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McSullivan
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Re: John White Sentence
John White ABSOLUTELY had every right defend his home and family. HOWEVER, as soon as he left his home with a gun, without first calling police, he crossed a line. As a person with a healthy respect for guns - you don't use them to "scare" people. You use them as a to kill. He should have called police and waited inside his house. I'm not saying that Cicciaro was an angel. John White left his home and shot him in the face. He killed him. 2-4 years is a laughable sentance.
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Deedlebugs
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Re: John White Sentence
Posted by lullabella
John White is a murderer. He had several choices all which could have prevented this horible tragedy. He could have called the police in the 25 minutes leading up to the kids even getting there, he could have stayed inside safely behind closed doors.
INSTEAD he chose to go to the end of his driveway with a loaded illegal handgun. Black, white, or purple the facts don't lie.
 ITA!
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| Posted 3/21/08 10:45 AM |
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tommy2
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Re: John White Sentence
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Do you really think that racial crimes and the KKK are only found in Alabama and not here? From what you wrote, I think you would be surprised to learn about the recent and not-so-recent history of hate organizations and crimes right here on our very own Long Island. I don't think we can ignore this history and how it may have been a factor in this very tragic case.
Burning Cross Left at Home of Interracial Couple on L.I.
Anyone remember the proposed KKK rally at Smithhaven Mall in 1997?
KKK on Long Island
Nazi organization in Yaphank
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I said KIDS not ADULTS. Obviously there are hate groups everywhere you go. But know one on Long Island is Lynching people. You think we can ignore the racial history on Long Island.
Its 2008 these kids embrace the hip hop culture. Have you been to the mall lately?
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| Posted 3/21/08 10:50 AM |
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Tumbalina
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Re: John White Sentence
Posted by Beth1210
no I don't agree- regardless of what this kid and his friends were doing- they were unarmed and to shot unarmed person on your lawn is murder
that's what the police are for-
VERY WELL SAID!
A grown man shot a kid. He should be ashamed of himself.
I haven't followed the story too closely, and this wouldn't change my mind but I am just curious, was the gun licensed?
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| Posted 3/21/08 10:52 AM |
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Re: John White Sentence
Let's hope none of "our" kids get beer muscles one day b/c then it would be ok if a grown man shot them when he could just lock the doors and call the cops instead???
I didn't say it would be ok. But I would hope my kid & his friends aren't stupid enough to go threaten someone.
From the father's reaction on the news the other day, I can see where the kid probably got his common sense.
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| Posted 3/21/08 10:57 AM |
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Re: John White Sentence
2-4 years is a laughable sentance.
That very well may be true...but a jury of his peers/our peers heard out the case and that's what they came up with as a just sentence. This is why serving jury duty is so important.
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| Posted 3/21/08 11:04 AM |
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kahlua716
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Re: John White Sentence
Posted by KateDevine
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Do I think the sentence was fair No. Do I think his sentencing leniency had to do with race....sorry but Yes. I bet if it was a Caucasian shooting an African American with those same exact circumstances the sentencing would have been much worse and the "Reverend" Al Sharpton would have raised bloody hell if the sentence was what White got.
Then you aren't familiar with Suffolk OR that part of LI. I grew up in MP, and can I tell you that we had ONE black family there when we were in high school. It isn't very diverse at all.
I don't get what you are saying 
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| Posted 3/21/08 11:18 AM |
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Faithx2
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Re: John White Sentence
Posted by lullabella
Posted by Ophelia
Posted by lullabella
John White is a murderer. He had several choices all which could have prevented this horible tragedy. He could have called the police in the 25 minutes leading up to the kids even getting there, he could have stayed inside safely behind closed doors.
INSTEAD he chose to go to the end of his driveway with a loaded illegal handgun. Black, white, or purple the facts don't lie.
and this is why he was charged with, and convicted of a crime.
manslaughter in the second degree. an appropriate charge and an appropriate conviction.
end of story.
Agreed but an inappropriate sentence IMO.
ITA!
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| Posted 3/21/08 11:24 AM |
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| Posted 3/21/08 11:32 AM |
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kahlua716
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Re: John White Sentence
NM...Someone already made the same point
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| Posted 3/21/08 11:35 AM |
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Tumbalina
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Re: John White Sentence
Posted by dita
Posted by Tumbalina
I haven't followed the story too closely, and this wouldn't change my mind but I am just curious, was the gun licensed?
The gun was his Grandfathers, a gift I believe.
He did not have a permit nor was it licensed.
  
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| Posted 3/21/08 11:49 AM |
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Kidsaplenty
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Re: John White Sentence
Posted by lullabella
John White is a murderer. He had several choices all which could have prevented this horible tragedy. He could have called the police in the 25 minutes leading up to the kids even getting there, he could have stayed inside safely behind closed doors.
And what would he have said? "Hey 911 operator, supposedly there are a group of teens coming to my house to kill my son." Do you think they would have sent anyone? Or would they have told him to call back when they actually got there.
My mother called the police because a group of drunk teens were brawling in the street. Do you know how long it took them to get there? 45 minutes.
ETA: When would it have been acceptable for him to get his gun? When they were pounding on the door trying to get in? Or when they actually entered his house?
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| Posted 3/21/08 11:55 AM |
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lullabella
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Re: John White Sentence
Posted by greeneyes361708
Posted by lullabella
John White is a murderer. He had several choices all which could have prevented this horible tragedy. He could have called the police in the 25 minutes leading up to the kids even getting there, he could have stayed inside safely behind closed doors.
And what would he have said? "Hey 911 operator, supposedly there are a group of teens coming to my house to kill my son." Do you think they would have sent anyone? Or would they have told him to call back when they actually got there.
My mother called the police because a group of drunk teens were brawling in the street. Do you know how long it took them to get there? 45 minutes.
ETA: When would it have been acceptable for him to get his gun? When they were pounding on the door trying to get in? Or when they actually entered his house?
Ok so then we shouldn't bother to call the police - just take matters into our own hands??? Come on, he had choices and he made the wrong ones. How anyone can justify what this guy did blows my mind.
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| Posted 3/21/08 12:01 PM |
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Candy Girl
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Re: John White Sentence
Posted by bomb-blast
Let's hope none of "our" kids get beer muscles one day b/c then it would be ok if a grown man shot them when he could just lock the doors and call the cops instead???
I didn't say it would be ok. But I would hope my kid & his friends aren't stupid enough to go threaten someone.
From the father's reaction on the news the other day, I can see where the kid probably got his common sense.
ITA. It's quite obvious how this kid was raised.
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| Posted 3/21/08 12:06 PM |
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Ophelia
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Re: John White Sentence
Posted by lullabella
Ok so then we shouldn't bother to call the police - just take matters into our own hands??? Come on, he had choices and he made the wrong ones. How anyone can justify what this guy did blows my mind.
NO ONE is saying that he shouldn't have called the police.
the point is simply this WHAT WOULD A LONGER SENTENCE accomplish?
rojeronononoono made a great point. find it and read it.
HE WAS CONVICTED of the crime has charged with. meaning he is being held accountable for the extent of his wrongdoing under the law.
while he was given a *lenient* sentence, it is still allowable under the law.
this man is NOT a serial KILLER. he didn't assassinate the deceased. he didn't plot out his death.
the deceases actions IN FRONT OF THE WEAPON contributed to his demise.
BELIEVE ME...all of you...you WANT this case found like this...you WANT the law at least PARTIALLY on your side...if you are ever confronted with it. and I pray you are not!
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| Posted 3/21/08 12:07 PM |
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newday21608
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Re: John White Sentence
i don't think that john white deserved a harsher crime. i think that the result of this case goes to the underlying issues of race and politics and equality in this country.. and it underscores and exemplifies all that Senator Obama was saying about the differing views of whites and blacks and how each group views race in this country..
i find it LAUGHABLE that so many whites think that a white man shooting at a black mob would have received more time than john white.. when white cops shooting at unarmed black men have walked away scott free for years. matter of fact.. bernard goetz shot unarmed black teens in the mid 90's and walked away scott free.. and there you have it a mob of black teens harassing and menacing a white man and he pulled out a gun and shot.. and served NO TIME.. and to make matters worse, he wasn't even ON his OWN property. he was in a subway..
i find it laughable that someone would think that only white adults are racist and that because white teens embrace the hip hop culture at their local mall that therefore there is no racism.. uh.. where do white adults come from? they come from white teens.. oh and that there are no neonazi, racist organizations on long island in 2008.. yeah sure..
i find it laughable that folks would seriously sit and say that if a mob of teens came to their house in the middle of the night demanding their child come outside so he can be beat that they'd sit in their house and wait on the police.. that right there is beyond laughable it is HYSTERICAL.. i wish i WOULD sit in my house and wait for the police when someone is calling my child outside to be beaten by a MOB.. not one or even two but a MOB..
the only injustice in this is that 1. a family is ruined because the head of that family was doing what he is charged to do.. protect his family 2. a family is ruined because a son was not taught u don't go to people's houses at night to pull kids out of bed to fight.. 3. two families were ruined because one little fast pants girl decided to tell a lie.. hmm where is HER culpability in all of this.. and 4. the rest of that mob was not charged or even addressed outside of the judge when she rendered her decision..
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| Posted 3/21/08 12:14 PM |
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lullabella
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Re: John White Sentence
Posted by Ophelia
Posted by lullabella
Ok so then we shouldn't bother to call the police - just take matters into our own hands??? Come on, he had choices and he made the wrong ones. How anyone can justify what this guy did blows my mind.
NO ONE is saying that he shouldn't have called the police.
the point is simply this WHAT WOULD A LONGER SENTENCE accomplish?
rojeronononoono made a great point. find it and read it.
HE WAS CONVICTED of the crime has charged with. meaning he is being held accountable for the extent of his wrongdoing under the law.
while he was given a *lenient* sentence, it is still allowable under the law.
this man is NOT a serial KILLER. he didn't assassinate the deceased. he didn't plot out his death.
the deceases actions IN FRONT OF THE WEAPON contributed to his demise.
BELIEVE ME...all of you...you WANT this case found like this...you WANT the law at least PARTIALLY on your side...if you are ever confronted with it. and I pray you are not!
Um I was responded to greeneyes quote, why don't you read that. 
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| Posted 3/21/08 12:21 PM |
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lullabella
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Re: John White Sentence
Posted by lullabella
Posted by Ophelia
Posted by lullabella
Ok so then we shouldn't bother to call the police - just take matters into our own hands??? Come on, he had choices and he made the wrong ones. How anyone can justify what this guy did blows my mind.
NO ONE is saying that he shouldn't have called the police.
the point is simply this WHAT WOULD A LONGER SENTENCE accomplish?
rojeronononoono made a great point. find it and read it.
HE WAS CONVICTED of the crime has charged with. meaning he is being held accountable for the extent of his wrongdoing under the law.
while he was given a *lenient* sentence, it is still allowable under the law.
this man is NOT a serial KILLER. he didn't assassinate the deceased. he didn't plot out his death.
the deceases actions IN FRONT OF THE WEAPON contributed to his demise.
BELIEVE ME...all of you...you WANT this case found like this...you WANT the law at least PARTIALLY on your side...if you are ever confronted with it. and I pray you are not!
I was responded to greeneyes quote, why don't you read that. She did say what would calling the police do.
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Ophelia
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Re: John White Sentence
Posted by lullabella
Um I was responded to greeneyes quote, why don't you read that.
um...sorry. I didn't realize we could only speak when spoken to.
and really..the *rolleyes* unnecessary. I conduct myself as an adult.
ETA: since we are on the subject of reading, my comments are regarding the sentence length. not calling the police. for clarity.
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Bxgell2
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Re: John White Sentence
I completely understand the sentance - it would be difficult in a situation like this to prove intent, particularly because of the mitigating circumstances. You can't get away with killing someone in this country, but your sentence may be lighter if the prosecutor fails to prove you acted with intent, or you prove that you acted in the heat of the moment, or recklessly.
I'm not validating what he did, but as a parent, if a mob of teenagers were standing outside my home making religious slurs against my daughter, and I truly felt my life, or the life of my daughter was in danger, I honestly do not know what I would do. This is exactly why the law recognizes "heat of the moment" exceptions, which allow for downgrading of sentences.
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Kidsaplenty
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Re: John White Sentence
Posted by lullabella
I was responded to greeneyes quote, why don't you read that. She did say what would calling the police do.
I didn't say the police wouldn't do anything. I asked if you believed they would have sent someone right over if he called and said that a group of teens were supposedly coming to his house to beat his son. Do you think they would have, or would they have told him to call back if they actually showed up.
The point is, he was given a sentence fitting the crime IMO. It was a tragic accident. John White didn't intend to kill anyone that night and unfortunately, it happened. He didn't deserve 20 years in jail. He made a bad judgement call. I don't think he's a real danger to society.
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| Posted 3/21/08 12:30 PM |
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lullabella
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Re: John White Sentence
Posted by Ophelia
Posted by lullabella
Um I was responded to greeneyes quote, why don't you read that.
um...sorry. I didn't realize we could only speak when spoken to.
and really..the *rolleyes* unnecessary. I conduct myself as an adult.
ETA: since we are on the subject of reading, my comments are regarding the sentence length. not calling the police. for clarity.
Your points are valid but so are alot of other peoples. The whole situation is sad all around. I just know if he shot my son, 2 years would not be enough. How would you feel if it were your son?
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| Posted 3/21/08 12:31 PM |
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Ophelia
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Re: John White Sentence
Posted by lullabella
Your points are valid but so are alot of other peoples. The whole situation is sad all around. I just know if he shot my son, 2 years would not be enough. How would you feel if it were your son?
as i already said earlier...I am sure I would feel like 2 years was NOT enough...not when my son is taken away from me...NOTHING would be enough.
but we do not sentence people based on emotion. we don't want that. we want people sentenced on FACTS.
we are not supposed to be about vengence. we don't want to be.
I understand why people would be upset. but that doesn't make punishing this family further technically right
and there was a hate crime linked to this case in Port Jefferson yesterday. the White family's lives are being threatened on a daily basis???
hasn't this whole thing been destructive enough???
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| Posted 3/21/08 12:37 PM |
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Goobster
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Re: John White Sentence
Posted by greeneyes361708
The point is, he was given a sentence fitting the crime IMO. It was a tragic accident. John White didn't intend to kill anyone that night and unfortunately, it happened. He didn't deserve 20 years in jail. He made a bad judgement call. I don't think he's a real danger to society.
If he didn't intend to use the weapon or kill anyone, why even have loaded weapons (in more than one location in his home)?
What if John White now walks around with even MORE of a "fear" of being attacked (esp after this incident) and makes a bad judgement again?
He has talked about his issues growing up w/ racial bias,issues, etc. And that obviously played into how he reacted in this situation. Whose to say he won't make a "bad judgement" again? I am sure having this in your history and having a lot of people angry at you for killing their friend/son/neighbor, etc, won't help Mr. White when he already had a lot of racial tension issues in his past that have shaped who he has become today...
I personally think he has a lot of issues that run deeper than this sad situation and that is WHY he had a house full of weapons and believed a group of young white men automatically = a lynch mob. I think he IS a danger to society since he is so sensitive to anything he perceives as racially charged.
Why can't they just be a group of punky kids your son is having trouble with (as many kids do)?
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