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Jesaroo
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Re: the discussion formerly known as "NVM"
Posted by Preguntas
I think we have just clearly divided ourselves here-
people who ARE fans of South Park
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people who are NOT fans of South Park.
Does anyone remember the episode I am referring to?
lower case t- for "t"ime to leave.
see, one of my fave south parks of all time.
'lets dress like ghosts to scare them'... T---time to leave
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Re: the discussion formerly known as "NVM"
Message edited 11/11/2011 9:37:25 PM.
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| Posted 10/4/07 12:31 PM |
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Jesaroo
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Re: the discussion formerly known as "NVM"
Posted by imthekevinofcindyandkevin
I personally am not attacking anyone. I happen to like Jess, as much as you can like someone from not really meeting them.
If you look at the beginning I offered my thought as to why it was pulled. I didn't pull it. LIF powers that be did.
I am just voicing my opinion and particapating (sp)? in a conversation.
Jess if you feel I have attacked you then I apologize.
tahnks, i dont think you attacked me.
i have a feeling preguntas wasnt referring to you.
but lets not get into all of that! lol
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| Posted 10/4/07 12:32 PM |
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MrsERod
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Re: the discussion formerly known as "NVM"
Posted by Preguntas
Seriously- I am not offended by a burning cross. Because I am not black, and was never persecuted for my race, especially in the 1950s in the south.
But I do think it's a strong, reaction inducing, symbol, that is bound to get under some people's skin. I don't see how Jessaroo should put put up on the proverbial cross for posting something potentially offensive- almost everything on Earth is potentially offensive to someone.
And I really think some of you are out of line for attacking her for posting a "why was my thread pulled" thread. I hate those as much as anyone- but she is certainly not alone- they are ALWAYS posted. You guys attack everything she says or does. We get it, you don't like her.
eta- Deb- a swastika is not a symbol of hate.
you're absolutely right...almost everything is potentially offensive...some people might be offended by your avatar pic - if that is in fact a pregnant woman drinking a beer? but who was attacking Jess?? we were discussing. and speaking of generalizations....who are "you guys"??, and just because we may not agree with everything she does/says, doesn't mean we don't like her.  
last but certainly not least, IMO, a swastika is TOTALLY a symbol of hate!
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| Posted 10/4/07 12:33 PM |
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Re: the discussion formerly known as "NVM"
last but certainly not least, IMO, a swastika is TOTALLY a symbol of hate!
I agree
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| Posted 10/4/07 12:34 PM |
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DebG
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Re: the discussion formerly known as "NVM"
Posted by Jesaroo
well we dont have to agree, thats the beauty of the boards.
c) if i DID speak up how i thought somehting was offensive it would be taken as "jes is starting drama" everything i do is starting drama. i cant win with half the ppl on the boards.
I totally agree with the second part and as for part C if your argument is presented in a style that attempts to be education or attempts to just explain your side of it, I don't think people would be offended. I have attempted to do this today on this thread (you can tell me if I succeed or not)
You can win with me if that helps you at all.
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| Posted 10/4/07 12:35 PM |
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Jesaroo
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Re: the discussion formerly known as "NVM"
The swastika (from Sanskrit svástika ????????? ) is an equilateral cross with its arms bent at right angles, in either right-facing (?) or left-facing (?) forms. The term is derived from Sanskrit svasti, meaning well-being. The Thai greeting sawasdee is from the same root and carries the same implication.
Archaeological evidence of swastika-shaped ornaments dates from the Neolithic period. It has long been widely-used in Hinduism, Buddhism, and Jainism. Hindus often decorate the swastika with a dot in each quadrant. In India, it is common enough to be a part of several Devanagari fonts. It is also a symbol in the modern Unicode and is often imprinted on religious texts, marriage invitations, and decorations. It is used to mark religious flags in Jainism and Buddhist temples in Asia.
In 1920, the right-facing swastika was appropriated as a Nazi symbol, and since then has become a controversial motif. In the Western world, this usage is the most familiar.
The symbol occurs in other Asian, European, African and Native American cultures – sometimes as a geometrical motif and sometimes as a religious symbol.
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| Posted 10/4/07 12:36 PM |
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Re: the discussion formerly known as "NVM"
Posted by Diane
last but certainly not least, IMO, a swastika is TOTALLY a symbol of hate!
I agree
I agree too! I am Jewish and a swastika really upsets me!
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| Posted 10/4/07 12:36 PM |
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Re: the discussion formerly known as "NVM"
Posted by Diane
last but certainly not least, IMO, a swastika is TOTALLY a symbol of hate!
I agree
Actually it is still used in the Hindu and Buddist faith as a relgious symbol. I actually saw one hanging from a rearview mirror. And i know it wasn't meant as the Nazi way.
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| Posted 10/4/07 12:36 PM |
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SweetestOfPeas
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Re: the discussion formerly known as "NVM"
Posted by Jesaroo
The swastika (from Sanskrit svástika ????????? ) is an equilateral cross with its arms bent at right angles, in either right-facing (?) or left-facing (?) forms. The term is derived from Sanskrit svasti, meaning well-being. The Thai greeting sawasdee is from the same root and carries the same implication.
Archaeological evidence of swastika-shaped ornaments dates from the Neolithic period. It has long been widely-used in Hinduism, Buddhism, and Jainism. Hindus often decorate the swastika with a dot in each quadrant. In India, it is common enough to be a part of several Devanagari fonts. It is also a symbol in the modern Unicode and is often imprinted on religious texts, marriage invitations, and decorations. It is used to mark religious flags in Jainism and Buddhist temples in Asia.
In 1920, the right-facing swastika was appropriated as a Nazi symbol, and since then has become a controversial motif. In the Western world, this usage is the most familiar.
The symbol occurs in other Asian, European, African and Native American cultures – sometimes as a geometrical motif and sometimes as a religious symbol.
and in modern times, it symbolizes a regime that slaughtered 6 million of my people!
Message edited 10/4/2007 12:37:17 PM.
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| Posted 10/4/07 12:37 PM |
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Jesaroo
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Re: the discussion formerly known as "NVM"
debg- i guess what i meant by C)
was that people expect me to go against the majority bacuase sometimes i am very vocal.
i think ppl would be surprised at how many times i actually do bite my tongue. errr, fingers.
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| Posted 10/4/07 12:38 PM |
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SweetestOfPeas
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Re: the discussion formerly known as "NVM"
Posted by Jesaroo
debg- i guess what i meant by C)
was that people expect me to go against the majority bacuase sometimes i am very vocal.
i think ppl would be surprised at how many times i actually do bite my tongue. errr, fingers.
perhaps this is not the appropriate forum for your thoughts then.
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| Posted 10/4/07 12:40 PM |
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Ambersmom
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Re: the discussion formerly known as "NVM"
Posted by SweetestOfPeas
Posted by Jesaroo
The swastika (from Sanskrit svástika ????????? ) is an equilateral cross with its arms bent at right angles, in either right-facing (?) or left-facing (?) forms. The term is derived from Sanskrit svasti, meaning well-being. The Thai greeting sawasdee is from the same root and carries the same implication.
Archaeological evidence of swastika-shaped ornaments dates from the Neolithic period. It has long been widely-used in Hinduism, Buddhism, and Jainism. Hindus often decorate the swastika with a dot in each quadrant. In India, it is common enough to be a part of several Devanagari fonts. It is also a symbol in the modern Unicode and is often imprinted on religious texts, marriage invitations, and decorations. It is used to mark religious flags in Jainism and Buddhist temples in Asia.
In 1920, the right-facing swastika was appropriated as a Nazi symbol, and since then has become a controversial motif. In the Western world, this usage is the most familiar.
The symbol occurs in other Asian, European, African and Native American cultures – sometimes as a geometrical motif and sometimes as a religious symbol.
and in modern times, it symbolizes a regime that slaughtered 6 million of my people!
Ask my Aunt (one of my mother's oldest friends) what she thinks of the Swastika represents when her father and mother were murdered by the Nazi's because he was a scientist and she suffered for months in a concentration camp. She was one of the "lucky" ones from the children's camp that made it out alive. She still bears the scars and ID #'s on her arm.
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| Posted 10/4/07 12:41 PM |
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Jesaroo
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Re: the discussion formerly known as "NVM"
Posted by SweetestOfPeas
Posted by Jesaroo
debg- i guess what i meant by C)
was that people expect me to go against the majority bacuase sometimes i am very vocal.
i think ppl would be surprised at how many times i actually do bite my tongue. errr, fingers.
perhaps this is not the appropriate forum for your thoughts then.
because i dont always agree with everyone else and actually have my own mind, views and opinions?
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| Posted 10/4/07 12:41 PM |
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DebG
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Re: the discussion formerly known as "NVM"
Well if it makes you feel better you can always debate or discuss with me (even thru FM if it makes you feel better) I am always up for learning and trying to find out what one person feels v. another.
For the definition of swastika posted. Like I said earlier. I know it has other meanings but for a majority of people born post wwII it means the attempt at annalahtion of the Jewish population of Europe.
Most people of Jewish decent will tell you it means the (attempted) destruction of their familial line
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| Posted 10/4/07 12:41 PM |
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mommy2bella
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Re: the discussion formerly known as "NVM"
Posted by SweetestOfPeas
Posted by Jesaroo
The swastika (from Sanskrit svástika ????????? ) is an equilateral cross with its arms bent at right angles, in either right-facing (?) or left-facing (?) forms. The term is derived from Sanskrit svasti, meaning well-being. The Thai greeting sawasdee is from the same root and carries the same implication.
Archaeological evidence of swastika-shaped ornaments dates from the Neolithic period. It has long been widely-used in Hinduism, Buddhism, and Jainism. Hindus often decorate the swastika with a dot in each quadrant. In India, it is common enough to be a part of several Devanagari fonts. It is also a symbol in the modern Unicode and is often imprinted on religious texts, marriage invitations, and decorations. It is used to mark religious flags in Jainism and Buddhist temples in Asia.
In 1920, the right-facing swastika was appropriated as a Nazi symbol, and since then has become a controversial motif. In the Western world, this usage is the most familiar.
The symbol occurs in other Asian, European, African and Native American cultures – sometimes as a geometrical motif and sometimes as a religious symbol.
and in modern times, it symbolizes a regime that slaughtered 6 million of my people!
seriously, I mean how can anyone other than the president of Iran who questions the veracity of the holocaust NOT see the Swastika as a symbol of hatred and death.
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| Posted 10/4/07 12:42 PM |
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Stefanie
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Re: the discussion formerly known as "NVM"
Wow, how did we get from burning crosses and gay men to swastikas?
I think people have some preconceived thoughts about Jess from the dog topic the other day and are ultra sensitive lately with her topics.
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| Posted 10/4/07 12:43 PM |
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Jesaroo
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Re: the discussion formerly known as "NVM"
thank you, i know i can always debate and discuss, but sometimes i just chose not to.
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| Posted 10/4/07 12:43 PM |
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SweetestOfPeas
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Re: the discussion formerly known as "NVM"
Posted by Ambersmom
Posted by SweetestOfPeas
Posted by Jesaroo
The swastika (from Sanskrit svástika ????????? ) is an equilateral cross with its arms bent at right angles, in either right-facing (?) or left-facing (?) forms. The term is derived from Sanskrit svasti, meaning well-being. The Thai greeting sawasdee is from the same root and carries the same implication.
Archaeological evidence of swastika-shaped ornaments dates from the Neolithic period. It has long been widely-used in Hinduism, Buddhism, and Jainism. Hindus often decorate the swastika with a dot in each quadrant. In India, it is common enough to be a part of several Devanagari fonts. It is also a symbol in the modern Unicode and is often imprinted on religious texts, marriage invitations, and decorations. It is used to mark religious flags in Jainism and Buddhist temples in Asia.
In 1920, the right-facing swastika was appropriated as a Nazi symbol, and since then has become a controversial motif. In the Western world, this usage is the most familiar.
The symbol occurs in other Asian, European, African and Native American cultures – sometimes as a geometrical motif and sometimes as a religious symbol.
and in modern times, it symbolizes a regime that slaughtered 6 million of my people!
Ask my Aunt (one of my mother's oldest friends) what she thinks of the Swastika represents when her father and mother were murdered by the Nazi's because he was a scientist and she suffered for months in a concentration camp. She was one of the "lucky" ones from the children's camp that made it out alive. She still bears the scars and ID #'s on her arm.
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| Posted 10/4/07 12:43 PM |
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SweetestOfPeas
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Re: the discussion formerly known as "NVM"
you get offended by a no dogs allowed sign, yet you can't understand why this is offensive?
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| Posted 10/4/07 12:43 PM |
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DebG
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Re: the discussion formerly known as "NVM"
Does anyone remember when Prince Harry wore a swastika for Halloween (maybe two years ago)
If the swatika is not offensive why did a LOT of the world FREAK out when they saw pictures of him? So much so that the palace had him issue a public apology?
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| Posted 10/4/07 12:44 PM |
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Jesaroo
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Re: the discussion formerly known as "NVM"
Posted by SweetestOfPeas
you get offended by a no dogs allowed sign, yet you can't understand why this is offensive?
1. who said i get offended by a no dogs allowed sign???????? no one since its not true. i completely respect no dogs allowed signs. i never assume dogs are allowed in all stores.
2. cant understand how WHAT is offensive exactly? gay men, burning crosses, swastickas, debates?
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| Posted 10/4/07 12:45 PM |
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SweetestOfPeas
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Re: the discussion formerly known as "NVM"
Posted by DebG
Does anyone remember when Prince Harry wore a swastika for Halloween (maybe two years ago)
If the swatika is not offensive why did a LOT of the world FREAK out when they saw pictures of him? So much so that the palace had him issue a public apology?
exactly. and in Germany, wearing that symbol will get you arrested
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| Posted 10/4/07 12:46 PM |
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MichelleR
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Re: the discussion formerly known as "NVM"
Posted by DebG
Does anyone remember when Prince Harry wore a swastika for Halloween (maybe two years ago)
If the swatika is not offensive why did a LOT of the world FREAK out when they saw pictures of him? So much so that the palace had him issue a public apology?
Because he wore it as a nazi.
I was offended by seeing a swastika hanging from a rearview mirror, but then I researched and found it's still a religious symbol to some. So in certain context it's ok... but of course used in a Nazi way, it is not ok.
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| Posted 10/4/07 12:47 PM |
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Jesaroo
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Re: the discussion formerly known as "NVM"
i think the majority of the ppl would get offended by the sight of a swastika, although i think most also understand it had a different meaning before the holocaust.
i personally do not like the symbol and do find it offensive but if it is part of someone religion and has a different meanign to them, well i can understand and respect that as well and nto be offended.
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