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lucyloo
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Re: John White Sentence
Posted by Bxgell2
Posted by dita
Whether he thought they were a lynch mob or not he should not have left the safety of his own home!
He and his family were in no danger while inside the home.
And this is exactly why he was charged, found guilty, and sentenced.
BUT, because of the circumstances, an angry mob of teenagers spewing racial epithets, while making threats to kill, the sentence was mitigated and lessened, which I have absolutely NO issue with.
And that's what I have the problem with 
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Re: John White Sentence
Not enough of a sentence for killing someone but the victim's family does not seem like a bunch of good people either.
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JessInCA
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Re: John White Sentence
Posted by Goobster
And what amazes me is it is a "hate crime" to call someone a WORD, a name, based on their race/religion, etc, but it is ok to shoot someone b/c you deem a word they call you as an attack?
I don't think anyone here is saying that what Mr. White did was OK. Neither did the jury who found him guilty, or the judge who sentenced him. There's a difference between understanding why he did it, and condoning the behavior itself.
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Ophelia
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Re: John White Sentence
Posted by dita
Posted by Bxgell2
Posted by dita
Whether he thought they were a lynch mob or not he should not have left the safety of his own home!
He and his family were in no danger while inside the home.
And this is exactly why he was charged, found guilty, and sentenced.
BUT, because of the circumstances, an angry mob of teenagers spewing racial epithets, while making threats to kill, the sentence was mitigated and lessened, which I have absolutely NO issue with.
And that's what I have the problem with
what would satisfy you?
and what specificially, is your issue?
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Goobster
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Re: John White Sentence
Posted by JessInCA
Posted by Goobster
And what amazes me is it is a "hate crime" to call someone a WORD, a name, based on their race/religion, etc, but it is ok to shoot someone b/c you deem a word they call you as an attack?
I don't think anyone here is saying that what Mr. White did was OK. Neither did the jury who found him guilty, or the judge who sentenced him. There's a difference between understanding why he did it, and condoning the behavior itself.
I truly would agree with you, but considering the other choice he had was to
a) stay in his house
b) call the police
c) lock doors and windows, etc
Then to me there is nothing else to consider. I will NEVER agree with him going out there WILLINGLY, with a loaded gun, instead of doing the above. It is those poor choices to me that warrant way more than 2-4 years in jail.
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Ophelia
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Re: John White Sentence
imagine you are a woman. a victim of rape back in your college days, and back then the police didn't care much or handle it properly, since your "friend" was the rapist.
Imagine one night while you're sleeping, your teenage daughter comes running home, terrified...some boys were calling her a **** and threatening to rape her. and they were coming to your house.
and as you begin to wake up, you see not one, but 2 cars pull up into your drive way, and drunken men get out of the car...
you have other children...you know what it's like to need help in a situation and have the police do NOTHING...you don't want to hurt anyone...you just want them to leave your daughter alone and GO AWAY...and you have a gun...something to protect you while you try to get these "boys" off your lawn....
you are telling me that you would just sit on your tuffet and let them break in...if they tried to...
OH HELL NO.
I would be right in Mr. White's chair for sure. even the electric chair, if that is what I FELT it took to protect my family...and I felt it was the only way.
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Porrruss
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Re: John White Sentence
Posted by Mssissy
Posted by Porrruss
I think until we have all lived the life of an African American who has experienced the anger and fear of true racism, then we ALL should avoid passing judgement. An angry mob of white MEN shouting the "N' word and threatening to KILL me/my family would certainly strike more fear in the hearts of a black man than a bunch of white women posting on a messageboard.
I don't understand this.
So if a bunch of black men were outside my house screaming they were coming in to kill me, I should feel less threatened?
Regardless, black or white, we both would have had the same choice, call the cops. It's that why we have police? These kids (for lack of a better word) could be the ones in jail charged for a hate crime instead of John White being charged for a murder.
As for if this was my kid acting this way outside of someones home, I would also be horrifed, but I wouldn't feel he deserved to die for it.
Seems this argument can go in circles for days.
No- you're missing the point. As a white woman, I cannot POSSIBLY understand the fear that a white mob shouting the N word can instill. THATS what I meant- not the fear anyone would feel if someone was threatening to kill me. For anyone who has ever *hard* of the civil rights movement- this situation was a regular occurance for black people. It's a (sad) part of our history.
That angry lynch mob took this situation to a WHOLE 'nother level that we as white women, who have NOT dealt with the fears that this situation would present to many black men could possibly undertstand.
I believe that Mr. White SHOULD have trusted that the police would have handled the situation, but I can understand his mentality in this.
Very sad for all parties involved.
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Porrruss
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Re: John White Sentence
Posted by Ophelia
imagine you are a woman. a victim of rape back in your college days, and back then the police didn't care much or handle it properly, since your "friend" was the rapist.
Imagine one night while you're sleeping, your teenage daughter comes running home, terrified...some boys were calling her a **** and threatening to rape her. and they were coming to your house.
and as you begin to wake up, you see not one, but 2 cars pull up into your drive way, and drunken men get out of the car...
you have other children...you know what it's like to need help in a situation and have the police do NOTHING...you don't want to hurt anyone...you just want them to leave your daughter alone and GO AWAY...and you have a gun...something to protect you while you try to get these "boys" off your lawn....
you are telling me that you would just sit on your tuffet and let them break in...if they tried to...
OH HELL NO.
I would be right in Mr. White's chair for sure. even the electric chair, if that is what I FELT it took to protect my family...and I felt it was the only way.
<sigh> you are perfection. You described this point perfectly
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lucyloo
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Re: John White Sentence
Posted by Ophelia
Posted by dita
Posted by Bxgell2
Posted by dita
Whether he thought they were a lynch mob or not he should not have left the safety of his own home!
He and his family were in no danger while inside the home.
And this is exactly why he was charged, found guilty, and sentenced.
BUT, because of the circumstances, an angry mob of teenagers spewing racial epithets, while making threats to kill, the sentence was mitigated and lessened, which I have absolutely NO issue with.
And that's what I have the problem with
what would satisfy you?
and what specificially, is your issue?
Well if I could turn back time, John stayed in his house and called the cops. The kids get in trouble for making racial comments.
There is no real satisfaction here- Dano is dead, Aaron has to deal with his father being in jail and John has to live with what he did.
But I do think John should be in jail for longer than 2-4 as far as the law goes. If those kids had weapons of any kind or posed an immediate threat than I think 2-4 makes sense.
They didn't.
I'm not a judge, I don't have experience in sentencing so I don't know what the exact sentence should be.
I do know that for his charge he should get between 2-22.
2-4 seems too lenient. Maybe somewhere in the middle would make more sense.
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Goobster
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Re: John White Sentence
Posted by dita
Well if I could turn back time, John stayed in his house and called the cops. The kids get in trouble for making racial comments.
There is no real satisfaction here- Dano is dead, Aaron has to deal with his father being in jail and John has to live with what he did.
But I do think John should be in jail for longer than 2-4 as far as the law goes. If those kids had weapons of any kind or posed an immediate threat than I think 2-4 makes sense.
They didn't.
I'm not a judge, I don't have experience in sentencing so I don't know what the exact sentence should be.
I do know that for his charge he should get between 2-22.
2-4 seems too lenient. Maybe somewhere in the middle would make more sense.
Perfect post, ITA.
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lucyloo
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Re: John White Sentence
Posted by Ophelia
imagine you are a woman. a victim of rape back in your college days, and back then the police didn't care much or handle it properly, since your "friend" was the rapist.
Imagine one night while you're sleeping, your teenage daughter comes running home, terrified...some boys were calling her a **** and threatening to rape her. and they were coming to your house.
and as you begin to wake up, you see not one, but 2 cars pull up into your drive way, and drunken men get out of the car...
you have other children...you know what it's like to need help in a situation and have the police do NOTHING...you don't want to hurt anyone...you just want them to leave your daughter alone and GO AWAY...and you have a gun...something to protect you while you try to get these "boys" off your lawn....
you are telling me that you would just sit on your tuffet and let them break in...if they tried to...
OH HELL NO.
I would be right in Mr. White's chair for sure. even the electric chair, if that is what I FELT it took to protect my family...and I felt it was the only way.
I would get away from the windows, call the police, get my gun and sit and wait. If they enter I shoot. I might take down license plates and descriptions if possible. I know that if i leave my house and shoot one of them it is illegal as anyone who legally owns a gun knows.
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Porrruss
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Re: John White Sentence
Posted by dita
Posted by Ophelia
imagine you are a woman. a victim of rape back in your college days, and back then the police didn't care much or handle it properly, since your "friend" was the rapist.
Imagine one night while you're sleeping, your teenage daughter comes running home, terrified...some boys were calling her a **** and threatening to rape her. and they were coming to your house.
and as you begin to wake up, you see not one, but 2 cars pull up into your drive way, and drunken men get out of the car...
you have other children...you know what it's like to need help in a situation and have the police do NOTHING...you don't want to hurt anyone...you just want them to leave your daughter alone and GO AWAY...and you have a gun...something to protect you while you try to get these "boys" off your lawn....
you are telling me that you would just sit on your tuffet and let them break in...if they tried to...
OH HELL NO.
I would be right in Mr. White's chair for sure. even the electric chair, if that is what I FELT it took to protect my family...and I felt it was the only way.
I would get away from the windows, call the police, get my gun and sit and wait. If they enter I shoot. I might take down license plates and descriptions if possible. I know that if i leave my house and shoot one of them it is illegal as anyone who legally owns a gun knows.
I agree, I realy do. But as someone who does not have the past experiences that John White had, I don't know how I would react in this high panicked situation.
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Goobster
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Re: John White Sentence
Posted by Ophelia
you have other children...you know what it's like to need help in a situation and have the police do NOTHING...you don't want to hurt anyone...you just want them to leave your daughter alone and GO AWAY...and you have a gun...something to protect you while you try to get these "boys" off your lawn....
you are telling me that you would just sit on your tuffet and let them break in...if they tried to...
OH HELL NO.
I would be right in Mr. White's chair for sure. even the electric chair, if that is what I FELT it took to protect my family...and I felt it was the only way.
Well you story has one huge flaw.
NO ONE Was trying to break into his home so he was NOT in imminent danger. And that is where he went wrong, so very wrong.
And that is also my point about being a ticking time bomb. Just b/c of your "past history" with one incident, one cop, you hold all others accountable and decide to take matters into your own hands? And your past history should be the problem of the current people you believe to be threatening you? Is it quite possible that you might be overreacting, based on fear and emotions of the past?
If the world worked like this, if we all did this (disregard authority and take matters into our own hands) we would all be at risk everyday based on the pasts of others.
Our past does play a role, but that is exactly why cases like this are critical. Others should not have to pay for the brunt of what we faced in another senario, and if they do, they should be held accountable accordingly.
ETA- And in your senario, you should hopefully have the sense that if you take matters into your own hands, your children may have to live their lives with their mother in jail for "taking mattesrs" into her own hands when she is not a law enforcement official. And you would HOPEFULLY have the sense to make that RATIONAL decision (one that John White apparently didn't have and for that he should be held accountable for longer than 2-4 yrs).
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Ophelia
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Re: John White Sentence
Posted by Porrruss
Posted by dita
Posted by Ophelia
imagine you are a woman. a victim of rape back in your college days, and back then the police didn't care much or handle it properly, since your "friend" was the rapist.
Imagine one night while you're sleeping, your teenage daughter comes running home, terrified...some boys were calling her a **** and threatening to rape her. and they were coming to your house.
and as you begin to wake up, you see not one, but 2 cars pull up into your drive way, and drunken men get out of the car...
you have other children...you know what it's like to need help in a situation and have the police do NOTHING...you don't want to hurt anyone...you just want them to leave your daughter alone and GO AWAY...and you have a gun...something to protect you while you try to get these "boys" off your lawn....
you are telling me that you would just sit on your tuffet and let them break in...if they tried to...
OH HELL NO.
I would be right in Mr. White's chair for sure. even the electric chair, if that is what I FELT it took to protect my family...and I felt it was the only way.
I would get away from the windows, call the police, get my gun and sit and wait. If they enter I shoot. I might take down license plates and descriptions if possible. I know that if i leave my house and shoot one of them it is illegal as anyone who legally owns a gun knows.
I agree, I realy do. But as someone who does not have the past experiences that John White had, I don't know how I would react in this high panicked situation.
I would not wait for ANYONE to get the upper hand on me...
you cant' be in every room in your home. waiting by every window...every door.
you can't rely on the police to come right away...b/c they don't...at least not in my neck of the woods.
I would *hope* that when these kids saw and adult..and an armed adult at that, that they would get some sense and go away.
sadly, that did not happen here.
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Re: John White Sentence
Posted by dita
Posted by Ophelia
imagine you are a woman. a victim of rape back in your college days, and back then the police didn't care much or handle it properly, since your "friend" was the rapist.
Imagine one night while you're sleeping, your teenage daughter comes running home, terrified...some boys were calling her a **** and threatening to rape her. and they were coming to your house.
and as you begin to wake up, you see not one, but 2 cars pull up into your drive way, and drunken men get out of the car...
you have other children...you know what it's like to need help in a situation and have the police do NOTHING...you don't want to hurt anyone...you just want them to leave your daughter alone and GO AWAY...and you have a gun...something to protect you while you try to get these "boys" off your lawn....
you are telling me that you would just sit on your tuffet and let them break in...if they tried to...
OH HELL NO.
I would be right in Mr. White's chair for sure. even the electric chair, if that is what I FELT it took to protect my family...and I felt it was the only way.
I would get away from the windows, call the police, get my gun and sit and wait. If they enter I shoot. I might take down license plates and descriptions if possible. I know that if i leave my house and shoot one of them it is illegal as anyone who legally owns a gun knows.
This is what I would have done too. 
It wouldn't matter what window or door they decided to come in...you're in my house...you're going to get shot.
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MrsFlatbread
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Re: John White Sentence
Posted by Porrruss
But as someone who does not have the past experiences that John White had, I don't know how I would react in this high panicked situation.
What past experiences? You have no idea what he went through as a kid. Let's speculate that Maybe he was called the "N" word growing up or maybe he was beat up as a kid by some white kids, it does not justify shooting a kid in the face.
Tick....Tick...Tick...
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Ophelia
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Re: John White Sentence
Posted by Goobster
Well you story has one huge flaw.
NO ONE Was trying to break into his home so he was NOT in imminent danger. And that is where he went wrong, so very wrong.
first, I said, if they TRIED...as in, instead of confronting them. wait for them to come up to your porch...so my story is NOT flawed.
snd there is a complete difference between being a "ticking time bomb" and acting based on experience.
HUGE difference. one implies laying in wait...WANTING the situation to arise...the other is what we all do...learn from our experiences to better protect ourselves IF the situation should arise.
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Ophelia
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Re: John White Sentence
Posted by Stefanie
Posted by dita
I would get away from the windows, call the police, get my gun and sit and wait. If they enter I shoot. I might take down license plates and descriptions if possible. I know that if i leave my house and shoot one of them it is illegal as anyone who legally owns a gun knows.
This is what I would have done too.
It wouldn't matter what window or door they decided to come in...you're in my house...you're going to get shot.
so you'd get off and I'd be serving 2-4.
if my family remains safe and there was NO CHANCE of anyone getting into my home or touching my child...I am fine with that. 10000000000%
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kahlua716
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Re: John White Sentence
Posted by newday21608
i find it LAUGHABLE that so many whites think that a white man shooting at a black mob would have received more time than john white.. when white cops shooting at unarmed black men have walked away scott free for years. matter of fact.. bernard goetz shot unarmed black teens in the mid 90's and walked away scott free.. and there you have it a mob of black teens harassing and menacing a white man and he pulled out a gun and shot.. and served NO TIME.. and to make matters worse, he wasn't even ON his OWN property. he was in a subway..
i find it laughable that someone would think that only white adults are racist and that because white teens embrace the hip hop culture at their local mall that therefore there is no racism.. uh.. where do white adults come from? they come from white teens.. oh and that there are no neonazi, racist organizations on long island in 2008.. yeah sure..
i find it laughable that folks would seriously sit and say that if a mob of teens came to their house in the middle of the night demanding their child come outside so he can be beat that they'd sit in their house and wait on the police.. that right there is beyond laughable it is HYSTERICAL.. i wish i WOULD sit in my house and wait for the police when someone is calling my child outside to be beaten by a MOB.. not one or even two but a MOB..
the only injustice in this is that 1. a family is ruined because the head of that family was doing what he is charged to do.. protect his family 2. a family is ruined because a son was not taught u don't go to people's houses at night to pull kids out of bed to fight.. 3. two families were ruined because one little fast pants girl decided to tell a lie.. hmm where is HER culpability in all of this.. and 4. the rest of that mob was not charged or even addressed outside of the judge when she rendered her decision..
To address your points:
- I don't think that anyone, black or white, should be able to walk away with no sentence OR a lenient sentence after killing someone
-Yes, I WOULD'VE called the cops and waited in my house. I would never go out as ONE person and defend myself against a large group of people (I suppose that would make me a bad parent and make you laugh.) That's just stupid. He could've protected his son by calling the cops.
-I agree that the victim acted irresponsibly and that his upbringing is probably to blame- he needs ethics classes and maybe a stint in a juvenile facility, not a bullet in the face.
-I agree that his friends should've been charged, and the girl should get in trouble.
This is not about race- it's about intelligence (don't go to someone's house with a group of people threatening...don't try to face a threatening group of people with a loaded unlocked weapon unless you are ready to face the consequences) and its about the need for stronger Gun Control laws so people don't take the law into their own hands.
Its LAUGHABLE to me that you think its ok to defend a THREAT against your child by shooting another CHILD in the face.
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Goobster
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Re: John White Sentence
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Posted by Porrruss
But as someone who does not have the past experiences that John White had, I don't know how I would react in this high panicked situation.
What past experiences? You have no idea what he went through as a kid. Let's speculate that Maybe he was called the "N" word growing up or maybe he was beat up as a kid by some white kids, it does not justify shooting a kid in the face.
Tick....Tick...Tick...
I agree.
So his past DOES play a role.
For acting on that, and not being able to think RATIONALLY (ex, I call the cops, so that they can handle this, and I won't do something stupid that I could go to jail for, that I can get sued for,etc) he IS a threat to society IMO.
If you are mentally effected by issues in your past to the point that you act on them when you maybe should do something else instead, then you ARE a threat IMO.
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Re: John White Sentence
Posted by kahlua716
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To address your points:
- I don't think that anyone, black or white, should be able to walk away with no sentence OR a lenient sentence after killing someone
-Yes, I WOULD'VE called the cops and waited in my house. I would never go out as ONE person and defend myself against a large group of people (I suppose that would make me a bad parent and make you laugh.) That's just stupid. He could've protected his son by calling the cops.
-I agree that the victim acted irresponsibly and that his upbringing is probably to blame- he needs ethics classes and maybe a stint in a juvenile facility, not a bullet in the face.
-I agree that his friends should've been charged, and the girl should get in trouble.
This is not about race- it's about intelligence (don't go to someone's house with a group of people threatening...don't try to face a threatening group of people with a loaded unlocked weapon unless you are ready to face the consequences) and its about the need for stronger Gun Control laws so people don't take the law into their own hands.
Its LAUGHABLE to me that you think its ok to defend a THREAT against your child by shooting another CHILD in the face.
Excellent Kahlua!!
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Ophelia
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Re: John White Sentence
Posted by kahlua716
Its LAUGHABLE to me that you think its ok to defend a THREAT against your child by shooting another CHILD in the face.
so, you think that he INTENTIONALLY shot this boy in the face...looked at him, and pulled the trigger...shooting him b/c he threatened his child? 
that goes against what everyone is saying happened. WHERE ON EARTH DID ANYONE say it was ok?
seriously 
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Re: John White Sentence
Posted by Goobster
If you are mentally effected by issues in your past to the point that you act on them when you maybe should do something else instead, then you ARE a threat IMO.
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Re: John White Sentence
If you are mentally effected by issues in your past to the point that you act on them when you maybe should do something else instead, then you ARE a threat IMO.
By that reasoning, do you know how many ticking time bombs are walking the street at this very moment? Living in your neighborhood, on your block, maybe even under your roof?
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Re: John White Sentence
Posted by Ophelia
so, you think that he INTENTIONALLY shot this boy in the face...looked at him, and pulled the trigger...shooting him b/c he threatened his child?
that goes against what everyone is saying happened. WHERE ON EARTH DID ANYONE say it was ok?
seriously
stop it, ophelia. please do. ignorance is bliss, don't you know?
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