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Re: Absolutely sick over this NYPD shooting/murder
Posted by KellyFG
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There has most certainly been credible evidence the last 3 weeks of black gangs ordered to kill on duty and off duty cops. Cops (my family is NYPD, so it's not hearsay), have been ordered to their desks, do not serve warrants, do nothing unless an arrest is guaranteed, to protect themselves. There is a bounty on cops heads, where have you been?!
This POS mayor has incited this, instigated this brazen behavior. Allowed it. Encouraged it. He is no leader. He is a poor, pathetic excuse for a leader of any city, let alone NY.
It is pitiful that law enforcement has to be afraid to do their jobs. Maybe some people don't remember what NYC was like during times of weak leadership. My family owned a large car wholesale business on Jerome Ave in the Bronx for 30 years. There was a time when 5 or 6 cars would get stolen everyday in broad daylight and when we called the police to make reports they would not get out of their patrol car under any circumstance. They were fearful, rightfully so because they were being killed regularly.
Yes, there are bad cops but the lesson that is being missed here is respect. It starts with self respect, then respect for authority. All people in our society need to be reminded that laws exist for ALL of us. I believe in enforcing the law to the fullest extent. Many of you know my story, I have an adult child that was convicted of a very serious( nonviolent) crime and I am proud to say he was punished to the fullest extent of the law.
He has been roughed up by law enforcement many times since being released from jail and my response is- don't be a criminal, don't act shady, drive a legal vehicle, etc and you won't get roughed up. Because of his record police will be concerned about him and I agree with them. Now after 5 years of a clean record and conducting himself like a quality citizen he is starting to deserve the same treatment as people who obey laws. This is my son! A double standard does not apply! Do not break the law! It's very simple!
You are a rare type of parent nowadays and I applaud you for your parenting skills and tough love!! Too many parents want to blame everyone else and side with their kids from even a young age. They start by gettting into trouble for being a punk at school and the parents blame the teachers... Then it continues years later as they are blaming the cops. It's a sad and scary world and yesterday's events prove just how scary it is getting.There should be more parents like you... Like there used to be years ago. Kids used to say "when I got in trouble at school if my parents found out, I would get double at home" . Now parents want to go up to the school and yell and blame the teachers and then blame the cops and it's always " not my kid". That's part of the problem. The entitlement and no one taking responsibility for their or their kids actions. Kudos to you!
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Re: Absolutely sick over this NYPD shooting/murder
Posted by LeeCR7
It is absolutely sickening. It is heartbreaking that these men were executed while doing their job. A tragedy and a crime.
I don't like this trend we seem to be getting into in judging which lives are worth more. It's better, somehow, if those who are not police officers die? What lives are worth more than other? Is there a list somewhere I could look at?
We feel so strongly when police officers and soldiers die because they die protecting us, and that is something they earn. But it does not mean we can't mourn other deaths, or that other lives aren't equally valuable. Who gets to judge that? You? Me? If one of my daughters becomes a police officer while the other becomes an accountant, am I going to mourn more if the police officer daughter is killed? Of course not.
There is this terrible falsehood that we have to pick a side. We can either be behind the police and stand behind every decision every cop ever makes or we can recognize the tragedy of the deaths of Garner and Brown (because they are tragedies, even if preventable ones: try telling their families, mothers, children otherwise) and, in doing so, hate and disrespect the police. That is simply insane. Most of us are going to react on a case-by-case basis rather than paint every situation with one brush.
There are extremists everywhere, in every movement, in every group. This group is no better or worse. In terms of reading comments posted online, have you not seen the incredible amount of racist comments that are often posted? Or sexist comments? You certainly can't judge a movement by anonymous comments posted online.
Be angry at these murders. Be sad. Be proactive in thinking abut how to prevent others. But don't let the actions of one evil man color your ideas of an entire group, just like those on the other side can't let the actions of a few police officers color their perception of all police officers. Be better than that. Because if most of us can't do that, I fear for us all.
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Re: Absolutely sick over this NYPD shooting/murder
Posted by sometimesmommy
Posted by gina409
I took it as the "killers" of Eric garner and Michael brown are alive and free
And the officers Killer is not and had he not taken his life h would have been prosecuted where as the other officers were not
So in essence it is comparing the two as if they are be same
And they are the complete opposite
Unless you think the officers in those cases went out that day with the intent to murder brown and garner
So to compRe the two in any sense to me is mind boggling
The fact that either side is considering one life to be worth more than the other is mind boggling.
If no one else will say it, I will. The lives of the two men that were murdered yesterday are worth more than the CRIMINALS that died.
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Re: Absolutely sick over this NYPD shooting/murder
Posted by SlurpeeDad
Posted by sometimesmommy
Posted by gina409
I took it as the "killers" of Eric garner and Michael brown are alive and free
And the officers Killer is not and had he not taken his life h would have been prosecuted where as the other officers were not
So in essence it is comparing the two as if they are be same
And they are the complete opposite
Unless you think the officers in those cases went out that day with the intent to murder brown and garner
So to compRe the two in any sense to me is mind boggling
The fact that either side is considering one life to be worth more than the other is mind boggling.
If no one else will say it, I will. The lives of the two men that were murdered yesterday are worth more than the CRIMINALS that died.
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Re: Absolutely sick over this NYPD shooting/murder
Posted by KittyShops
Posted by SlurpeeDad
Posted by sometimesmommy
Posted by gina409
I took it as the "killers" of Eric garner and Michael brown are alive and free
And the officers Killer is not and had he not taken his life h would have been prosecuted where as the other officers were not
So in essence it is comparing the two as if they are be same
And they are the complete opposite
Unless you think the officers in those cases went out that day with the intent to murder brown and garner
So to compRe the two in any sense to me is mind boggling
The fact that either side is considering one life to be worth more than the other is mind boggling.
If no one else will say it, I will. The lives of the two men that were murdered yesterday are worth more than the CRIMINALS that died.
I agree. I am not sorry to say that I find it appalling that anyone would even think that a CRIMINAL's life is more important than a selfless police officer risking his/her life EVERYDAY to save THOSE OF YOU FROM THESE CRIMINALS.
DISGUSTING.
PLEASE FEND FOR YOURSELF WHEN IN DANGER, DON'T CALL THE POLICE SINCE THEY ARE YOUR ENEMY. Go ahead, try that when you are in danger. Let's see how you do on your own. DISGUSTING.
You do all realize that police will cut back on petty crime response, or anything other than severe danger bc of this INSANITY that has been perpetuated by Mayor and even Obama. Good luck getting help with petty crimes now, the city will go to SHIT after this for sure.
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Re: Absolutely sick over this NYPD shooting/murder
Posted by SlurpeeDad
Posted by sometimesmommy
Posted by gina409
I took it as the "killers" of Eric garner and Michael brown are alive and free
And the officers Killer is not and had he not taken his life h would have been prosecuted where as the other officers were not
So in essence it is comparing the two as if they are be same
And they are the complete opposite
Unless you think the officers in those cases went out that day with the intent to murder brown and garner
So to compRe the two in any sense to me is mind boggling
The fact that either side is considering one life to be worth more than the other is mind boggling.
If no one else will say it, I will. The lives of the two men that were murdered yesterday are worth more than the CRIMINALS that died.
And I'd say it all depends on who you speak to.
ETA-Which is why this can get out of hand if not handled properly.
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Re: Absolutely sick over this NYPD shooting/murder
Posted by LeeCR7
But to blame this targeting on the recent protests is wrong and completely misses the point. ... But blaming the protesters is not the way to do it. It's just not going to work. Just like the way that evil man took the easy and cowardly way out by targeting innocent officers, it's is unfair and ineffective to equate the protests with causing these murders.
I am really trying to see your point, but I have to respectfully disagree:
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Re: Absolutely sick over this NYPD shooting/murder
Posted by gina409
But this is where I'm confused
You day it's another reason to respect those who choose this line of work
But don't you think if garner and brown respected the police the outcome might be different?
And I'm not taking about police action after which caused their death I'm speaking in terms of we have such a lack of respect for police
Where as their deaths the protests and all
After may have never happened
We have absolutely no control over what parents teach their children. I'm interested in solutions that are realistic. Making police safer and better police training are both things we can implement right now.
Plus, most of us will never know what it is like to feel targeted by police. How can you ask people to respect an institution that doesn't seem to value their lives? I would imagine it would be very difficult, although, luckily, I don't really know. That's where better training and building better relationships come in. With those, respect will naturally follow.
And I don't necessarily agree that respect of police is the magical answer to all police shootings. If you believe Johnson's account of the Michael Brown shooting, it would have made no difference. The man who was shot dead in the stairwell by police didn't say a single word before he was killed. And Garner was not disrespectful toward the police, in my opinion. He fairly calmly asked them why they were bothering him (as I'm sure you know, he had just broken up the fight that had broken out that they may have been responding to in the first place). Would it have made a difference? Maybe. There's no way for us to know that, and there is certainly no way for us to force people to respect police. Respect only comes when it feels earned, and listening to some of the protesters' concerns is a reasonable start.
I think the problem, too, is that some people (I'm not saying you, Gina-I don't know if you feel this way) are using the word "respect" as shorthand for "do every single thing the police officer says." That is not what we are required to do (except in an emergency situation). That is why we are allowed not to answer questions. It's why police are not allowed to beat us to get answers. Respecting police means listening to what they have to say and responding calmly, not blindly doing whatever they say just because they have a badge. It is our right to request an explanation (in a non-dangerous situation, of course-active situations have different rules). And it is their right to safely arrest us in response.
I personally respect police officers, but I don't think it is disrespectful to question them. It is our right and responsibility as citizens. And every officer (at least in the NYPD) is taught that and how to appropriately respond when they are questioned.
To bring it back to the lost officers, they were never given a chance to show that they were good cops, as I'm sure they were. By having these reasoned, if passionate discussions, hopefully we can lessen the chances of another tragedy.
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Re: Absolutely sick over this NYPD shooting/murder
Posted by Goobster
Posted by KittyShops
Posted by SlurpeeDad
Posted by sometimesmommy
Posted by gina409
I took it as the "killers" of Eric garner and Michael brown are alive and free
And the officers Killer is not and had he not taken his life h would have been prosecuted where as the other officers were not
So in essence it is comparing the two as if they are be same
And they are the complete opposite
Unless you think the officers in those cases went out that day with the intent to murder brown and garner
So to compRe the two in any sense to me is mind boggling
The fact that either side is considering one life to be worth more than the other is mind boggling.
If no one else will say it, I will. The lives of the two men that were murdered yesterday are worth more than the CRIMINALS that died.
I agree. I am not sorry to say that I find it appalling that anyone would even think that a CRIMINAL's life is more important than a selfless police officer risking his/her life EVERYDAY to save THOSE OF YOU FROM THESE CRIMINALS.
DISGUSTING.
PLEASE FEND FOR YOURSELF WHEN IN DANGER, DON'T CALL THE POLICE SINCE THEY ARE YOUR ENEMY. Go ahead, try that when you are in danger. Let's see how you do on your own. DISGUSTING.
You do all realize that police will cut back on petty crime response, or anything other than severe danger bc of this INSANITY that has been perpetuated by Mayor and even Obama. Good luck getting help with petty crimes now, the city will go to SHIT after this for sure.
yes. this. wake up people. this is a post i came across. food for thought.
-buck sexton:
THOUGHT EXPERIMENT AFTER TODAY'S MURDER OF COPS
Imagine for a moment that the protestors last week were chanting "What do we want? Dead____" and insert any ethnic, racial, or religious group you can think of.
Completely unacceptable, right? Evil. Beyond the pale. No question.
In fact, it would be illegal, as incitement to violence. But there's more-
Imagine the outrage that would ensue- rightly so- and the loud calls of condemnation. Whatever protest movement was behind such an incitement to violence would be shouted down and ostracized.
And then, for a moment, assume that two members of that targeted ethnic group or religious group (doesn't matter which one) were brutally murdered by a gunman who was acting in the name of that same protest movement that was calling for the violence.
Would anyone downplay the role of that movement in inciting the murders?
Would anyone make excuses, and talk about how this shouldn't take our attention away from that movement's legitimate grievances?
Would anyone say we should now focus on healing, and addressing the "awareness" that said movement was calling for in the first place?
Of course not. That would be insane.
So how can any rational, sentient person think that a movement that calls for "dead cops" should be treated with any more seriousness and deference than a movement that calls for the murder of any other specific group of our citizens?
Protestors who spew hatred about "racist police" and "killer cops" do not deserve our attention or respect. And anyone who marches alongside them or speaks from a place of solidarity with them should be looked upon with disdain.
These anti-cop protestors should all be treated with the disgust we would expect for public calls to murder any other group of our fellow human beings.
Police officers are people too. They are parents, siblings, loved ones and friends. I have worked alongside them, and entrusted my life to them. That they are cops does not negate their humanity in any way, and only a vile and despicable coward would suggest it does.
Cops stand guard, day and night, to protect us.
Now it's time we stand up for them.
?#?copslivesmatter?
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Re: Absolutely sick over this NYPD shooting/murder
Posted by SlurpeeDad
Posted by sometimesmommy
Posted by gina409
I took it as the "killers" of Eric garner and Michael brown are alive and free
And the officers Killer is not and had he not taken his life h would have been prosecuted where as the other officers were not
So in essence it is comparing the two as if they are be same
And they are the complete opposite
Unless you think the officers in those cases went out that day with the intent to murder brown and garner
So to compRe the two in any sense to me is mind boggling
The fact that either side is considering one life to be worth more than the other is mind boggling.
If no one else will say it, I will. The lives of the two men that were murdered yesterday are worth more than the CRIMINALS that died.
I feel the same. Thank you.
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Re: Absolutely sick over this NYPD shooting/murder
Posted by McSullivan
Posted by LeeCR7
But to blame this targeting on the recent protests is wrong and completely misses the point. ... But blaming the protesters is not the way to do it. It's just not going to work. Just like the way that evil man took the easy and cowardly way out by targeting innocent officers, it's is unfair and ineffective to equate the protests with causing these murders.
I am really trying to see your point, but I have to respectfully disagree:
I'd be happy to discuss it further, but I'm afraid your video isn't working for me, so I'm not sure what to respond to. I'm sure it is my very old computer that is the problem. If you describe it I will try to give you my thoughts.
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Re: Absolutely sick over this NYPD shooting/murder
Posted by luvmotherhood
Posted by Goobster
Posted by KittyShops
Posted by SlurpeeDad
Posted by sometimesmommy
Posted by gina409
I took it as the "killers" of Eric garner and Michael brown are alive and free
And the officers Killer is not and had he not taken his life h would have been prosecuted where as the other officers were not
So in essence it is comparing the two as if they are be same
And they are the complete opposite
Unless you think the officers in those cases went out that day with the intent to murder brown and garner
So to compRe the two in any sense to me is mind boggling
The fact that either side is considering one life to be worth more than the other is mind boggling.
If no one else will say it, I will. The lives of the two men that were murdered yesterday are worth more than the CRIMINALS that died.
I agree. I am not sorry to say that I find it appalling that anyone would even think that a CRIMINAL's life is more important than a selfless police officer risking his/her life EVERYDAY to save THOSE OF YOU FROM THESE CRIMINALS.
DISGUSTING.
PLEASE FEND FOR YOURSELF WHEN IN DANGER, DON'T CALL THE POLICE SINCE THEY ARE YOUR ENEMY. Go ahead, try that when you are in danger. Let's see how you do on your own. DISGUSTING.
You do all realize that police will cut back on petty crime response, or anything other than severe danger bc of this INSANITY that has been perpetuated by Mayor and even Obama. Good luck getting help with petty crimes now, the city will go to SHIT after this for sure.
yes. this. wake up people. this is a post i came across. food for thought.
-buck sexton:
THOUGHT EXPERIMENT AFTER TODAY'S MURDER OF COPS
Imagine for a moment that the protestors last week were chanting "What do we want? Dead____" and insert any ethnic, racial, or religious group you can think of.
Completely unacceptable, right? Evil. Beyond the pale. No question.
In fact, it would be illegal, as incitement to violence. But there's more-
Imagine the outrage that would ensue- rightly so- and the loud calls of condemnation. Whatever protest movement was behind such an incitement to violence would be shouted down and ostracized.
And then, for a moment, assume that two members of that targeted ethnic group or religious group (doesn't matter which one) were brutally murdered by a gunman who was acting in the name of that same protest movement that was calling for the violence.
Would anyone downplay the role of that movement in inciting the murders?
Would anyone make excuses, and talk about how this shouldn't take our attention away from that movement's legitimate grievances?
Would anyone say we should now focus on healing, and addressing the "awareness" that said movement was calling for in the first place?
Of course not. That would be insane.
So how can any rational, sentient person think that a movement that calls for "dead cops" should be treated with any more seriousness and deference than a movement that calls for the murder of any other specific group of our citizens?
Protestors who spew hatred about "racist police" and "killer cops" do not deserve our attention or respect. And anyone who marches alongside them or speaks from a place of solidarity with them should be looked upon with disdain.
These anti-cop protestors should all be treated with the disgust we would expect for public calls to murder any other group of our fellow human beings.
Police officers are people too. They are parents, siblings, loved ones and friends. I have worked alongside them, and entrusted my life to them. That they are cops does not negate their humanity in any way, and only a vile and despicable coward would suggest it does.
Cops stand guard, day and night, to protect us.
Now it's time we stand up for them.
?#?copslivesmatter?
Everything you say here is right. But, again, these people do not represent the movement of people who are asking for better police training and fair consequences for officers who may have stepped over the line. Most of these people are not anti-cop; they are anti-bad cop.
It would be like saying that all pro-life people should be judged by the very few who set off bombs in abortion clinics or even those who harrass women going to the clinics. And that is just not fair. It is a small minority.
People keep wanting to make it simple. It's not, and the sooner we acknowledge that, the sooner we can start to fix it.
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Re: Absolutely sick over this NYPD shooting/murder
Posted by LeeCR7
Posted by McSullivan
Posted by LeeCR7
But to blame this targeting on the recent protests is wrong and completely misses the point. ... But blaming the protesters is not the way to do it. It's just not going to work. Just like the way that evil man took the easy and cowardly way out by targeting innocent officers, it's is unfair and ineffective to equate the protests with causing these murders.
I am really trying to see your point, but I have to respectfully disagree:
I'd be happy to discuss it further, but I'm afraid your video isn't working for me, so I'm not sure what to respond to. I'm sure it is my very old computer that is the problem. If you describe it I will try to give you my thoughts.
Understood. It's the video of protesters chanting for dead cops in the streets of New York City last weekend.
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Re: Absolutely sick over this NYPD shooting/murder
Posted by gina409
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This man is now dead. And had he not died, there is no doubt he would have been prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. In fact, doesn't killing law enforcement still result in the death penalty in New York State?
The men who killed Eric garner and Michael brown are alive and free.
And just because this man chose himself as the representative of a group doesn't mean he was. To do something like this, he was clearly not well.
The killing of these officers should never even in the slightest be compared to the killings of Eric garner and Michael brown
The circumstances are so completely different
To compare that he is dead and the other officers are not are mind boggling to me
Amen. I am shocked and horrified that anyone can put their names in the same sentence as these poor officers.
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Re: Absolutely sick over this NYPD shooting/murder
Posted by SlurpeeDad
If no one else will say it, I will. The lives of the two men that were murdered yesterday are worth more than the CRIMINALS that died.
Then we have a fundamental disagreement, because I don't think we, as fallible humans who cannot have access to all the millions of factors that make a person "good" or "bad," can make that call. And I feel like that simplistic type of characterization hurts us all. You have chosen one aspect of who these men were and used it to judge their worth. Would you like to be judged like that? I wouldn't.
It's enough of a tragedy that the officers were murdered yesterday. We can only try to use it to galvanize positive change, since the evil man who killed them is dead.
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Re: Absolutely sick over this NYPD shooting/murder
Posted by McSullivan
Posted by LeeCR7
Posted by McSullivan
Posted by LeeCR7
But to blame this targeting on the recent protests is wrong and completely misses the point. ... But blaming the protesters is not the way to do it. It's just not going to work. Just like the way that evil man took the easy and cowardly way out by targeting innocent officers, it's is unfair and ineffective to equate the protests with causing these murders.
I am really trying to see your point, but I have to respectfully disagree:
I'd be happy to discuss it further, but I'm afraid your video isn't working for me, so I'm not sure what to respond to. I'm sure it is my very old computer that is the problem. If you describe it I will try to give you my thoughts.
Understood. It's the video of protesters chanting for dead cops in the streets of New York City last weekend.
Thanks! I think I actually covered that mainly in a response right above you. It is indefensible and awful, but not justification for dismissing everything they are protesting against. Most protesters did not go to such depths, thankfully. If you want to extend some blame to those specific people, fine. I won't defend them. But it is not fair to extend that blame to all of the protesters.
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Re: Absolutely sick over this NYPD shooting/murder
Posted by SlurpeeDad
Posted by sometimesmommy
Posted by gina409
I took it as the "killers" of Eric garner and Michael brown are alive and free
And the officers Killer is not and had he not taken his life h would have been prosecuted where as the other officers were not
So in essence it is comparing the two as if they are be same
And they are the complete opposite
Unless you think the officers in those cases went out that day with the intent to murder brown and garner
So to compRe the two in any sense to me is mind boggling
The fact that either side is considering one life to be worth more than the other is mind boggling.
If no one else will say it, I will. The lives of the two men that were murdered yesterday are worth more than the CRIMINALS that died.
Yep. Exactly. Sorry I felt no sympathy at all for those 2 perps. 2 less scumbags clogging up the jails and system. Oh well.
Don't break the law and you'll be fine. Break the law, make that choice, resist arrest, you take your chances. You want to live like a criminal, you may just die like one. Your choice.
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Re: Absolutely sick over this NYPD shooting/murder
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Posted by KellyFG
It is pitiful that law enforcement has to be afraid to do their jobs. Maybe some people don't remember what NYC was like during times of weak leadership. My family owned a large car wholesale business on Jerome Ave in the Bronx for 30 years. There was a time when 5 or 6 cars would get stolen everyday in broad daylight and when we called the police to make reports they would not get out of their patrol car under any circumstance. They were fearful, rightfully so because they were being killed regularly.
Yes, there are bad cops but the lesson that is being missed here is respect. It starts with self respect, then respect for authority. All people in our society need to be reminded that laws exist for ALL of us. I believe in enforcing the law to the fullest extent. Many of you know my story, I have an adult child that was convicted of a very serious( nonviolent) crime and I am proud to say he was punished to the fullest extent of the law.
He has been roughed up by law enforcement many times since being released from jail and my response is- don't be a criminal, don't act shady, drive a legal vehicle, etc and you won't get roughed up. Because of his record police will be concerned about him and I agree with them. Now after 5 years of a clean record and conducting himself like a quality citizen he is starting to deserve the same treatment as people who obey laws. This is my son! A double standard does not apply! Do not break the law! It's very simple!
You are a rare type of parent nowadays and I applaud you for your parenting skills and tough love!! Too many parents want to blame everyone else and side with their kids from even a young age. They start by gettting into trouble for being a punk at school and the parents blame the teachers... Then it continues years later as they are blaming the cops. It's a sad and scary world and yesterday's events prove just how scary it is getting.There should be more parents like you... Like there used to be years ago. Kids used to say "when I got in trouble at school if my parents found out, I would get double at home" . Now parents want to go up to the school and yell and blame the teachers and then blame the cops and it's always " not my kid". That's part of the problem. The entitlement and no one taking responsibility for their or their kids actions. Kudos to you!
Thank you, but I hardly deserve any praise. My son made very foolish choices that will haunt him and our family forever. I will always blame myself for his actions.
I will always thank the police officers that arrested him because they SAVED his life. They were not gentle with my son when he was arrested, he's 6'4", over 300lbs, I don't blame them, I'm sure he was mouthing off, maybe they thought he was armed, either way he's a very big person (much like Michael brown and Eric garner) to try to restrain.
Honestly, he needed a good ass kicking.
I have the utmost respect for law enforcement and I trust them to handle each situation and perpetrator to the best of their ability. I do not envy their position and things can go wrong without malicious intent.
I don't know how the families/ spokespeople of career criminals can just brush aside the fact that if they obeyed the law they would not have been any position of harm.
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PhyllisNJoe
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Re: Absolutely sick over this NYPD shooting/murder
Posted by McSullivan
Posted by LeeCR7
But to blame this targeting on the recent protests is wrong and completely misses the point. ... But blaming the protesters is not the way to do it. It's just not going to work. Just like the way that evil man took the easy and cowardly way out by targeting innocent officers, it's is unfair and ineffective to equate the protests with causing these murders.
I am really trying to see your point, but I have to respectfully disagree:
WHY ARE THEY ALLOWED TO DO THIS? Where is this mayor?
This cop killer may have acted alone. May have just been a psycho using the names of the other dead men as an excuse to go on a killing spree. MAYBE.
We don't know for sure. Especially when I am seeing an overwhelming amount of posts on all sorts of social media that people are GLAD he did it. They deserved it. All cops are racist. Etc Etc Etc. IT IS DISGUSTING
And allowing protesters to run the streets chanting that they want DEAD COPS is only going to incite the Crazy people out there to go ahead and do it.
How people are comparing the 2 different things as the same is mind boggling. If the 2 original officers posted on their FB or Instagrams that they were going to kill black people and then went out and did it... then yes, it's the same.
In no way shape of form is this the same.
Do you know who's going to suffer from this? The rest os us. The people who need law enforcement at times but wont get the response we deserve because officers have to be extra cautious now. That extra time spent on being concerned for their own lives (And rightfully so) will now take precious time away from those who need their help.
Protesters calling for the death of police should never happen. EVER.
The mayor should be ashamed of himself
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MrsA1012
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Re: Absolutely sick over this NYPD shooting/murder
Posted by sometimesmommy
Posted by gina409
I took it as the "killers" of Eric garner and Michael brown are alive and free
And the officers Killer is not and had he not taken his life h would have been prosecuted where as the other officers were not
So in essence it is comparing the two as if they are be same
And they are the complete opposite
Unless you think the officers in those cases went out that day with the intent to murder brown and garner
So to compRe the two in any sense to me is mind boggling
The fact that either side is considering one life to be worth more than the other is mind boggling.
. I will state ,without apology, that the lives of two ,hard working ,law abiding officers who have dedicated their lives to protecting civilians are worth more than the lives of criminal, thugs. Flame away.
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PhyllisNJoe
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Re: Absolutely sick over this NYPD shooting/murder
Posted by MrsA1012
Posted by sometimesmommy
Posted by gina409
I took it as the "killers" of Eric garner and Michael brown are alive and free
And the officers Killer is not and had he not taken his life h would have been prosecuted where as the other officers were not
So in essence it is comparing the two as if they are be same
And they are the complete opposite
Unless you think the officers in those cases went out that day with the intent to murder brown and garner
So to compRe the two in any sense to me is mind boggling
The fact that either side is considering one life to be worth more than the other is mind boggling.
. I will state ,without apology, that the lives of two ,hard working ,law abiding officers who have dedicated their lives to protecting civilians are worth more than the lives of criminal, thugs. Flame away.
I also, without apology, couldn't agree more.
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| Posted 12/21/14 1:56 PM |
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SlurpeeDad
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Re: Absolutely sick over this NYPD shooting/murder
Posted by LeeCR7
Posted by SlurpeeDad
If no one else will say it, I will. The lives of the two men that were murdered yesterday are worth more than the CRIMINALS that died.
Then we have a fundamental disagreement, because I don't think we, as fallible humans who cannot have access to all the millions of factors that make a person "good" or "bad," can make that call. And I feel like that simplistic type of characterization hurts us all. You have chosen one aspect of who these men were and used it to judge their worth. Would you like to be judged like that? I wouldn't.
It's enough of a tragedy that the officers were murdered yesterday. We can only try to use it to galvanize positive change, since the evil man who killed them is dead.
You are right, we have a disagreement. You don't think you can make that call, but I believe that a person trying to protect people from harm is worth far more than a person that is trying to cause harm to people. Disagree if you like, I don't give a shit.
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luvmotherhood
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Re: Absolutely sick over this NYPD shooting/murder
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by SlurpeeDad
Posted by sometimesmommy
Posted by gina409
I took it as the "killers" of Eric garner and Michael brown are alive and free
And the officers Killer is not and had he not taken his life h would have been prosecuted where as the other officers were not
So in essence it is comparing the two as if they are be same
And they are the complete opposite
Unless you think the officers in those cases went out that day with the intent to murder brown and garner
So to compRe the two in any sense to me is mind boggling
The fact that either side is considering one life to be worth more than the other is mind boggling.
If no one else will say it, I will. The lives of the two men that were murdered yesterday are worth more than the CRIMINALS that died.
Yep. Exactly. Sorry I felt no sympathy at all for those 2 perps. 2 less scumbags clogging up the jails and system. Oh well.
Don't break the law and you'll be fine. Break the law, make that choice, resist arrest, you take your chances. You want to live like a criminal, you may just die like one. Your choice.
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| Posted 12/21/14 2:00 PM |
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LeeCR7
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Re: Absolutely sick over this NYPD shooting/murder
Posted by SlurpeeDad
Posted by LeeCR7
Posted by SlurpeeDad
If no one else will say it, I will. The lives of the two men that were murdered yesterday are worth more than the CRIMINALS that died.
Then we have a fundamental disagreement, because I don't think we, as fallible humans who cannot have access to all the millions of factors that make a person "good" or "bad," can make that call. And I feel like that simplistic type of characterization hurts us all. You have chosen one aspect of who these men were and used it to judge their worth. Would you like to be judged like that? I wouldn't.
It's enough of a tragedy that the officers were murdered yesterday. We can only try to use it to galvanize positive change, since the evil man who killed them is dead.
You are right, we have a disagreement. You don't think you can make that call, but I believe that a person trying to protect people from harm is worth far more than a person that is trying to cause harm to people. Disagree if you like, I don't give a shit.
I never mind disagreement. Many things people post that disagree with me make me think more deeply, and, on occasion, even make me change my mind.
Not a post like this, of course. I will point out that, on the day he died, Eric Gardner was also protecting people; he stopped a fight, making sure neither party was hurt. But when you add information like that, it makes it much harder to judge, of course.
If you want those protesting to value all lives, including police, you've got to value their lives, too.
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gina409
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Re: Absolutely sick over this NYPD shooting/murder
Posted by LeeCR7
Posted by McSullivan
Posted by LeeCR7
Posted by McSullivan
Posted by LeeCR7
But to blame this targeting on the recent protests is wrong and completely misses the point. ... But blaming the protesters is not the way to do it. It's just not going to work. Just like the way that evil man took the easy and cowardly way out by targeting innocent officers, it's is unfair and ineffective to equate the protests with causing these murders.
I am really trying to see your point, but I have to respectfully disagree:
I'd be happy to discuss it further, but I'm afraid your video isn't working for me, so I'm not sure what to respond to. I'm sure it is my very old computer that is the problem. If you describe it I will try to give you my thoughts.
Understood. It's the video of protesters chanting for dead cops in the streets of New York City last weekend.
Thanks! I think I actually covered that mainly in a response right above you. It is indefensible and awful, but not justification for dismissing everything they are protesting against. Most protesters did not go to such depths, thankfully. If you want to extend some blame to those specific people, fine. I won't defend them. But it is not fair to extend that blame to all of the protesters.
@lee. Just curious for your response. And I so want to add that even though we have disagreed I appreciate all your responses and how respectful you have been
Regarding the officers killed yesterday,the officer in Tampa killed,the officer who got a gun pulled on him and thank god it jammed to the pics of the man today who said he is driving to ny to "kill two more pigs"
How can you not say the protests are responsible
Even if it's just a fraction of them. By allowing any of these protests to go as far as they have is making this a scary place to live
I know people have the right to protest but when some branch out from he peaceful protest and chant we want dead cops and then we have two dead cops something needs to be done
Also and I ask this without snark at all. I'm just curious
What change to the protesters want? Idk if excessive force was used bc I'm not a officer and don't know the limits to use when someone resists
But that's my point. Thy resisted. So isn't it fair to say if they had listened to the officer not only would they be alive but the officers yesterday would be too.
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