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Re: Did we discuss the Penn State scandal? (includes Grand Jury Report)
Posted by Deedlebugs
My DH's friend just wrote this on his FB wall
The amount of phone calls, texts, FB messages, and emails I've been getting about Penn State is crazy. Here's all I gotta say about the situation. It's horrible. I have always had INSANE pride in my college, but at this point there's nothing for me to be proud of. I'll never NOT be a Nittany Lion. I just hope someday I can be PROUD that I am.
YES YES YES
I have some Penn State friends too, disgusted about this whole thing...grad student friends there who have kids and are sick about this whole thing. And I can tell you they ARE NOT out there rallying for Joe Pa 
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Re: Did we discuss the Penn State scandal? (includes Grand Jury Report)
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Yep, BTK killer was a BOY SCOUT TROUP leader...active church member.
Ted Bundy worked on a teen phone line, helping them through their problems
And there are tons of others...
One good deed does not erase the evil doing
Don't talk badly about my ice cream buddies! 
  
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Re: Did we discuss the Penn State scandal? (includes Grand Jury Report)
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Wuss.
mrsBLT, honestly, it disturbs me that you can't see that what you posted implies that the students and alumni of Penn State see THEMSELVES as the victims, and not the poor CHILDREN who were sexually abused. You're making it about YOU and not the REAL victims.
I don't care if you (the general you) got your PhD there and now your "reputation" is tarnished. Sandusky ruined the lives of many young boys. Your degree means NOTHING to me in the light of these events.
i don't see myself or anyone that went to penn state as a victim. i see the children as victims. i don't support anyone that had anything to do with any of this, including joe paterno and all of the penn state staff that knew. but i do still support penn state, the educational institution that gave me opportunities i wouldn't have had otherwise.
this is an ONLINE forum. you can't HEAR the way i say things, so maybe you misinterpreted the way i meant things to come across. it's an online forum - if you think i'm selfish, disgusting, self righteous, whatever then don't read my posts, but ftr i am none of those things and do not condone or support anything that happened to those children.
I didn't have to HEAR anything. Whether you wrote it or not, by posting it, you attached your name to it.
Exactly how did you mean for that Hoo Rah Penn State if-you're-not-a-stater-you-just-don't-get-it to come across? Were you implying that you were MORE affected by this than other people? (victim mentality) Or were you implying that you can see why this was covered up because of the institutional mentality? (which is disturbing) I guess I'm just not seeing what the point of the whole shpiel was.
no those posts were meant to respond to posts about how anyone be anything but happy that joe paterno was fired. they were meant to express the confusion, disgust, disbelief, and SADNESS that many people are feeling.
i don't need to defend myself or my posts. i know what i meant by them and so do other people that have been fming me. just because some people on here think i'm disgusting and pathetic for posting things i feel, doesn't mean i'm a monster. i don't support anything that happened to those boys. period. bottom line.
I'm not asking you to defend but obviously I'm not the only one who is questioning it and the implications associated with it.
I always love hearing about secret FMs. I am trying to remain mostly respectful here, though this issue infuriates me to no end, so why won't these secret FMers come forward and post their (mostly respectful) points of view?
some of them already have.
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Re: Did we discuss the Penn State scandal? (includes Grand Jury Report)
Posted by jodi714
I'll probably get flamed for this but whatever.
I went to Penn State. I am horrified about what has happened from the abuse to the coverups to the riots. I agree 100% with the firing of Joe Paterno and everyone else. I am
disgusted that Mike McQueary is coaching on Saturday. I am so sad for those boys and their families.
That all being said, I am going to make a (very poor and unequal comparison). My Ex-husband cheated on me. I was with him since I was in high school (15 years). I trusted him 100%. I never once doubted his loyalty to me and our DD until the day he walked and I found out he was cheating. 2.5 years later, I am still trying to reconcile how the man I loved and trusted with my whole heart could be a man who cheats on his wife and walks out on his daughter. People on the outside have a much easier time calling him an A$$hole and calling it a day, but for me, I am angry for what he did but it takes time to integrate it into my view of him.
This is what is happening for many Penn State students, staff and alumni. We are trying to understand how a man who had appeared to be so incredibly positively influential for over 60 years could act (or not act) in this way. It doesn't mean we agree or sympathize and are not ANGRY and DISGUSTED, it just means we have a host of complicated emotions and not nearly as clear cut for someone on the outside.
It is also very hard because the horrible (in)actions of several men are overshadowing all of the amazing things that happen at Penn State and that hurts. I know that it is insignificant compared to the abuse and pain that the boys experienced. Im not trying to compare but rather just explain why this is so difficult on many levels.
Yesterday was not only the day Joe Paterno was fired but it marked 100 days to THON, a 48 hour dance marathon. Most people don't know what THON is but it is the largest student run philanthropy in the country (probably world now) and is 100% student run. Last year the student's raised nearly $10 Million for children with cancer at Hershey Medical Center. This is a HUGE event that has grown tenfold (no exaggeration) since I was a freshman in the spring of 1996. Over the years, it has probably raised nearly $100 million. This event was a formative part of my college experience. I fundraised with my sorority and danced as a senior. I wish Penn State was in the news yesterday for the coutdown to this amazing event but instead it was for this tragedy.
The entire thing is a travesty. 
I'm sorry about what you went through with EX-FH and I know you did state you were making a poor comparison, but it really is a very poor comparison and should not be equated with Children being raped. Finding out your ex-fh is cheating and taking a long time to wrap your head around it is not the same thing at all as finding out people in a school raped innocent children and covered it up. There is no issue for anyone to wrap there heads around. It is wrong. Period.
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Re: Did we discuss the Penn State scandal? (includes Grand Jury Report)
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I'll probably get flamed for this but whatever.
I went to Penn State. I am horrified about what has happened from the abuse to the coverups to the riots. I agree 100% with the firing of Joe Paterno and everyone else. I am
disgusted that Mike McQueary is coaching on Saturday. I am so sad for those boys and their families.
That all being said, I am going to make a (very poor and unequal comparison). My Ex-husband cheated on me. I was with him since I was in high school (15 years). I trusted him 100%. I never once doubted his loyalty to me and our DD until the day he walked and I found out he was cheating. 2.5 years later, I am still trying to reconcile how the man I loved and trusted with my whole heart could be a man who cheats on his wife and walks out on his daughter. People on the outside have a much easier time calling him an A$$hole and calling it a day, but for me, I am angry for what he did but it takes time to integrate it into my view of him.
This is what is happening for many Penn State students, staff and alumni. We are trying to understand how a man who had appeared to be so incredibly positively influential for over 60 years could act (or not act) in this way. It doesn't mean we agree or sympathize and are not ANGRY and DISGUSTED, it just means we have a host of complicated emotions and not nearly as clear cut for someone on the outside.
It is also very hard because the horrible (in)actions of several men are overshadowing all of the amazing things that happen at Penn State and that hurts. I know that it is insignificant compared to the abuse and pain that the boys experienced. Im not trying to compare but rather just explain why this is so difficult on many levels.
Yesterday was not only the day Joe Paterno was fired but it marked 100 days to THON, a 48 hour dance marathon. Most people don't know what THON is but it is the largest student run philanthropy in the country (probably world now) and is 100% student run. Last year the student's raised nearly $10 Million for children with cancer at Hershey Medical Center. This is a HUGE event that has grown tenfold (no exaggeration) since I was a freshman in the spring of 1996. Over the years, it has probably raised nearly $100 million. This event was a formative part of my college experience. I fundraised with my sorority and danced as a senior. I wish Penn State was in the news yesterday for the coutdown to this amazing event but instead it was for this tragedy.
The entire thing is a travesty.
I know about THON and this has nothing to do with it. Again its about the poor defenseless boys that were RAPED. Not about your beloved school or your ex-husband. The fact that people keep writing how great the school is on the thread about the abused victims means ish.
If I was a PS alumni, I'd be disgusted with the fact that the school I loved was involved with this abuse and cover up. And THAT'S what this is about. Not how Joe Pa gave kids ice cream. How THON raises money. How the school spirit is huge there.
it's about the VICTIMS, being those boys. The victims aren't Penn State students and their complicated feelings over the issue.
wow. I guess you didn't read that I am disgusted and that I am glad joe pa was fired. I didn't say a word about school spirit and I certainly didn't make this about my ex.
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Re: Did we discuss the Penn State scandal? (includes Grand Jury Report)
Posted by jlm2008
Posted by jodi714
I'll probably get flamed for this but whatever.
I went to Penn State. I am horrified about what has happened from the abuse to the coverups to the riots. I agree 100% with the firing of Joe Paterno and everyone else. I am
disgusted that Mike McQueary is coaching on Saturday. I am so sad for those boys and their families.
That all being said, I am going to make a (very poor and unequal comparison). My Ex-husband cheated on me. I was with him since I was in high school (15 years). I trusted him 100%. I never once doubted his loyalty to me and our DD until the day he walked and I found out he was cheating. 2.5 years later, I am still trying to reconcile how the man I loved and trusted with my whole heart could be a man who cheats on his wife and walks out on his daughter. People on the outside have a much easier time calling him an A$$hole and calling it a day, but for me, I am angry for what he did but it takes time to integrate it into my view of him.
This is what is happening for many Penn State students, staff and alumni. We are trying to understand how a man who had appeared to be so incredibly positively influential for over 60 years could act (or not act) in this way. It doesn't mean we agree or sympathize and are not ANGRY and DISGUSTED, it just means we have a host of complicated emotions and not nearly as clear cut for someone on the outside.
It is also very hard because the horrible (in)actions of several men are overshadowing all of the amazing things that happen at Penn State and that hurts. I know that it is insignificant compared to the abuse and pain that the boys experienced. Im not trying to compare but rather just explain why this is so difficult on many levels.
Yesterday was not only the day Joe Paterno was fired but it marked 100 days to THON, a 48 hour dance marathon. Most people don't know what THON is but it is the largest student run philanthropy in the country (probably world now) and is 100% student run. Last year the student's raised nearly $10 Million for children with cancer at Hershey Medical Center. This is a HUGE event that has grown tenfold (no exaggeration) since I was a freshman in the spring of 1996. Over the years, it has probably raised nearly $100 million. This event was a formative part of my college experience. I fundraised with my sorority and danced as a senior. I wish Penn State was in the news yesterday for the coutdown to this amazing event but instead it was for this tragedy.
The entire thing is a travesty.
I'm sorry about what you went through with EX-FH and I know you did state you were making a poor comparison, but it really is a very poor comparison and should not be equated with Children being raped. Finding out your ex-fh is cheating and taking a long time to wrap your head around it is not the same thing at all as finding out people in a school raped innocent children and covered it up. There is no issue for anyone to wrap there heads around. It is wrong. Period.
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Re: Did we discuss the Penn State scandal? (includes Grand Jury Report)
Posted by LadyBugN2Buggies
Why do I get the feeling if this was another school - like for example, SUNY Binghamton or something - that the students wouldn't come off this...self-entitled? self-concerned? image-concerned? I can't think of the right word. Does anyone get a sense of what I'm trying to say but can't eloquently explain?
Just my own observation, and not just here, but also by reading other outlets and comments, etc.
If it was at Binghamton, I would be outraged too since I am an alum..but Binghamton doesnt define itself by football as much as Penn State does..lets face it, the reason the investigation stalled decades ago was because Penn State cared more about money and their rep. A large percentage of the school's funding comes from their sports programs, and they have a strong sphere of influence in that field...anything like "little boys being raped" coming out would mean instant negative media attention, and I am pretty sure more people knew about it than those whose names are being smeared all over the news now...
Whats really frightening about this is how many OTHER colleges have coaches doing the same thing but have not yet been caught? These people are our neighbors, our family, friends, etc...this Paturno character just proves that evil happens right under our noses and authorities let it slide because of fear of negative publicity.
(Sorry for typos, i cant edit on my ipad)
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Re: Did we discuss the Penn State scandal? (includes Grand Jury Report)
Posted by headoverheels
I always love hearing about secret FMs. I am trying to remain mostly respectful here, though this issue infuriates me to no end, so why won't these secret FMers come forward and post their (mostly respectful) points of view?
I assume that ALL secret FMs, regardless of the thread topic, just say "Be sure to drink your Ovaltine."
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Re: Did we discuss the Penn State scandal? (includes Grand Jury Report)
Posted by neenie
Posted by headoverheels
I always love hearing about secret FMs. I am trying to remain mostly respectful here, though this issue infuriates me to no end, so why won't these secret FMers come forward and post their (mostly respectful) points of view?
I assume that ALL secret FMs, regardless of the thread topic, just say "Be sure to drink your Ovaltine."
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Re: Did we discuss the Penn State scandal? (includes Grand Jury Report)
Posted by neenie
Posted by headoverheels
I always love hearing about secret FMs. I am trying to remain mostly respectful here, though this issue infuriates me to no end, so why won't these secret FMers come forward and post their (mostly respectful) points of view?
I assume that ALL secret FMs, regardless of the thread topic, just say "Be sure to drink your Ovaltine."
FTW!
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Re: Did we discuss the Penn State scandal? (includes Grand Jury Report)
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Posted by headoverheels
I always love hearing about secret FMs. I am trying to remain mostly respectful here, though this issue infuriates me to no end, so why won't these secret FMers come forward and post their (mostly respectful) points of view?
I assume that ALL secret FMs, regardless of the thread topic, just say "Be sure to drink your Ovaltine."
OMG DONT TELL!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Re: Did we discuss the Penn State scandal? (includes Grand Jury Report)
Posted by mrsBLT
i agree with you, bad sadly the media has made it about penn state. when is the last time you heard a news report on this saying anything about jerry sandusky or those 9 children? everything is about penn state, graham spanier, joe paterno and mike mcqueary.
but see... that's what you don't seem to understand... you are all nothing but a granfalloon and "JoePa" is your wampeter...
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Re: Did we discuss the Penn State scandal? (includes Grand Jury Report)
I have a feeling nothing will happen to Penn State's football program which is ridiculous...
The NCAA has no problem derailing black athletes for selling their school trinklets for tattoos, but a legendary defensive Coach molest rapes little boys...nothing happens.
The NCAA will claim it's not in the jurisdiction of their rules.
I also think of the Baylor case where one athlete murdered another athlete and the coach tried to cover it up. Paterno *may* have covered up for Sandusky. Bliss (coach at Baylor) tried to cover the murder. Both coaches tried to cover serious felonies and only Bliss was punished (so far).
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Re: Did we discuss the Penn State scandal? (includes Grand Jury Report)
This whole story is truly sickening. I am sure there are many many other people involved in the coverup. I have a feeling we are going to be hearing about this for a loooong time.
Posted by smdl
It really does not matter what school it is. Really! It does not.
And crying for the school itself and it's reputation, reputation of students, is COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT to this tragedy.
EXACTLY!!!!
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I always love hearing about secret FMs. I am trying to remain mostly respectful here, though this issue infuriates me to no end, so why won't these secret FMers come forward and post their (mostly respectful) points of view?
Secret FMers do exist! It happened to me a few weeks ago.  I swear! It is the lurkers!
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Re: Did we discuss the Penn State scandal? (includes Grand Jury Report)
This is the first time I am reading this thread. To be honest, up until today, i thought when people were talking about the Penn State scandal, I thought it REALLY had to do with football and wasnt paying attention
While I have not read this entire thread (I'm up to page 7) I felt that something in the Grand Jury statement is very telling with regard to what Paterno knew:
"Victim 4 remembers Sandusky being emotionally upset after having a meeting with Joe Paterno in which Paterno told Sandusky he would not be the next head coach at Penn State and which proceeded Sandusky's retirement. Sandusky told Victim 4 not to tell anyone about the meeting. That meeting occurred in may, 1999"
Sad to say but I really believe Paterno and other knew. Listen, adults KNOW what is appropriate and inappropriate behavior. I know first hand what presidents of schools will do to protect the reputation of their universities. Everyday women are encouraged to "keep quiet" about crimes that occur on campus.
DS is 2 and this whole thread makes my stomach lurch and my skin crawl. No one wants to rock the boat. No one wants to lose their job. Easy to say, well I followed the chain of command...we're not talking about seeing someone take $20 from petty cash....
Those poor poor little boys. I cry for each of them especially for the way all these men failed them
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Re: Did we discuss the Penn State scandal? (includes Grand Jury Report)
When I hear stories like this it really makes me question people..it is so disgusting that so many people can't be trusted..it makes me wonder how many other stories are covered up.. Did anyone see the Oprah episode uncovering sexual abuse they looked at grown men that had been abused when younger..by stepfather..other family members etc..there were a huge amount of men stepping forward..it as very disturbing.. I think especially boys are probably so ashamed and embarrased or scared to tell anyone if anything inappropriate is going on.. also prob scared people might call them gay
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Re: Did we discuss the Penn State scandal? (includes Grand Jury Report)
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Posted by KennysMommy
Thanks for posting - I just read all 23 pages. I am DISGUSTED!!!
But one question kept popping in my head: How and why were young boys allowed to be ALONE with this man? In his car? Sleeping over his house? In the locker room? That part still boggles my mind. I would NEVER let DS go ANYWHERE with a man alone. I don't care WHO he is! Why were they allowed? I'm not blaming parents, but I'm just shocked he was given that opportunity on so many occasions!
He founded a charity for underprivileged children.... Unfortunately these children probably didn't have anyone really caring for them to begin with...
Which makes it even more sad!
SICK.... absolutely sick.
I agree it makes me even more sad also because these poor boys had nobody looking out for them.. and were craving a father figure..and people prob thought what a great guy for helping these boys out...I DON"T TRUST ANYONE
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Re: Did we discuss the Penn State scandal? (includes Grand Jury Report)
Posted by colette
I never heard the name "Joe Paterno" before this week.
So the dude may be an icon in PA, at Penn State, hey maybe even in the entire universe of SPORTS.
But to millions of people like me who've never heard of him... he's a moron, a sc*mbag, and a goddamned fool.
I agree..I had no idea who he was
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Re: Did we discuss the Penn State scandal? (includes Grand Jury Report)
Sandusky has 6 adopted children and foster children..I'm sure they were abused also.. gross everyone must have thought what a great guy he started a charity and adopted kids...sick nobody can be trusted. I wonder if his wife knew what was going on
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Re: Did we discuss the Penn State scandal? (includes Grand Jury Report)
I think anyone defending the school, coach. Whoever having to do with it is wrong. I dont care what it was, or has been for 60 years. What it is now, is a place of horror. What was done to those kids, and what was covered up, slipped under the rug or whatever is disgusting.
There should be a punishment for ALL involved. That school while tarnished, will have a chance to build back up its reputation. Those kids that had their innocence stollen from them wont.
Thats the shame. Not a super great ice cream sharing coach getting fired.
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Re: Did we discuss the Penn State scandal? (includes Grand Jury Report)
A caller to a radio show said it best:
Paterno MAY have done what he was OBLIGATED to do but what he SHOULD have done was DO what he WOULD have done if he was told it was HIS CHILD that was being RAPED !
disgrazia
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Re: Did we discuss the Penn State scandal? (includes Grand Jury Report)
Am I the only non-Penn Stater that gets why they are feeling crushed by this? That their beloved alma mater was involved in a devastating, horrifying scandal? How someone you admire could disappoint you to the level it did? There is no question that it is about the victims but, of course people are going to feel fallout from this on a personal level.
I spent a summer working in an orphanage in Mexico. Most of the kids weren't truly orphans but chldren from the prostitutes from Guadalajara. We worked our fingers to the bone, bricklaying, teaching these kids,going over homework, cooking for 129 kids I felt like I was a part of something. I could honestly say that the orphanage gave those kids a chance at a better life. They were taught trades, they were taught how to manage their money, create savings accounts,etc. We built a ranch & a bakery that helped support & feed those children. The kids that worked on the ranch went on to own their own ranches & businesses, raise their own families.
A few years ago, I was thinking about the orphanage, the nuns I worked with & the kids that I was so attached to so I googled it. I was sickened to see that the priest & founder of the orphanage - a man I met & admired - had been accused of abusing children. Whether it's true or not, I don't know He wasn't convicted, he claimed it was political (his colleague was gunned down & our water was turned off by the government when we were there even though one of us saw he had paid the bill. He had to bribe someone to get it back on). He was lauded by Cardinal O'Connor after returning to the States.
If the charges were true, I would want him strung up for slow death. I was crushed that a person I admired could have done such a thing. Someone I believed in. I don't know what to believe happened but I do know that I still believe in the underlying principles that were established in that orphanage. To make a difference in other people's lives, to help the less fortunate & to value every child. Even if some POS priest may not have followed the values he established. Does my personal disappointment & feeling of being crushed mean that I don't care about the victims?
Yes it was about the victims but it doesn't make it less personal to those that have a personal connection to the school. I see why Penn Staters would feel adrift & devastation personally. I don't think that they think their personal disappointments trump the tragedy of the victims. I'm surprised at how everyone is attacking them.
I do think that the open letter does come off as condescending with its first line of how we (the general public) could not understand. But I'm trying to look past it to see the rest of the message in it because it does have some value. And to answer the question, if this was a SUNY school, a small private college somewhere else, I believe the alumni would feel just as bad. It would just be a smaller story.
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Re: Did we discuss the Penn State scandal? (includes Grand Jury Report)
Posted by EclecticEsq10810
Posted by LadyBugN2Buggies
Why do I get the feeling if this was another school - like for example, SUNY Binghamton or something - that the students wouldn't come off this...self-entitled? self-concerned? image-concerned? I can't think of the right word. Does anyone get a sense of what I'm trying to say but can't eloquently explain?
Just my own observation, and not just here, but also by reading other outlets and comments, etc.
If it was at Binghamton, I would be outraged too since I am an alum..but Binghamton doesnt define itself by football as much as Penn State does..lets face it, the reason the investigation stalled decades ago was because Penn State cared more about money and their rep. A large percentage of the school's funding comes from their sports programs, and they have a strong sphere of influence in that field...anything like "little boys being raped" coming out would mean instant negative media attention, and I am pretty sure more people knew about it than those whose names are being smeared all over the news now...
Whats really frightening about this is how many OTHER colleges have coaches doing the same thing but have not yet been caught? These people are our neighbors, our family, friends, etc...this Paturno character just proves that evil happens right under our noses and authorities let it slide because of fear of negative publicity.
(Sorry for typos, i cant edit on my ipad)
Exactly.
There's got to be a reason that Stardusky wasn't offered any other coaching positions after his "retirement". Doesn't that seem a little strange? Of that if it was just "horsing around" in the shower, why was he "forbidden" to bring children on campus or have his keys removed? They knew...they all knew but they didn't want to tarnish the reputation or hurt the $$$ funneling in.
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Re: Did we discuss the Penn State scandal? (includes Grand Jury Report)
Posted by nrthshgrl
Am I the only non-Penn Stater that gets why they are feeling crushed by this? That their beloved alma mater was involved in a devastating, horrifying scandal? How someone you admire could disappoint you to the level it did? There is no question that it is about the victims but, of course people are going to feel fallout from this on a personal level.
I spent a summer working in an orphanage in Mexico. Most of the kids weren't truly orphans but chldren from the prostitutes from Guadalajara. We worked our fingers to the bone, bricklaying, teaching these kids,going over homework, cooking for 129 kids I felt like I was a part of something. I could honestly say that the orphanage gave those kids a chance at a better life. They were taught trades, they were taught how to manage their money, create savings accounts,etc. We built a ranch & a bakery that helped support & feed those children. The kids that worked on the ranch went on to own their own ranches & businesses, raise their own families.
A few years ago, I was thinking about the orphanage, the nuns I worked with & the kids that I was so attached to so I googled it. I was sickened to see that the priest & founder of the orphanage - a man I met & admired - had been accused of abusing children. Whether it's true or not, I don't know He wasn't convicted, he claimed it was political (his colleague was gunned down & our water was turned off by the government when we were there even though one of us saw he had paid the bill. He had to bribe someone to get it back on). He was lauded by Cardinal O'Connor after returning to the States.
If the charges were true, I would want him strung up for slow death. I was crushed that a person I admired could have done such a thing. Someone I believed in. I don't know what to believe happened but I do know that I still believe in the underlying principles that were established in that orphanage. To make a difference in other people's lives, to help the less fortunate & to value every child. Even if some POS priest may not have followed the values he established. Does my personal disappointment & feeling of being crushed mean that I don't care about the victims?
Yes it was about the victims but it doesn't make it less personal to those that have a personal connection to the school. I see why Penn Staters would feel adrift & devastation personally. I don't think that they think their personal disappointments trump the tragedy of the victims. I'm surprised at how everyone is attacking them.
I do think that the open letter does come off as condescending with its first line of how we (the general public) could not understand. But I'm trying to look past it to see the rest of the message in it because it does have some value. And to answer the question, if this was a SUNY school, a small private college somewhere else, I believe the alumni would feel just as bad. It would just be a smaller story.
I agree 1000%. I don't understand how their feelings of devastation and disillusionment aren't understandable or how they take away from the outrage they must also feel for the victims (as many have said they do.) One of my best friends went to Penn State, and he is fully in support of firing Paterno and each and every person involved in the scandal, but he is also devastated that the school he loves is involved in something so horrific. What happened there infuriates me, but if it had happened at my own school, the emotions would of course be more complicated. How is that not normal? How does that take away from anything else?
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| Posted 11/11/11 8:16 AM |
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nrthshgrl
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Re: Did we discuss the Penn State scandal? (includes Grand Jury Report)
Posted by CookiePuss
There's got to be a reason that Stardusky wasn't offered any other coaching positions after his "retirement". Doesn't that seem a little strange? Of that if it was just "horsing around" in the shower, why was he "forbidden" to bring children on campus or have his keys removed? They knew...they all knew but they didn't want to tarnish the reputation or hurt the $$$ funneling in.
My husband & I were discussing this last night. We were trying to figure out the mindset of Joe Paterno. Here you have your friend for decades, who you thought was a good person, accused of molesting children. You've met the kids over the years - including the ones he adopted, he describes it as horsing around in the shower (still highly inappropriate). You know stories have a life of their own & can destroy even someone who was innocent. You brush that under the table as he probably was horsing around? Do you tell him to be smart, that it's inappropriate & could be misconstured?
Later you get another report. Now you're thinking holy crap my friend could be a child molestor? You don't want to touch it with a 10 foot pole so you "follow procedure" even though you're the one that has been calling the shots for decades. You have your underlings (although technically higher than you) handle it. They tell your friend not to bring kids on campus so you think he'll straighten up & never do something like it again?
I have a hard time believing that it was all about football. I cannot fathom Joe Paterno or anyone would think "go ahead molest kids - just don't do it on campus"? What was the though process here? Sandusky, his wife & his friend called a victim right before he was testifying for the grand jury? What the F?
Message edited 11/11/2011 8:19:14 AM.
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