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Re: I really have to ask...
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It just comes with being the majority.
Exactly- and so as a majority, we are forced into an exhile that we did not choose, limiting our rights because of the color of our skin and the religion we practice.
So you agree that it is equally unfair then?
I don't understand. Can you please describe the exile that you are forced into?
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mommy2bella
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Re: I really have to ask...
my original thought was WHY there could be no whitesingles.com without an uproar. It turned into quite a debate on the discrimination of others.
But why can we NOT have a whitesingles.com?
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Shelly
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Re: I really have to ask...
Posted by mommy2bella
my original thought was WHY there could be no whitesingles.com without an uproar. It turned into quite a debate on the discrimination of others.
But why can we NOT have a whitesingles.com?
Because we live in a country with a profound recent history of discrimination. We also live in a society where everything needs to be politcally correct.
But I guess my next question is, what is considered white? I'm white, but I'm also Jewish. I consider myself to be white, but others don't.
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| Posted 10/17/07 3:28 PM |
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Preguntas
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Re: I really have to ask...
Posted by Shelly
Posted by Preguntas
Posted by Shelly
It just comes with being the majority.
Exactly- and so as a majority, we are forced into an exhile that we did not choose, limiting our rights because of the color of our skin and the religion we practice.
So you agree that it is equally unfair then?
I don't understand. Can you please describe the exile that you are forced into?
Obviously exhile was a strong word. But my point remains. That we have limited rights because of who we are.
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Re: I really have to ask...
Posted by Shelly
Posted by mommy2bella
my original thought was WHY there could be no whitesingles.com without an uproar. It turned into quite a debate on the discrimination of others.
But why can we NOT have a whitesingles.com?
Because we live in a country with a profound recent history of discrimination. We also live in a society where everything needs to be politcally correct.
But I guess my next question is, what is considered white? I'm white, but I'm also Jewish. I consider myself to be white, but others don't.
Well im not sure why? If the color of your skin is white then what other color would you be? 
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Shelly
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Re: I really have to ask...
Posted by Preguntas
Obviously exhile was a strong word. But my point remains. That we have limited rights because of who we are.
OK- what are those limited rights?
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Re: I really have to ask...
Posted by Shelly
Posted by Preguntas
Posted by Shelly
It just comes with being the majority.
Exactly- and so as a majority, we are forced into an exhile that we did not choose, limiting our rights because of the color of our skin and the religion we practice.
So you agree that it is equally unfair then?
I don't understand. Can you please describe the exile that you are forced into?
by proving YOUR point, you proved HERS too.
the "white" majority has limitations placed on them b/c of the fact that they are white and christian.
as do the minority groups...have limitations placed on them b/c they are in a minority group.
BUT the minority groups have certain avenues of remedy and solidarity that the majority group does not have.
I imagine that is the exile she is referring to. as minorities are isolated, so is the majority in a way.
I have a skewed perspective, b/c I am as white as bread, but my father is Puerto Rican. my husband is hispanic. I am effected by their limitations, AND also my own, as a white christian WOMAN (who is also LEFT HANDED ahem...the most discriminated group in the world  )
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Preguntas
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Re: I really have to ask...
Posted by Shelly
But I guess my next question is, what is considered white? I'm white, but I'm also Jewish. I consider myself to be white, but others don't.
This is an interesting point, because I don't get when people consider Judaism as a race. It's a religion.
But I have only ever heard that from a Jewish person.
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Re: I really have to ask...
Posted by mommy2bella
my original thought was WHY there could be no whitesingles.com without an uproar. It turned into quite a debate on the discrimination of others.
But why can we NOT have a whitesingles.com?
b/c we do. Its like Shelly said. Its IMPLIED we have all that...
In America everything is assumed to be for the white christian group UNLESS its made to be different. Then Some will say, but what about us, the white americans who would be racist if we said it differently..
Well I would say, we get it all first and formost to begin with, so I dont see any complaining to be had.
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Preguntas
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Re: I really have to ask...
Posted by Shelly
Posted by Preguntas
Obviously exhile was a strong word. But my point remains. That we have limited rights because of who we are.
OK- what are those limited rights?
Ophelia pretty much covered my point. That you are saying we have to suck it up and deal with the fact that we can't have "White" so and so, BECAUSE we are a majority. That's not right. We have to act differently because we are white Christians. Not balanced.
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Re: I really have to ask...
Posted by Ophelia
(who is also LEFT HANDED ahem...the most discriminated group in the world )
Ohhh come on...Left handed people arent discrimintated upon....they just do everything backwards!!
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| Posted 10/17/07 3:38 PM |
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Shelly
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Re: I really have to ask...
Posted by Preguntas
Ophelia pretty much covered my point. That you are saying we have to suck it up and deal with the fact that we can't have "White" so and so, BECAUSE we are a majority. That's not right. We have to act differently because we are white Christians. Not balanced.
Woah. I never you said you can't have "white" so and so.
The original question was why can't you have it without it being a big uproar.
Because white is the majority, the underlying assumption of most people is that if a race isn't specified, its for white people.
Also, Because we live in a country with a profound recent history of discrimination. We also live in a society where everything needs to be politcally correct.
Message edited 10/17/2007 3:41:59 PM.
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| Posted 10/17/07 3:39 PM |
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mommy2bella
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Re: I really have to ask...
Posted by dm24angel
Posted by mommy2bella
my original thought was WHY there could be no whitesingles.com without an uproar. It turned into quite a debate on the discrimination of others.
But why can we NOT have a whitesingles.com?
b/c we do. Its like Shelly said. Its IMPLIED we have all that...
In America everything is assumed to be for the white christian group UNLESS its made to be different. Then Some will say, but what about us, the white americans who would be racist if we said it differently..
Well I would say, we get it all first and formost to begin with, so I dont see any complaining to be had.
so match.com and eharmony.com is implied for white christians?
I am trying to keep it specific to my question?
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| Posted 10/17/07 3:42 PM |
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june262004
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Re: I really have to ask...
Posted by Lisa
Posted by Ophelia
(who is also LEFT HANDED ahem...the most discriminated group in the world )
Ohhh come on...Left handed people arent discrimintated upon....they just do everything backwards!!
Good point Good point
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Ophelia
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Re: I really have to ask...
Posted by Shelly
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Because white is the majority, the underlying assumption of most people is that if a race isn't specified, its for white people.
but why is it "for" anyone?
maybe it's my upbringing, but I never expect the presence of all anyone, or the absense of all anyone, when I look at something.
I don't think that Mr. Clean is FOR white people. or a show. I think it's for ANYONE that wants to clean their floors. when I see a commercial with black people in it, I don't assume the product is FOR them.
maybe I just think everything is FOR me
BUT, when I see things like blacksingles or JDate, I know UNEQUIVOCALLY that it is NOT for me.
the former is a persons ASSUMPTION perhaps based on history, and is open for INTERPRETATION that could be right or wrong.
the latter...leaves no real room for interpretation. I, as a white christian woman, know that even though by law these sites cannot prohibit me from viewing....that I am not really welcome there.
and there is no room for the latter in an enligtened and informed society. IMO
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Preguntas
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Re: I really have to ask...
Posted by Shelly
Posted by Preguntas
Ophelia pretty much covered my point. That you are saying we have to suck it up and deal with the fact that we can't have "White" so and so, BECAUSE we are a majority. That's not right. We have to act differently because we are white Christians. Not balanced.
Woah. I never you said you can't have "white" so and so.
The original question was why can't you have it without it being a big uproar.
Because white is the majority, the underlying assumption of most people is that if a race isn't specified, its for white people.
I did not say that you said we couldn't have it. I said that you said we had to DEAL with the fact that we can't. You're missing my point.
And I have to say- I don't understand who is "assuming" that everything on Earth is for white Christians? I really never knew that.
Doe sthat include Macys? And my local diner? And the fourth of July parade in my town? Just because the majority of people shopping, dining, or marching at those places are white, doesn't mean they're exclusionary, or that they should be judged as such. The simple fact is- if the majority of people are actually white Christians, then they are going to be the majority of people making up any event.
Right? I feel crazy. I am in no way against JDate- I think it probably makes it easier on a strongly religious Jewish person to find another. Same with the black dating website that this thread spawned from.
But it's unfair to say that just because there are more of us, we don't get to do that.
Then again... if there was a Catholic website- people wouldn't roar. Or an Irish American website.
Hmmm interesting how the word "white" has become a curse word. I blame the supremacists.
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EVERYONE is a majority, AND a minority, depending on how you group them. We're all American, so we're all in the majority. Women are over 50% of the population, so most of you here are the majority.
As a 5'6" 35 year old father of two living in Suffolk County, owning a Dodge Dakota... I'm in the minority.. where are my rights? 
www.MiddleAgedFathersOfTwoInSuffolkCountyWithDodgePickups.com
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This always upset me. I used to compete in pageants and when I saw Miss. Black Teen and all these other pageants that start at a young age, I think it is awful. And now they have Black Girl magazines etc. If there was ever a White Girl Magazine or Miss. White Teen Pageant forget it. It is soo frustrating.
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| Posted 10/17/07 3:52 PM |
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Shelly
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Re: I really have to ask...
Posted by Preguntas
I did not say that you said we couldn't have it. I said that you said we had to DEAL with the fact that we can't. You're missing my point.
And I have to say- I don't understand who is "assuming" that everything on Earth is for white Christians? I really never knew that.
Doe sthat include Macys? And my local diner? And the fourth of July parade in my town? Just because the majority of people shopping, dining, or marching at those places are white, doesn't mean they're exclusionary, or that they should be judged as such. The simple fact is- if the majority of people are actually white Christians, then they are going to be the majority of people making up any event.
Right? I feel crazy. I am in no way against JDate- I think it probably makes it easier on a strongly religious Jewish person to find another. Same with the black dating website that this thread spawned from.
But it's unfair to say that just because there are more of us, we don't get to do that.
Then again... if there was a Catholic website- people wouldn't roar. Or an Irish American website.
Hmmm interesting how the word "white" has become a curse word. I blame the supremacists.
First off- we are talking about America not Earth.
Second, this is EXACLTY my point.
Posted by Preguntas
The simple fact is- if the majority of people are actually white Christians, then they are going to be the majority of people making up any event.
Since they are the majority, they will be the majority of the people making up any event. So you don't need to specify because it is assumed and/or understood.
And I think you have a great point. If "white" seems like a dirty word, it is all the white supremicists fault.
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Ophelia
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Re: I really have to ask...
Posted by Shelly
Since they are the majority, they will be the majority of the people making up any event. So you don't need to specify because it is assumed and/or understood.
And I think you have a great point. If "white" seems like a dirty word, it is all the white supremicists fault.
Please address this point in the context of the one I made above.
b/c I this is not something that is "understood" for me...or anyone in my mixed breed family, as far as I know.
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Interesting article from the US Census:
http://www.census.gov/population/www/pop-profile/natproj.html
The race and Hispanic-origin2 distribution of the U.S. population is projected to become more diverse. As the Black; Asian and Pacific Islander; American Indian, Eskimo, and Aleut; and Hispanic-origin populations increase their proportions of the total population, the non-Hispanic White population proportion would decrease. By the turn of the century, the non-Hispanic White proportion of the population is projected to decrease to less than 72 percent with about 13 percent Black; 11 percent Hispanic origin; 4 percent Asian and Pacific Islander; and less than 1 percent American Indian, Eskimo, and Aleut. By 2050, the proportional shares shift quite dramatically. Less than 53 percent would be non-Hispanic White; 16 percent would be Black; 23 percent would be Hispanic origin; 10 percent would be Asian and Pacific Islander; and about 1 percent would be American Indian, Eskimo, and Aleut.
Non-Hispanic Whites, the slowest growing group, are likely to contribute less and less to the total population growth in this country. Although non-Hispanic Whites make up almost 75 percent of the total population, they would contribute only 35 percent of the total population growth between 1990 and 2000. This percentage of growth would decrease to 23 percent between 2000 and 2010, and 14 percent from 2010 to 2030. The non-Hispanic White population would contribute nothing to population growth after 2030 because it would be declining in size.
So, if by 2050, "whites" are less than 53%, it's safe to assume they will be less than %50 by say 2055. Will everything magically change then, since "whites" won't be a majority? 50 years is still well within our lifetimes..... 
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Preguntas
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Re: I really have to ask...
Posted by Shelly
Since they are the majority, they will be the majority of the people making up any event. So you don't need to specify because it is assumed and/or understood.
Oh, see- I was understanding you meant that it is assumed that all things ever are exclusionary to whites. Or, like you said- gearded towards whites. That's not true. They are just heavily populated by whites. Like the state of Illinois. But that doesn't mean we should start a new state and call it "Latin-onia", and by label, exclude white people. Right?
I get the point that we don't need a white dating website, becaus emost of the people on match.com are white. But the fact that we can't have it is what's unfair.
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Re: I really have to ask...
Posted by mommy2bella
I was born in 1977, so why do I have to continue to pay the price of my forefathers.
The past should not predicate how we act in the present. That is why I ask.
Hey, date who you want. I just know there wouldn't be a ginormous billboard with Miss Whitebread saying go to whitesingles.com if you want to find someone to date.
Because the descendants of those people who were targeted by our forefathers are STILL feeling, and experienced discrimination and hardship as a result, that's why.
I work in Civil Rights - the whole purpose of my being for 8 hours a day, 5 days a week, is to throw every ounce of my energy into eradicating discrimination, so this issue is very personal, and very real for me.
And what I've learned is that the point is NOT to make everyone the same, to ignore the very real and significant cultural experiences we share with people of the same color, religion or national origin, but to EMBRACE it and to celebrate those differences. That's why I see absolutely no problem with Jdate, Black dating websites, or Miss Black America.
The purpose of anti-discrimination laws isn't to obliviate those kinds of organizations and make everyone into a blank slate. The purpose is two-fold - to celebrate and embrace those differences, but at the same time, to ensure that NO ONE is being held back, targeted, or discriminated against because of those differences.
And the reason why our laws target protection of particular groups is because THOSE are the groups that experience the most difficulty, the most hardship. The point is to bring everyone to an even playing field - so that everyone has an equal chance to make something of themselves, without their race, their color, their religion, being the reason why they can't.
Until that's accomplished - until the differences in each of us are accepted and celebrated, instead of an excuse to hold someone back, those laws will continue to exist. If you look at the hard, fast statistics, it's pathetic, particularly in our schools. We aren't on an even playing field, by any means, and there's no getting around that. So, until we are, those laws will continue to exist, but so will organizations that cater to particular groups.
Sorry for the ramble and rant, this is just a very hot issue for me.
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mommy2bella
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Re: I really have to ask...
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Posted by dm24angel
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my original thought was WHY there could be no whitesingles.com without an uproar. It turned into quite a debate on the discrimination of others.
But why can we NOT have a whitesingles.com?
b/c we do. Its like Shelly said. Its IMPLIED we have all that...
In America everything is assumed to be for the white Christian group UNLESS its made to be different. Then Some will say, but what about us, the white Americans who would be racist if we said it differently..
Well I would say, we get it all first and formost to begin with, so I dont see any complaining to be had.
so match.com and eharmony.com is implied for white christians?
I am trying to keep it specific to my question?
I don't think so. I think that those sites offer diversity i.e.. White, black, Jew, gentile etc. Whereas jdate and blacksingles offer exclusivity.
If you are Jewish or black and only want to date in the confines of that then those are your options. If you want to date outside of those confines you are welcome on the other sites that don't specify a certain ethnicity.
that's what I mean though. Why would whites not be allowed "exclusivity"?
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