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Bxgell2
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Re: John White Sentence
Posted by Goobster
Posted by greeneyes361708
The point is, he was given a sentence fitting the crime IMO. It was a tragic accident. John White didn't intend to kill anyone that night and unfortunately, it happened. He didn't deserve 20 years in jail. He made a bad judgement call. I don't think he's a real danger to society.
If he didn't intend to use the weapon or kill anyone, why even have loaded weapons (in more than one location in his home)?
That's not enough to show intent, at least, not under the law. If you take that argument, then presumably every single person in the US who has a loaded weapon in their home may be accused of intent to kill before anything even happens.
We, as a Country, deemed the right to bear arms a necessary component of our Constitution. We cannot contradict that by assuming an intent to kill with every purchase.
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Re: John White Sentence
Posted by Bxgell2
Posted by Goobster
Posted by greeneyes361708
The point is, he was given a sentence fitting the crime IMO. It was a tragic accident. John White didn't intend to kill anyone that night and unfortunately, it happened. He didn't deserve 20 years in jail. He made a bad judgement call. I don't think he's a real danger to society.
If he didn't intend to use the weapon or kill anyone, why even have loaded weapons (in more than one location in his home)?
That's not enough to show intent, at least, not under the law. If you take that argument, then presumably every single person in the US who has a loaded weapon in their home may be accused of intent to kill before anything even happens.
We, as a Country, deemed the right to bear arms a necessary component of our Constitution. We cannot contradict that by assuming an intent to kill with every purchase.
I understand what you are saying, the concept of the law. But if I had a loaded gun, I know it would certainly be b/c I INTENDED to use it when I saw the need to protect myself.
ETA - If I just wanted a gun to "Scare" people, then I would not keep it loaded. You keep a loaded gun b/c you want it to be READY when you believe you NEED to use it.
Message edited 3/21/2008 12:46:47 PM.
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HeathKernandez
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Re: John White Sentence
Posted by lullabella
Posted by Ophelia
Posted by lullabella
Um I was responded to greeneyes quote, why don't you read that. 
um...sorry. I didn't realize we could only speak when spoken to.
and really..the *rolleyes* unnecessary. I conduct myself as an adult.
ETA: since we are on the subject of reading, my comments are regarding the sentence length. not calling the police. for clarity.
Your points are valid but so are alot of other peoples. The whole situation is sad all around. I just know if he shot my son, 2 years would not be enough. How would you feel if it were your son?
G*d, I am so SICK of people saying: 'how would you feel if it were your son?'
Of course, if it were ANY OF our kids we would be tremendously hurt and angry... But there are FACTS.
I do NOT agree with how John White reacted to this situation, but I also don't know how *I* would react if my son woke me up in the middle of the night with:
'They are coming to kill me...'
I only hope I would have enough sense to react accordingly... He should have called the cops, he should have stayed inside the home... But he also had every right to protect his family.
IMO this was a horrible horrible ACCIDENT.. and unfortunately fault was heavy on BOTH sides. He WAS convicted. He didn't go *free*.
But asking someone 'how they would feel...' makes no sense. It doesn't MATTER how I would feel... What matters is the evidence presented.
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Bxgell2
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Re: John White Sentence
Posted by Goobster
Posted by Bxgell2
Posted by Goobster
Posted by greeneyes361708
The point is, he was given a sentence fitting the crime IMO. It was a tragic accident. John White didn't intend to kill anyone that night and unfortunately, it happened. He didn't deserve 20 years in jail. He made a bad judgement call. I don't think he's a real danger to society.
If he didn't intend to use the weapon or kill anyone, why even have loaded weapons (in more than one location in his home)?
That's not enough to show intent, at least, not under the law. If you take that argument, then presumably every single person in the US who has a loaded weapon in their home may be accused of intent to kill before anything even happens.
We, as a Country, deemed the right to bear arms a necessary component of our Constitution. We cannot contradict that by assuming an intent to kill with every purchase.
I understand what you are saying, the concept of the law. But if I had a loaded gun, I know it would certainly be b/c I INTENDED to use it when I saw the need to protect myself.
Intending to use a gun at some point in your life and intending to actually murder someone are two different things.
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Re: John White Sentence
Posted by LizD
honestly, I am alright with this sentence. I can not honestly tell you what I would do if someone was on my property, threatening my child. While I do agree that the best thing would have been to call the police, I was not there and do not know exactly what happened that night. There was more than the 1 kid there, so how do we know if this man felt threatened or not. Just because they did not have guns, does not mean that they could not have harmed his family. Armed or not, they were on his property, in a threatening manner. They were not there selling girl scout cookies!!
agreed - it really all depends on how much of a threat they were
i can tell you - that if i had a gun, and a group of teens were on my lawn in a threatning way. I would show the gun, and if they didn't disperse, i'd make a judgement call as to the situation
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Re: John White Sentence
someone go get the little fast pants girl who told the LIE who started the ENTIRE CHAIN OF EVENTS!!!
SHE is the one i'm mad at.. her actions in this case equate screaming fire in a crowded movie theater..
john white made a bad choice
danny ciccaro made a bad choice
this little heifer... is a horrible person who seemingly lacks remorse culpability, and responsibilty..
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Goobster
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Re: John White Sentence
Posted by Bxgell2
Intending to use a gun at some point in your life and intending to actually murder someone are two different things.
I never said he intended to murder. I do believe he intended to use (not just as a scare tactic, but true intent to use the weapon) it at some point (not necessarily this instance, but yes, at some point, that's why it was loaded and not the only weapon he possessed), whether the end result be murder or injury.
That's my point about owning a loaded weapon. You DO intend to use it when you see the need otherwise you likely would not have it.
Message edited 3/21/2008 12:52:59 PM.
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HeathKernandez
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Re: John White Sentence
Posted by newday21608
someone go get the little fast pants girl who told the LIE who started the ENTIRE CHAIN OF EVENTS!!!
SHE is the one i'm mad at.. her actions in this case equate screaming fire in a crowded movie theater..
john white made a bad choice
danny ciccaro made a bad choice
this little heifer... is a horrible person who seemingly lacks remorse culpability, and responsibilty..
I don't think that's accurate. From what I know, Aaron White's FRIEND hacked into his myspace account and threatened the girl as a (SICK) joke.
So she's not ENTIRELY at fault.
And, I believe it was at a party, not a movie theater
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Re: John White Sentence
A short but interesting article (or blog) on the matter.
Just one person's opinion.
"the confluence of where poor choices, stupidity, immaturity, racial hatred, denial of racial hatred and ego meet. This was a horrible case for all involved"
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Re: John White Sentence
Posted by Goobster
I personally think he has a lot of issues that run deeper than this sad situation and that is WHY he had a house full of weapons and believed a group of young white men automatically = a lynch mob. I think he IS a danger to society since he is so sensitive to anything he perceives as racially charged.
Why can't they just be a group of punky kids your son is having trouble with (as many kids do)?
So a bunch of kids on your property call you the n word doesn't equate a lynch mob? Can you see how he perceived it that way?
What I don't understand is the attitude it was just kids being kids. Normal kids don't show up at someone's house at 2 in the morning threatening to kill/beat the crap out of someone.
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HeathKernandez
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Re: John White Sentence
Another interesting article
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Goobster
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Re: John White Sentence
Posted by greeneyes361708
Posted by Goobster
I personally think he has a lot of issues that run deeper than this sad situation and that is WHY he had a house full of weapons and believed a group of young white men automatically = a lynch mob. I think he IS a danger to society since he is so sensitive to anything he perceives as racially charged.
Why can't they just be a group of punky kids your son is having trouble with (as many kids do)?
So a bunch of kids on your property call you the n word doesn't equate a lynch mob? Can you see how he perceived it that way?
What I don't understand is the attitude it was just kids being kids. Normal kids don't show up at someone's house at 2 in the morning threatening to kill/beat the crap out of someone.
Lynch mob to me seems only racially motivated.
There was more to this situation than simply a group of white people wanting to hurt/threaten/attack someone simply based on their race.
There was history there. They were once friends. That is why this is not a lynch mob IMO.
ANd calling him the N word doesn't to me, make them a lynch mob. When people are angry and fighting, they will call you anything that they perceive will intimidate, anger, hurt you.
If Aaron was Italian, and they were screaming Italian slurs at him, would that mean they were a lynch mob?
That is the nature of people, they will call you whatever they can think of that may hurt, upset, attack the core of who you are. To me, there are nasty words that any of us can be called and I don't see this as any different.
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Re: John White Sentence
Posted by carolinep24
Posted by newday21608
someone go get the little fast pants girl who told the LIE who started the ENTIRE CHAIN OF EVENTS!!!
SHE is the one i'm mad at.. her actions in this case equate screaming fire in a crowded movie theater..
john white made a bad choice
danny ciccaro made a bad choice
this little heifer... is a horrible person who seemingly lacks remorse culpability, and responsibilty..
I don't think that's accurate. From what I know, Aaron White's FRIEND hacked into his myspace account and threatened the girl as a (SICK) joke.
So she's not ENTIRELY at fault.
And, I believe it was at a party, not a movie theater
it was a party, not a movie theater, i said her actions were akin to screaming fire at a movie theater.. basically getting the crowd going.. SHE told ciccaro and his friends that aaron said he was going to rape her.. that's how it got started.. and if it was his friend that hacked into his myspace then HIS friend needs to own some of this also.. i hadn't heard that. she did testify at trial however that she lied when telling dano that aaron said he was going to rape her..
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MrsFlatbread
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Re: John White Sentence
Posted by greeneyes361708
Posted by Goobster
I personally think he has a lot of issues that run deeper than this sad situation and that is WHY he had a house full of weapons and believed a group of young white men automatically = a lynch mob. I think he IS a danger to society since he is so sensitive to anything he perceives as racially charged.
Why can't they just be a group of punky kids your son is having trouble with (as many kids do)?
So a bunch of kids on your property call you the n word doesn't equate a lynch mob? Can you see how he perceived it that way?
What I don't understand is the attitude it was just kids being kids. Normal kids don't show up at someone's house at 2 in the morning threatening to kill/beat the crap out of someone.
But how does an inappropriate choice of words used by punk teens constitute a lynch mob?
I agree that Mr. White is a ticking time bomb waiting to happen.
Message edited 3/21/2008 12:56:53 PM.
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Bxgell2
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Re: John White Sentence
Posted by greeneyes361708
Posted by Goobster
I personally think he has a lot of issues that run deeper than this sad situation and that is WHY he had a house full of weapons and believed a group of young white men automatically = a lynch mob. I think he IS a danger to society since he is so sensitive to anything he perceives as racially charged.
Why can't they just be a group of punky kids your son is having trouble with (as many kids do)?
So a bunch of kids on your property call you the n word doesn't equate a lynch mob? Can you see how he perceived it that way?
What I don't understand is the attitude it was just kids being kids. Normal kids don't show up at someone's house at 2 in the morning threatening to kill/beat the crap out of someone.
I have to agree on some level. I'm trying to put myself in this man's shoes - I know personally I would feel *more* threatened if an angry mob of teens were on my property screaming religious slurs against jews, as opposed to just an angry mob of teens standing on my property. There is an undeniable historical context that evokes a different level of understanding and fear in the recipient. Particularly if that group of teenagers are threatening to kill your child while making those epithets.
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Goobster
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Re: John White Sentence
Posted by greeneyes361708
So a bunch of kids on your property call you the n word doesn't equate a lynch mob? Can you see how he perceived it that way?
I CAN see how he perceived it that way, based on his past and his obvious history and tension with racial related issues.
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Ophelia
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Re: John White Sentence
Posted by Goobster
If Aaron was Italian, and they were screaming Italian slurs at him, would that mean they were a lynch mob?
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it certainly would be considered a hate crime.
and your *logic* about intent is severely flawed. perhaps we should send a copy of this thread to the Supreme Court.
I hope it would help sway their decision. b/c if intent is implied in anyone that possesses a handgun...they should be COMPLETELY outlawed.
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Goobster
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Re: John White Sentence
Posted by Ophelia
Posted by Goobster
If Aaron was Italian, and they were screaming Italian slurs at him, would that mean they were a lynch mob?
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It certainly would be considered a hate crime.
and your *logic* about intent is severely flawed. perhaps we should send a copy of this thread to the Supreme Court.
I hope it would help sway their decision. b/c if intent is implied in anyone that possesses a handgun...they should be COMPLETELY outlawed.
I didn't say hate crime, I said lynch mob.
No matter what hte law says, IMO, if you go out of your way to get a gun, then I would suspect you own it b/c you possibly intend to use it when the time is fit in your opinion.
WHY OWN ONE if you didn't INTEND to use it one day?
I don't keep illegal items in my home, and certainly, if I didn't intend to use them, all the more reason not to have them on my property/in my possession.
Message edited 3/21/2008 1:04:43 PM.
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HeathKernandez
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Re: John White Sentence
Posted by newday21608
Posted by carolinep24
Posted by newday21608
someone go get the little fast pants girl who told the LIE who started the ENTIRE CHAIN OF EVENTS!!!
SHE is the one i'm mad at.. her actions in this case equate screaming fire in a crowded movie theater..
john white made a bad choice
danny ciccaro made a bad choice
this little heifer... is a horrible person who seemingly lacks remorse culpability, and responsibilty..
I don't think that's accurate. From what I know, Aaron White's FRIEND hacked into his myspace account and threatened the girl as a (SICK) joke.
So she's not ENTIRELY at fault.
And, I believe it was at a party, not a movie theater
it was a party, not a movie theater, i said her actions were akin to screaming fire at a movie theater.. basically getting the crowd going.. SHE told ciccaro and his friends that aaron said he was going to rape her.. that's how it got started.. and if it was his friend that hacked into his myspace then HIS friend needs to own some of this also.. i hadn't heard that. she did testify at trial however that she lied when telling dano that aaron said he was going to rape her..
His friend DID own up to it... But I believe she didn't know it was someone pretending to be aaron white. as far as she knew, she got a threatening message that 'he' was going to rape her, so I honestly don't think she's to blame.
Where does it say she lied about the incident?
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Ophelia
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Re: John White Sentence
Posted by Goobster
Posted by Ophelia
Posted by Goobster
If Aaron was Italian, and they were screaming Italian slurs at him, would that mean they were a lynch mob?
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It certainly would be considered a hate crime.
and your *logic* about intent is severely flawed. perhaps we should send a copy of this thread to the Supreme Court.
I hope it would help sway their decision. b/c if intent is implied in anyone that possesses a handgun...they should be COMPLETELY outlawed.
I didn't say hate crime, I said lynch mob.
No matter what hte law says, IMO, if you go out of your way to get a gun, then I would suspect you own it b/c you possibly intend to use it when the time is fit in your opinion.
WHY OWN ONE if you didn't INTEND to use it one day?
I don't keep illegal items in my home, and certainly, if I didn't intend to use them, all the more reason not to have them on my property/in my possession.
hey I am a fan of gun control, so I am totally digging your train of thought here. if this is the case, my distaste for the "right to bear arms" clause is proven here.
and I cannot believe people think this man was a "ticking time bomb"
ticking time bomb would have gone to an all white school and shot them all up.
I HARDLY believe he was sitting at home biding his time until some white boys shouting "n***er" and threatening to kill his son just landed in his lap.
ETA: and I don't particularly care what catch phrase moniker the media or anyone else would chose to call a group of drunk angry young men rolling up on my house in the early hours of the morning...I call them DANGER and TROUBLE...and that is all I care about.
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Re: John White Sentence
Posted by Goobster
Posted by Ophelia
Posted by Goobster
If Aaron was Italian, and they were screaming Italian slurs at him, would that mean they were a lynch mob?
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It certainly would be considered a hate crime.
and your *logic* about intent is severely flawed. perhaps we should send a copy of this thread to the Supreme Court.
I hope it would help sway their decision. b/c if intent is implied in anyone that possesses a handgun...they should be COMPLETELY outlawed.
I didn't say hate crime, I said lynch mob.
No matter what hte law says, IMO, if you go out of your way to get a gun, then I would suspect you own it b/c you possibly intend to use it when the time is fit in your opinion.
WHY OWN ONE if you didn't INTEND to use it one day?
I don't keep illegal items in my home, and certainly, if I didn't intend to use them, all the more reason not to have them on my property/in my possession.
So according to your *logic* all gun owners are future murderers?
Also, the basic definition of a lynch mob is what occurred on the White's property- a mob of whites screaming racial epithets with the intent to hurt a black man.
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Re: John White Sentence
So that is why I do believe Mr. White was the ticking time bomb, waiting for hte "next" racial attack to occur. And he had his weapons for when that day came and it of course did. Odd to me that he would move to a mostly Italian all white neighborhood if he felt race played a huge role in his past...
  LIF cracks me up
Nothing on here surprises me, especially after reading in that article that "According to a study released a few years ago, Long Island is the single most segregated suburban area in the United States"
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Goobster
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Re: John White Sentence
Posted by Ophelia
Posted by Goobster
If Aaron was Italian, and they were screaming Italian slurs at him, would that mean they were a lynch mob?
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it certainly would be considered a hate crime.
and your *logic* about intent is severely flawed. perhaps we should send a copy of this thread to the Supreme Court.
I hope it would help sway their decision. b/c if intent is implied in anyone that possesses a handgun...they should be COMPLETELY outlawed.
And what amazes me is it is a "hate crime" to call someone a WORD, a name, based on their race/religion, etc, but it is ok to shoot someone b/c you deem a word they call you as an attack?
To me they are very contradictory. We have the right to own weapons and protect ourself, according to some of you, but not the right to call someone a "nasty" word, name b/c that deems we are out to seriously harm them?
Very contradictory if you ask me.
Maybe the "lynch" mob felt the need top protect themselves if they thought Aaron had harmed/threatened their friend, and they protected themselves with words. That's not ok, but it's ok for Mr. White to protect himself, his family with a deadly weapon?
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Goobster
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Re: John White Sentence
Posted by Porrruss
So according to your *logic* all gun owners are future murderers?
Also, the basic definition of a lynch mob is what occurred on the White's property- a mob of whites screaming racial epithets with the intent to hurt a black man.
Not future murderers, but if you own a gun and don't plan to EVER use it to protect yourself, why own it?
Unless you are a police officer who needs a gun to work, why would a regular citizen own one if not to possibly use it one day to "protect" himself, his family from harm?
If I owned a gun, had it on my property, it would certainly be b/c I wanted it to protect myself if I saw my family/self was in danger, whether that would result in simply injury or death.
I never said anyone has the intent to murder. But I would think if you owned loaded weapons, and waved them around in a time of "danger" that you likely plan to at least use them to injure whomever you see at a threat.
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Re: John White Sentence
I think until we have all lived the life of an African American who has experienced the anger and fear of true racism, then we ALL should avoid passing judgement. An angry mob of white MEN shouting the "N' word and threatening to KILL me/my family would certainly strike more fear in the hearts of a black man than a bunch of white women posting on a messageboard.
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