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babyfaith
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Selective Reduction Article
Selective Reduction Article from NY Times
Since this topic came up recently, I thought I would share.
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cateyemm
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wow i cant believe they just published this! going to read now, thanks for posting.
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| Posted 8/11/11 9:09 PM |
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InShock
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This article makes me sick.
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| Posted 8/11/11 9:36 PM |
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PennyCat
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I found this VERY interesting.
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| Posted 8/11/11 9:38 PM |
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cateyemm
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Posted by PennyCat
I found this VERY interesting.
fascinating. i dont know if you read the washington post article, which focuses on high order multiples but that also was very interesting
wash post
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| Posted 8/11/11 9:57 PM |
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It is like the cruelty of infertility doesn't ever end for some people. I prayed all the time to never have to be in the position to have to make a decision like this after fighting so hard to have a baby. My heart really goes out to anyone that finds themselves here.
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| Posted 8/11/11 10:32 PM |
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smp123
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Posted by InShock
This article makes me sick.
I agree. I'm in tears reading this. I had twins trough ivf. My doc wanted to implant three embryos but I said no, just two, bc I didn't want to risk triplets.
I was 5'4, 115 lbs and was on bedrest from 22 weeks on. The boys were delivered at 37 weeks. Was it difficult? Yes. I was in and out of the ER constantly. Is taking care of them the hardest thing I have ever done? Yes. But I would never have implanted two if I knew I couldn't handle twins.
This article breaks my heart.
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| Posted 8/12/11 4:18 AM |
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ShhhTTCin11
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Everyone's situation is different.... But I know that I couldn't do selective reduction, especially with just twins. I wouldn't put back more than one, if I knew I couldn't handle two. And the justification that this is already such an artificial process is borderline offensive. How is using science to circumvent a medical issue artificial? This irks me, because where does the line get drawn with comments like that? C-sections, lap band surgeries, cancer treatments... These are all things we do to circumvent the "natural order" but no one would make a stupid comment about any of those because the fact is that people are still just uneducated when it comes to fertility issues- including the woman in this article who was interviewed. Sorry for going off a tangent a bit.
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| Posted 8/12/11 7:21 AM |
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cateyemm
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Posted by ShhhTTCin11
Everyone's situation is different.... But I know that I couldn't do selective reduction, especially with just twins. I wouldn't put back more than one, if I knew I couldn't handle two. And the justification that this is already such an artificial process is borderline offensive. How is using science to circumvent a medical issue artificial? This irks me, because where does the line get drawn with comments like that? C-sections, lap band surgeries, cancer treatments... These are all things we do to circumvent the "natural order" but no one would make a stupid comment about any of those because the fact is that people are still just uneducated when it comes to fertility issues- including the woman in this article who was interviewed. Sorry for going off a tangent a bit.
I agree about the rediculousness of that excuse. I guess they need to justify it somehow. The health insurance industry should take a huge part in the blame. IVF is safer than IUIs in controlling fertilization. Yet ins cos make you try with iuis even tho they know it's way more risky for multiples.
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| Posted 8/12/11 8:38 AM |
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This is insane! I know a twins pregnancy is high risk, but I always thought selective reduction was for like 4 plus. 
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| Posted 8/12/11 9:04 AM |
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MrsG72907
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I know what I *think* I would do in a situation like that and that is my personal choice. Everyone is entitled to make the choice that is best for them. However, I was more disturbed by the rational/thinking presented by some of the individuals. Interesting...
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| Posted 8/12/11 9:22 AM |
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cateyemm
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Posted by bringonthebaby
This is insane! I know a twins pregnancy is high risk, but I always thought selective reduction was for like 4 plus.
Some of the doctors thinking is if a woman has a right to an abortion, they should have a right to reduce twins. At least in that way, theyre saving a life. Very difficult decision...
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| Posted 8/12/11 9:29 AM |
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Thank you for posting - very interesting and a lot to think about. I have to admit, the term "selective reduction" was not one I was aware of before contemplating moving onto IVF. The nurse brought it up and explained it to me and DH. I did not know this was something that was done. Personally, when moving onto IVF, we had to make many decisions (ICSI, assisted hatching, selective reduction a possibility, etc.). It was a lot to research and understand. We signed to not do selective reduction.
But, I see it's place in pregnancies of 3+ and contemplated the number of embryos we transferred caferully realizing there is always a chance that they split. We ended up transferring 1, although if DH had agreed I would have transferred 2.
I can understand why women and men with no fertility issues have not thoroughly thought through this. Like I said, I didn't even know if was possible before battling infertility. So, I'm not surprised that their responses are quick and judegemental. They've never had the pain of making these decisions we've all had to make. And, I hope they never do.
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| Posted 8/12/11 9:34 AM |
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bookworm
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Oh, I just read that yesterday--so interesting! It's hard for me to imagine reducing twins...but when I heard about the lesbian couple who had a child and then EACH got pregnant with twins through IVF I was like 
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| Posted 8/12/11 11:09 AM |
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cateyemm
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Posted by bookworm
Oh, I just read that yesterday--so interesting! It's hard for me to imagine reducing twins...but when I heard about the lesbian couple who had a child and then EACH got pregnant with twins through IVF I was like
that was a crazy story!! i cant wrap my head around doing a couple doing simultaneous IVF! course i dont know enough about it, but i'd never heard of that before!
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| Posted 8/12/11 11:18 AM |
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Posted by cateyemm
Posted by bookworm
Oh, I just read that yesterday--so interesting! It's hard for me to imagine reducing twins...but when I heard about the lesbian couple who had a child and then EACH got pregnant with twins through IVF I was like
that was a crazy story!! i cant wrap my head around doing a couple doing simultaneous IVF! course i dont know enough about it, but i'd never heard of that before!
I agree - with the possibility of both being pregnant, why wouldn't they space it at least one cycle? Then, knowing one was pregnant with twins, they could hold off. If that woman were to m/c, then the other could do IVF.
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| Posted 8/12/11 12:39 PM |
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MrsPorkChop
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i dont understand why people would reduce a healthy fetus when the mom's health/safety was not at stake
so many people would have loved to adopt that baby
makes me sick
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lululu
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Personally, I am pro-choice, however something about this makes me sick. Especially the way the procedure is done. It just seems inhumane. I really don't know how you could live with yourself reducing a twin pregnancy, no matter what your current situation. If you didn't want twins, you should have only transferred one embryo.
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curiousO
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this article made me very sad, i can not even put this in words. I do not want to be judgemental, but i feel that it is wrong. just my opinion though.
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| Posted 8/12/11 5:17 PM |
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smp123
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Posted by lululu
Personally, I am pro-choice, however something about this makes me sick. Especially the way the procedure is done. It just seems inhumane. I really don't know how you could live with yourself reducing a twin pregnancy, no matter what your current situation. If you didn't want twins, you should have only transferred one embryo.
Agreed
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PennyCat
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Posted by ShhhTTCin11
Everyone's situation is different.... But I know that I couldn't do selective reduction, especially with just twins. I wouldn't put back more than one, if I knew I couldn't handle two. And the justification that this is already such an artificial process is borderline offensive. How is using science to circumvent a medical issue artificial? This irks me, because where does the line get drawn with comments like that? C-sections, lap band surgeries, cancer treatments... These are all things we do to circumvent the "natural order" but no one would make a stupid comment about any of those because the fact is that people are still just uneducated when it comes to fertility issues- including the woman in this article who was interviewed. Sorry for going off a tangent a bit.
I agree with this entirely about it being so wrong that they used the fact that it's already "artificial" to justify what they did.
Once the babies are conceived and transferred, it doesn't matter what it took for them to get there. JMO.
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Posted by lululu
Personally, I am pro-choice, however something about this makes me sick. Especially the way the procedure is done. It just seems inhumane. I really don't know how you could live with yourself reducing a twin pregnancy, no matter what your current situation. If you didn't want twins, you should have only transferred one embryo.
I agree with this 100%.
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| Posted 8/12/11 7:33 PM |
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SecretTTCer
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Personally, I don't see anything wrong in reducing to a singleton. I think people underestimate the risks involved in a twin pregnancy. If one doesn't want to accept those risks to maternal and fetal health, then I see no problem in them reducing.
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| Posted 8/13/11 10:08 AM |
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alli3131
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Posted by MrsPorkChop
i dont understand why people would reduce a healthy fetus when the mom's health/safety was not at stake
Because it is their constitutional right, While you might not agree it is still their right.
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| Posted 8/13/11 10:36 AM |
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ShhhTTCin11
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Posted by MrsPorkChop
i dont understand why people would reduce a healthy fetus when the mom's health/safety was not at stake
Because it is their constitutional right, While you might not agree it is still their right.
Just because people are allowed to do it doesn't mean that others will understand it. I ethically don't agree- but acknowledge that it is a woman's choice, similar to a woman's choice to have an abortion.
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