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Re: Absolutely sick over this NYPD shooting/murder
I don't consider a opinion piece from Fox News a source. Obama saying police departments have gotten into bad habits is not inciting anything, it's a fact. The amount of unarmed minority men being shot by police in the last year is staggering. This is not a race war or a war on police. A mentally ill man shot two police officers. That's a tragedy, not a trend.
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Oh okay. An opinion video from Fox News. Totally legit and unbiased.
Still not seeing where these leaders called for a violent response.
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Oh okay. An opinion video from Fox News. Totally legit and unbiased.
Still not seeing where these leaders called for a violent response.
I agree. They haven't. In fact, they have said countless times that violence isn't going to help and have urged all things to be peaceful to get anywhere.
But people are trying to do all they can to spin this into a political issue and blame game and it's sick to me. On all sides.
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Absolutely sick over this NYPD shooting/murder
Do you all think it was appropriate for Diblassio to talk about how he told his son to protect himself from the police ?
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Absolutely sick over this NYPD shooting/murder
Has Sharpton said anything else aside from his bull$hit fill in the bank statement he issued?
Also, the shooters Ex GF died? She was in critical condition this morning.
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Do you all think it was appropriate for Diblassio to talk about how he told his son to protect himself from the police ?
Absolutely not. He is egging these people on, and using the fact that he has mixed race children for political gain. And that idiot Al Sharpton needs to take a seat. He isn't helping anything.
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Do you all think it was appropriate for Diblassio to talk about how he told his son to protect himself from the police ?
Absolutely not. He is egging these people on, and using the fact that he has mixed race children for political gain.
Why should he stop now, he did this during his entire campaign too. Just sad.
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Do you all think it was appropriate for Diblassio to talk about how he told his son to protect himself from the police ?
Yes I do think its appropriate that he talks to his son on how to act during a police encounter. Frankly I think everyone should talk to their children on how to act god forbid they are ever stopped by the police. Its not anti-police to teach respect and how not do to anything to escalate a situation.
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Re: Absolutely sick over this NYPD shooting/murder
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Curious..
As we become angrier and more divided, it got me thinking about the future....
For those who support the protests- what is your desired outcome/goal? I hear buzz words like 'reform' and 'consequences' but I'd love to understand what that looks like in reality.
We pride ourselves - as a country - on having due process. We created a system where we have a jury decide the outcome - not a single, potentially partial judge. So in these scenarios, when an indictment isn't handed down because a jury of peers didn't find enough evidence to move ahead, what are protesters suggesting should be done to avoid similar fates down the road? How would evidence be assessed? Cases be judged? Am I missing the mark here?
What more can be done to weed out bad apples of the police department? What reforms need to happen? Sensitivity training? I can't envision what protesters are looking for in terms of 'training officers.'
Change, in abstraction is great. As a concept, it's sexy. It's rose colored and exciting. It got our President elected. It's easy to yell loudly and march across a city and decry the injustices.
But then what?
I dont have the answers but clearly see the system is broken. What we need is open, transparent dialogue and a system where when incidents happen that a truly neutral agency spearheads an investigation. Also having cops of a different race patrolling in a community needs to change-there needs to be diversity because based on what I am hearing, many feel that having predominantly caucasian cops in a black neighborhood is challenging, not just for the officer but the very people that need protecting so that needs to change. I really have to sit and give it thought but as I said open dialogue with the people capable of instituting change-the first task is to identify who would make up said group.
You make some valid points and I don't have a problem with an open mindedness to reforms,if needed. However, I don't understand how putting more minority cops in minority high crime areas will change anything. If a cop is black he needs to uphold the law in the same way a white cop would. He cannot be more lenient or behave differently. A black cop would have had to call out a Michael Brown or an Eric Garner. Also, do we really think a gang banger or other criminal cares what race the cop is. Are they going to say , "gee , he's black. I feel more understood, I think I will behave differently. It is also a slippery slope. What's to then say, we feel uncomfortable having a black cop in a majority white area? Where does this go? The only benefit I can see is that if there is an incident and both the civilian and the cop are black , no one can blame race. Finally,I think a problem with all these discussions, is that most of the people on this site live in safe, suburban , majority white neighborhoods and don't have a true understanding of what cops really face in these dangerous , inner city areas.I don't pretend to have any first hand experience,but from my contact with those that do, I think the lawlessness and Wild West mentality that is pervasive in these areas would be hard for us to understand. It is an enormous challenge to an officer of any color to keep civilians/themsleves safe in this kind of environment. In neighborhoods with 200 active gangs ,you don't know who is armed and who will shoot you for no reason. That would make any human being more frightened/ on edge and must quicker to act with force. It's a very hard situation.
ITA This is what I was thinking. So basically you think a) the black communities would have more respect for black cops b)whites ARE being racist. Because the issue is lack of respect for authority when an officer tries to arrest or interrogate a civilian.
Change needs to come from within the communities, and once again, these troublemaking rallies have not helped stress the REAL issue and that is, as a CIVILIAN TO HAVE RESPECT FOR THE LAW. But oh right, we ARE talking about criminals (brown and garner, albeit a petty crime he was committing). And since they were criminals, pretty easy to understand why they resisted arrest and had no respect for the police.
Still boggles my mind ALL of this precipitated from 2CRIMINALS RESISTING arrest and bucking back at AUTHORITY, the POLICE.
If it was a black cop involved in these incidents, I highly doubt it would have changed ANYTHING other than no one could cry racism.
What I'm suggesting comes from conversations with people in communities that have alot of crime. As a recruiter I've met thousands of people and had interns out of some of the worst areas. And a common subject is the lack of connection with cops in their communities and they said it would perhaps be helpful to have more minority cops
AND caucasian cops JOINTLY patrol as it seems to be mostly caucasian cops policing their area and there are serious issues with how each side interacts with the other ...racism is definitely an issue or perhaps the cops are having continual bad days coupled with lack of respect and fear from citizens in these communities but all I can say is..different people from "troubled" communities have the same story or concern so maybe it's a valid concern that needs to be addressed.
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Posted by MrsA1012
Do you all think it was appropriate for Diblassio to talk about how he told his son to protect himself from the police ?
I don't know. I do think in this current climate, it's good to re-affirm to children/teens/youth what to do and what nOT to do when it comes the police. I don't think what he said was that awful of indicative of anything, but that's my opinion.
I mean, if people here and elsewhere can say what Rudy said was fair and honest, then wouldn't it mean the same for what deblasio said to his son?
I also think so many people know this was senseless. And awful. And I think the MAJORITY do support the police. I saw a bunch of community activists and civilians coming out and showing support for the police, leaving flowers, saying a prayer .. People of all races. I think we are forgetting that the anti -police hate mongers are quite small. And ignorant. There is no reasoning with them ...
But i also don't agree that just because you see or desire some reform on BoTH sides, that it makes you anti cop or anti authority.. I personally will never think any system or institution runs perfectly and always does right. That's not reality. There is always room for improvement, there are always bad apples and sometimes things need to change. And in order for that to happen, they need support. And the opposing side needs to change too. But what is it? What will it take?
I think this was an awful crime committed by a mentally ill individual. I fault him.
Majority does support police though.
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Re: Absolutely sick over this NYPD shooting/murder
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Do you all think it was appropriate for Diblassio to talk about how he told his son to protect himself from the police ?
what exactly in his statements about Dante did you find so inflammatory.
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Do you all think it was appropriate for Diblassio to talk about how he told his son to protect himself from the police ?
what exactly in his statements about Dante did you find so inflammatory.
The implication was not that he wanted his son to be respectful toward police bc he respects police. It was that he needed to teach his son how to act toward police as to not become a victim of the police-implying that police would give his son a hard time for no reason other than the color of his skin. This is highly insulting to the 30,000+ NYPD police officers that work for him-how would you feel if your boss basically called you a racist who he feared?
I wonder if he also warned his son about avoiding certain NYC neighborhoods, because statistically Dante has a much higher chance of becoming a victim of black on black crime, than he does becoming a "victim" of the police.
But nobody likes to talk about THAT elephant in the room. DiBlasio ran an anti-cop campaign, and continues to be anti-cop, and to pretend otherwise is refusing to see the big picture.
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Re: Absolutely sick over this NYPD shooting/murder
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Do you all think it was appropriate for Diblassio to talk about how he told his son to protect himself from the police ?
what exactly in his statements about Dante did you find so inflammatory.
The implication was not that he wanted his son to be respectful toward police bc he respects police. It was that he needed to teach his son how to act toward police as to not become a victim of the police-implying that police would give his son a hard time for no reason other than the color of his skin. This is highly insulting to the 30,000+ NYPD police officers that work for him-how would you feel if your boss basically called you a racist who he feared?
I wonder if he also warned his son about avoiding certain NYC neighborhoods, because statistically Dante has a much higher chance of becoming a victim of black on black crime, than he does becoming a "victim" of the police.
But nobody likes to talk about THAT elephant in the room. DiBlasio ran an anti-cop campaign, and continues to be anti-cop, and to pretend otherwise is refusing to see the big picture.
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Do you all think it was appropriate for Diblassio to talk about how he told his son to protect himself from the police ?
I don't know. I do think in this current climate, it's good to re-affirm to children/teens/youth what to do and what nOT to do when it comes the police. I don't think what he said was that awful of indicative of anything, but that's my opinion.
I mean, if people here and elsewhere can say what Rudy said was fair and honest, then wouldn't it mean the same for what deblasio said to his son?
I also think so many people know this was senseless. And awful. And I think the MAJORITY do support the police. I saw a bunch of community activists and civilians coming out and showing support for the police, leaving flowers, saying a prayer .. People of all races. I think we are forgetting that the anti -police hate mongers are quite small. And ignorant. There is no reasoning with them ...
But i also don't agree that just because you see or desire some reform on BoTH sides, that it makes you anti cop or anti authority.. I personally will never think any system or institution runs perfectly and always does right. That's not reality. There is always room for improvement, there are always bad apples and sometimes things need to change. And in order for that to happen, they need support. And the opposing side needs to change too. But what is it? What will it take?
I think this was an awful crime committed by a mentally ill individual. I fault him.
Majority does support police though.
ITA. Wanting reform isn't anti cop overall. And no nothing DeBlassio said makes him responsible IMO.
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Re: Absolutely sick over this NYPD shooting/murder
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Do you all think it was appropriate for Diblassio to talk about how he told his son to protect himself from the police ?
what exactly in his statements about Dante did you find so inflammatory.
The implication was not that he wanted his son to be respectful toward police bc he respects police. It was that he needed to teach his son how to act toward police as to not become a victim of the police-implying that police would give his son a hard time for no reason other than the color of his skin. This is highly insulting to the 30,000+ NYPD police officers that work for him-how would you feel if your boss basically called you a racist who he feared?
I wonder if he also warned his son about avoiding certain NYC neighborhoods, because statistically Dante has a much higher chance of becoming a victim of black on black crime, than he does becoming a "victim" of the police.
But nobody likes to talk about THAT elephant in the room. DiBlasio ran an anti-cop campaign, and continues to be anti-cop, and to pretend otherwise is refusing to see the big picture.
Exactly! There is a reason why NYPD police were signing forms weeks ago saying that in the event they died in the line of duty that they didn't want De blasio at their funerals. Because they feel he threw them under the bus and is anti-cop. And I agree with them!
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Exactly. It was NOT about being respectful towards police. Listen to what he said. It was about how he may be RACIALLY targeted since he was not white and that he had to protect himself because of this. NOT in ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM about being respectful towards police. Please.
So true.
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Do you all think it was appropriate for Diblassio to talk about how he told his son to protect himself from the police ?
Yes I do think its appropriate that he talks to his son on how to act during a police encounter. Frankly I think everyone should talk to their children on how to act god forbid they are ever stopped by the police. Its not anti-police to teach respect and how not do to anything to escalate a situation.
Again this was not Diblasios point. His point was to state that his son is a target of racist police b/c he is black. And that his son had to protect himself from police because of that. This was not a man teaching his son to respect police, based on his own words - about Dante facing the "dangers" of police!!!!!
Now I personally think he spun his conversation to appeal to the public, again, in an anti cop, I relate to you kinda way.Either way, the mayor of the NYC should NOT be saying that to the public. SHOULD NOT be perpetuating any ill feelings towards the police, or any implication of racism. And the mere point that he feels that way, then he should NOT be mayor b/c HE IS THE ONE WHO IS BIASED.
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But wasn't the overwhelming majority of those stopped and frisked "minorities"? (Hate the term minorities, that's why it's in quotes) And most of the time, innocent? Am I wrong? Not being snarky. So with those facts in hand, wouldn't it make sense that he would tell his son what to do?
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Here's the way I see it..there are good and bad EVERYWHERE..cops, teachers, firefighters, baristas at Starbucks...I don't think those people deserve to die...I think we cannot make criminals into heroes because they died...and, as another poster said..there is violence day to day between people and it angers no one..
As for protesting..I am all about PEACEFUL but laying down in the street for no apparent reason is not peaceful...yelling and demanding the killing of others is not peaceful...plus, as another poster said, what is the goal?? I think people (not all, but definitely enough) are just reaching for something...and I think there are enough sick individuals out there to twist "the message" and that's what you saw this weekend..he was not the only one tweeting, etc. about wanting to kill cops...
On a larger note, no one wants "big brother" but then we see people writing online that they want to kill cops-how do we just let that go and watch innocent people die??
This entire incident has unnerved me..
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Re: Absolutely sick over this NYPD shooting/murder
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Do you all think it was appropriate for Diblassio to talk about how he told his son to protect himself from the police ?
what exactly in his statements about Dante did you find so inflammatory.
The implication was not that he wanted his son to be respectful toward police bc he respects police. It was that he needed to teach his son how to act toward police as to not become a victim of the police-implying that police would give his son a hard time for no reason other than the color of his skin. This is highly insulting to the 30,000+ NYPD police officers that work for him-how would you feel if your boss basically called you a racist who he feared?
I wonder if he also warned his son about avoiding certain NYC neighborhoods, because statistically Dante has a much higher chance of becoming a victim of black on black crime, than he does becoming a "victim" of the police.
But nobody likes to talk about THAT elephant in the room. DiBlasio ran an anti-cop campaign, and continues to be anti-cop, and to pretend otherwise is refusing to see the big picture.
First, I just want to say that my thoughts and prayers go out to the two officers and their families and loved ones. That should be our priority right now, and I almost wish there were two separate threads, one for that and one for the debate about blame and other issues. But, so it goes.
Second, I am a NYC public teacher not far from where this shooting took place and I see this issue as so very complex.
Respectfully to the quoted poster - and I don't mean to single you out as many seem to share your opinion - I see focusing on DeBlasio as an anti cop instigator who is somehow to blame for this as the exact definition of "refusing to see the big picture."
The shooter is to blame.
Other dynamics at fault - in a distant second place and in no particular order - are poverty, petty crime, racism, lack of respect for law enforcement, too many guns, absurd drug laws, faults in our mental health system, etc. I'm sure there are a dozen more.
Should DeBlasio not have made his comment about his son? Perhaps he should have clarified that his son does not need to be protected from most officers, that it's a small minority that abuse their power - just like it's a small minority of protesters that were chanting about dead cops. However, otherwise, DeBlasio was right. His son DOES need to take special care if he's walking around alone. I've seen it myself, and it has nothing to do with a young black man appearing to be law abiding or not. Again, it's not a majority, but it's enough that those conversations need to happen. DeBlasio's main mistake was saying something out loud that gave his opponents fodder. He made it clear in his statements that his son would never think about breaking the law, and that he was speaking for law abiding citizens, not criminals who deserve to be frisked, bothered, etc.
We need less rhetoric and blame and more solutions.
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But wasn't the overwhelming majority of those stopped and frisked "minorities"? (Hate the term minorities, that's why it's in quotes) And most of the time, innocent? Am I wrong? Not being snarky. So with those facts in hand, wouldn't it make sense that he would tell his son what to do?
Yes, because the areas they were conducting Stop and Frisk BASED on crime also tended to be places where minorities lived. If you look up statistics, you will see that "Stop and Frisk" was successful at getting illegal guns off the street and potentially stopping future crimes.
I was torn about "stop and frisk" bc while it was working, I believe it was unconstitutional.
But the truth of the matter is police are protecting citizens in NYC. All citizens, in all neighborhoods. They are overwhelmingly good. Of course every bunch has it's bad apple. Teachers, priest, business men. No group is exempt from corruption. The mayor sent the wrong message when he spoke after the Garner case, and now his words are hollow.
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Do you all think it was appropriate for Diblassio to talk about how he told his son to protect himself from the police ?
Absolutely not. He is egging these people on, and using the fact that he has mixed race children for political gain. And that idiot Al Sharpton needs to take a seat. He isn't helping anything.
I absolutely agree. He told the Dante story to gain favor among minorities for sure. I don't even necessarily buy that he even had that conversation. I think the dummy thought it sounded good, and was trying to sway others that he can "relate" to them.
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They went to work that day to protect and serve. They put on the uniform. They risked their lives and were gunned down by some animal wanting to "put wings on some pigs". I'm glad that asshole killed himself. There is a special place in hell for people like that.
As a daughter, a sister, a niece, and a friend to officers my heart is truly broken. The world we live in is garbage. The simple reality is if you are not breaking the law you have NOTHING to fear from police. You honestly don't. Yes there are bad cops, but there is bad everywhere and in every profession. To those standing and giving judgment I say you go to school and wear the uniform. You let your loved ones live with this. You be the one to make it better. Until them if you could say a prayer for all the families out there scared to death for their loved ones it would be appreciated.
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Bill O'Reilly - Bill Deblasio is incompetent, anti police, best friends of Al Sharpton and cannot run the CITY. He disgraced the office of NYC and should resign.This is awesome, I love Bill O'Reilly.
http://insider.foxnews.com/2014/12/22/bill-oreilly-incompetent-de-blasio-cannot-run-nyc-must-resign
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Re: Absolutely sick over this NYPD shooting/murder
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Posted by MrsA1012
Do you all think it was appropriate for Diblassio to talk about how he told his son to protect himself from the police ?
what exactly in his statements about Dante did you find so inflammatory.
The implication was not that he wanted his son to be respectful toward police bc he respects police. It was that he needed to teach his son how to act toward police as to not become a victim of the police-implying that police would give his son a hard time for no reason other than the color of his skin. This is highly insulting to the 30,000+ NYPD police officers that work for him-how would you feel if your boss basically called you a racist who he feared?
I wonder if he also warned his son about avoiding certain NYC neighborhoods, because statistically Dante has a much higher chance of becoming a victim of black on black crime, than he does becoming a "victim" of the police.
But nobody likes to talk about THAT elephant in the room. DiBlasio ran an anti-cop campaign, and continues to be anti-cop, and to pretend otherwise is refusing to see the big picture.
First, I just want to say that my thoughts and prayers go out to the two officers and their families and loved ones. That should be our priority right now, and I almost wish there were two separate threads, one for that and one for the debate about blame and other issues. But, so it goes.
Second, I am a NYC public teacher not far from where this shooting took place and I see this issue as so very complex.
Respectfully to the quoted poster - and I don't mean to single you out as many seem to share your opinion - I see focusing on DeBlasio as an anti cop instigator who is somehow to blame for this as the exact definition of "refusing to see the big picture."
The shooter is to blame.
Other dynamics at fault - in a distant second place and in no particular order - are poverty, petty crime, racism, lack of respect for law enforcement, too many guns, absurd drug laws, faults in our mental health system, etc. I'm sure there are a dozen more.
Should DeBlasio not have made his comment about his son? Perhaps he should have clarified that his son does not need to be protected from most officers, that it's a small minority that abuse their power - just like it's a small minority of protesters that were chanting about dead cops. However, otherwise, DeBlasio was right. His son DOES need to take special care if he's walking around alone. I've seen it myself, and it has nothing to do with a young black man appearing to be law abiding or not. Again, it's not a majority, but it's enough that those conversations need to happen. DeBlasio's main mistake was saying something out loud that gave his opponents fodder. He made it clear in his statements that his son would never think about breaking the law, and that he was speaking for law abiding citizens, not criminals who deserve to be frisked, bothered, etc.
We need less rhetoric and blame and more solutions.
Yes. Yes. A thousand times, YES. As a resident of NYC who voted for Deblasio, I completely agree.
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