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Re: Did we discuss the Penn State scandal? (updated Sandusky interview with Bob Costas link)
Posted by brownie
But this is all secondary still to the victims. The anger of Penn State students/alumni/employees should be re-directed towards their beloved University for allowing this to happen.
BINGO!!!
Give the woman a prize! 
It's baffling to me how anyone could think about anything other than those poor, defenseless KIDS.
How ANYONE could SEE with their OWN TWO EYES a CHILD being HELD against the shower wall being RAPED and the only thing they could do was call their father?
Ok, so lets say they WERE in such a state of shock that the first thing they thought to do was call their dad; what kind of FATHER doesn't say, "get back in there and get that boy out, I'm calling 911 NOW!!"
What kind of MAN tells his son to come home and they talk about what to do?
What kind of MAN tells his son to wait the rest of that night and go to Joe Paterno INSTEAD of the police??
Disgusting.
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Re: Did we discuss the Penn State scandal? (updated Sandusky interview with Bob Costas link)
EXACTLY.
McQueary's dad should be hanging his head in SHAME imho.
If the man is still alive I hope he also has to hide from his friends and neighbors until his DYING DAY.
If he is DEAD right now then I hope God has shown him mercy, because I certainly cannot.
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Re: Did we discuss the Penn State scandal? (updated Sandusky interview with Bob Costas link)
There is NO suitable punishment here... may they all rot in hell 
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Re: Did we discuss the Penn State scandal? (updated Sandusky interview with Bob Costas link)
Posted by brownie
Great op-ed piece from the NY times (the school is morally bankrupt)
Clicky
Understand what he is saying but totally disagree about the football. The players on this team have pretty much worked their whole adolescent lives to play on that team. they have ZERO to do with the sexual abuse allegations. They, the players, are innocent. So if a biology professor rapes a student and the chairperson covers it up, do we shut down the biology department? No, we deal with the individuals that committed the crime - whether it was the rape or covering it up. You can't punish the innocent because of crimes of the guilty. While the team could have forfeited the game, it is not the players responsibility to make amends for the crimes of others.
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Re: Did we discuss the Penn State scandal? (updated Sandusky interview with Bob Costas link)
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Posted by brownie
Great op-ed piece from the NY times (the school is morally bankrupt)
Clicky
Understand what he is saying but totally disagree about the football. The players on this team have pretty much worked their whole adolescent lives to play on that team. they have ZERO to do with the sexual abuse allegations. They, the players, are innocent. So if a biology professor rapes a student and the chairperson covers it up, do we shut down the biology department? No, we deal with the individuals that committed the crime - whether it was the rape or covering it up. You can't punish the innocent because of crimes of the guilty. While the team could have forfeited the game, it is not the players responsibility to make amends for the crimes of others.
I just can't disagree more.
If that hypothetical biology department was a PROFIT CENTER for the school, and the chairperson covered it up in order to PROTECT that profitable department, well then YES we shut it down. You shut it down because corruption at that level is a cancerous tumor that will mercilessly kill the rest of your departments, your student body, and your entire institution. So you shut it down if you care about saving the patient (i.e. the institution).
You tell all of your brilliant and hardworking biology students that their credits and scholarships and accomplishments will now be open to transfer to ANY accredited university of their choosing assuming their grades meet the school's requirements. You work this deal out with your peers in the hallowed halls of academia and pay any and all costs of transfer to the new institution, even coughing up the tuition difference if you need to - after all you have the money after YEARS and DECADES of making the aforementioned profit from those same students and teachers. Also this transfer deal will work well to stave off the inevitable civil lawsuits you'd be subject to in the absence of some kind of "deal".
Then you get down to the REAL business of saving your esteemed institution and you spare no expense or effort in rebuilding that holy mess from the ground up. I don't care if you have to BOMB the biology building, its labs, its archives and its auditoriums. You go in with a SCORCHED EARTH MUTHERF'ER POLICY.
And you rebuild from there.
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Re: Did we discuss the Penn State scandal? (updated Sandusky interview with Bob Costas link)
Posted by colette
Posted by mrsej
Posted by brownie
Great op-ed piece from the NY times (the school is morally bankrupt)
Clicky
Understand what he is saying but totally disagree about the football. The players on this team have pretty much worked their whole adolescent lives to play on that team. they have ZERO to do with the sexual abuse allegations. They, the players, are innocent. So if a biology professor rapes a student and the chairperson covers it up, do we shut down the biology department? No, we deal with the individuals that committed the crime - whether it was the rape or covering it up. You can't punish the innocent because of crimes of the guilty. While the team could have forfeited the game, it is not the players responsibility to make amends for the crimes of others.
I just can't disagree more.
If that hypothetical biology department was a PROFIT CENTER for the school, and the chairperson covered it up in order to PROTECT that profitable department, well then YES we shut it down. You shut it down because corruption at that level is a cancerous tumor that will mercilessly kill the rest of your departments, your student body, and your entire institution. So you shut it down if you care about saving the patient (i.e. the institution).
You tell all of your brilliant and hardworking biology students that their credits and scholarships and accomplishments will now be open to transfer to ANY accredited university of their choosing assuming their grades meet the school's requirements. You work this deal out with your peers in the hallowed halls of academia and pay any and all costs of transfer to the new institution, even coughing up the tuition difference if you need to - after all you have the money after YEARS and DECADES of making the aforementioned profit from those same students and teachers. Also this transfer deal will work well to stave off the inevitable civil lawsuits you'd be subject to in the absence of some kind of "deal".
Then you get down to the REAL business of saving your esteemed institution and you spare no expense or effort in rebuilding that holy mess from the ground up. I don't care if you have to BOMB the biology building, its labs, its archives and its auditoriums. You go in with a SCORCHED EARTH MUTHERF'ER POLICY.
And you rebuild from there.
thank you for writing this because i sure as heck couldn't. i TOTALLY agree!!
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Re: Did we discuss the Penn State scandal? (updated Sandusky interview with Bob Costas link)
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Posted by colette
Posted by mrsej
Posted by brownie
Great op-ed piece from the NY times (the school is morally bankrupt)
Clicky
Understand what he is saying but totally disagree about the football. The players on this team have pretty much worked their whole adolescent lives to play on that team. they have ZERO to do with the sexual abuse allegations. They, the players, are innocent. So if a biology professor rapes a student and the chairperson covers it up, do we shut down the biology department? No, we deal with the individuals that committed the crime - whether it was the rape or covering it up. You can't punish the innocent because of crimes of the guilty. While the team could have forfeited the game, it is not the players responsibility to make amends for the crimes of others.
I just can't disagree more.
If that hypothetical biology department was a PROFIT CENTER for the school, and the chairperson covered it up in order to PROTECT that profitable department, well then YES we shut it down. You shut it down because corruption at that level is a cancerous tumor that will mercilessly kill the rest of your departments, your student body, and your entire institution. So you shut it down if you care about saving the patient (i.e. the institution).
You tell all of your brilliant and hardworking biology students that their credits and scholarships and accomplishments will now be open to transfer to ANY accredited university of their choosing assuming their grades meet the school's requirements. You work this deal out with your peers in the hallowed halls of academia and pay any and all costs of transfer to the new institution, even coughing up the tuition difference if you need to - after all you have the money after YEARS and DECADES of making the aforementioned profit from those same students and teachers. Also this transfer deal will work well to stave off the inevitable civil lawsuits you'd be subject to in the absence of some kind of "deal".
Then you get down to the REAL business of saving your esteemed institution and you spare no expense or effort in rebuilding that holy mess from the ground up. I don't care if you have to BOMB the biology building, its labs, its archives and its auditoriums. You go in with a SCORCHED EARTH MUTHERF'ER POLICY.
And you rebuild from there.
thank you for writing this because i sure as heck couldn't. i TOTALLY agree!!
I love when CC replies because 99% of the time I have the same thoughts and it saves me time
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Re: Did we discuss the Penn State scandal? (updated Sandusky interview with Bob Costas link)
Posted by colette
Posted by mrsej
Posted by brownie
Great op-ed piece from the NY times (the school is morally bankrupt)
Clicky
Understand what he is saying but totally disagree about the football. The players on this team have pretty much worked their whole adolescent lives to play on that team. they have ZERO to do with the sexual abuse allegations. They, the players, are innocent. So if a biology professor rapes a student and the chairperson covers it up, do we shut down the biology department? No, we deal with the individuals that committed the crime - whether it was the rape or covering it up. You can't punish the innocent because of crimes of the guilty. While the team could have forfeited the game, it is not the players responsibility to make amends for the crimes of others.
I just can't disagree more.
If that hypothetical biology department was a PROFIT CENTER for the school, and the chairperson covered it up in order to PROTECT that profitable department, well then YES we shut it down. You shut it down because corruption at that level is a cancerous tumor that will mercilessly kill the rest of your departments, your student body, and your entire institution. So you shut it down if you care about saving the patient (i.e. the institution).
You tell all of your brilliant and hardworking biology students that their credits and scholarships and accomplishments will now be open to transfer to ANY accredited university of their choosing assuming their grades meet the school's requirements. You work this deal out with your peers in the hallowed halls of academia and pay any and all costs of transfer to the new institution, even coughing up the tuition difference if you need to - after all you have the money after YEARS and DECADES of making the aforementioned profit from those same students and teachers. Also this transfer deal will work well to stave off the inevitable civil lawsuits you'd be subject to in the absence of some kind of "deal".
Then you get down to the REAL business of saving your esteemed institution and you spare no expense or effort in rebuilding that holy mess from the ground up. I don't care if you have to BOMB the biology building, its labs, its archives and its auditoriums. You go in with a SCORCHED EARTH MUTHERF'ER POLICY.
And you rebuild from there.
that would be a great solution, but it is impossible and would never happen in reality b/c it would be a logistical nightmare - so Ohio State or Nebraska iare going to take in Penn State students? Also, you tell a Junior, who has been going to penn state for three years to pack it in and transfer. How is this fair to this student. It is not. I understand what you are saying, but to just say "screw you" to these players, which is what you are saying, is not fair. I guess we agree to disagree.
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Re: Did we discuss the Penn State scandal? (updated Sandusky interview with Bob Costas link)
Posted by mrsej
Posted by colette
Posted by mrsej
Posted by brownie
Great op-ed piece from the NY times (the school is morally bankrupt)
Clicky
Understand what he is saying but totally disagree about the football. The players on this team have pretty much worked their whole adolescent lives to play on that team. they have ZERO to do with the sexual abuse allegations. They, the players, are innocent. So if a biology professor rapes a student and the chairperson covers it up, do we shut down the biology department? No, we deal with the individuals that committed the crime - whether it was the rape or covering it up. You can't punish the innocent because of crimes of the guilty. While the team could have forfeited the game, it is not the players responsibility to make amends for the crimes of others.
I just can't disagree more.
If that hypothetical biology department was a PROFIT CENTER for the school, and the chairperson covered it up in order to PROTECT that profitable department, well then YES we shut it down. You shut it down because corruption at that level is a cancerous tumor that will mercilessly kill the rest of your departments, your student body, and your entire institution. So you shut it down if you care about saving the patient (i.e. the institution).
You tell all of your brilliant and hardworking biology students that their credits and scholarships and accomplishments will now be open to transfer to ANY accredited university of their choosing assuming their grades meet the school's requirements. You work this deal out with your peers in the hallowed halls of academia and pay any and all costs of transfer to the new institution, even coughing up the tuition difference if you need to - after all you have the money after YEARS and DECADES of making the aforementioned profit from those same students and teachers. Also this transfer deal will work well to stave off the inevitable civil lawsuits you'd be subject to in the absence of some kind of "deal".
Then you get down to the REAL business of saving your esteemed institution and you spare no expense or effort in rebuilding that holy mess from the ground up. I don't care if you have to BOMB the biology building, its labs, its archives and its auditoriums. You go in with a SCORCHED EARTH MUTHERF'ER POLICY.
And you rebuild from there.
that would be a great solution, but it is impossible and would never happen in reality b/c it would be a logistical nightmare - so Ohio State or Nebraska iare going to take in Penn State students? Also, you tell a Junior, who has been going to penn state for three years to pack it in and transfer. How is this fair to this student. It is not. I understand what you are saying, but to just say "screw you" to these players, which is what you are saying, is not fair. I guess we agree to disagree.
Actually the first two years of college I went to Boston University and they CUT the football program there because it was draining money. Most the students there w/football scholarships ended up transferring out...
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Re: Did we discuss the Penn State scandal? (updated Sandusky interview with Bob Costas link)
Posted by brownie
Posted by mrsej
Posted by colette
Posted by mrsej
Posted by brownie
Great op-ed piece from the NY times (the school is morally bankrupt)
Clicky
Understand what he is saying but totally disagree about the football. The players on this team have pretty much worked their whole adolescent lives to play on that team. they have ZERO to do with the sexual abuse allegations. They, the players, are innocent. So if a biology professor rapes a student and the chairperson covers it up, do we shut down the biology department? No, we deal with the individuals that committed the crime - whether it was the rape or covering it up. You can't punish the innocent because of crimes of the guilty. While the team could have forfeited the game, it is not the players responsibility to make amends for the crimes of others.
I just can't disagree more.
If that hypothetical biology department was a PROFIT CENTER for the school, and the chairperson covered it up in order to PROTECT that profitable department, well then YES we shut it down. You shut it down because corruption at that level is a cancerous tumor that will mercilessly kill the rest of your departments, your student body, and your entire institution. So you shut it down if you care about saving the patient (i.e. the institution).
You tell all of your brilliant and hardworking biology students that their credits and scholarships and accomplishments will now be open to transfer to ANY accredited university of their choosing assuming their grades meet the school's requirements. You work this deal out with your peers in the hallowed halls of academia and pay any and all costs of transfer to the new institution, even coughing up the tuition difference if you need to - after all you have the money after YEARS and DECADES of making the aforementioned profit from those same students and teachers. Also this transfer deal will work well to stave off the inevitable civil lawsuits you'd be subject to in the absence of some kind of "deal".
Then you get down to the REAL business of saving your esteemed institution and you spare no expense or effort in rebuilding that holy mess from the ground up. I don't care if you have to BOMB the biology building, its labs, its archives and its auditoriums. You go in with a SCORCHED EARTH MUTHERF'ER POLICY.
And you rebuild from there.
that would be a great solution, but it is impossible and would never happen in reality b/c it would be a logistical nightmare - so Ohio State or Nebraska iare going to take in Penn State students? Also, you tell a Junior, who has been going to penn state for three years to pack it in and transfer. How is this fair to this student. It is not. I understand what you are saying, but to just say "screw you" to these players, which is what you are saying, is not fair. I guess we agree to disagree.
Actually the first two years of college I went to Boston University and they CUT the football program there because it was draining money. Most the students there w/football scholarships ended up transferring out...
same at Hofstra last year
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Re: Did we discuss the Penn State scandal? (updated Sandusky interview with Bob Costas link)
Posted by brownie
Posted by mrsej
Posted by colette
Posted by mrsej
Posted by brownie
Great op-ed piece from the NY times (the school is morally bankrupt)
Clicky
Understand what he is saying but totally disagree about the football. The players on this team have pretty much worked their whole adolescent lives to play on that team. they have ZERO to do with the sexual abuse allegations. They, the players, are innocent. So if a biology professor rapes a student and the chairperson covers it up, do we shut down the biology department? No, we deal with the individuals that committed the crime - whether it was the rape or covering it up. You can't punish the innocent because of crimes of the guilty. While the team could have forfeited the game, it is not the players responsibility to make amends for the crimes of others.
I just can't disagree more.
If that hypothetical biology department was a PROFIT CENTER for the school, and the chairperson covered it up in order to PROTECT that profitable department, well then YES we shut it down. You shut it down because corruption at that level is a cancerous tumor that will mercilessly kill the rest of your departments, your student body, and your entire institution. So you shut it down if you care about saving the patient (i.e. the institution).
You tell all of your brilliant and hardworking biology students that their credits and scholarships and accomplishments will now be open to transfer to ANY accredited university of their choosing assuming their grades meet the school's requirements. You work this deal out with your peers in the hallowed halls of academia and pay any and all costs of transfer to the new institution, even coughing up the tuition difference if you need to - after all you have the money after YEARS and DECADES of making the aforementioned profit from those same students and teachers. Also this transfer deal will work well to stave off the inevitable civil lawsuits you'd be subject to in the absence of some kind of "deal".
Then you get down to the REAL business of saving your esteemed institution and you spare no expense or effort in rebuilding that holy mess from the ground up. I don't care if you have to BOMB the biology building, its labs, its archives and its auditoriums. You go in with a SCORCHED EARTH MUTHERF'ER POLICY.
And you rebuild from there.
that would be a great solution, but it is impossible and would never happen in reality b/c it would be a logistical nightmare - so Ohio State or Nebraska iare going to take in Penn State students? Also, you tell a Junior, who has been going to penn state for three years to pack it in and transfer. How is this fair to this student. It is not. I understand what you are saying, but to just say "screw you" to these players, which is what you are saying, is not fair. I guess we agree to disagree.
Actually the first two years of college I went to Boston University and they CUT the football program there because it was draining money. Most the students there w/football scholarships ended up transferring out...
But you are comparing apples to oranges - not even - BU has a pretty much nonexistant football team - it is horrible. You cannot even compare it to Penn State. Football players that go there are not even on the same level as Penn State players.
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Re: Did we discuss the Penn State scandal? (updated Sandusky interview with Bob Costas link)
I don't think the school should be shut down. I don't agree with dismantling the entire football & school because of this nightmare. I'd like to see a full investigation -depositions, emails subpoenaed, computers confiscated, etc. & ANYONE involved in hiding this situation prosecuted fully (or tortured & killed would be nice.).
But it is this school of thought that perpetuated the abuse of children?
Posted by mrsej
But you are comparing apples to oranges - not even - BU has a pretty much nonexistant football team - it is horrible. You cannot even compare it to Penn State. Football players that go there are not even on the same level as Penn State players.
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Re: Did we discuss the Penn State scandal? (updated Sandusky interview with Bob Costas link)
Posted by nrthshgrl
I don't think the school should be shut down. I don't agree with dismantling the entire football & school because of this nightmare. I'd like to see a full investigation -depositions, emails subpoenaed, computers confiscated, etc. & ANYONE involved in hiding this situation prosecuted fully (or tortured & killed would be nice.).
But it is this school of thought that perpetuated the abuse of children?
Posted by mrsej
But you are comparing apples to oranges - not even - BU has a pretty much nonexistant football team - it is horrible. You cannot even compare it to Penn State. Football players that go there are not even on the same level as Penn State players.
Barb I agree with your line of thought as I feel the kids in Penn State and on the football team had nothing to do with the actions of Jerry Sandusky, Joe Paterno, Tim Curley and everyone else involved in this HORRIBLE case.
However, it IS the mindset and attitude that football is paramount to, well, apparently, ANYTHING including the rape of children that needs to be erased from that school, it's students, fans, and supporters mentality and I'm not sure just how you can do that without scrapping the program.
When the students are rioting and there are signs being displayed at this past weekend's game saying "We love you Joe Pa" it's clear to me, they just don't "get it".
My brother dated a girl who went to PS and football is THE mindset. It's all the people in that school and the area of State College really give thought and credence to. He was down there for MANY weekends and MANY football games and he said it's like a cult. They eat, breathe, SLEEP Penn State football.
How do you change that mindset? How do you change that culture?
This is all they know.
Horrifying if you ask me...
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Re: Did we discuss the Penn State scandal? (updated Sandusky interview with Bob Costas link)
Sandusky's recent interview did nothing to his so called innocence. This guy needs to spend the rest of his life in jail and I can not believe he lives near an elementary school 
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Re: Did we discuss the Penn State scandal? (updated Sandusky interview with Bob Costas link)
Posted by mrsBLT
another great op-ed article, also from the NY Times
here
It's more than a little ridiculous to me that this article seems to be comparing speaking up about a sexist comment or an inappropriate question in an interview to the RAPE OF CHILDREN. Maybe I could say that I would stand up against a sexist comment and then in the moment, I would decide it wasn't worth it. There is NO WAY that this would be conceivable if I saw a child being raped. The points this author uses to back up his thesis in this article just don't cut it for me.
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Re: Did we discuss the Penn State scandal? (updated Sandusky interview with Bob Costas link)
Posted by adeline27
Sandusky's recent interview did nothing to his so called innocence. This guy needs to spend the rest of his life in jail and I can not believe he lives near an elementary school
Did anyone read this part of his interview the same way I did:
Well -- you might think that," Sandusky said. "I don't know. (LAUGHS) In terms of -- my relationship with so many, many young people. I would -- I would guess that there are many young people who would come forward. Many more young people who would come forward and say that my methods and -- and what I had done for them made a very positive impact on their life. And I didn't go around seeking out every young person for sexual needs that I've helped. . There are many that I didn't have -- I hardly had any contact with who I have helped in many, many ways.
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Re: Did we discuss the Penn State scandal? (updated Sandusky interview with Bob Costas link)
Posted by mrsej
that would be a great solution, but it is impossible and would never happen in reality b/c it would be a logistical nightmare - so Ohio State or Nebraska iare going to take in Penn State students? Also, you tell a Junior, who has been going to penn state for three years to pack it in and transfer. How is this fair to this student. It is not. I understand what you are saying, but to just say "screw you" to these players, which is what you are saying, is not fair. I guess we agree to disagree.
Certainly not implying it's fair. As to logistical nightmare, well, that doesn't phase me. We have after all sent a man to the moon. it can be done.
If I were a player on that team I'd be FUMING. FUMING. At every single person who had an opportunity to end this nightmare, to STOP it in its tracks, and chose not to. I'd be FURIOUS. I'd be bitter. And I personally have a huge amount of empathy for them, they most certainly are victims of this, albeit secondary ones.
And that's the thing with rebuilding - you generally can't do it on a compromised foundation.
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Re: Did we discuss the Penn State scandal? (updated Sandusky interview with Bob Costas link)
Posted by colette
If I were a player on that team I'd be FUMING. FUMING. At every single person who had an opportunity to end this nightmare, to STOP it in its tracks, and chose not to. I'd be FURIOUS. I'd be bitter. And I personally have a huge amount of empathy for them, they most certainly are victims of this, albeit secondary ones.
And that's the thing with rebuilding - you generally can't do it on a compromised foundation.
Colette, I agree with you wholeheartedly, I do. But you're looking at this situation through the eyes of a grown woman. A mom. Someone much older and wiser than a 19 year old guy.
Sadly, I'm not deluding myself into thinking those kids on that football team feel bad for anyone other than themselves, their beloved coach, and program. And I think their sentiment is not uncommon down there. Sure I'd be willing to be there are SOME students, perhaps even athletes and football players who feel bad, but I don't think the majority do. It's like the kids who've been violated and abused are secondary.
The riots and signs speak for themselves.
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Re: Did we discuss the Penn State scandal? (updated Sandusky interview with Bob Costas link)
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Posted by adeline27
Sandusky's recent interview did nothing to his so called innocence. This guy needs to spend the rest of his life in jail and I can not believe he lives near an elementary school
Did anyone read this part of his interview the same way I did:
Well -- you might think that," Sandusky said. "I don't know. (LAUGHS) In terms of -- my relationship with so many, many young people. I would -- I would guess that there are many young people who would come forward. Many more young people who would come forward and say that my methods and -- and what I had done for them made a very positive impact on their life. And I didn't go around seeking out every young person for sexual needs that I've helped. . There are many that I didn't have -- I hardly had any contact with who I have helped in many, many ways.
I missed this but I didn't miss how his attorney John Amendola said there would be victims speaking out about how nothing happened.
I can't help but wonder if they're going after these victims, threatening or paying them off.
As I've said before, this case involves a LOT of people with a LOT of money.
Unlimited resources can be a dangerous thing.
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| Posted 11/15/11 5:09 PM |
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Re: Did we discuss the Penn State scandal? (updated Sandusky interview with Bob Costas link)
Posted by Jennie0898
Posted by colette
If I were a player on that team I'd be FUMING. FUMING. At every single person who had an opportunity to end this nightmare, to STOP it in its tracks, and chose not to. I'd be FURIOUS. I'd be bitter. And I personally have a huge amount of empathy for them, they most certainly are victims of this, albeit secondary ones.
And that's the thing with rebuilding - you generally can't do it on a compromised foundation.
Colette, I agree with you wholeheartedly, I do. But you're looking at this situation through the eyes of a grown woman. A mom. Someone much older and wiser than a 19 year old guy.
Sadly, I'm not deluding myself into thinking those kids on that football team feel bad for anyone other than themselves, their beloved coach, and program. And I think their sentiment is not uncommon down there. Sure I'd be willing to be there are SOME students, perhaps even athletes and football players who feel bad, but I don't think the majority do. It's like the kids who've been violated and abused are secondary.
The riots and signs speak for themselves.
God, man Jennie I just don't know and I just pray that's not true.
I had the good fortune to attend a local university that some might call "basketball centric" during its glory years.
I even knew some of those legendary dudes who went on to shatter records and put the school in the history books for athletic achievement. They were good eggs, mainly. Sure some were driven by ego and narcissism, most weren't. They were good kids from good homes who were looking at multi-million dollar paydays in some cases at the age of 22 or younger. That's a headtrip that would challenge many a well-adjusted individual and I'm pretty sure the school, the team, the families and everyone else around felt the weight of that burden to cling to a "normal" life for their superstar jock every single day. KIDS + TALENT + MILLIONS OF DOLLARS AT STAKE is tricky territory, always has been. Still I prefer to think those athletes are horrified by it all, and if they're not, perhaps their families ARE and will explain to them the soul-crushing reality of child abuse in any form, and corruption so ingrained that caused otherwise decent people to lose their damn minds.
My take on the rioting was that really it was a juvenile (but I'll cut some slack, they are kids after all) reaction to a SHOCK, like a cataclysmic shift in reality, and the kids simply did not know what to do with their frustration, anger, and disappointment so it bubbled over into public and inane disorderly conduct. I don't really believe the ahtletes themselves were at the center of it, frankly. I'm pretty sure the administration and team have had those kids on LOCKDOWN since the scandal broke.
But yes, as an older (WAY older actually
 ) woman, and a mom, and a Catholic, wait, better yet an IRISH Catholic (*see: Church scandal, Ireland for details), a sports-centric university graduate, yaddayadda my feelings are filtered through my experience.
And none of my opinions matter one fig in all of this, frankly.
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| Posted 11/15/11 5:28 PM |
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smdl
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Re: Did we discuss the Penn State scandal? (updated Sandusky interview with Bob Costas link)
Posted by Jennie0898
Posted by colette
If I were a player on that team I'd be FUMING. FUMING. At every single person who had an opportunity to end this nightmare, to STOP it in its tracks, and chose not to. I'd be FURIOUS. I'd be bitter. And I personally have a huge amount of empathy for them, they most certainly are victims of this, albeit secondary ones.
And that's the thing with rebuilding - you generally can't do it on a compromised foundation.
Colette, I agree with you wholeheartedly, I do. But you're looking at this situation through the eyes of a grown woman. A mom. Someone much older and wiser than a 19 year old guy.
Sadly, I'm not deluding myself into thinking those kids on that football team feel bad for anyone other than themselves, their beloved coach, and program. And I think their sentiment is not uncommon down there. Sure I'd be willing to be there are SOME students, perhaps even athletes and football players who feel bad, but I don't think the majority do. It's like the kids who've been violated and abused are secondary.
The riots and signs speak for themselves.
Then maybe THEIR parents can put some commen sense into them.
Reading the interview I am not surprised. Even caught in the act, child molesters will deny deny deny. They are trully convinced they do nothing wrong. They are that sick!
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| Posted 11/15/11 5:34 PM |
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kelkel09
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Re: Did we discuss the Penn State scandal? (updated Sandusky interview with Bob Costas link)
Posted by Jennie0898
Posted by colette
If I were a player on that team I'd be FUMING. FUMING. At every single person who had an opportunity to end this nightmare, to STOP it in its tracks, and chose not to. I'd be FURIOUS. I'd be bitter. And I personally have a huge amount of empathy for them, they most certainly are victims of this, albeit secondary ones.
And that's the thing with rebuilding - you generally can't do it on a compromised foundation.
Colette, I agree with you wholeheartedly, I do. But you're looking at this situation through the eyes of a grown woman. A mom. Someone much older and wiser than a 19 year old guy.
Sadly, I'm not deluding myself into thinking those kids on that football team feel bad for anyone other than themselves, their beloved coach, and program. And I think their sentiment is not uncommon down there. Sure I'd be willing to be there are SOME students, perhaps even athletes and football players who feel bad, but I don't think the majority do. It's like the kids who've been violated and abused are secondary.
The riots and signs speak for themselves.
I have to say this is a huge generalization. I am not sure if you are aware of how many people attend Penn State and how many alumni there actually are. Hundreds of thousands combined. The rioters are a small portion of the Penn State community and they don't represent the feelings of all of the student body and alumni. I don't think it is fair to say that most people care only about foodball and not about the victims. I attended Penn State and am truly saddened by all of this. Yes, I am heartbroken that this has all happened and has tarnished the reputation of the school and that Joepa's career ended the way it did (I don't disagree that he should have been fired, but just said that it played out how it did). However, I am mostly devestated for those poor boys. I think the media has turned this whole thing into a major circus. Instead of focusing on the victims, they have turned all of the attention onto Joepa. I still think that to say people at Penn State don't care about the victims is unfair. There are a lot of Penn Staters working hard right now to raise awareness and $$ to support the victims. Of course they don't show that on the news though.
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| Posted 11/15/11 6:37 PM |
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nrthshgrl
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Re: Did we discuss the Penn State scandal? (updated Sandusky interview with Bob Costas link)
Posted by Jennie0898
Posted by nrthshgrl
Posted by adeline27
Sandusky's recent interview did nothing to his so called innocence. This guy needs to spend the rest of his life in jail and I can not believe he lives near an elementary school
Did anyone read this part of his interview the same way I did:
Well -- you might think that," Sandusky said. "I don't know. (LAUGHS) In terms of -- my relationship with so many, many young people. I would -- I would guess that there are many young people who would come forward. Many more young people who would come forward and say that my methods and -- and what I had done for them made a very positive impact on their life. And I didn't go around seeking out every young person for sexual needs that I've helped. . There are many that I didn't have -- I hardly had any contact with who I have helped in many, many ways.
I missed this but I didn't miss how his attorney John Amendola said there would be victims speaking out about how nothing happened.
I can't help but wonder if they're going after these victims, threatening or paying them off.
As I've said before, this case involves a LOT of people with a LOT of money.
Unlimited resources can be a dangerous thing.
I'm sure they've tried to pay off victims but there will be a lot of people speaking out on how nothing happened because what child molestors do is GROOM the kids. They test, they seek out the most needy, they try minor physical contact, which escalates before they move in. So yes, there will be some kids lining up to speak about how he changed their lives for the better. But that doesn't mean he didn't abuse the other victims.
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| Posted 11/15/11 8:55 PM |
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smdl
I love Gary too..on a plate!
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Re: Did we discuss the Penn State scandal? (updated Sandusky interview with Bob Costas link)
Posted by nrthshgrl
Posted by Jennie0898
Posted by nrthshgrl
Posted by adeline27
Sandusky's recent interview did nothing to his so called innocence. This guy needs to spend the rest of his life in jail and I can not believe he lives near an elementary school
Did anyone read this part of his interview the same way I did:
Well -- you might think that," Sandusky said. "I don't know. (LAUGHS) In terms of -- my relationship with so many, many young people. I would -- I would guess that there are many young people who would come forward. Many more young people who would come forward and say that my methods and -- and what I had done for them made a very positive impact on their life. And I didn't go around seeking out every young person for sexual needs that I've helped. . There are many that I didn't have -- I hardly had any contact with who I have helped in many, many ways.
I missed this but I didn't miss how his attorney John Amendola said there would be victims speaking out about how nothing happened.
I can't help but wonder if they're going after these victims, threatening or paying them off.
As I've said before, this case involves a LOT of people with a LOT of money.
Unlimited resources can be a dangerous thing.
I'm sure they've tried to pay off victims but there will be a lot of people speaking out on how nothing happened because what child molestors do is GROOM the kids. They test, they seek out the most needy, they try minor physical contact, which escalates before they move in. So yes, there will be some kids lining up to speak about how he changed their lives for the better. But that doesn't mean he didn't abuse the other victims.
You are so right!
Because that's what they do. They study, try and move on the right victim.
They are well versed on choosing their prey. Those who most likely won't talk.
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