| Posted By |
Message |
| Pages: << 6 7 8 [9] 10 |
Ophelia
she's baaccckkkk ;)
Member since 5/06 23378 total posts
Name:
remember, when Gulliver traveled....
|
Re: John White Sentence
Posted by Goobster
Posted by MrsFlatbread
Posted by Porrruss
But as someone who does not have the past experiences that John White had, I don't know how I would react in this high panicked situation.
What past experiences? You have no idea what he went through as a kid. Let's speculate that Maybe he was called the "N" word growing up or maybe he was beat up as a kid by some white kids, it does not justify shooting a kid in the face.
Tick....Tick...Tick...
I agree.
So his past DOES play a role.
For acting on that, and not being able to think RATIONALLY (ex, I call the cops, so that they can handle this, and I won't do something stupid that I could go to jail for, that I can get sued for,etc) he IS a threat to society IMO.
If you are mentally effected by issues in your past to the point that you act on them when you maybe should do something else instead, then you ARE a threat IMO.
so by this line of thought..
anyone that has ever been a victim of a crime should be incacerated too b/c they are potentially a ticking time bomb?
|
Posted 3/21/08 2:27 PM  |
| |
|
MrsFlatbread
Skinny jeans are in my future
Member since 6/06 10258 total posts
Name:
Baby Momma
|
Re: John White Sentence
Posted by bomb-blast
If you are mentally effected by issues in your past to the point that you act on them when you maybe should do something else instead, then you ARE a threat IMO.
By that reasoning, do you know how many ticking time bombs are walking the street at this very moment? Living in your neighborhood, on your block, maybe even under your roof?
That's not the point.
John White acted on his irrational thoughts. If the others do, they will be sentenced as well.
|
| Posted 3/21/08 2:27 PM |
| |
|
Goobster
:)
Member since 5/07 27557 total posts
Name:
:)
|
Re: John White Sentence
Posted by bomb-blast
If you are mentally effected by issues in your past to the point that you act on them when you maybe should do something else instead, then you ARE a threat IMO.
By that reasoning, do you know how many ticking time bombs are walking the street at this very moment? Living in your neighborhood, on your block, maybe even under your roof?
Yes, a lot.
I know this.Those are the people you don't want to piss off.
We ALL know people like this in our neighborhoods, in our lives.
And sometimes they snap and the underlying issues hit the fan, come to the surface. And you don't want to deal with them if you can avoid it, let alone take the brunt of it, that's for sure.
Message edited 3/21/2008 2:29:06 PM.
|
| Posted 3/21/08 2:27 PM |
| |
|
Kidsaplenty
Sister love
Member since 2/06 5971 total posts
Name:
Stephanie
|
Re: John White Sentence
Posted by Ophelia
so, you think that he INTENTIONALLY shot this boy in the face...looked at him, and pulled the trigger...shooting him b/c he threatened his child? 
that goes against what everyone is saying happened. WHERE ON EARTH DID ANYONE say it was ok?
seriously 
Exactly. I don't think anyone here is saying he should have shot him in his face. I think what a lot of us are saying is that we understand why he reacted the way he did.
|
| Posted 3/21/08 2:28 PM |
| |
|
MrsFlatbread
Skinny jeans are in my future
Member since 6/06 10258 total posts
Name:
Baby Momma
|
Re: John White Sentence
Posted by Ophelia
so by this line of thought..
anyone that has ever been a victim of a crime should be incacerated too b/c they are potentially a ticking time bomb?
Mr. White's Bomb already went off...therefore, he should be sentenced appropriately
|
| Posted 3/21/08 2:28 PM |
| |
|
Porrruss
Nya nya nya
Member since 5/05 11618 total posts
Name:
Amy
|
Re: John White Sentence
I don't see where anyone is saying that what Mr. White did was OK? I think what a few of us are saying is that Mr. White didn't intentionally kill this boy, and that there should be some shared responsibility here.
Message edited 3/21/2008 2:31:12 PM.
|
| Posted 3/21/08 2:29 PM |
| |
|
bomb-blast
bye bye
Member since 11/06 1327 total posts
Name:
Leo
|
Re: John White Sentence
Yes, a lot.
I know this.Those are the people you don't want to piss off.
We ALL know people like this in our neighborhoods, in our lives.
And sometimes they snap and the underlying issues hit the fan, come to the surface. And you don't want to deal with them if you can avoid it, let alone take the brunt of it, that's for sure.
Dano didn't know it...oh well, life goes on for the rest of us..
|
| Posted 3/21/08 2:30 PM |
| |
|
kahlua716
3 Girls for Me!
Member since 8/07 12475 total posts
Name:
Keri
|
Re: John White Sentence
Posted by carolinep24
Posted by Goobster
Posted by Ophelia
Posted by Goobster
If Aaron was Italian, and they were screaming Italian slurs at him, would that mean they were a lynch mob?
.
it certainly would be considered a hate crime.
and your *logic* about intent is severely flawed. perhaps we should send a copy of this thread to the Supreme Court.
I hope it would help sway their decision. b/c if intent is implied in anyone that possesses a handgun...they should be COMPLETELY outlawed.
And what amazes me is it is a "hate crime" to call someone a WORD, a name, based on their race/religion, etc, but it is ok to shoot someone b/c you deem a word they call you as an attack?
To me they are very contradictory. We have the right to own weapons and protect ourself, according to some of you, but not the right to call someone a "nasty" word, name b/c that deems we are out to seriously harm them?
Very contradictory if you ask me.
Maybe the "lynch" mob felt the need top protect themselves if they thought Aaron had harmed/threatened their friend, and they protected themselves with words. That's not ok, but it's ok for Mr. White to protect himself, his family with a deadly weapon?
Hate crimes (also known as bias motivated crimes) occur when a perpetrator targets a victim because of his or her membership in a certain social group, usually defined by race, religion, sexual orientation, disability, ethnicity, nationality, age, gender, gender identity, or political affiliation
a group of drunk, angry teenagers shouting racial epithets , threatening to kill would fall under that definition, no?
So yes. It is a "hate crime" to call someone a WORD, a name, based on their race/religion, etc
I wouldn't think this instance would fall under this definition because they werent' targetting him because of his race- they were targetting him because they *thought* he had threatened to rape their friend. The victim wanted to hit them where it hurts- and obviously he did.
Do I think it's ok to use those words- NO obviously not, and if her were still ALIVE I would expect him to be punished. But, they were coming out of anger at the situation, not because he hated blacks (JMHO from what I have read)
|
| Posted 3/21/08 2:31 PM |
| |
|
bomb-blast
bye bye
Member since 11/06 1327 total posts
Name:
Leo
|
Re: John White Sentence
ruff
|
| Posted 3/21/08 2:32 PM |
| |
|
Goobster
:)
Member since 5/07 27557 total posts
Name:
:)
|
Re: John White Sentence
Posted by bomb-blast
Yes, a lot.
I know this.Those are the people you don't want to piss off.
We ALL know people like this in our neighborhoods, in our lives.
And sometimes they snap and the underlying issues hit the fan, come to the surface. And you don't want to deal with them if you can avoid it, let alone take the brunt of it, that's for sure.
Dano didn't know it...oh well, life goes on for the rest of us..
Right, so Dano paid the price for Mr. White's issues (ticking time bomb reference).
And now Mr. White should pay a lot longer than 2-4 years.
Sounds to me you are implying this man deserved to die for what he said?
Message edited 3/21/2008 2:35:07 PM.
|
| Posted 3/21/08 2:33 PM |
| |
|
Porrruss
Nya nya nya
Member since 5/05 11618 total posts
Name:
Amy
|
Re: John White Sentence
The use of recial epithets= a hate crime nowadays. Whether it was their *intention* to target him for his race is irrelevant, they used the "N" word, therefore it became a hate crime.
|
| Posted 3/21/08 2:33 PM |
| |
|
Porrruss
Nya nya nya
Member since 5/05 11618 total posts
Name:
Amy
|
Re: John White Sentence
Thank GOD this didn't happen in Mastic Beach...... could you imagine the firestorm?
|
| Posted 3/21/08 2:35 PM |
| |
|
bomb-blast
bye bye
Member since 11/06 1327 total posts
Name:
Leo
|
Re: John White Sentence
Posted by Goobster
Posted by bomb-blast
Yes, a lot.
I know this.Those are the people you don't want to piss off.
We ALL know people like this in our neighborhoods, in our lives.
And sometimes they snap and the underlying issues hit the fan, come to the surface. And you don't want to deal with them if you can avoid it, let alone take the brunt of it, that's for sure.
Dano didn't know it...oh well, life goes on for the rest of us..
Right, so Dano paid the price for Mr. White's issues (ticking time bomb reference).
And now Mr. White should pay a lot longer than 2-4 years.
Sounds to me you are implying this man deserved to die for what he said?
Sounds to me like you don't know how to read OR you read way too much into things.
|
| Posted 3/21/08 2:36 PM |
| |
|
MsSissy
xoxoxo
Member since 3/07 39159 total posts
Name:
|
Re: John White Sentence
Posted by Porrruss
Thank GOD this didn't happen in Mastic Beach...... could you imagine the firestorm?
 uh oh...now you did it...
ETA: I'm done with this thread. My head hurts. I'm getting dizzy going round and around and around and around.
Message edited 3/21/2008 2:38:13 PM.
|
| Posted 3/21/08 2:37 PM |
| |
|
Goobster
:)
Member since 5/07 27557 total posts
Name:
:)
|
Re: John White Sentence
Posted by bomb-blast
Posted by Goobster
Posted by bomb-blast
Yes, a lot.
I know this.Those are the people you don't want to piss off.
We ALL know people like this in our neighborhoods, in our lives.
And sometimes they snap and the underlying issues hit the fan, come to the surface. And you don't want to deal with them if you can avoid it, let alone take the brunt of it, that's for sure.
Dano didn't know it...oh well, life goes on for the rest of us..
Right, so Dano paid the price for Mr. White's issues (ticking time bomb reference).
And now Mr. White should pay a lot longer than 2-4 years.
Sounds to me you are implying this man deserved to die for what he said?
Sounds to me like you don't know how to read OR you read way too much into things.
My apologies if that is not what you meant but to say "life goes on for the rest of us" to me makes it sound like this man's life is not of significance.
And even though I do not know him or his family, I would never say "oh well life goes on" in this situation b/c for that family, the loss of their son may be the end of their world and I can only imagine their heartache.
Message edited 3/21/2008 3:04:20 PM.
|
| Posted 3/21/08 2:37 PM |
| |
|
leighdvm
My golden boys!
Member since 3/06 4419 total posts
Name:
Michele
|
Re: John White Sentence
Posted by bomb-blast
Posted by Goobster
Posted by bomb-blast
Yes, a lot.
I know this.Those are the people you don't want to piss off.
We ALL know people like this in our neighborhoods, in our lives.
And sometimes they snap and the underlying issues hit the fan, come to the surface. And you don't want to deal with them if you can avoid it, let alone take the brunt of it, that's for sure.
Dano didn't know it...oh well, life goes on for the rest of us..
Right, so Dano paid the price for Mr. White's issues (ticking time bomb reference).
And now Mr. White should pay a lot longer than 2-4 years.
Sounds to me you are implying this man deserved to die for what he said?
Sounds to me like you don't know how to read OR you read way too much into things.
No need for the insults, just because someone doesn't agree with you.
|
| Posted 3/21/08 2:38 PM |
| |
|
kahlua716
3 Girls for Me!
Member since 8/07 12475 total posts
Name:
Keri
|
Re: John White Sentence
Posted by Ophelia
you are telling me that you would just sit on your tuffet and let them break in...if they tried to...
Trying to break in is another story- If it had gotten that far, I'd be on Mr. White's side 100%.
|
| Posted 3/21/08 2:38 PM |
| |
|
Porrruss
Nya nya nya
Member since 5/05 11618 total posts
Name:
Amy
|
Re: John White Sentence
Posted by kahlua716
Posted by Ophelia
you are telling me that you would just sit on your tuffet and let them break in...if they tried to...
Trying to break in is another story- If it had gotten that far, I'd be on Mr. White's side 100%.
Perhaps Mr. White didn't want to wait around for that to happen? IMO, the man was obviously panicked- this was not a calculated event on his part.
I think we all really need to agree to disagree on this point.
I'm impressed it stayed as civil as it did.....
|
| Posted 3/21/08 2:40 PM |
| |
|
MsSissy
xoxoxo
Member since 3/07 39159 total posts
Name:
|
Re: John White Sentence
Posted by Porrruss
I think we all really need to agree to disagree on this point.
I'm impressed it stayed as civil as it did.....
I agree on both points.
OK NOW I'm done
|
| Posted 3/21/08 2:42 PM |
| |
|
bomb-blast
bye bye
Member since 11/06 1327 total posts
Name:
Leo
|
Re: John White Sentence
No need for the insults, just because someone doesn't agree with you.
That wasn't an insult...it was my interpretation...that's what this entire thread has become..
ETA: I love your avatar..seriously. I wish that little paper clip would show up at my doorstep. HE truly is annoying.
Message edited 3/21/2008 2:46:52 PM.
|
| Posted 3/21/08 2:43 PM |
| |
|
kahlua716
3 Girls for Me!
Member since 8/07 12475 total posts
Name:
Keri
|
Re: John White Sentence
No I'm not saying intentionally- but that's what happened. It is VERY possible that it COULD happen when you run outside waving a loaded gun.
Maybe he did just want to scare him, but then it should have been locked.
He could have been more responsible in so many ways.
|
| Posted 3/21/08 2:47 PM |
| |
|
kahlua716
3 Girls for Me!
Member since 8/07 12475 total posts
Name:
Keri
|
Re: John White Sentence
Posted by bomb-blast
Posted by Ophelia
so, you think that he INTENTIONALLY shot this boy in the face...looked at him, and pulled the trigger...shooting him b/c he threatened his child?
that goes against what everyone is saying happened. WHERE ON EARTH DID ANYONE say it was ok?
seriously
stop it, ophelia. please do. ignorance is bliss, don't you know?
]
Just because I have a different viewpoint doesn't make me ignorant. That's not fair.
Maybe he didn't do it on purpose- but it doesn't change the fact that someone was killed.
I agree 100% with his charge of manslaughter (as opposed to murder). But I think the sentence was a bit light.
Message edited 3/21/2008 2:49:49 PM.
|
| Posted 3/21/08 2:49 PM |
| |
|
leighdvm
My golden boys!
Member since 3/06 4419 total posts
Name:
Michele
|
Re: John White Sentence
Posted by bomb-blast
No need for the insults, just because someone doesn't agree with you.
That wasn't an insult...it was my interpretation...that's what this entire thread has become..
ETA: I love your avatar..seriously. I wish that little paper clip would show up at my doorstep. HE truly is annoying.
I don't even think you'd have to do jail time for "clip murder" 
|
| Posted 3/21/08 2:50 PM |
| |
|
MarisaK
HELLO Manolo !!
Member since 5/06 14562 total posts
Name:
Marisa
|
Re: John White Sentence
Posted by Beth1210
no I don't agree- regardless of what this kid and his friends were doing- they were unarmed and to shot unarmed person on your lawn is murder
that's what the police are for-
ITA
|
| Posted 3/21/08 2:56 PM |
| |
|
newday21608
LIF Toddler
Member since 2/08 381 total posts
Name:
|
Re: John White Sentence
Posted by kahlua716
Posted by newday21608
i find it LAUGHABLE that so many whites think that a white man shooting at a black mob would have received more time than john white.. when white cops shooting at unarmed black men have walked away scott free for years. matter of fact.. bernard goetz shot unarmed black teens in the mid 90's and walked away scott free.. and there you have it a mob of black teens harassing and menacing a white man and he pulled out a gun and shot.. and served NO TIME.. and to make matters worse, he wasn't even ON his OWN property. he was in a subway..
i find it laughable that someone would think that only white adults are racist and that because white teens embrace the hip hop culture at their local mall that therefore there is no racism.. uh.. where do white adults come from? they come from white teens.. oh and that there are no neonazi, racist organizations on long island in 2008.. yeah sure..
i find it laughable that folks would seriously sit and say that if a mob of teens came to their house in the middle of the night demanding their child come outside so he can be beat that they'd sit in their house and wait on the police.. that right there is beyond laughable it is HYSTERICAL.. i wish i WOULD sit in my house and wait for the police when someone is calling my child outside to be beaten by a MOB.. not one or even two but a MOB..
the only injustice in this is that 1. a family is ruined because the head of that family was doing what he is charged to do.. protect his family 2. a family is ruined because a son was not taught u don't go to people's houses at night to pull kids out of bed to fight.. 3. two families were ruined because one little fast pants girl decided to tell a lie.. hmm where is HER culpability in all of this.. and 4. the rest of that mob was not charged or even addressed outside of the judge when she rendered her decision..
To address your points:
- I don't think that anyone, black or white, should be able to walk away with no sentence OR a lenient sentence after killing someone
-Yes, I WOULD'VE called the cops and waited in my house. I would never go out as ONE person and defend myself against a large group of people (I suppose that would make me a bad parent and make you laugh.) That's just stupid. He could've protected his son by calling the cops.
-I agree that the victim acted irresponsibly and that his upbringing is probably to blame- he needs ethics classes and maybe a stint in a juvenile facility, not a bullet in the face.
-I agree that his friends should've been charged, and the girl should get in trouble.
This is not about race- it's about intelligence (don't go to someone's house with a group of people threatening...don't try to face a threatening group of people with a loaded unlocked weapon unless you are ready to face the consequences) and its about the need for stronger Gun Control laws so people don't take the law into their own hands.
Its LAUGHABLE to me that you think its ok to defend a THREAT against your child by shooting another CHILD in the face.
so should i wait until the threat becomes real? if my child wakes me up in the middle of the night and says mommy or to my husband daddy they're coming to kill me.. yes i might brush him or her off.. i might even turn over and go back to sleep.. UNTIL i hear and see the group of kids on my lawn yelling for him to come out.. oh okay.. now sh*t done got real.. and NOW i'm pulling out a .35, a .45 , ad shotgun, a tech9 and a hand grenade if i have to in order to defend my son, my daughter, my wife, my family and my property..
i didn't say you're a bad parent...if you choose to sit in the house with the lights off hiding, waiting on the police then by all means do you!
|
| Posted 3/21/08 4:58 PM |
| |
|
| Pages: << 6 7 8 [9] 10 |
