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Re: John White Sentence
Posted by Goobster
And what amazes me is it is a "hate crime" to call someone a WORD, a name, based on their race/religion, etc, but it is ok to shoot someone b/c you deem a word they call you as an attack?
To me they are very contradictory. We have the right to own weapons and protect ourself, according to some of you, but not the right to call someone a "nasty" word, name b/c that deems we are out to seriously harm them?
Very contradictory if you ask me.
Maybe the "lynch" mob felt the need top protect themselves if they thought Aaron had harmed/threatened their friend, and they protected themselves with words. That's not ok, but it's ok for Mr. White to protect himself, his family with a deadly weapon?
I don't even know what to say to this. I am befuddled, to say the least.
how is caling someone a racial epithet "protecting" you from anything?
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Re: John White Sentence
Posted by Goobster
Maybe the "lynch" mob felt the need top protect themselves if they thought Aaron had harmed/threatened their friend, and they protected themselves with words. That's not ok, but it's ok for Mr. White to protect himself, his family with a deadly weapon?
How is calling someone a racial slur protecting yourself?
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Re: John White Sentence
Posted by Ophelia
Posted by Goobster
And what amazes me is it is a "hate crime" to call someone a WORD, a name, based on their race/religion, etc, but it is ok to shoot someone b/c you deem a word they call you as an attack?
To me they are very contradictory. We have the right to own weapons and protect ourself, according to some of you, but not the right to call someone a "nasty" word, name b/c that deems we are out to seriously harm them?
Very contradictory if you ask me.
Maybe the "lynch" mob felt the need top protect themselves if they thought Aaron had harmed/threatened their friend, and they protected themselves with words. That's not ok, but it's ok for Mr. White to protect himself, his family with a deadly weapon?
I don't even know what to say to this. I am befuddled, to say the least.
how is caling someone a racial epithet "protecting" you from anything?
People say NASTY things. How many of us can say we have NEVER been called something very derogatory, nasty, maybe racial, sexist, etc?
Words are powerful, but nothing is more powerful than a loaded gun.
Bottom line.
ETA- I don't mean a racial slur would protect you specifically. But people say "things" whatever they may be, all the time, to protect, defend etc. So to me the racial term here is not the sole basis for the angry mob of teens.
Message edited 3/21/2008 1:19:11 PM.
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HeathKernandez
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Re: John White Sentence
Posted by Goobster
Posted by Ophelia
Posted by Goobster
If Aaron was Italian, and they were screaming Italian slurs at him, would that mean they were a lynch mob?
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it certainly would be considered a hate crime.
and your *logic* about intent is severely flawed. perhaps we should send a copy of this thread to the Supreme Court.
I hope it would help sway their decision. b/c if intent is implied in anyone that possesses a handgun...they should be COMPLETELY outlawed.
And what amazes me is it is a "hate crime" to call someone a WORD, a name, based on their race/religion, etc, but it is ok to shoot someone b/c you deem a word they call you as an attack?
To me they are very contradictory. We have the right to own weapons and protect ourself, according to some of you, but not the right to call someone a "nasty" word, name b/c that deems we are out to seriously harm them?
Very contradictory if you ask me.
Maybe the "lynch" mob felt the need top protect themselves if they thought Aaron had harmed/threatened their friend, and they protected themselves with words. That's not ok, but it's ok for Mr. White to protect himself, his family with a deadly weapon?
Hate crimes (also known as bias motivated crimes) occur when a perpetrator targets a victim because of his or her membership in a certain social group, usually defined by race, religion, sexual orientation, disability, ethnicity, nationality, age, gender, gender identity, or political affiliation
a group of drunk, angry teenagers shouting racial epithets , threatening to kill would fall under that definition, no?
So yes. It is a "hate crime" to call someone a WORD, a name, based on their race/religion, etc
and YES... We have the right to own weapons and protect ourself.
NO...it is NOT ok to shoot someone b/c you deem a word they call you as an attack/... which is why he was convicted and SENTENCED.
he did NOT go free. If he went free,*I* would be a little more shocked and outraged.
Message edited 3/21/2008 1:19:02 PM.
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Porrruss
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Re: John White Sentence
Posted by Goobster
Posted by Porrruss
So according to your *logic* all gun owners are future murderers?
Also, the basic definition of a lynch mob is what occurred on the White's property- a mob of whites screaming racial epithets with the intent to hurt a black man.
Not future murderers, but if you own a gun and don't plan to EVER use it to protect yourself, why own it?
Unless you are a police officer who needs a gun to work, why would a regular citizen own one if not to possibly use it one day to "protect" himself, his family from harm?
If I owned a gun, had it on my property, it would certainly be b/c I wanted it to protect myself if I saw my family/self was in danger, whether that would result in simply injury or death.
I never said anyone has the intent to murder. But I would think if you owned loaded weapons, and waved them around in a time of "danger" that you likely plan to at least use them to injure whomever you see at a threat.
I don't understand what you mean? I would venture to guess that MOST people who own a gun solely for protection don't plan to use it. But they own it for protection in CASE they ever need it.
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Goobster
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Re: John White Sentence
Posted by Porrruss
Posted by Goobster
Posted by Porrruss
So according to your *logic* all gun owners are future murderers?
Also, the basic definition of a lynch mob is what occurred on the White's property- a mob of whites screaming racial epithets with the intent to hurt a black man.
Not future murderers, but if you own a gun and don't plan to EVER use it to protect yourself, why own it?
Unless you are a police officer who needs a gun to work, why would a regular citizen own one if not to possibly use it one day to "protect" himself, his family from harm?
If I owned a gun, had it on my property, it would certainly be b/c I wanted it to protect myself if I saw my family/self was in danger, whether that would result in simply injury or death.
I never said anyone has the intent to murder. But I would think if you owned loaded weapons, and waved them around in a time of "danger" that you likely plan to at least use them to injure whomever you see at a threat.
I don't understand what you mean? I would venture to guess that MOST people who own a gun solely for protection don't plan to use it. But they own it for protection in CASE they ever need it.
right, so they own the gun b/c they INTEND to use it IF they feel they are in a high risk, threatening situation. Exactly my point.
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HeathKernandez
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Re: John White Sentence
Posted by Goobster
Posted by Porrruss
Posted by Goobster
Posted by Porrruss
So according to your *logic* all gun owners are future murderers?
Also, the basic definition of a lynch mob is what occurred on the White's property- a mob of whites screaming racial epithets with the intent to hurt a black man.
Not future murderers, but if you own a gun and don't plan to EVER use it to protect yourself, why own it?
Unless you are a police officer who needs a gun to work, why would a regular citizen own one if not to possibly use it one day to "protect" himself, his family from harm?
If I owned a gun, had it on my property, it would certainly be b/c I wanted it to protect myself if I saw my family/self was in danger, whether that would result in simply injury or death.
I never said anyone has the intent to murder. But I would think if you owned loaded weapons, and waved them around in a time of "danger" that you likely plan to at least use them to injure whomever you see at a threat.
I don't understand what you mean? I would venture to guess that MOST people who own a gun solely for protection don't plan to use it. But they own it for protection in CASE they ever need it.
right, so they own the gun b/c they INTEND to use it IF they feel they are in a high risk, threatening situation. Exactly my point.
...and they have the right to do that...
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Re: John White Sentence
Posted by carolinep24
he did NOT go free. If he went free,*I* would be a little more shocked and outraged.
Um..he's out on bail to spend Easter with his family. Not the same scenario for the Cicciaro family.
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Porrruss
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Re: John White Sentence
Posted by Goobster
Posted by Ophelia
Posted by Goobster
And what amazes me is it is a "hate crime" to call someone a WORD, a name, based on their race/religion, etc, but it is ok to shoot someone b/c you deem a word they call you as an attack?
To me they are very contradictory. We have the right to own weapons and protect ourself, according to some of you, but not the right to call someone a "nasty" word, name b/c that deems we are out to seriously harm them?
Very contradictory if you ask me.
Maybe the "lynch" mob felt the need top protect themselves if they thought Aaron had harmed/threatened their friend, and they protected themselves with words. That's not ok, but it's ok for Mr. White to protect himself, his family with a deadly weapon?
I don't even know what to say to this. I am befuddled, to say the least.
how is caling someone a racial epithet "protecting" you from anything?
People say NASTY things. How many of us can say we have NEVER been called something very derogatory, nasty, maybe racial, sexist, etc?
Words are powerful, but nothing is more powerful than a loaded gun.
Bottom line.
ETA- I don't mean a racial slur would protect you specifically. But people say "things" whatever they may be, all the time, to protect, defend etc. So to me the racial term here is not the sole basis for the angry mob of teens.
OMFG- its not like they said a few words and were on their merry way! They WENT to this kid's house, TOLD him they were going to KILL him. Called his father a "N" and threatened to kill him.
WTH people?! THIS is why teenagers are so self entitled these days..... no one expects them to control themselves and act like responsible citizens........
I would be HORRIFIED if my child behaved like those animals did.....
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Porrruss
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Re: John White Sentence
Posted by Goobster
right, so they own the gun b/c they INTEND to use it IF they feel they are in a high risk, threatening situation. Exactly my point.
OK, I want you to tell me- are you saying that by owning a gun, it gives someone intent to kill someone? That ALL cases of gun fatalities should carry the murder charge because all owners have *intent*?
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Goobster
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Re: John White Sentence
Posted by Porrruss
[OMFG- its not like they said a few words and were on their merry way! They WENT to this kid's house, TOLD him they were going to KILL him. Called his father a "N" and threatened to kill him.
WTH people?! THIS is why teenagers are so self entitled these days..... no one expects them to control themselves and act like responsible citizens........
I would be HORRIFIED if my child behaved like those animals did.....
And I woudl be hoffified if my GROWN father took matters into his own hands instead of calling THE POLICE, if they were such a threat.
He had abotu a half hour to do THAT. He refused.
THAT is why Mr. White is guilty of way more than simply "protecting" his family.
WRONG, bottom line. THey weren't IN HIS HOUSE. He had time and the safety of his doors and windows. He made a choice that was foolish and based on his own issues in his past, etc.
Message edited 3/21/2008 1:24:37 PM.
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Ophelia
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Re: John White Sentence
I have NEVER. EVER. in my ENTIRE LIFE. in ANY ARGUMENT I have EVER been in (and I am sure you can imagine how few and far between they are  ) EVERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR called ANYONE a racial slur.
EVER.
and if I EVER should have and my father found out...he would have beaten me...BEATEN me.
b/c it is the LOWEST place you can go.
call me a b1tch.
but don't you DARE call me a white b1tch.
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Porrruss
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Re: John White Sentence
Of course he should be punished- but those "children " should hold responsibility as well.
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Ophelia
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Re: John White Sentence
Posted by Porrruss
Posted by Goobster
right, so they own the gun b/c they INTEND to use it IF they feel they are in a high risk, threatening situation. Exactly my point.
OK, I want you to tell me- are you saying that by owning a gun, it gives someone intent to kill someone? That ALL cases of gun fatalities should carry the murder charge because all owners have *intent*?
totally. I am loving this. off to the Supreme Court we go.
bye bye Baretta 
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Goobster
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Re: John White Sentence
Posted by Porrruss
Posted by Goobster
right, so they own the gun b/c they INTEND to use it IF they feel they are in a high risk, threatening situation. Exactly my point.
OK, I want you to tell me- are you saying that by owning a gun, it gives someone intent to kill someone? That ALL cases of gun fatalities should carry the murder charge because all owners have *intent*?
Well every state is different so I can't comment on each state.
But I have heard many cases where people were defending themselves IN THEIR HOME from intruders and THE homeowners were WRONG by a court of law to use deadly force.
In this case, he was not IN HIS HOME, the "mob" was not IN HIS HOME. He made a choice, when he could have made other choices.
If someone is in your home, and your home IS your safety, then you have no other choice but to defned yourself.
I am not saying I am against or for weapons usage. I am saying that is THIS case, he could have made another choic but this is the CHOICE he made and I personaly believe he should pay with a lot longer than 2-4 yrs.
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Re: John White Sentence
Posted by Porrruss
OMFG- its not like they said a few words and were on their merry way! They WENT to this kid's house, TOLD him they were going to KILL him. Called his father a "N" and threatened to kill him.
WTH people?! THIS is why teenagers are so self entitled these days..... no one expects them to control themselves and act like responsible citizens........
I would be HORRIFIED if my child behaved like those animals did.....
I am not saying this group of teens were angels by far. ANd I agree with your statement of self entitled, I totally agree with that.
What I do strongly believe in this case was that Mr. White had the safety of his doors and windows, and the option to call the police. And that is where he went wrong, bottom line. And if he believed the police would not help him, then he has way more issues than this group of teens at his sidewalk.
Message edited 3/21/2008 1:31:19 PM.
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Re: John White Sentence
Posted by Porrruss
I think until we have all lived the life of an African American who has experienced the anger and fear of true racism, then we ALL should avoid passing judgement. An angry mob of white MEN shouting the "N' word and threatening to KILL me/my family would certainly strike more fear in the hearts of a black man than a bunch of white women posting on a messageboard.
Well said!!!!!
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Goobster
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Re: John White Sentence
Posted by Porrruss
Of course he should be punished- but those "children " should hold responsibility as well.
You know what responsibilty they hold? Their friend is dead. They held his head as he died.
I think that is punishment enough. I truly do.
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Ophelia
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Re: John White Sentence
Posted by Goobster
Posted by Porrruss
Of course he should be punished- but those "children " should hold responsibility as well.
You know what responsibilty they hold? Their friend is dead. They held his head as he died.
I think that is punishment enough. I truly do.
you don't think Mr. White experienced the same feelings..HE KILLED SOMEONE.
oh wait, you wouldn't think he felt anything...b/c he's a ticking time bomb waiting for it.
we'll see how much those kids have "learned" only time will tell.
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Re: John White Sentence
Whether he thought they were a lynch mob or not he should not have left the safety of his own home!
He and his family were in no danger while inside the home.
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Re: John White Sentence
Posted by dita
Whether he thought they were a lynch mob or not he should not have left the safety of his own home!
He and his family were in no danger while inside the home.
And this is exactly why he was charged, found guilty, and sentenced.
BUT, because of the circumstances, an angry mob of teenagers spewing racial epithets, while making threats to kill, the sentence was mitigated and lessened, which I have absolutely NO issue with.
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Goobster
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Re: John White Sentence
Posted by Ophelia
Posted by Goobster
Posted by Porrruss
Of course he should be punished- but those "children " should hold responsibility as well.
You know what responsibilty they hold? Their friend is dead. They held his head as he died.
I think that is punishment enough. I truly do.
you don't think Mr. White experienced the same feelings..HE KILLED SOMEONE.
oh wait, you wouldn't think he felt anything...b/c he's a ticking time bomb waiting for it.
we'll see how much those kids have "learned" only time will tell.
I don't doubt Mr. White regrets what he did.
And I also don't doubt Mr. White may realize that he made a poor choice, possibly one based on the past/issues from the past.
We all have a past that plays into who we currently are and what we think and what choices we make.
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Re: John White Sentence
Posted by Porrruss
I think until we have all lived the life of an African American who has experienced the anger and fear of true racism, then we ALL should avoid passing judgement. An angry mob of white MEN shouting the "N' word and threatening to KILL me/my family would certainly strike more fear in the hearts of a black man than a bunch of white women posting on a messageboard.
I don't understand this.
So if a bunch of black men were outside my house screaming they were coming in to kill me, I should feel less threatened?
Regardless, black or white, we both would have had the same choice, call the cops. It's that why we have police? These kids (for lack of a better word) could be the ones in jail charged for a hate crime instead of John White being charged for a murder.
As for if this was my kid acting this way outside of someones home, I would also be horrifed, but I wouldn't feel he deserved to die for it.
Seems this argument can go in circles for days.
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Re: John White Sentence
Posted by Mssissy
Posted by Porrruss
I think until we have all lived the life of an African American who has experienced the anger and fear of true racism, then we ALL should avoid passing judgement. An angry mob of white MEN shouting the "N' word and threatening to KILL me/my family would certainly strike more fear in the hearts of a black man than a bunch of white women posting on a messageboard.
I don't understand this.
So if a bunch of black men were outside my house screaming they were coming in to kill me, I should feel less threatened?
Regardless, black or white, we both would have had the same choice, call the cops. It's that why we have police? These kids (for lack of a better word) could be the ones in jail charged for a hate crime instead of John White being charged for a murder.
As for if this was my kid acting this way outside of someones home, I would also be horrifed, but I wouldn't feel he deserved to die for it.
Seems this argument can go in circles for days.
It's so true though. You make the greatest point here. 
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