You must first be logged in to post a new topic.
If you are not registered, please click "Create Account".
| Posted By |
Message |
| Pages: 1 2 3 [4] 5 6 7 >> |
SweetestOfPeas
J'taime Paris!
Member since 3/06 32345 total posts
Name:
|
Re: the discussion formerly known as "NVM"
Posted by Jesaroo
Posted by SweetestOfPeas
you get offended by a no dogs allowed sign, yet you can't understand why this is offensive?
1. who said i get offended by a no dogs allowed sign???????? no one since its not true. i completely respect no dogs allowed signs. i never assume dogs are allowed in all stores.
2. cant understand how WHAT is offensive exactly? gay men, burning crosses, swastickas, debates?
you got all up in arms and didn't understand why dogs in stores is jut NOT appropriate.
burning crosses and swastikas is a REALLY offensive thing to most people
|
Posted 10/4/07 12:47 PM  |
| |
|
Long Island Weddings
Long Island's Largest Bridal Resource |
roxygrl8
......
Member since 6/06 2987 total posts
Name:
Nicole
|
Re: the discussion formerly known as "NVM"
I'm catholic. I don't find that picture of the burning crosses behind madonna offensive/not offensive at all. It is what it is. It's artistic and an expression. I look at, most likely madonna doesn't feel that way, she was expressing something in that video. Take it with a grain of salt.
|
| Posted 10/4/07 12:48 PM |
| |
|
DebG
Pick a cause & stand up for it
Member since 5/05 18602 total posts
Name:
The cure IS worse!
|
Re: the discussion formerly known as "NVM"
Why are people popping in here and trying to make this about going against Jess? That is not it at all! Look at the first few intelligent posts. It is about how a burning cross can be PERCEIVED to be offensive.
That's it. Not a slam into Jess AT ALL!
It's a healthy debate.
It's not about dogs
It's not about Jess
It's about realizing how another person MAY find something offensive that you personally don't
Please don't come in and say drama
don't do eye rolls
don't post bunnies or boobs or anything else.
Let the discussion be a real discussion
|
| Posted 10/4/07 12:49 PM |
| |
|
Jesaroo
is not the girl you knew
Member since 5/05 14266 total posts
Name:
Jes
|
Re: the discussion formerly known as "NVM"
Posted by SweetestOfPeas
Posted by Jesaroo
Posted by SweetestOfPeas
you get offended by a no dogs allowed sign, yet you can't understand why this is offensive?
1. who said i get offended by a no dogs allowed sign???????? no one since its not true. i completely respect no dogs allowed signs. i never assume dogs are allowed in all stores.
2. cant understand how WHAT is offensive exactly? gay men, burning crosses, swastickas, debates?
you got all up in arms and didn't understand why dogs in stores is jut NOT appropriate.
burning crosses and swastikas is a REALLY offensive thing to most people
ok ok ok we arent having THAT discussion again.
and youre wrong anyway i didnt get all up in arms because dogs in stores isnt apprpriate.
one, youre referring to your opinion as a fact when its not and two,youre wrong about why i "got all up in arms"
burning crosses and swastikas are offensive to most people...... UMMM i never said it wasnt
and back to the reguarly scheduled post at hand
Message edited 10/4/2007 12:54:32 PM.
|
| Posted 10/4/07 12:53 PM |
| |
|
Stefanie
♥
Member since 5/05 23599 total posts
Name:
Stefanie
|
Re: the discussion formerly known as "NVM"
I don't find burning crosses to be offensive and I'm catholic.
It wasn't Jess's intention to make this a 6 page debate. She just wanted people to laugh. I got it.
|
| Posted 10/4/07 12:55 PM |
| |
|
DebG
Pick a cause & stand up for it
Member since 5/05 18602 total posts
Name:
The cure IS worse!
|
Re: the discussion formerly known as "NVM"
Posted by MichelleR
I was offended by seeing a swastika hanging from a rearview mirror, but then I researched and found it's still a religious symbol to some. So in certain context it's ok... but of course used in a Nazi way, it is not ok.
I can understand and appreciate that. Although, I think when any symbol is presented in a particular manner and it's meaning/context is not evident that it leaves it open to interpretation.
If I just present it with no context people can not understand what or why I am using it.
That swastika could be used in a religious way. If I saw it on a bible or a religious piece of clothes or something of that nature I would probably think twice. However, if/when I saw it alone m first instinct would be to think of it's symbolic use to spread the hatred that Nazi Germany and Hitler try to use
|
| Posted 10/4/07 12:55 PM |
| |
|
Preguntas
it's pretty precious
Member since 1/07 3839 total posts
Name:
Lauren
|
Re: the discussion formerly known as "NVM"
I definitely see how a spray painted red swastika on personal or public property will offend the people intended for.
And I could see how a burning cross on someones lawn would be offensive.
Those would be representations of hate.
I guess the argument is, some people have a higher threshold for offense than others. I see things as powerful, or shocking- many things, if I saw as a representation of hate, would make me sad for the state of this world.
But I don't get "offended" easily, and it is therefore hard for me to understand how some people do.
Helll- some people will be offended at my lack of an apostrophe somewhere in my post.
|
| Posted 10/4/07 12:56 PM |
| |
|
DebG
Pick a cause & stand up for it
Member since 5/05 18602 total posts
Name:
The cure IS worse!
|
Re: the discussion formerly known as "NVM"
The point is for people to understand how others COULD be offended. The question is not, are you personally offended by the burning cross or swastika (or insert whatever other symbol you desire).
Preguntas got it. It's jsut about opening your mind to an alternate interpretation.
|
| Posted 10/4/07 12:58 PM |
| |
|
Preguntas
it's pretty precious
Member since 1/07 3839 total posts
Name:
Lauren
|
Re: the discussion formerly known as "NVM"
For real- I go through my life every day KNOWING that other people feel differently about different things. But I can not put myself in their shoes. But I apreciate that we are all engineered differently.
And I will frequently do things that offend others. Becaus ethat's how I roll.
|
| Posted 10/4/07 1:02 PM |
| |
|
Stefanie
♥
Member since 5/05 23599 total posts
Name:
Stefanie
|
Re: the discussion formerly known as "NVM"
There are some people in this world who are ultra sensitive to everything. I'm not one of them. If I let things like this bother me, then I'd have a full head of gray hair.
People aren't out there to offend me, personally(well I don't know...maybe they are). If someone wants to burn a cross, go ahead. You're not going to affect me, unless it's directed personally to me.
I have other things to worry about than being offended all the time.
|
| Posted 10/4/07 1:04 PM |
| |
|
pinkandblue
Our family is complete, maybe
Member since 9/05 32436 total posts
Name:
Stephanie
|
Re: the discussion formerly known as "NVM"
Posted by Stefanie
There are some people in this world who are ultra sensitive to everything. I'm not one of them. If I let things like this bother me, then I'd have a full head of gray hair.
People aren't out there to offend me, personally(well I don't know...maybe they are). If someone wants to burn a cross, go ahead. You're not going to affect me, unless it's directed personally to me.
I have other things to worry about than being offended all the time.
I agree...I have come to realize that I have no control over other people, only myself and the things I say and do 
Message edited 10/4/2007 1:05:37 PM.
|
| Posted 10/4/07 1:05 PM |
| |
|
SweetTooth
I'm a tired mommy!
Member since 12/05 20105 total posts
Name:
Lauren
|
Re: the discussion formerly known as "NVM"
I never knew that the swastika had any other symbolism besides representing the Nazis. That is very interesting. It is also sad that something that has such archeological significance was taken by a madman and twisted into something that sigifies hate and murder to most people.
The lesson learned is: Every "symbol" has a million connotations. To some it may be offensive, to others not. Many times it depends on the context in which the symbol is used.
|
| Posted 10/4/07 1:06 PM |
| |
|
Preguntas
it's pretty precious
Member since 1/07 3839 total posts
Name:
Lauren
|
Re: the discussion formerly known as "NVM"
I also want names of people who would be offended by my photo of a pregnant woman drinking beer.
Because that's overboard.
 
|
| Posted 10/4/07 1:07 PM |
| |
|
HoneyBadger
YourWorstNightmare.
Member since 10/06 15979 total posts
Name:
BahBahBlackJeep
|
Re: the discussion formerly known as "NVM"
Posted by Preguntas
I also want names of people who would be offended by my photo of a pregnant woman drinking beer.
Because that's overboard.
I thought the beer was non-alcoholic. 
|
| Posted 10/4/07 1:09 PM |
| |
|
Stefanie
♥
Member since 5/05 23599 total posts
Name:
Stefanie
|
Re: the discussion formerly known as "NVM"
Posted by Preguntas
I also want names of people who would be offended by my photo of a pregnant woman drinking beer.
Because that's overboard.
I'm not offended.
|
| Posted 10/4/07 1:09 PM |
| |
|
SweetTooth
I'm a tired mommy!
Member since 12/05 20105 total posts
Name:
Lauren
|
Re: the discussion formerly known as "NVM"
Posted by Preguntas
I also want names of people who would be offended by my photo of a pregnant woman drinking beer.
Because that's overboard.
She's not driking it, she's just holding it. And besides, its non-alcoholic beer, isn't it.
|
| Posted 10/4/07 1:09 PM |
| |
|
JessieQ
Rest in Peace baby Rogan
Member since 6/07 1122 total posts
Name:
Jessica
|
Re: the discussion formerly known as "NVM"
Posted by Stefanie
There are some people in this world who are ultra sensitive to everything. I'm not one of them. If I let things like this bother me, then I'd have a full head of gray hair.
People aren't out there to offend me, personally(well I don't know...maybe they are). If someone wants to burn a cross, go ahead. You're not going to affect me, unless it's directed personally to me.
I have other things to worry about than being offended all the time.
I agree that some people are more sensitive than others, and as a South Park fan I guess I have been desensitized to certain things.
However, I think the point isn't whether I finds a burning cross offensive to me personally, but that I understand that, in context, a burning cross is a symbol of hate, and a weapon of fear. I realize that there are many people who because of their race or their past experiences are personally offended by this symbol. I didn't see the video, but from the way it was described I understand why it was pulled (especially since if I read right there was also a reference to the KKK?).
I have never jumped into a thread like this before, I hope I don't regret it )
|
| Posted 10/4/07 1:16 PM |
| |
|
DebG
Pick a cause & stand up for it
Member since 5/05 18602 total posts
Name:
The cure IS worse!
|
Re: the discussion formerly known as "NVM"
Posted by JessieQ
However, I think the point isn't whether I finds a burning cross offensive to me personally, but that I understand that, in context, a burning cross is a symbol of hate, and a weapon of fear. I realize that there are many people who because of their race or their past experiences are personally offended by this symbol. I didn't see the video, but from the way it was described I understand why it was pulled (especially since if I read right there was also a reference to the KKK?).
I have never jumped into a thread like this before, I hope I don't regret it)
This is the point that, at least I, was trying to make. I made the reference to a cross burning as being associated with the KKK. The burning cross is all that was in the video itself, not anything else associated with them.
I think you made a darn fine first jumpQ
|
| Posted 10/4/07 1:18 PM |
| |
|
Preguntas
it's pretty precious
Member since 1/07 3839 total posts
Name:
Lauren
|
Re: the discussion formerly known as "NVM"
Posted by SweetTooth
She's not driking it, she's just holding it. And besides, its non-alcoholic beer, isn't it.
Totally non alch.
But I guess- what I want to know is, really?
If it was a real beer, and she was drinking it, how on Earth would that OFFEND you? Unless you are a victim of fetal alcohol syndrome?
I could see it DISGUISTING you, or making you angry. But the word offend doesn't seem right.
I am just reaching.
|
| Posted 10/4/07 1:20 PM |
| |
|
Kara
Now Zagat Rated!
Member since 3/07 13217 total posts
Name:
They call me "Tater Salad"
|
Re: the discussion formerly known as "NVM"
Posted by Preguntas
eta- Deb- a swastika is not a symbol of hate.
I think that information was outdated in approximately 1939.
|
| Posted 10/4/07 1:38 PM |
| |
|
Kara
Now Zagat Rated!
Member since 3/07 13217 total posts
Name:
They call me "Tater Salad"
|
Re: the discussion formerly known as "NVM"
What on earth does being Catholic have to do with being offended or not offended by a burning cross? A burning cross is not normally intended to be a symbol of hatred against Christians...
I didn't watch the video, as there are few things with the word "butt" in that I'd like to watch... but, whether or not someone IS offended by burning crosses or a swastika, I can see how people COULD be offended by them quite easily.
Message edited 10/4/2007 1:41:20 PM.
|
| Posted 10/4/07 1:40 PM |
| |
|
Preguntas
it's pretty precious
Member since 1/07 3839 total posts
Name:
Lauren
|
Re: the discussion formerly known as "NVM"
Posted by Kara
Posted by Preguntas
eta- Deb- a swastika is not a symbol of hate.
I think that information was outdated in approximately 1939.
how does history get outdated? It's a deeply religious symbol to many people. I get it, not to you- and it's def. more broadly known as a hate symbol, but- like the iron cross, or hammer and syckle, it's not just that.
Hitler also ruined that ugly moustache, but no one is calling Charlie Chaplin a Nazi.
|
| Posted 10/4/07 1:45 PM |
| |
|
Kara
Now Zagat Rated!
Member since 3/07 13217 total posts
Name:
They call me "Tater Salad"
|
Re: the discussion formerly known as "NVM"
Well, following that logic, a cross is just a shape -- which it is -- but it's indeniable that the cross has taken on a more religious meaning and symbolizes Christianity to many people (Christians and non-Christians alike)
(You might disagree with this, too, which is fine...)
I'm just saying that I think a swastika pretty widely recognized as a sign of hatred in the US today.
You're free to disagree, though, which you clearly do. :)
Message edited 10/4/2007 1:49:22 PM.
|
| Posted 10/4/07 1:48 PM |
| |
|
DebG
Pick a cause & stand up for it
Member since 5/05 18602 total posts
Name:
The cure IS worse!
|
Re: the discussion formerly known as "NVM"
Posted by Preguntas
how does history get outdated? It's a deeply religious symbol to many people. I get it, not to you- and it's def. more broadly known as a hate symbol, but- like the iron cross, or hammer and syckle, it's not just that.
Hitler also ruined that ugly moustache, but no one is calling Charlie Chaplin a Nazi.
Did his entire army wear the mustache? Did Hitler put it on a flag?
Did Charlie Chaplin speak and inspire hatred and impose death upon others?
THAT is what makes the difference.
I do agree that it these symbols are not outdated that is just when the general popular view of them changed.
ps- I am not offended by your avatar at all. 
Message edited 10/4/2007 1:50:15 PM.
|
| Posted 10/4/07 1:49 PM |
| |
|
Preguntas
it's pretty precious
Member since 1/07 3839 total posts
Name:
Lauren
|
Re: the discussion formerly known as "NVM"
Posted by Kara
I'm just saying that I think a swastika pretty widely recognized as a sign of hatred in the US today.
You're free to disagree, though, which you clearly do. :)
Where did I say that it was not?
|
| Posted 10/4/07 1:50 PM |
| |
|
| Pages: 1 2 3 [4] 5 6 7 >> |
