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Ritse
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Re: I really have to ask...
Honestly, these things have to exist. Even in the America of today, majority of the magazines (cosmo, lucky or whatever have you) do not speak to me or for me as a black woman. 80% of most of the pages are beauty products and hairstyles and what have you BUT they do not work for me. I cannot use the tips or copy the hairstyles not because I don’t like them but they just would work for my skin or my hair. So black magazines and such have to exist.
In the argument that majority of things are not geared towards white America, I ask that you take this website, more specifically celebrity gossip because it is not our personal lives. It covers white Hollywood mainly. There are many major black, latino and other stars that have never graced this site. I don't think it's a slight towards minorities but the audience isn't on this site. If I need news on Black Hollywood, there are other websites I would visit that caters to that.
Again, I believe that until everything is inclusive of EVERYBODY equally, things that cater to a specific group have to exist.
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mrswask
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Re: I really have to ask...
Posted by Shelly
Here is the thing IMO. I think the best way to describe is is that people assume that someone/something is for white chirstians unless specified otherwise. Minorities, by the mere fact that they are minority, have more leeway to advertise their differences than the majority. Also, ones minority status becomes more of an issue in media and such than someone's white christian status.
Being Jewish, I can speak from that perspective. The fact is, (and I have seen it on this board), people just assume that most people here are Christian. For example, there was post a few weeks ago, "how often do you go to church"- not "how often do you go to religious services." Please note I was not AT ALL OFFENDED by this. But it is evidence of the way that the majority in this country thing- that most people here are like them.
ETA: So that is why something like BET is considered acceptable by society. Because most people assume that the other 100 channels are geared towards white people.
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| Posted 10/17/07 6:01 PM |
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MrsFlatbread
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Re: I really have to ask...
Posted by sticklee
why, as a society, are we still trying to compensate for things that happened decades ago?
if today, any race can enter Miss America, then why is it necessary to also have an exclusively black Miss America?
there will always be racist pigs in this country, who will discriminate against blacks, whites, jews, catholics, fats, thins, etc. BUT at a national level, there are many measures and committees in place to eliminate discrimination (sports, education, employment, etc.)
by allowing only minority populations to have their own dating sites, pageants, scholarships, etc., we are only perpetuating the separation of races
Right on! Totally agree with everything you said. Let the past be something we learn from, not perpetuate!!
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| Posted 10/17/07 6:23 PM |
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BabyBoy
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Re: I really have to ask...
with only reading a few pages...
there are markets for everything...everybody seems to be talking about minorites, race, etc... that is reasonable and prehaps your right to say... but
What about the the right of a person to have a product that is geared towards a certain person or thing?
Match and Eharmony probally have filters if you are looking for a black, spanish, etc.. you would want to date..
Things in this country will only appear to be racist only if people first thought it, this is not PC or your a racist S.O.B...
Not everything is about race..(this is not taking away from the issue of race)
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Jax430
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Re: I really have to ask...
Posted by mommy2bella
But it did conjure up the thought of how WHITESINGLES.COM would go in the same 3 story by 2 story type of advertisement in the middle of Times Square, NY.
Thoughts?
I just read through this whole thread, and agree wholeheartedly with the points made by Shelly and Beth.
To answer the original question, a whitesingles.com billboard would cause an major uproar because it would be PERCEIVED as a racist/white supremecist thing, no matter what the actual intent, as would Miss White USA, etc.
I was going to add more, but it would just be redundant.
Great debate ladies - sorry I missed it!
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| Posted 10/17/07 7:05 PM |
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mrswask
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Re: I really have to ask...
I think websites like blacksingles or JDATE actually provide a good service. Everyone keeps talking about majority and minority - but the reality is that white christians make up the majority population in this country - Jdate and blacksingles provide an outlet for people to find others like themselves, I think, quicker that if they went on match.com, etc. That's not to say that I think there are no black or Jewish people or Latino people, etc on match.com, but you're going to find more people on a website that is catering to a specific religion, cultural, or racial group. I don't think there's anything wrong with that at all.
May not seem a big deal in NY or a major city that is much more diverse, but what about the Jewish person or the Black person living out in the midwest? I definitely would hone in on a website specific to my culture/religion (if that's who I was looking to date) because you have a better chance of finding someone.
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PrincessP
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Re: I really have to ask...
Like everyone else, I only read a page or 2 but I think there are things specified as"Christian" like Christian/catholic dances, retreats etc...
I dont think whitesingles.com could exist bc it is too narrow of a topic anyhow. Whitesingles.com can be broken down into many sectors in itself. I dont really have a problem with the various groups like "jdate.com, or blacksingles.com I think it is geared towards a certain group in fact I am sure there probably does exist a christianssingle.com. I will have to google it 
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SweetestOfPeas
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Re: I really have to ask...
I thought a lot about this thread since this afternoon, so I did a few searches when I got home from work.
Looks like the entire contents of this thread might be moot point
All White Dating.com
Christian Date.com
1 more
Italian Connection.com
if I were single, I would be excluded from 2 of these 3 sites, UNEQUIVOCALLY. never in a million years would it ever occur to me to complain about it.
in addition, it is our constitutional RIGHT as Americans to assemble with whomever we please. in other words, it is UN-American to tell people that they should not want to assemble with whom they want to assemble with, within the confines of the law.
From The First Amendment:
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or
prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of
speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to
assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances."
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| Posted 10/17/07 8:08 PM |
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PrincessP
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Re: I really have to ask...
Posted by SweetestOfPeas
I thought a lot about this thread since this afternoon, so I did a few searches when I got home from work.
Looks like the entire contents of this thread might be moot point
All White Dating.com
Christian Date.com
1 more
Italian Connection.com
if I were single, I would be excluded from 2 of these 3 sites, UNEQUIVOCALLY. never in a million years would it ever occur to me to complain about it.
in addition, it is our constitutional RIGHT as Americans to assemble with whomever we please. in other words, it is UN-American to tell people that they should not want to assemble with whom they want to assemble with, within the confines of the law.
From The First Amendment:
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or
prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of
speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to
assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances."
I would also be excluded of 2/3 and as I stated above I had a feeling these sites existed. Personally, i think its great that people can connect.
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| Posted 10/17/07 8:12 PM |
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SweetestOfPeas
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Re: I really have to ask...
Posted by PrincessP
Posted by SweetestOfPeas
I thought a lot about this thread since this afternoon, so I did a few searches when I got home from work.
Looks like the entire contents of this thread might be moot point
All White Dating.com
Christian Date.com
1 more
Italian Connection.com
if I were single, I would be excluded from 2 of these 3 sites, UNEQUIVOCALLY. never in a million years would it ever occur to me to complain about it.
in addition, it is our constitutional RIGHT as Americans to assemble with whomever we please. in other words, it is UN-American to tell people that they should not want to assemble with whom they want to assemble with, within the confines of the law.
From The First Amendment:
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or
prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of
speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to
assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances."
I would also be excluded of 2/3 and as I stated above I had a feeling these sites existed. Personally, i think its great that people can connect.
yup. and I'm pretty sure no one will choose to acknowledge this fact 
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DebG
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Re: I really have to ask...
The original point wasn't whether or not it could or does exist, rather, if it did exist and was a 3 story tall billboard in times square, how would it be received by the public.
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SweetestOfPeas
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Re: I really have to ask...
Posted by DebG
The original point wasn't whether or not it could exist, rather, if it did exist and was a 3 story tall billboard in times square, how would it be received by the public.
most of the posts on this thread are basically attacking jdate, blacksingles.com and anything that caters to a certain group.
just b/c allwhitedating.com may not be able to afford a billboard in TS, doesn't mean that they can't put one there if they had the means (and I'm not saying that they don't have the means).
if anyone wants to protest it, that too is their right and its protected under the Bill of Rights.
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Goldi0218
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Re: I really have to ask...
I read as much as I can tolerate without developing vertigo or an ulcer. I came pretty close to both.
First I will address the OP. I think a lot of people would be offended. I think people would start an uproar and I think it would be down before the glue dries. I am not sure how I personally would feel about it.
Now for my ramblings.
There is no question that many groups whether based in culture, religion, race or any combination has had its share of discrimination and/or persecution. One's groups problems should never be measured against another's.
That being said, I can only speak of what I know - the persecution of my ancestors base on religion and culture. Judaism is a religion AND a culture - like it or not - it just is. Many people celebrate Jewish culture without ever setting foot in a temple or Kabbalah center. It is a big part of who I am and what defines me as a person and a woman.
It may be surprising to many people - especially those of us who live in densely populated areas filled with diversity - as to how small national and world-wide Jewry is. Judaism makes up less than .25 percent of all of the religions in the entire world - a total of 13 million people. It makes up about 1 percent of the religion in this country. Why people feel threatened by such small numbers always blows me away.
Surely, it is obvious that Jews were not ever big in numbers, but it is pretty obvious how the Holocaust nearly eradicated who was here and left sadness as well as despair for many. Some were left with no faith and others vowed to overcome the atrocities and teach their children so this could and would never happen again.
As a Jewish child and a Jewish woman, I was always taught it was my duty and responsibility to perpetuate the faith by having Jewish children. A Jewish couple is often told that in order to do this, they must have at least three children - one to replace the mother, one to replace the father and one to keep things going for the future. I know a lot of people will roll their eyes at this one - too bad - it is how I was raised. This is why so many Orthodox families have so many kids - they are fulfilling a promise.
Due to my own reproductive limitations, at this point, I pray that G-d will bless us with at least one healthy child. We plan to raise our children in a Jewish home - they will know their religion and their Jewish culture so they can teach THEIR children.
The fundamentals of all religion (and just plain old human decency) basically preach the same ideals - do unto others.... I work in an area that is racially and religiously divided. As I drive through Crown Heights on my way home through East New York, I see a billboard with the Grand Rebbe Menachem Schneerson (whom Lubavitcher Jews see as the Messiah) and it says "Do Acts of Kindness". It does not say "Do Acts of Kindness to Jews Only." Goodness is goodness no matter whom it comes from and where it goes to. When my father was dying, we had prayer chains going from Pentecostals, Catholics, Muslims and others and we accepted each one graciously - we did not reject any thing because it wasn't based in Judaism. Geez I even carry a prayer of St. Gerard in my bag every day in hopes that some of the prayers and good wishes will help me to conceive and maintain a pregnancy. So what if St. Gerard doesn't go to my shul.
It is no secret that I met my husband on JDate. I have said it many times before and I will make no apologies for it. I do not feel guilty for being proud of it either. I did not seek a Jewish partner because I felt Jews were superior. I did not do it because I felt others were inferior. I did it out of a promise and obligation. Some people do not believe in organized religion. Some people may find my choice to be either racist, separatist or exclusive. I look at it as trying to preserve my religion so it doesnt die out. It is already pretty darn close.
If a person sees the avenue I chose to create my family and fulfill my promise as discriminatory or close minded, too bad. Maybe if my ancestors weren't treated like crap in the first place, this wouldnt be a discussion.
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DebG
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Re: I really have to ask...
Posted by SweetestOfPeas
most of the posts on this thread are basically attacking jdate, blacksingles.com and anything that caters to a certain group.
just b/c allwhitedating.com may not be able to afford a billboard in TS, doesn't mean that they can't put one there if they had the means (and I'm not saying that they don't have the means).
if anyone wants to protest it, that too is their right and its protected under the Bill of Rights.
There are very few "attacks" on this thread. It was a debate between people with all kinds of nationality, sexes, religions, beackgrouds etc.
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| Posted 10/17/07 9:59 PM |
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SweetestOfPeas
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Re: I really have to ask...
Posted by DebG
Posted by SweetestOfPeas
most of the posts on this thread are basically attacking jdate, blacksingles.com and anything that caters to a certain group.
just b/c allwhitedating.com may not be able to afford a billboard in TS, doesn't mean that they can't put one there if they had the means (and I'm not saying that they don't have the means).
if anyone wants to protest it, that too is their right and its protected under the Bill of Rights.
There are very few "attacks" on this thread. It was a debate between people with all kinds of nationality, sexes, religions, beackgrouds etc.
that is not how it came across to me. and I can only assume by Shelly's, Leslies and other posters, that I am not alone in saying that.
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SweetestOfPeas
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Re: I really have to ask...
Leslie - wow! just WOW!
I am in awe... kol hakavod 
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Re: I really have to ask...
Posted by SweetestOfPeas
Posted by DebG
Posted by SweetestOfPeas
most of the posts on this thread are basically attacking jdate, blacksingles.com and anything that caters to a certain group.
just b/c allwhitedating.com may not be able to afford a billboard in TS, doesn't mean that they can't put one there if they had the means (and I'm not saying that they don't have the means).
if anyone wants to protest it, that too is their right and its protected under the Bill of Rights.
There are very few "attacks" on this thread. It was a debate between people with all kinds of nationality, sexes, religions, beackgrouds etc.
that is not how it came across to me. and I can only assume by Shelly's, Leslies and other posters, that I am not alone in saying that.
Actually, I did not feel attacked. I was very impressed about how civil everyone was in this debate. I have to say, it really made me think.
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SweetestOfPeas
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Re: I really have to ask...
Posted by Shelly
Posted by SweetestOfPeas
Posted by DebG
Posted by SweetestOfPeas
most of the posts on this thread are basically attacking jdate, blacksingles.com and anything that caters to a certain group.
just b/c allwhitedating.com may not be able to afford a billboard in TS, doesn't mean that they can't put one there if they had the means (and I'm not saying that they don't have the means).
if anyone wants to protest it, that too is their right and its protected under the Bill of Rights.
There are very few "attacks" on this thread. It was a debate between people with all kinds of nationality, sexes, religions, beackgrouds etc.
that is not how it came across to me. and I can only assume by Shelly's, Leslies and other posters, that I am not alone in saying that.
Actually, I did not feel attacked. I was very impressed about how civil everyone was in this debate. I have to say, it really made me think.
I agree that it was very thought provoking. however, the # of people who called a group of one race or religion discriminatory for having their own website, pageant, etc. was surprising to me.
Additionally, I kept seeing “why should I pay the price of what my ancestors did”
My question to them is, what price have you personally paid?
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Re: I really have to ask...
Posted by Shelly
Posted by SweetestOfPeas
Posted by DebG
Posted by SweetestOfPeas
most of the posts on this thread are basically attacking jdate, blacksingles.com and anything that caters to a certain group.
just b/c allwhitedating.com may not be able to afford a billboard in TS, doesn't mean that they can't put one there if they had the means (and I'm not saying that they don't have the means).
if anyone wants to protest it, that too is their right and its protected under the Bill of Rights.
There are very few "attacks" on this thread. It was a debate between people with all kinds of nationality, sexes, religions, beackgrouds etc.
that is not how it came across to me. and I can only assume by Shelly's, Leslies and other posters, that I am not alone in saying that.
Actually, I did not feel attacked. I was very impressed about how civil everyone was in this debate. I have to say, it really made me think.
I agree - I didn't perceive this thread as an attack by any means, but instead, people offering their different views. I thought it was very respectful and enlightening. 
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PrincessP
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Re: I really have to ask...
Posted by DebG
The original point wasn't whether or not it could or does exist, rather, if it did exist and was a 3 story tall billboard in times square, how would it be received by the public.
While I agree with you maybe a little off topic...I can onlytell you that me personally, No I would not be offended if there were a billboard representing these sites. Besides, I also think Manhattan is a perfect place for it. I almost kind of expect it to be there. I wouldnt think twice...JMHO
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Goldi0218
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Re: I really have to ask...
Posted by SweetestOfPeas
Leslie - wow! just WOW!
I am in awe... kol hakavod
Thank you. I have spent way too much time in my life trying to justify my beliefs.
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SweetestOfPeas
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Re: I really have to ask...
Posted by Goldi0218
Posted by SweetestOfPeas
Leslie - wow! just WOW!
I am in awe... kol hakavod
Thank you. I have spent way too much time in my life trying to justify my beliefs.
same here, which is probably why I get so defensive.
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| Posted 10/17/07 10:19 PM |
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Goldi0218
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Re: I really have to ask...
Posted by SweetestOfPeas
Posted by Goldi0218
Posted by SweetestOfPeas
Leslie - wow! just WOW!
I am in awe... kol hakavod
Thank you. I have spent way too much time in my life trying to justify my beliefs.
same here, which is probably why I get so defensive.
BTW, I HAVE been called a racist for seeking a Jewish partner before.
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| Posted 10/17/07 10:21 PM |
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SweetestOfPeas
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Re: I really have to ask...
Posted by Goldi0218
Posted by SweetestOfPeas
Posted by Goldi0218
Posted by SweetestOfPeas
Leslie - wow! just WOW!
I am in awe... kol hakavod
Thank you. I have spent way too much time in my life trying to justify my beliefs.
same here, which is probably why I get so defensive.
BTW, I HAVE been called a racist for seeking a Jewish partner before.
I believe that. my sister has (or had) a friend that belittled her for only dating Jewish men.
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Re: I really have to ask...
Posted by SweetestOfPeas
Posted by Goldi0218
Posted by SweetestOfPeas
Posted by Goldi0218
Posted by SweetestOfPeas
Leslie - wow! just WOW!
I am in awe... kol hakavod
Thank you. I have spent way too much time in my life trying to justify my beliefs.
same here, which is probably why I get so defensive.
BTW, I HAVE been called a racist for seeking a Jewish partner before.
I believe that. my sister has (or had) a friend that belittled her for only dating Jewish men.
I've had several heated discussions with friends who did not understand why I would only date Jewish guys and said everything BUT outright calling me racist.
Leslie -
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