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missrock
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Re: I really have to ask...
I think missgwife is stirring up some trouble here. Just ignore her/him.
It seems like this person is obviously someone else, especially with only 30 posts.
Now "missgwife" stop starting trouble whoever you are.
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Re: I really have to ask...
Posted by Bxgell2
Posted by missgwife
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Posted by Jennie0898
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Posted by missgwife
If I took a poll right now and ask the age of most of the ladies on this post, you all would be under the age of 25, and don't have an idea of what goes on in the world.
EXCUSE ME? What you wrote was one of the most egregious displays of ignorance I've ever seen on here.
And, for the record, I AM 32.
Thank you for posting EXACTLY what I was thinking...
Oh and FTR, I'm 30.
Question... How does someone with all of 30 something posts come to such a conclusion?
What does me having "30 something post" have to do with me having an opinion?
Enjoy the rest of your day ladies
I'm inferring from your post that you are over 30, correct? And if so, I am concluding that, with your sweeping generalization about nonsense, that you have just proven your own theory wrong. 
You think?
I'm an attorney. I don't talk in circles. I say what I mean and I mean what I say, so YES, I think you have.
You are awesome! 
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| Posted 10/19/07 1:52 PM |
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justthe4ofus
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Re: I really have to ask...
Posted by Jennie0898
Posted by missgwife
Posted by Bxgell2
I'm inferring from your post that you are over 30, correct? And if so, I am concluding that, with your sweeping generalization about nonsense, that you have just proven your own theory wrong.
What the heck kind of response is that? 
Seriously ladies "SHE" is trying to stir the pot and take a pleasant debate that stayed civial and make it worse. She is so not worth your time. Ignore the troll.
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| Posted 10/19/07 2:06 PM |
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Bxgell2
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Re: I really have to ask...
Posted by Jamie
Seriously ladies "SHE" is trying to stir the pot and take a pleasant debate that stayed civial and make it worse. She is so not worth your time. Ignore the troll.
Will do!
But, it was still fun pointing out the hypocrisy of her posts  
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| Posted 10/19/07 2:14 PM |
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Ltdentway99
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Re: I really have to ask...
If you were a black or jewish woman who had a hard time meeting black or jewish men because you lived in a white christian neighborhood (and jews and blacks are a minority), then maybe you'd understand.
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| Posted 10/19/07 2:53 PM |
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Ltdentway99
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Re: I really have to ask...
Posted by Goldi0218
I read as much as I can tolerate without developing vertigo or an ulcer. I came pretty close to both.
First I will address the OP. I think a lot of people would be offended. I think people would start an uproar and I think it would be down before the glue dries. I am not sure how I personally would feel about it.
Now for my ramblings.
There is no question that many groups whether based in culture, religion, race or any combination has had its share of discrimination and/or persecution. One's groups problems should never be measured against another's.
That being said, I can only speak of what I know - the persecution of my ancestors base on religion and culture. Judaism is a religion AND a culture - like it or not - it just is. Many people celebrate Jewish culture without ever setting foot in a temple or Kabbalah center. It is a big part of who I am and what defines me as a person and a woman.
It may be surprising to many people - especially those of us who live in densely populated areas filled with diversity - as to how small national and world-wide Jewry is. Judaism makes up less than .25 percent of all of the religions in the entire world - a total of 13 million people. It makes up about 1 percent of the religion in this country. Why people feel threatened by such small numbers always blows me away.
Surely, it is obvious that Jews were not ever big in numbers, but it is pretty obvious how the Holocaust nearly eradicated who was here and left sadness as well as despair for many. Some were left with no faith and others vowed to overcome the atrocities and teach their children so this could and would never happen again.
As a Jewish child and a Jewish woman, I was always taught it was my duty and responsibility to perpetuate the faith by having Jewish children. A Jewish couple is often told that in order to do this, they must have at least three children - one to replace the mother, one to replace the father and one to keep things going for the future. I know a lot of people will roll their eyes at this one - too bad - it is how I was raised. This is why so many Orthodox families have so many kids - they are fulfilling a promise.
Due to my own reproductive limitations, at this point, I pray that G-d will bless us with at least one healthy child. We plan to raise our children in a Jewish home - they will know their religion and their Jewish culture so they can teach THEIR children.
The fundamentals of all religion (and just plain old human decency) basically preach the same ideals - do unto others.... I work in an area that is racially and religiously divided. As I drive through Crown Heights on my way home through East New York, I see a billboard with the Grand Rebbe Menachem Schneerson (whom Lubavitcher Jews see as the Messiah) and it says "Do Acts of Kindness". It does not say "Do Acts of Kindness to Jews Only." Goodness is goodness no matter whom it comes from and where it goes to. When my father was dying, we had prayer chains going from Pentecostals, Catholics, Muslims and others and we accepted each one graciously - we did not reject any thing because it wasn't based in Judaism. Geez I even carry a prayer of St. Gerard in my bag every day in hopes that some of the prayers and good wishes will help me to conceive and maintain a pregnancy. So what if St. Gerard doesn't go to my shul.
It is no secret that I met my husband on JDate. I have said it many times before and I will make no apologies for it. I do not feel guilty for being proud of it either. I did not seek a Jewish partner because I felt Jews were superior. I did not do it because I felt others were inferior. I did it out of a promise and obligation. Some people do not believe in organized religion. Some people may find my choice to be either racist, separatist or exclusive. I look at it as trying to preserve my religion so it doesnt die out. It is already pretty darn close.
If a person sees the avenue I chose to create my family and fulfill my promise as discriminatory or close minded, too bad. Maybe if my ancestors weren't treated like crap in the first place, this wouldnt be a discussion.
Wow, Goldi- I could have written this myself. Thank you.
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| Posted 10/19/07 2:58 PM |
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ILJ619
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Re: I really have to ask...
I am a minority and I'm married to a white man. I have no problem with Jdate or black singles or even white singles.com. To each his own. Some people prefer to be with someone who share the same values, cultural history or traditions. My husband and I are together b/c we are both christians and my race did not matter to him. Thats just my personal preference its should not a race issue its a heart issue.
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| Posted 10/19/07 3:15 PM |
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nrthshgrl
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Re: I really have to ask...
To answer the original OP:
I see nothing wrong with any kind of advertising that will help like-minded people meet but I would be disturbed if I saw it being whiteonlydating.com advertised.
My single girlfriend punches in Caucasion when looking for a guy on Match.com. Doesn't bother me a bit. That's in general the type that she's attracted to, just as she insists that they need to be over 6 feet. Of course it eliminates a ton of great guys out there & she may not meet someone because she's not willing to look at other options. That's a chance she has to take.
To me, the whites only thing doesn't seem to be about what you find attractive but more a socio-political agenda that I detest. And as much as I adore the idea that there is someone for everyone, I wish I could prohibit peole with such a disgusting agenda from procreating.
I realize how horrible that sounds. Once again, the reason I'll never be running for office.
Message edited 10/19/2007 3:26:03 PM.
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| Posted 10/19/07 3:24 PM |
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Ophelia
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Re: I really have to ask...
assuming that you know anyone well enough to know what kind of discrimination they have faced is ASSININE.
assuming that ONE group has suffered more than another historically is ASSININE.
calling out someone else and asking them to identify how they have been discriminated against, so you, oh persecuted one, can give the "Ok, you can speak since you understand" is mind-blowingly ASSININE.
the point of this thread was to discuss WHY an all black or all jewish website could PROUDLY display an advertisement in time square with no one batting an eye, if an "all white" website could not...was the point of the thread.
there are differing opinions...all well and good.
but these digressions...these spinoffs and diatribes based on MISINTERPRETATIONS of what others right..is just ridiculous and BORING.
step off the soapbox and look around you. In an arena that is PREDOMINANTLY made up of WOMEN, there is a HELL of a good chance, that even being white and christian, we have all faced some discrimination. Get over yourself.
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| Posted 10/19/07 3:25 PM |
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Ophelia
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Re: I really have to ask...
Posted by nrthshgrl
To me, the whites only thing doesn't seem to be about what you find attractive but more a socio-political agenda that I detest. And as much as I adore the idea that there is someone for everyone, I wish I could prohibit peole with such a disgusting agenda from procreating.
I realize how horrible that sounds. Once again, the reason I'll never be running for office.
but really, why "white" people?
oh, and may I add again...my FATHER is Puerto Rican, and my husband is hispanic. (I only say this b/c there was mention of my "background")
I look WHITE (as do many people, regardless of RELIGION) but that is where it ends.
Message edited 10/19/2007 3:30:26 PM.
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| Posted 10/19/07 3:29 PM |
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SweetestOfPeas
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Re: I really have to ask...
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| Posted 10/19/07 3:41 PM |
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Preguntas
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Re: I really have to ask...
Posted by Ophelia
but these digressions...these spinoffs and diatribes based on MISINTERPRETATIONS of what others right..is just ridiculous and BORING.
Here here!
And I must add- I am starting to take umbrage to being passive aggressively called an antisemite repeatedly.
We are just trying to have a discussion, and people pick up on 1 point that was made, and immediately go on the defensive. I am pretty sure that I never said that Jews have no right to jdate. It was an example that was made to support our arguement.
To be honest, I feel like I am being singled out right now- for being a non minority with an opinion conflicting with those of a minority. I feel like my opinions have less merit because I haven't suffered enough for the strangers judging me.
Please.
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| Posted 10/19/07 3:45 PM |
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Shelly
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Re: I really have to ask...
I can't believe this thread is still going on.
Posted by Ophelia
the point of this thread was to discuss WHY an all black or all jewish website could PROUDLY display an advertisement in time square with no one batting an eye, if an "all white" website could not...was the point of the thread.
On this point, I think you have to blame the white supremicists, who took "white pride" to a very ugly place to discriminate and commit acts of violence against others who are not "white" by their definition.
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| Posted 10/19/07 4:09 PM |
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sometimesmommy
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Re: I really have to ask...
Posted by Shelly
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Because we live in a country with a profound recent history of discrimination. We also live in a society where everything needs to be politcally correct.
ITA. Thats why the billboard would have such a strong reaction to it. There are still open wounds....
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| Posted 10/19/07 4:17 PM |
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SweetestOfPeas
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Re: I really have to ask...
Posted by Shelly
I can't believe this thread is still going on.
Posted by Ophelia
the point of this thread was to discuss WHY an all black or all jewish website could PROUDLY display an advertisement in time square with no one batting an eye, if an "all white" website could not...was the point of the thread.
On this point, I think you have to blame the white supremicists, who took "white pride" to a very ugly place to discriminate and commit acts of violence against others who are not "white" by their definition.
there is nothing illegal about allwhitedating.com putting up a billboard. if someone chooses to protest it, that is also not illegal. both are protected in the bill of rights.
honestly, it's moot point IMO to talk about a billboard that doesn't even exist and then be upset at the reaction that you think would happen, if the billboard was there.
first it was assumed that there is no white dating website, but there was.
it's just silly already
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| Posted 10/19/07 4:22 PM |
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Ophelia
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Re: I really have to ask...
Posted by Shelly
I can't believe this thread is still going on.
Posted by Ophelia
the point of this thread was to discuss WHY an all black or all jewish website could PROUDLY display an advertisement in time square with no one batting an eye, if an "all white" website could not...was the point of the thread.
On this point, I think you have to blame the white supremicists, who took "white pride" to a very ugly place to discriminate and commit acts of violence against others who are not "white" by their definition.
I DO blame them. And I DO understand. and I think they and ANYONE like them (no matter their color or religion or ethnicity) is disgusting and despicable.
but I am NOT one of those people. and I don't know anyone personally who is.
In fact, I don't know anyone that is looking for a black or white or christian or jewish mate. but I understand WHY someone would. and i understand that ANYONE has a right to.
that is the point.
I think it's sad to assume that any white person that has a preference to marry another white person is treated differently than a black person that wants to marry a black person.
it's both preserving a race. no?
I don't necessarily agree or disagree with the desire (and I don't share it) but it is OK, then it should be OK across the board, and if its WRONG, it should be WRONG across the board.
inequatlity cannot be the foundation for equality.
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| Posted 10/19/07 4:22 PM |
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jxnoscar
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Re: I really have to ask...
Posted by Ophelia
Posted by Shelly
I can't believe this thread is still going on.
Posted by Ophelia
the point of this thread was to discuss WHY an all black or all jewish website could PROUDLY display an advertisement in time square with no one batting an eye, if an "all white" website could not...was the point of the thread.
On this point, I think you have to blame the white supremicists, who took "white pride" to a very ugly place to discriminate and commit acts of violence against others who are not "white" by their definition.
I DO blame them. And I DO understand. and I think they and ANYONE like them (no matter their color or religion or ethnicity) is disgusting and despicable.
but I am NOT one of those people. and I don't know anyone personally who is.
In fact, I don't know anyone that is looking for a black or white or christian or jewish mate. but I understand WHY someone would. and i understand that ANYONE has a right to.
that is the point.
I think it's sad to assume that any white person that has a preference to marry another white person is treated differently than a black person that wants to marry a black person.
it's both preserving a race. no?
I don't necessarily agree or disagree with the desire (and I don't share it) but it is OK, then it should be OK across the board, and if its WRONG, it should be WRONG across the board.
inequatlity cannot be the foundation for equality.
AMEN
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| Posted 10/19/07 4:25 PM |
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Preguntas
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Re: I really have to ask...
Posted by Ophelia
inequatlity cannot be the foundation for equality.
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| Posted 10/19/07 4:26 PM |
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Bxgell2
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Re: I really have to ask...
Posted by Shelly
I can't believe this thread is still going on.
Posted by Ophelia
the point of this thread was to discuss WHY an all black or all jewish website could PROUDLY display an advertisement in time square with no one batting an eye, if an "all white" website could not...was the point of the thread.
On this point, I think you have to blame the white supremicists, who took "white pride" to a very ugly place to discriminate and commit acts of violence against others who are not "white" by their definition.
Yup. This is the point I made about 5 pages back. The reason WHY such a billboard would get heat is because of the historical connotations associated with all white organizations. We aren't saying that this is fair or just, but merely the *reason* behind it, whether or not those connotations are an accurate reflection of the intentions of predominately white groups in the past.
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| Posted 10/19/07 4:28 PM |
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nrthshgrl
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Re: I really have to ask...
Posted by Ophelia
Posted by nrthshgrl
To me, the whites only thing doesn't seem to be about what you find attractive but more a socio-political agenda that I detest. And as much as I adore the idea that there is someone for everyone, I wish I could prohibit peole with such a disgusting agenda from procreating.
I realize how horrible that sounds. Once again, the reason I'll never be running for office.
but really, why "white" people?
etd.
Posted by Shelly
etd.
On this point, I think you have to blame the white supremicists, who took "white pride" to a very ugly place to discriminate and commit acts of violence against others who are not "white" by their definition.
This is exactly why. If it was an attraction thing, that's different. If it's a cultural thing, I get it.
It's the horrible connotations that I associate with a skinhead, KKK type of agenda.
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| Posted 10/19/07 4:33 PM |
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Preguntas
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Re: I really have to ask...
Posted by Bxgell2
Posted by Shelly
I can't believe this thread is still going on.
Posted by Ophelia
the point of this thread was to discuss WHY an all black or all jewish website could PROUDLY display an advertisement in time square with no one batting an eye, if an "all white" website could not...was the point of the thread.
On this point, I think you have to blame the white supremicists, who took "white pride" to a very ugly place to discriminate and commit acts of violence against others who are not "white" by their definition.
Yup. This is the point I made about 5 pages back. The reason WHY such a billboard would get heat is because of the historical connotations associated with all white organizations. We aren't saying that this is fair or just, but merely the *reason* behind it, whether or not those connotations are an accurate reflection of the intentions of predominately white groups in the past.
EXACTLY!
And we are saying that it is unfortunate, because the result is a race now defined and confined by the actions of those few in the past. And is that not also discrimination? In some way?
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sometimesmommy
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Re: I really have to ask...
Posted by Preguntas
Posted by Ophelia
inequatlity cannot be the foundation for equality.
I agree with this point however pertaining to the original topic its not really about inequality-it simply comes down to who is more vocal and is willing to stand up publicly for what they believe. If anyone has an issue with JDATE, Blacksingles.com or Whitesinglesonly.com Billboards they have the right to organize like minds and voice their opinion. Seems like more people would step forward against the latter but its no ones fault if people who have issues with JDATE or other minority focused sites cant garner the same public support. Anyone can have a billboard but society will have differing opinions and we know majority rules in this country.
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Shelly
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Re: I really have to ask...
Posted by Ophelia
Posted by Shelly
I can't believe this thread is still going on.
Posted by Ophelia
the point of this thread was to discuss WHY an all black or all jewish website could PROUDLY display an advertisement in time square with no one batting an eye, if an "all white" website could not...was the point of the thread.
On this point, I think you have to blame the white supremicists, who took "white pride" to a very ugly place to discriminate and commit acts of violence against others who are not "white" by their definition.
I DO blame them. And I DO understand. and I think they and ANYONE like them (no matter their color or religion or ethnicity) is disgusting and despicable.
but I am NOT one of those people. and I don't know anyone personally who is.
In fact, I don't know anyone that is looking for a black or white or christian or jewish mate. but I understand WHY someone would. and i understand that ANYONE has a right to.
that is the point.
I think it's sad to assume that any white person that has a preference to marry another white person is treated differently than a black person that wants to marry a black person.
it's both preserving a race. no?
I don't necessarily agree or disagree with the desire (and I don't share it) but it is OK, then it should be OK across the board, and if its WRONG, it should be WRONG across the board.
inequatlity cannot be the foundation for equality.
But it IS Ok across the board. In fact, such websites exist. I don't think anyone is arguing its not.
The question is about the heat it would get (which is a political or media based question, not a moral one).
We all live in society. We can't expect everyone to see the world as we it and know our individual views.
Also, words have been assigned certain connotations that they literally don't mean. "Gay" means happy, but when you hear someone is gay, is that what you think of? A "biitch" is a female dog, but it has been used as a deragotary term so much that it isn't even allowed on this website. A "faggott" is a bundle of sticks- but when you hear that word its not what you think. A dyke is a an embankment like a dam, but it has a different connotation now.
And the reality is that meanings are not only construed by the tone of voice, but the person who is saying them. Rappers use the "N" word in their lyrics, but if a white person says it, its a different connotation. If a friend calls someone a biitch with a giggle, it has a different meaning then if someone you are arguing with says it.
We live in a very PC country. We also live in a society where minorities are still discriminated against. There are still people who believe that America is for white christians hence nooses on professor's doors.
Just because you don't mean white supremecy when you say white pride, doesn't mean that is how others will interpret it. You have to look at society as a whole. Its not just your (or any one person's) interpretation.
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Preguntas
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Re: I really have to ask...
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Preguntas
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