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Re: John White Sentence
Posted by Ik1
I think they should have giving him more than 2 to 4 years in prison. I am sorry you do not pull a gun out and point it at someone and the gun is loaded and its safety is off and then tell me that it accidently went off. I kid died because he was being a kid. Are you telling me you never fought with kids when you were a kid. If it was you kid who got shot would you think 2-4 years is enough time. The parents could not have acted like adults and called the cops or grab there kid and throw him in there house. Give me a break.
I agree that the parents could have hidden their son, Aaron White, in the house. However, I can honestly say that this was not just kids being kids. I never went with a group of people to someone else's house threatening to kill them or yelling the N word. The guys I knew growing up didn't do that either. There was fault all around and I wish that someone was not killed.
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When I lived in Jackson hieghts when I was a kid I saw a lot of things go down and I saw crazy kids do similar stuff. I personally think that the father got so angry and upset that this boy was saying the things he was saying and thats why all this went down. I am not saying these kids are not th blame for something, but when your 17 years old you are stupid and do stupid stuff, but I still can not get pass the fact that this boy is dead.
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Re: John White Sentence
I wish people would stop saying Mr. White murdered Danny, because he did not. It was an accident. Like someone said before, the kid had absolutely no fear of a loaded weapon, was hurling curses and the N-word at the family and SLAPPED THE GUN out of his face.
Al Sharpton stood by Mr. White's side because that is his job. He is an advocate for African-Americans. He speaks up for them when they are afraid or simply can not speak up for themselves. Is he a jerk? Sometimes. Does he go to far? Sometimes, but he is an asset to the African American community. I do think it is doubtful that he had any impact on the light sentence unless he was in cahoots with the judge. I doubt the judge felt pressured by Sharpton, it's his job to make those decisions and he did it. I think he did it well.
And what if we took race out of the situation entirely. What if it was a white teenage bully and a white protective father? The white teenager was on the white father's property threatening to beat his son's a ss. He was clearly intoxicated and had a mob with him. The same circumstances followed. What do you think the outcome would be then?
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Re: John White Sentence
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I wish people would stop saying Mr. White murdered Danny, because he did not. It was an accident. Like someone said before, the kid had absolutely no fear of a loaded weapon, was hurling curses and the N-word at the family and SLAPPED THE GUN out of his face.
Al Sharpton stood by Mr. White's side because that is his job. He is an advocate for African-Americans. He speaks up for them when they are afraid or simply can not speak up for themselves. Is he a jerk? Sometimes. Does he go to far? Sometimes, but he is an asset to the African American community. I do think it is doubtful that he had any impact on the light sentence unless he was in cahoots with the judge. I doubt the judge felt pressured by Sharpton, it's his job to make those decisions and he did it. I think he did it well.
And what if we took race out of the situation entirely. What if it was a white teenage bully and a white protective father? The white teenager was on the white father's property threatening to beat his son's a ss. He was clearly intoxicated and had a mob with him. The same circumstances followed. What do you think the outcome would be then?
I would like to know what people think would happen if race were not involved at all. I'm not sure you can really remove race from this but we can try. In a way I think that there would be a stricter sentence. For some reason, the idea of self defense and mitigating circumstances is easier to imagine in a case where there were 2 different races involved. That leads to the next question, if it were a bunch of black kids going to another black kid's house would that be any different?
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Re: John White Sentence
John White's judgement was poor and he cost a young man his life. He caused endless grief to a family.
But I don't think he is a danger to anyone and I don't know what a longer sentence would have done for him. It certainly won't make his victim come back to life. It won't make the family grieve any less. It won't 'rehabilitate' him.
It is what it is. He will live with the horror of knowing that he took a human life for the rest of his years.
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everyone keeps saying this was kids acting stupid. Has no one read the papers lately, or watched the news. Kids do kill. Just because you are 17 years old does not mean you will not kill another person. Unfortunatly, it happens all the time. Their age has nothing to do with this. They, in a mob mentality, went on someones property to do harm to a person on that property. This man did not go out on the streets with the intent of killing a teenager that night. They came to his house, threatening his son. I honestly do not see the problem with him protecting his family. I would do the same. The fact that the gun was loaded, and the safety was off, well, why not? Isn't that the purpose of having a gun for protection. If it is unloaded, I don't how you could protect your family.
This is very sad for both families. I do feel for the family that lost their son.
The answer for those on how I would feel if it were my child that got killed. The only answer I have to that is I would hope that I will teach my child not to go around threatening people, no matter their color, religion, etc. It is not acceptable behavior. Does that behavior warrant death, no, but unfortunatly that may be a consequence.
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Posted by Beth1210
no I don't agree- regardless of what this kid and his friends were doing- they were unarmed and to shot unarmed person on your lawn is murder
that's what the police are for-
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Re: John White Sentence
Posted by Acerone
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He MURDERED someone. If they were both of the same race the sentence would've been much more severe, IMHO.
Not asking you in particular...but does anyone think the same outcome would have come about if the races were flipped? Caucasian father defending his child from a mob of African American kids?
My dad said the same thing today.. He said if it were flipped the father would have been sentenced only for probation..
I disagree...if it were flipped, I think the sentence would've been more harsh and it would've been made into even MORE of a racial thing by Rev. Al.
If it were my child that was shot, I would feel the same way I do now, that the sentence does not fit the crime.
How can you say he didn't intend to shoot someone if the safety was off?
I understand that he is remorseful, but he still killed someone. Do I feel bad for his family as well, YES I do.
I guess some of the PP are right though, a longer sentence wouldn't solve anything.
The whole situation is sad and confusing.
More than anything else- I would say that this case is proof we need stronger gun control laws. 
ETA: The sentence for Manslaughter- which he was convicted of, is normally longer than 2-4 years, correct?
If so, then the punishment doesn't fit the crime.
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Re: John White Sentence
Posted by Ik1
but when your 17 years old you are stupid and do stupid stuff, .
I don't agree with that. Just because they are 17 doesn't give them the right to threaten people etc etc.
IMO kids will be kids' is not an excuse... People need to teach 'kids' more responsibility these days. It's one thing to toilet paper someone's yard... It's another to threaten violence in a mob mentality..
In this case: because those kids were acting that way, indirectly, a boy is dead.
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Re: John White Sentence
he deserves a lot more than 2-4 years! He shot a KID in the face for goodness sake. It seems from the news reports, his son is the one who started this whole thing. I personally think the wife is the one who started pulling the race card by using the term "lynch mob" hoping it would get her husband off. This is a terrible thing that happened and I can't believe this POS only got 2 years. if it were my son who was shot, I would have a hard time NOT retaliating. Obviously the law did absolutely nothing for this poor family who lost thier son in a horrible way. THis guy should be scared for his life and if something happens to him, oh well. He murdered a kid.
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It is so tragic, the whole thing, it really is.
This happened in MY hometown, where I grew up, and honestly, I think the sentence WAS fair. He was a good citizen and he was trying to protect his family. The kids were not 10 years olds, they were threatening the White family. You don't think he has to live with this for the rest of his life? He was a good man who has to live with the fact that he shot someone else's child, THAT is punishment as well!!
As someone who works in the legal field, it was a little surprising for him to only get 2-4 years in Suffolk, their trials are notoriously tough.
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Re: John White Sentence
Posted by krissy888
he deserves a lot more than 2-4 years! He shot a KID in the face for goodness sake. It seems from the news reports, his son is the one who started this whole thing. I personally think the wife is the one who started pulling the race card by using the term "lynch mob" hoping it would get her husband off. This is a terrible thing that happened and I can't believe this POS only got 2 years. if it were my son who was shot, I would have a hard time NOT retaliating. Obviously the law did absolutely nothing for this poor family who lost thier son in a horrible way. THis guy should be scared for his life and if something happens to him, oh well. He murdered a kid.
I'm curious, where in the news reports does it say this was started by aaron white?
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Would you want to be the parent of a murdered child b/c some grown man was trying to protect his child from your unarmed child?
Kiids do get in very mean, nasty fights and an adult should KNOW better about the RIGHT thing to do (call the cops and let them handle it).
I sure hope none of "our" children get into any mean, nasty fights ...if you think another adult has the right to try to bully or threaten them with a gun to "teach them a lesson".
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Re: John White Sentence
Posted by Goobster
Would you want to be the parent of a murdered child b/c some grown man was trying to protect his child from your unarmed child?
Kiids do get in very mean, nasty fights and an adult should KNOW better about the RIGHT thing to do (call the cops and let them handle it).
I sure hope none of "our" children get into any mean, nasty fights ...if you think another adult has the right to try to bully or threaten them with a gun to "teach them a lesson".
ITA! seriously- I am shocked by some of the responses
2 to 4 years for killing an unarmed boy- if this was the NYPD shooting an unarmed 17 year old- there would be riots
2 to 4 is really 18 months to 3 years with good behavior - and some people get more then that for assault- with one dying
justice was NOT served at all here- shocking for suffolk
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Re: John White Sentence
Posted by Beth1210
2 to 4 years for killing an unarmed boy- if this was the NYPD shooting an unarmed 17 year old- there would be riots
And you can bet your arse that Big Al Sharpton would be at the head of those riots if it was a black boy shot
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Do I think the sentence was fair No. Do I think his sentencing leniency had to do with race....sorry but Yes. I bet if it was a Caucasian shooting an African American with those same exact circumstances the sentencing would have been much worse and the "Reverend" Al Sharpton would have raised bloody hell if the sentence was what White got.
Do I think White is a bad man...no however I do think he mad a very bad decision that cost a kid his life. Do I think Ciccero was innocent...hell no but he didn't deserve his life to be taken.
The bottom line you shoot an unarmed kid on your property with an unregistered gun (against the law to being with) without calling the police first to let them handle it. That is wrong...I don't care what race you are.
To the poster who said that they read somewhere it's entirely different..you don't know how the police are unless you walk in a black mans shoes...I persoanlly think that is a cop out.
I'm not black or caucasian...I'm hispanic. I didn't grow up in a tony suburb on LI...I grew up on the Lower East Side way before it was considered trendy. I was taught to call the cops first if I ever was in danger...not to take the situation in my own hands. Yes there are crooked cops, cops that don't care etc but those are the minority not the majority. If in fact Mr. White's son got a message beforehand and felt that threatened and had enough time to inform his father and his father had enough time to get a gun, load it take the safety off etc then he had enough time to call the cops and tell them he was being harassed....bottom line. My mom lives in Suffolk county and has had to call the cops for something alot less serious than harrasement and they were at her door in less than 5 minutes. And she lives in Bay Shore....for some not considered the "best" part of LI.
So No I think Mr. White deserves a stiffer sentence. Giving him such a light sentence IMO is just paving a path for others to take similar situations in their own hands and expect a light sentence.
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I said it earlier and I will say it again, I do not buy the kids will be kids thing. In my entire life, regardless of what age I was, neither I nor any of my friends would have shown up as a group on someone's front lawn threatening them and shouting racial slurs. That is one part of this discussion I disagree with.
Let's say there was no killing but you found out your child did that. What would you do? I'd be seeking anger management for my kid and he would not be allowed to see the friends he was with for a long time.
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Re: John White Sentence
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Do I think the sentence was fair No. Do I think his sentencing leniency had to do with race....sorry but Yes. I bet if it was a Caucasian shooting an African American with those same exact circumstances the sentencing would have been much worse and the "Reverend" Al Sharpton would have raised bloody hell if the sentence was what White got.
Then you aren't familiar with Suffolk OR that part of LI. I grew up in MP, and can I tell you that we had ONE black family there when we were in high school. It isn't very diverse at all.
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so who are people saying pulled the race card? if this testimony is true, it appears that had Cicciaro not be killed, he would have been charged with a hate crime had they called the police.
black person + white mob= too much terrible history to not take it seriously.
To much history Black/White. Where do we live in the deep south waving confederate flages? when's the last time you heard of a bunch of white KIDS threatening a black family in their home? This is Long Island not Alabama. And what's with the lynch mob thing? Its 2008 not 1908. Who the hell is lynching people.
And to the people who claim i dont know what i'd do if a bunch of KIDs were outside my house threatening my family. Its easy you stay inside and call the cops. You don't bring out an illegal loaded handgun and start waving it around. Kids coming to your house threatening to beat up your kid is more common then you think. Thank God the majority of people do the right thing, and dont go bringing a gun into it.
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Re: John White Sentence
Posted by Beth1210
Posted by Goobster
Would you want to be the parent of a murdered child b/c some grown man was trying to protect his child from your unarmed child?
Kiids do get in very mean, nasty fights and an adult should KNOW better about the RIGHT thing to do (call the cops and let them handle it).
I sure hope none of "our" children get into any mean, nasty fights ...if you think another adult has the right to try to bully or threaten them with a gun to "teach them a lesson".
ITA! seriously- I am shocked by some of the responses
2 to 4 years for killing an unarmed boy- if this was the NYPD shooting an unarmed 17 year old- there would be riots
2 to 4 is really 18 months to 3 years with good behavior - and some people get more then that for assault- with one dying
justice was NOT served at all here- shocking for suffolk
I agree..plus the gun was NOT licensed.
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Do I think the sentence was fair No. Do I think his sentencing leniency had to do with race....sorry but Yes. I bet if it was a Caucasian shooting an African American with those same exact circumstances the sentencing would have been much worse and the "Reverend" Al Sharpton would have raised bloody hell if the sentence was what White got.
Then you aren't familiar with Suffolk OR that part of LI. I grew up in MP, and can I tell you that we had ONE black family there when we were in high school. It isn't very diverse at all.
I don't think that her post and opinion was dependent on the makeup of the population of Miller Place. Maybe I am missing something. I agree that AS would have raised hell if a white man got that kind of sentence in the shooting of a black kid.
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so who are people saying pulled the race card? if this testimony is true, it appears that had Cicciaro not be killed, he would have been charged with a hate crime had they called the police.
black person + white mob= too much terrible history to not take it seriously.
To much history Black/White. Where do we live in the deep south waving confederate flages? when's the last time you heard of a bunch of white KIDS threatening a black family in their home? This is Long Island not Alabama. And what's with the lynch mob thing? Its 2008 not 1908. Who the hell is lynching people.
And to the people who claim i dont know what i'd do if a bunch of KIDs were outside my house threatening my family. Its easy you stay inside and call the cops. You don't bring out an illegal loaded handgun and start waving it around. Kids coming to your house threatening to beat up your kid is more common then you think. Thank God the majority of people do the right thing, and dont go bringing a gun into it.
I totally agree with this. Kids come to your house with threats: you call the police. As for the police not responding because it was a black family...when did they get picture phones? You can tell someones race over the phone now?
I think the sentence was wrong. 2-4 years?? The Cicceros will NEVER get their son back.
White shot a teenager that was unarmed. Accident or not he never should have left his home with a gun. Lock your doors and call the police. Had that happened there would be nothing to debate.
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Do I think the sentence was fair No. Do I think his sentencing leniency had to do with race....sorry but Yes. I bet if it was a Caucasian shooting an African American with those same exact circumstances the sentencing would have been much worse and the "Reverend" Al Sharpton would have raised bloody hell if the sentence was what White got.
Then you aren't familiar with Suffolk OR that part of LI. I grew up in MP, and can I tell you that we had ONE black family there when we were in high school. It isn't very diverse at all.
I don't think that her post and opinion was dependent on the makeup of the population of Miller Place. Maybe I am missing something. I agree that AS would have raised hell if a white man got that kind of sentence in the shooting of a black kid.
No my post isn't dependent on the makeup of the population on MP. I'm not familiar with alot of parts of LI but Nikki is right...there are no picture phones to tell 911 if you are black or white. Even if you are the only black or minority family in a primarily Caucasian neighborhood how are the cops to know that unless they show up when u call...KWIM? It's not like 911 tells them your race. And color me nieve but I really believe that a majority of law enforcement are there to job their job....not discrimate etc. The bottom line is that White took the law into his own hands killing a boy with an ILLEGAL firearm. IMO he just got a slap on the wrist for killing an unarmed man with an ILLEGAL gun...where is the justice in that?
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Re: John White Sentence
Posted by tommy2
so who are people saying pulled the race card? if this testimony is true, it appears that had Cicciaro not be killed, he would have been charged with a hate crime had they called the police.
black person + white mob= too much terrible history to not take it seriously.
To much history Black/White. Where do we live in the deep south waving confederate flages? when's the last time you heard of a bunch of white KIDS threatening a black family in their home? This is Long Island not Alabama. And what's with the lynch mob thing? Its 2008 not 1908. Who the hell is lynching people.
And to the people who claim i dont know what i'd do if a bunch of KIDs were outside my house threatening my family. Its easy you stay inside and call the cops. You don't bring out an illegal loaded handgun and start waving it around. Kids coming to your house threatening to beat up your kid is more common then you think. Thank God the majority of people do the right thing, and dont go bringing a gun into it.
um, are you kidding me? there was just a thread the other day about people seeing more and more confederate flags on LI.
and have you ever heard of Yusef Hawkins...how about the work of Joey Fama?
this whole thread is ridiculous. this is not about quid pro quo. this is not about any kind of "he should get this b/c someone else would have gotten that"
EVERY SINGLE case should be taken for its INDIVIDUAL merits..NOT compared to any other crime when it comes to guilt.
NO ONE KNOWS how much time a white man would have gotten, so why don't we just stop all the arm chair judging.
The MAN was CHARGED with manslaughter. The DA didn't feel he was more culpable than that.and he was convicted of the crimes he was charged with..
what more do you want? will 2 more years for this man to serve really make you feel better??? and if so, why? b/c you feel things should be "equal" at face value? b/c it wouldn't really be equal. at all.
ETA: Al Sharpton is an a$$$$$$$hole. he is an opportunist and a paraiah. but don't let his involvment in this case sway you....it is still TRAGIC. and we all know the "good" Rev. only gets involved when there is a perceived benefit to him.
NO ONE has won in this case.
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