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Absolutely sick over this NYPD shooting/murder
If you choose to drive drunk, like so many people do, you may not get caught the first time, or even the second or third. However you have to know that eventually it may catch up to you and you may kill yourself or worse someone else. Did you deserve to die? No. But oh well you shouldn't have driven drunk! Do I feel bad for your family that now has to suffer bc you made the foolish decision to drive drunk. Yes.
And that's how I feel about the criminals that resist arrest. These cops have a split second to make a decision. Did they deserve to die? Of course not. But we can all agree resisting arrest in a very very small precent can have this outcome! And FYI as an avid tv watcher of the show cops over the years every single criminal cries they can't breathe. I know this guy was selling cigarettes which is such an annoying minor offense BUT he was in their radar for doing this for a while. He did not deserve to die, it was an accident. That cop didn't wake up and say I am going to strangle a black person today for a minor offense!
And also all lives are not equal. My dd's life is more important than any child molester that even thinks about looking at her in an inappropriate way. My life is more important than a rapist murderer who wants to rape and kill me. Casey Anthony's life isn't as important as her sweet daughter that she murdered. Stop breaking the law if you don't want to get into trouble!!!
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Absolutely sick over this NYPD shooting/murder
If Michael Brown hadn't robbed a store ,assaulted the shop owner ,disobeyed an officers orders then attacked said officer he would be alive. If Eric Garner hadn't resisted arrest he would be alive. It is common sense.
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If Michael Brown hadn't robbed a store ,assaulted the shop owner ,disobeyed an officers orders then attacked said officer he would be alive. If Eric Garner hadn't resisted arrest he would be alive. It is common sense.
This is what irks me..not you personally but people keep going to these two when there are countless others who truly were innocents that are better examples of true victimization. They are not the sole reason most people are upset just two of the most recent questionable death s but they are not all encompassing. The problem is bigger than that. And that's common sense.
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Re: Absolutely sick over this NYPD shooting/murder
Posted by gina409
@lee. Just curious for your response. And I so want to add that even though we have disagreed I appreciate all your responses and how respectful you have been
Regarding the officers killed yesterday,the officer in Tampa killed,the officer who got a gun pulled on him and thank god it jammed to the pics of the man today who said he is driving to ny to "kill two more pigs"
How can you not say the protests are responsible
Even if it's just a fraction of them. By allowing any of these protests to go as far as they have is making this a scary place to live
I know people have the right to protest but when some branch out from he peaceful protest and chant we want dead cops and then we have two dead cops something needs to be done
Also and I ask this without snark at all. I'm just curious
What change to the protesters want? Idk if excessive force was used bc I'm not a officer and don't know the limits to use when someone resists
But that's my point. Thy resisted. So isn't it fair to say if they had listened to the officer not only would they be alive but the officers yesterday would be too.
Clearly I'm in the minority here, so discussing the issues with people help me to understand it a bit better. I always respect other points of view.
People have the right to peaceful protest. Protesters who overstep that should be arrested, fined, whatever is appropriate. However, as in any group of people, there are going to be those who get out of hand. Those individuals should be dealt with, but the main protest, filled with peaceful protesters, does not deserve to be shut down. Again, it's the same thing people were complaining about with the perception of officers; not all officers are racist, and not all of the protesters are violent or bad. In fact, in both cases, the vast majority aren't.
I won't pretend to speak for all those in the movement, but I believe they want better training for police, better judicial processes for officers accused of misdeeds, and better relationships with officers. That is just my interpretation, which could be incomplete.
In terms of the two incidents, we simply don't know what happened in the Brown case. Witnesses on both sides were proven to lie/exaggerate, and the only surviving participant of the struggle had a huge motivation for telling the story he did. Note I am not saying he is lying; I am saying we don't know. So I don't know if Brown resisted arrest or if Wilson provoked this attack. A jury could have decided this if it went to trial.
I just don't think what Garner did was resisting arrest, at least not from what was shown on the video. He calmly asked them why and asked them to leave him alone. At no point did he get violent or try to leave. He was a big man, but there were 5-6(?) officers present. He questioned the police; he did not resist them, in my opinion. Now the grand jury transcripts have not been released, so I am just working with what I know. Speaking to my sister and others, there were so many other ways they could have handled that situation, including simply talking a bit more.
Not a single thing I wrote justifies the murder or the violent chanting, of course. But it does show why the protest are valid. And the best thing we can do now is listen to each other, rather than demonizing each other.
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Re: Absolutely sick over this NYPD shooting/murder
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I took it as the "killers" of Eric garner and Michael brown are alive and free
And the officers Killer is not and had he not taken his life h would have been prosecuted where as the other officers were not
So in essence it is comparing the two as if they are be same
And they are the complete opposite
Unless you think the officers in those cases went out that day with the intent to murder brown and garner
So to compRe the two in any sense to me is mind boggling
The fact that either side is considering one life to be worth more than the other is mind boggling.
If no one else will say it, I will. The lives of the two men that were murdered yesterday are worth more than the CRIMINALS that died.
I agree. I am not sorry to say that I find it appalling that anyone would even think that a CRIMINAL's life is more important than a selfless police officer risking his/her life EVERYDAY to save THOSE OF YOU FROM THESE CRIMINALS.
DISGUSTING.
PLEASE FEND FOR YOURSELF WHEN IN DANGER, DON'T CALL THE POLICE SINCE THEY ARE YOUR ENEMY. Go ahead, try that when you are in danger. Let's see how you do on your own. DISGUSTING.
You do all realize that police will cut back on petty crime response, or anything other than severe danger bc of this INSANITY that has been perpetuated by Mayor and even Obama. Good luck getting help with petty crimes now, the city will go to SHIT after this for sure.
yes. this. wake up people. this is a post i came across. food for thought.
-buck sexton:
THOUGHT EXPERIMENT AFTER TODAY'S MURDER OF COPS
Imagine for a moment that the protestors last week were chanting "What do we want? Dead____" and insert any ethnic, racial, or religious group you can think of.
Completely unacceptable, right? Evil. Beyond the pale. No question.
In fact, it would be illegal, as incitement to violence. But there's more-
Imagine the outrage that would ensue- rightly so- and the loud calls of condemnation. Whatever protest movement was behind such an incitement to violence would be shouted down and ostracized.
And then, for a moment, assume that two members of that targeted ethnic group or religious group (doesn't matter which one) were brutally murdered by a gunman who was acting in the name of that same protest movement that was calling for the violence.
Would anyone downplay the role of that movement in inciting the murders?
Would anyone make excuses, and talk about how this shouldn't take our attention away from that movement's legitimate grievances?
Would anyone say we should now focus on healing, and addressing the "awareness" that said movement was calling for in the first place?
Of course not. That would be insane.
So how can any rational, sentient person think that a movement that calls for "dead cops" should be treated with any more seriousness and deference than a movement that calls for the murder of any other specific group of our citizens?
Protestors who spew hatred about "racist police" and "killer cops" do not deserve our attention or respect. And anyone who marches alongside them or speaks from a place of solidarity with them should be looked upon with disdain.
These anti-cop protestors should all be treated with the disgust we would expect for public calls to murder any other group of our fellow human beings.
Police officers are people too. They are parents, siblings, loved ones and friends. I have worked alongside them, and entrusted my life to them. That they are cops does not negate their humanity in any way, and only a vile and despicable coward would suggest it does.
Cops stand guard, day and night, to protect us.
Now it's time we stand up for them.
?#?copslivesmatter?
Everything you say here is right. But, again, these people do not represent the movement of people who are asking for better police training and fair consequences for officers who may have stepped over the line. Most of these people are not anti-cop; they are anti-bad cop.
It would be like saying that all pro-life people should be judged by the very few who set off bombs in abortion clinics or even those who harrass women going to the clinics. And that is just not fair. It is a small minority.
People keep wanting to make it simple. It's not, and the sooner we acknowledge that, the sooner we can start to fix it.
THIS. THIS. THIS. Anti-bad cop. Not all cops. Reform. All words that describe how alot of people feel. I took up arms voluntarily for this country like a cop. And it's my right to want reform. And just because I say that I value lives..cop, accidental death that could have been prevented (punishment didn't fit the crime deaths or in some cases truly innocent just wrong color deaths) all of a sudden people who can feel the pain for both sides not just one have to all of a sudden have to fend for themselves. Or automatically hate all cops etc...that's not the case at all for most people. Extremists on both sides are a major part of the problem. Some of us can mourn for cops and civilian lives taken too soon..
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I took it as the "killers" of Eric garner and Michael brown are alive and free
And the officers Killer is not and had he not taken his life h would have been prosecuted where as the other officers were not
So in essence it is comparing the two as if they are be same
And they are the complete opposite
Unless you think the officers in those cases went out that day with the intent to murder brown and garner
So to compRe the two in any sense to me is mind boggling
The fact that either side is considering one life to be worth more than the other is mind boggling.
If no one else will say it, I will. The lives of the two men that were murdered yesterday are worth more than the CRIMINALS that died.
Yep. Exactly. Sorry I felt no sympathy at all for those 2 perps. 2 less scumbags clogging up the jails and system. Oh well.
Don't break the law and you'll be fine. Break the law, make that choice, resist arrest, you take your chances. You want to live like a criminal, you may just die like one. Your choice.
I agree 100%
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Absolutely sick over this NYPD shooting/murder
Have you read the forensic evidence in the michael brown case ? Someone can provide a link ,but it backed up the officers account of things.
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There has most certainly been credible evidence the last 3 weeks of black gangs ordered to kill on duty and off duty cops. Cops (my family is NYPD, so it's not hearsay), have been ordered to their desks, do not serve warrants, do nothing unless an arrest is guaranteed, to protect themselves. There is a bounty on cops heads, where have you been?!
This POS mayor has incited this, instigated this brazen behavior. Allowed it. Encouraged it. He is no leader. He is a poor, pathetic excuse for a leader of any city, let alone NY.
All people in our society need to be reminded that laws exist for ALL of us. I believe in enforcing the law to the fullest extent. Many of you know my story, I have an adult child that was convicted of a very serious( nonviolent) crime and I am proud to say he was punished to the fullest extent of the law.
He has been roughed up by law enforcement many times since being released from jail and my response is- don't be a criminal, don't act shady, drive a legal vehicle, etc and you won't get roughed up. Because of his record police will be concerned about him and I agree with them. Now after 5 years of a clean record and conducting himself like a quality citizen he is starting to deserve the same treatment as people who obey laws. This is my son! A double standard does not apply! Do not break the law! It's very simple!
Wow! I give you a lot of credit for NOT defending your son when he committed a crime. Too many parents will talk their way out of their children's poor behavior--"But, he did this because..." or "Not my child!" or, the best: "She doesn't act like this at home." I see this all the time as a teacher, and I am so sick of it. Enough with the excuses! What he did was WRONG! It starts from an early age. At this point, I have your child for one year--you have him for the rest of your life. Have fun when he/she is 13, 14, 15. Good luck.
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Re: Absolutely sick over this NYPD shooting/murder
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If Michael Brown hadn't robbed a store ,assaulted the shop owner ,disobeyed an officers orders then attacked said officer he would be alive. If Eric Garner hadn't resisted arrest he would be alive. It is common sense.
This is what irks me..not you personally but people keep going to these two when there are countless others who truly were innocents that are better examples of true victimization. They are not the sole reason most people are upset just two of the most recent questionable death s but they are not all encompassing. The problem is bigger than that. And that's common sense.[/QUOTE. Okay. but Brown and Garner are the poster boys of this protest movement. If the anti-cop group wants to put the spot light on them, then I will judge them accordingly. If they want to reference other deaths then I will be happy to review the circumstances of those deaths and come to my own conclusions.
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Re: Absolutely sick over this NYPD shooting/murder
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If Michael Brown hadn't robbed a store ,assaulted the shop owner ,disobeyed an officers orders then attacked said officer he would be alive. If Eric Garner hadn't resisted arrest he would be alive. It is common sense.
This is what irks me..not you personally but people keep going to these two when there are countless others who truly were innocents that are better examples of true victimization. They are not the sole reason most people are upset just two of the most recent questionable death s but they are not all encompassing. The problem is bigger than that. And that's common sense.[/QUOTE. Okay. but Brown and Garner are the poster boys of this protest movement. If the anti-cop group wants to put the spot light on them, then I will judge them accordingly. If they want to reference other deaths then I will be happy to review the circumstances of those deaths and come to my own conclusions.
That's the media..not responsible for that and it's sad because there are others that have pictures and names of truly innocent victims that would negate alot of people's arguments but that doesn't make news or sell papers. I've been anti bad cop way before Garner and Brown. My view came from my own husband experience, family members etc who are law abiding. My own husband carries a weapon and has been rudely stopped many times, had ID thrown on the ground to pick up, false infractions, spit at, roughed up before they confirm hes authorized to carry his weapon etc but I don't hate all cops nor teach my daughters to but I do tell them that they must respect authority. If I had a son, he'd be taught respect but fear is another word he'd know as well and one of them will hopefully save his life as with either he shouldn't challenge.. that's reality.
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I still for the life of me still cannot understand how these few incidents are what gets people up in arms. What about all of the black on black crime that happens in some of these areas on the daily? Why does Sharpton, etc. not speak out about this. Why is a black person killed by a white person (or cop) more valued than a black life taken by the hands of another black person??? It is an outrage. Of course there are some "bad cops" (NOT saying the police officers in these 2 cases are) but it is a tiny fraction of the killings that go on in these communities! These young men and women need to rise up and become empowered to do good! If you haven't heard about Jonathan Gentry, I highly recommend you look him up. He nails it.
http://johnathangentry.com/
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I am sick to my stomach over this. This is probably just the beginning. I have many family members in law enforcement and I pray each night that they return home from duty safely. 
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I still for the life of me still cannot understand how these few incidents are what gets people up in arms. What about all of the black on black crime that happens in some of these areas on the daily? Why does Sharpton, etc. not speak out about this. Why is a black person killed by a white person (or cop) more valued than a black life taken by the hands of another black person??? It is an outrage. Of course there are some "bad cops" (NOT saying the police officers in these 2 cases are) but it is a tiny fraction of the killings that go on in these communities! These young men and women need to rise up and become empowered to do good! If you haven't heard about Jonathan Gentry, I highly recommend you look him up. He nails it.
http://johnathangentry.com/
My issue with this is that people keep saying this as an argument when one problem is different from another and to say that nothing is mentioned is incorrect..it comes down to where you receive your information and what the media covers but I'm done. This topic is sucking the life out of me and to make sure my kids have a great xmas I'm going to turn to their innocence for a while and just let it envelope and cloak me.
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Re: Absolutely sick over this NYPD shooting/murder
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I still for the life of me still cannot understand how these few incidents are what gets people up in arms. What about all of the black on black crime that happens in some of these areas on the daily? Why does Sharpton, etc. not speak out about this. Why is a black person killed by a white person (or cop) more valued than a black life taken by the hands of another black person??? It is an outrage. Of course there are some "bad cops" (NOT saying the police officers in these 2 cases are) but it is a tiny fraction of the killings that go on in these communities! These young men and women need to rise up and become empowered to do good! If you haven't heard about Jonathan Gentry, I highly recommend you look him up. He nails it.
http://johnathangentry.com/
My issue with this is that people keep saying this as an argument when one problem is different from another and to say that nothing is mentioned is incorrect..it comes down to where you receive your information and what the media covers but I'm done. This topic is sucking the life out of me and to make sure my kids have a great xmas I'm going to turn to their innocence for a while and just let it envelope and cloak me.
I do not believe that one problem is that different from the other. The main idea is the same -young black people in some communities are dying senselessly at the hands of others. I do agree about the media, which I guess is what I also have a MAJOR issue with. I also agree that it's a very good idea to focus on our innocent, young children. I am so saddened by so much of what is going on that I agree, I need to focus on them and the good I see because yes, this stuff can drain you.
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Re: Absolutely sick over this NYPD shooting/murder
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I still for the life of me still cannot understand how these few incidents are what gets people up in arms. What about all of the black on black crime that happens in some of these areas on the daily? Why does Sharpton, etc. not speak out about this. Why is a black person killed by a white person (or cop) more valued than a black life taken by the hands of another black person??? It is an outrage. Of course there are some "bad cops" (NOT saying the police officers in these 2 cases are) but it is a tiny fraction of the killings that go on in these communities! These young men and women need to rise up and become empowered to do good! If you haven't heard about Jonathan Gentry, I highly recommend you look him up. He nails it.
http://johnathangentry.com/
My issue with this is that people keep saying this as an argument when one problem is different from another and to say that nothing is mentioned is incorrect..it comes down to where you receive your information and what the media covers but I'm done. This topic is sucking the life out of me and to make sure my kids have a great xmas I'm going to turn to their innocence for a while and just let it envelope and cloak me.
Its not a different problem it is the major ,overwhelming problem in these dangerous neighborhoods along with broken families, gangs, cycle of violence, decaying infrastructure, failing schools, lack of education etc. it is a fact that the media attention is disproportionately focused on incidents that involve a black man killed by a police officer.
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For me, it isn't about anyone's life being more valuable than someone else's. It is about the fact that the two cops killed yesterday did NOTHING wrong. They simply got up yesterday morning and went to work. Now, do I think Brown & Garner deserved to die? Of course not. They weren't murderers or child rapists. Do I think their lives were worth less than the cops killed? Well, that is not for me to decide. But the fact is they were breaking the law...maybe not committing felonies, but the law is the law. When I was in my early 20's, I was arrested for narcotics possession. The coke was not mine...it belonged to the person driving the vehicle. But I was arrested anyway...I knew I was innocent but I willingly let them put handcuffs on me and take me off to the precinct. Why? Because they are above me when it comes to the law, plain and simple. I did what they said and sorted everything out later. Whether you killed someone or stole a pack of gum from CVS...you listen to authority, and if you don't, you risk getting hurt or worse. I feel terribly for the families of Garner & Brown, as well as the families of the cops. Too much suffering all around. Not one of those people deserved to die...but sadly, the actions of the first two caused their demise, whereas the second two did nothing to cause their deaths. I fear for the city I love...and for the world my four children are going to inherit. So much hatred...from blacks, from whites, from young and old, it doesn't matter. This world is filled with evil and hate and I fear it will one day self destruct. My poor babies.
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For me, it isn't about anyone's life being more valuable than someone else's. It is about the fact that the two cops killed yesterday did NOTHING wrong. They simply got up yesterday morning and went to work. Now, do I think Brown & Garner deserved to die? Of course not. They weren't murderers or child rapists. Do I think their lives were worth less than the cops killed? Well, that is not for me to decide. But the fact is they were breaking the law...maybe not committing felonies, but the law is the law. When I was in my early 20's, I was arrested for narcotics possession. The coke was not mine...it belonged to the person driving the vehicle. But I was arrested anyway...I knew I was innocent but I willingly let them put handcuffs on me and take me off to the precinct. Why? Because they are above me when it comes to the law, plain and simple. I did what they said and sorted everything out later. Whether you killed someone or stole a pack of gum from CVS...you listen to authority, and if you don't, you risk getting hurt or worse. I feel terribly for the families of Garner & Brown, as well as the families of the cops. Too much suffering all around. Not one of those people deserved to die...but sadly, the actions of the first two caused their demise, whereas the second two did nothing to cause their deaths. I fear for the city I love...and for the world my four children are going to inherit. So much hatred...from blacks, from whites, from young and old, it doesn't matter. This world is filled with evil and hate and I fear it will one day self destruct. My poor babies.
Well if Brown threatened Wilson, or lunged at him, tried to take his gun, then YES, he brought on his own death. And many reports say that he DID those things which was why Wilson was not indicted.
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I do not believe that one problem is that different from the other. The main idea is the same -young black people in some communities are dying senselessly at the hands of others. .
Right. Not sure if she was white or black but the man who killed the police had just murdered his GF. A thug, a criminal, and the very type of person the police are trying to protect others from. Same goes for Brown. He stole, he threatened, he harassed in that very video that happened before his death. HE IS AND WAS A CRIMINAL and he LED to his OWN demise.
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Re: Absolutely sick over this NYPD shooting/murder
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For me, it isn't about anyone's life being more valuable than someone else's. It is about the fact that the two cops killed yesterday did NOTHING wrong. They simply got up yesterday morning and went to work. Now, do I think Brown & Garner deserved to die? Of course not. They weren't murderers or child rapists. Do I think their lives were worth less than the cops killed? Well, that is not for me to decide. But the fact is they were breaking the law...maybe not committing felonies, but the law is the law. When I was in my early 20's, I was arrested for narcotics possession. The coke was not mine...it belonged to the person driving the vehicle. But I was arrested anyway...I knew I was innocent but I willingly let them put handcuffs on me and take me off to the precinct. Why? Because they are above me when it comes to the law, plain and simple. I did what they said and sorted everything out later. Whether you killed someone or stole a pack of gum from CVS...you listen to authority, and if you don't, you risk getting hurt or worse. I feel terribly for the families of Garner & Brown, as well as the families of the cops. Too much suffering all around. Not one of those people deserved to die...but sadly, the actions of the first two caused their demise, whereas the second two did nothing to cause their deaths. I fear for the city I love...and for the world my four children are going to inherit. So much hatred...from blacks, from whites, from young and old, it doesn't matter. This world is filled with evil and hate and I fear it will one day self destruct. My poor babies.
Well if Brown threatened Wilson, or lunged at him, tried to take his gun, then YES, he brought on his own death. And many reports say that he DID those things which was why Wilson was not indicted.
I agree with you. I said that the actions of the first two, meaning Garner & Brown, led to their demise. ****** situation all around.
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Rudy Guiliani speaks…THIS WOULD HAVE NEVER HAPPENED IF I WAS MAYOR (and I agree, I am sure it would not have).
Rudy hits it SPOT on.
http://www.bizpacreview.com/2014/12/21/giuliani-rips-de-blasio-this-would-never-ever-have-happened-while-i-was-mayor-of-nyc-167224
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Re: Absolutely sick over this NYPD shooting/murder
No one deserves to die, but there is a HUGE difference if it is a situation you put yourself in rather than when you are just doing your job, minding your own business, having NOTHING to do with the previous events and are killed execution style.
To me, there is a CLEAR definitive line. The problem is the disdain that has been growing over the last few weeks has gone on unchecked.
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| Posted 12/21/14 9:43 PM |
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MrsA1012
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. Love this ! He's honest. Btw, the Nypd is now changing its protocol. Basically ,two units will now respond to every call splitting the power of the police force in half. Very scary situation.
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| Posted 12/21/14 10:16 PM |
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ChristinaM128
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Re: Absolutely sick over this NYPD shooting/murder
Posted by MandJZ
The murder of these police officers is despicable. It is horrendous, and absolutely senseless. My deepest prayers and condolences go out to their loved ones and families.
However. These men were killed by ONE deranged person, who then, as I am reading, killed himself. This wasn't a battle cry by a group of people who set out to kill police officers. So cries of "they are animals", and talk of a "war on whites" are also troubling. This was not that. This was the action of one person. To call that one man an animal, I understand. But this wasn't a group of people, and to lump a group of people in with the perpetrator of this crime is unfair. The slain officers deserve all the respect in the world for the job they did, and sadly died doing. But I'm really disturbed and saddened by much of the response im seeing, as well.
THANK YOU
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| Posted 12/21/14 11:32 PM |
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justbeachy
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Curious..
As we become angrier and more divided, it got me thinking about the future....
For those who support the protests- what is your desired outcome/goal? I hear buzz words like 'reform' and 'consequences' but I'd love to understand what that looks like in reality.
We pride ourselves - as a country - on having due process. We created a system where we have a jury decide the outcome - not a single, potentially partial judge. So in these scenarios, when an indictment isn't handed down because a jury of peers didn't find enough evidence to move ahead, what are protesters suggesting should be done to avoid similar fates down the road? How would evidence be assessed? Cases be judged? Am I missing the mark here?
What more can be done to weed out bad apples of the police department? What reforms need to happen? Sensitivity training? I can't envision what protesters are looking for in terms of 'training officers.'
Change, in abstraction is great. As a concept, it's sexy. It's rose colored and exciting. It got our President elected. It's easy to yell loudly and march across a city and decry the injustices.
But then what?
Message edited 12/22/2014 12:04:30 AM.
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| Posted 12/21/14 11:41 PM |
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Re: Absolutely sick over this NYPD shooting/murder
Posted by justbeachy
Curious..
As we become angrier and more divided, it got me thinking about the future....
For those who support the protests- what is your desired outcome/goal? I hear buzz words like 'reform' and 'consequences' but I'd love to understand what that looks like in reality.
We pride ourselves - as a country - on having due process. We created a system where we have a jury decide the outcome - not a single, potentially partial judge. So in these scenarios, when an indictment isn't handed down because a jury of peers didn't find enough evidence to move ahead, what are protesters suggesting should be done to avoid similar fates down the road? How would evidence be assessed? Cases be judged? Am I missing the mark here?
What more can be done to weed out bad apples of the police department? What reforms need to happen? Sensitivity training? I can't envision what protesters are looking for in terms of 'training officers.'
Change, in abstraction is great. As a concept, it's sexy. It's rose colored and exciting. It got our President elected. It's easy to yell loudly and march across a city and decry the injustices.
But then what?
I dont have the answers but clearly see the system is broken. What we need is open, transparent dialogue and a system where when incidents happen that a truly neutral agency spearheads an investigation. Also having cops of a different race patrolling in a community needs to change-there needs to be diversity because based on what I am hearing, many feel that having predominantly caucasian cops in a black neighborhood is challenging, not just for the officer but the very people that need protecting so that needs to change. I really have to sit and give it thought but as I said open dialogue with the people capable of instituting change-the first task is to identify who would make up said group.
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