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Re: I heard there is going to be protestors today

Posted by vegalady

How come our PRESIDENT doesnt get involved in these issues? Or maybe even Mayor Bloomberg? Or any of the other politicians out there why cant they get involved? You really expect him to be involved in every issue out there? Do you really understand how many minority issues there are in every state, city or community. And you expect one person to answer them all?



AGAIN, this is NOT about the PRESIDENT or MAYOR BLOOMBERG, we're talking about Al Sharpton.

No one is expecting Al Sharpton to be involved with EVERY minority issue in every state, city or community.

We're asking why doesn't he try tackling the lesser KNOWN issues in HIS community HERE in NY.

No one expects him to answer for EVERYTHING.

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Re: I heard there is going to be protestors today

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Why is everyone staring so closely at his lies instead of some of the good things that he does? Well I hope what he is doing will bring about some positive change.




So please do tell, what good things has he done? Chat Icon



Just by speaking out for his people is something GOOD. What does he have to give 1 billion dollars to a charity to be considered GOOD?




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i'm sorry but you keeping skirting AROUND the question so much, its a little bit unreal. how is "speaking out for his people" if it leads to more social unrest and huger distance between the black community and the police and non-blacks??

IMO Sharpton is just as much a racist as the people who he points fingers at.

Posted 5/7/08 4:01 PM
 

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Re: I heard there is going to be protestors today

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curious - do you see any connection between "police brutality" becoming more prevalent in minority communities and the fact that violence in general tends to be more prevalent in these communities?

it's kind of like statistics - if there are more instances of violence and crimes being committed than there are going to be more police activity, arrests,

disputes, fights, etc.



Whether violence in minority communities is more prevalent or not "police brutality" is WRONG. There have been cases of police brutality outside of minority neighborhoods against minorities . So where is the excuse in that?



With all due respect, you didn't answer the question posed.

You were asked if you see a connection between "police brutality" becoming more prevalent in minority communities and the fact that violence in general tends to be more prevalent in these communities?

I think we can all agree that police brutality is wrong wherever it happens.



Thank you. Yes, I agree too.




Yes I do think that violence is more prevalent in these communties. But is your question implying that it is right for "police brutality" to take place b/c there is more violence in minority communities? I think i can answer this question for you by stating that is exactly what you are thinking b/c otherwise you have not asked the previous question.



No, I was not implying anything - I was simply asking the question exactly how it was written. If I felt a certain way I would come right out and say it.

Just like I stated how I feel Al Sharpton is an irresponsible individual who does NOT bring about positive change.

Posted 5/7/08 4:01 PM
 

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Re: I heard there is going to be protestors today

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First of all I think that is a very disrespectful of you to imply. He is a leader within the black community and there is nothing wrong with him wanting to promote change in our society. Why is it that you think he is not contributing to society? Is it just because he doesnt have a "real" job. There are plenty of people out here that dont do a 9-5pm and rather work toward helping people or promoting change. So is that not a "real" job? Please help me to understand because your comment doesnt make much sense.



see, the problem i have with him is that if he is a "leader" and wanting to bring about good things in a society then when he ridiculed, for example, the young men at duke university (BEFORE their trial took place) and stated that they had done what they were later acquitted of when the accuser stated what she had accused them of never actually happened - at that point, he should have come out and apologized for basically hanging these men before anything even went to trial - just on believing the accuser's story and not knowing the facts. that was unfair to those men and drastically changed their lives - and NOT for the good. he should have, as a "leader" who is responsible for his actions came out and basically said "you know what? i was wrong - i am sorry" and he NEVER did.




So what people say the wrong things all the time we are all human beings. I am sure he was sorry for pointing a finger so quickly. The President of this country ALWAYS says the wrong things and never takes responsibility for ANY of his actions. My point is is that he is a leader in the black community and there needs to be someone to help and motivate minorities to stand up for their rights as a human being in this society.



ok you are straying from the topic - it is not about our president and it is not about someone just making a mistake that was an "ooops" and no big deal. he practically RUINED those young men's lives - how long do you think they are going to walk around with people thinking they DID what they did NOT do? they have their whole lives ahead of them and what al sharpton did was careless and reckless and that is not responsible as a leader.

all i am saying is that if he wants to be taken so seriously then he needs to hold himself personally responsible for what he says that was, in this case, NOT true that directly effected other people's lives.



Al Sharpton did not almost ruin the lives of the Duke Lacrosse players. That was the Durham district attorney Mike Nifong. I followed that case pretty closely. I don't even remember Al Sharpton getting involved to the point where he was ruining people's lives.

On that note...I live close to Atlantic aVE. (one of the protest sites) and I hear the helicopters swirling about overhead.

Posted 5/7/08 4:01 PM
 

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Re: I heard there is going to be protestors today

Posted by Theresa05

Posted by vegalady

Posted by Goobster

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Posted by vegalady


First of all I think that is a very disrespectful of you to imply. He is a leader within the black community and there is nothing wrong with him wanting to promote change in our society. Why is it that you think he is not contributing to society? Is it just because he doesnt have a "real" job. There are plenty of people out here that dont do a 9-5pm and rather work toward helping people or promoting change. So is that not a "real" job? Please help me to understand because your comment doesnt make much sense.



see, the problem i have with him is that if he is a "leader" and wanting to bring about good things in a society then when he ridiculed, for example, the young men at duke university (BEFORE their trial took place) and stated that they had done what they were later acquitted of when the accuser stated what she had accused them of never actually happened - at that point, he should have come out and apologized for basically hanging these men before anything even went to trial - just on believing the accuser's story and not knowing the facts. that was unfair to those men and drastically changed their lives - and NOT for the good. he should have, as a "leader" who is responsible for his actions came out and basically said "you know what? i was wrong - i am sorry" and he NEVER did.



And don't forget Tawana Brawley's lies that he never acknowledged.




I am not understanding why everyone is all over Al Sharpton he is not the one that got shot at. He is just speaking out for his people. Why is everyone staring so closely at his lies instead of some of the good things that he does? Well I hope what he is doing will bring about some positive change.



Really do you think he does "good"
Are his actions always on the "good" note.. Why does he need to speak out for his people.. the COURTS and a jury made a decision and that is that.. why can't it be over with..

ahh I dont care what he does, I just want to get home to my Sofia Ava., Chat Icon



I hope that something good can come of all this too, but I dont fully understand what he is protesting for.What is he hoping to get from this? Is this a protest just to help people become aware of what happened? Or is this for something else?

My issue with Al is that it always seems to be a race thing, or an anti police thing. Why cant he protest when innocent children are shot during drive bys and the shooter isnt found? Crimes against minorities are sometimes done by other minorities, I personally have not heard of him standing up for that, and trying to put an end to that.

Theresa I hope you can get home to Sofia Ava quickly and safely

Posted 5/7/08 4:01 PM
 

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Re: I heard there is going to be protestors today

does anyone know if it started?

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Re: I heard there is going to be protestors today

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i don't think anyone is saying its okay to have police brutality issues in communities with high violence/minorities.....i think what the question was posing....if there is highly violent crimes/felonies happening in a community....it means the people are more dangerous and therefore the level of danger that the cops face is higher. therefore accusations of police brutality will come out as the police feel they need to use more force for their protection.....and yes it happens that sometimes the force is excessive, but i don't believe anyone was saying its "okay"



exactly - that is exactly what I meant and the question reads so.

Posted 5/7/08 4:02 PM
 

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Re: I heard there is going to be protestors today

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Posted by MrsPJB2007


why do you keep bringing up OTHER people when we are asking what has AL SHARPTON done to help with these issues?? No one is talking about the President (whom i also can't stand) -- you say that he is a "respectful leader in the black community"...so PLEASE enlighten us on all the amazing things that YOU know of that he has done to help the community. because all i have seen him do is create a larger GAP between the black community and the police as well as point fingers of racism.




ITA... all I ever see him doing is turning everything into a race issue if a black person is invovled. What good does he do?




Before you all start bashing Al Sharpton maybe you should go and try and research some of the positive things he has one. I dont have to sit here and give a list of good things this man has done. For me personally he speaks up for the black community and in my eyes that is a good thing. And noone has yet to answer my question: Why are you all over Al Sharpton's arse anyway?

Posted 5/7/08 4:02 PM
 

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Re: I heard there is going to be protestors today

I guess I am confused by why there is even a protest. Granted - none of us were in the courtroom to hear every single testimony. But - from what the news reported, the witnesses stories were inconsistent and unclear, causing reasonable doubt........ which causes an acquittal. So why didn't Al Sharpton adress any of that? If your witness's can't get their story straight - that is HUGE in a trial.

Posted 5/7/08 4:02 PM
 

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Re: I heard there is going to be protestors today

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does anyone know if it started?




channel 4 has a breaking story about the gathering beginning at the 6 locations right now

Posted 5/7/08 4:02 PM
 

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Re: I heard there is going to be protestors today

Posted by vegalady

Posted by dita

Posted by MrsPJB2007


why do you keep bringing up OTHER people when we are asking what has AL SHARPTON done to help with these issues?? No one is talking about the President (whom i also can't stand) -- you say that he is a "respectful leader in the black community"...so PLEASE enlighten us on all the amazing things that YOU know of that he has done to help the community. because all i have seen him do is create a larger GAP between the black community and the police as well as point fingers of racism.




ITA... all I ever see him doing is turning everything into a race issue if a black person is invovled. What good does he do?




Before you all start bashing Al Sharpton maybe you should go and try and research some of the positive things he has one. I dont have to sit here and give a list of good things this man has done. For me personally he speaks up for the black community and in my eyes that is a good thing. And noone has yet to answer my question: Why are you all over Al Sharpton's arse anyway?



Are you unable to name something good he has done?

Posted 5/7/08 4:03 PM
 

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I hope that something good can come of all this too, but I dont fully understand what he is protesting for.What is he hoping to get from this? Is this a protest just to help people become aware of what happened? Or is this for something else?

My issue with Al is that it always seems to be a race thing, or an anti police thing. Why cant he protest when innocent children are shot during drive bys and the shooter isnt found? Crimes against minorities are sometimes done by other minorities, I personally have not heard of him standing up for that, and trying to put an end to that.

Theresa I hope you can get home to Sofia Ava quickly and safely

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Re: I heard there is going to be protestors today

Posted by vegalady

Posted by DaniRella

Posted by Jennie0898

Posted by vegalady

Posted by DaniRella

curious - do you see any connection between "police brutality" becoming more prevalent in minority communities and the fact that violence in general tends to be more prevalent in these communities?

it's kind of like statistics - if there are more instances of violence and crimes being committed than there are going to be more police activity, arrests,

disputes, fights, etc.



Whether violence in minority communities is more prevalent or not "police brutality" is WRONG. There have been cases of police brutality outside of minority neighborhoods against minorities . So where is the excuse in that?



With all due respect, you didn't answer the question posed.

You were asked if you see a connection between "police brutality" becoming more prevalent in minority communities and the fact that violence in general tends to be more prevalent in these communities?

I think we can all agree that police brutality is wrong wherever it happens.



Thank you. Yes, I agree too.




Yes I do think that violence is more prevalent in these communties. But is your question implying that it is right for "police brutality" to take place b/c there is more violence in minority communities? I think i can answer this question for you by stating that is exactly what you are thinking b/c otherwise you have not asked the previous question.



NEVER ONCE did I EVER suggest that police brutality is right.

HOW DARE you suggest you KNOW what I or anyone else for that matter is THINKING!

I SPECIFICALLY stated that I think we all AGREE police brutality is wrong WHEREVER it occurrs and the person asking you this question AGREED that statement.

I think YOU owe MYSELF and DaniRella an APOLOGY.

Or, wait, I forgot you don't have to b/c the Al Sharpton and president don't apologize for what they say.

Geez.

Posted 5/7/08 4:03 PM
 

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Re: I heard there is going to be protestors today

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Posted by vegalady

My point is is that he is a leader in the black community and there needs to be someone to help and motivate minorities to stand up for their rights as a human being in this society.



Then he should use his power to educate minorities on drugs, gun use, violence WITHIN their own communities.

Why not stand up when a gun toting minority kills an innocent child or mother (also minority)? WHy don't we hear his big mouth then? Not enough for him to capitalize on????

He is nothing but an opportunist, trouble maker for the minority community IMO.



he does. he has a show on Sunday mornings that does just that. It educates the minority communities on issues such as gentrification, pay-day loans, community upkeep, scholarships etc. It's pretty good. He has all kinds of guests. It's a local show though, it might only air in the city.

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Posted by Theresa05

does anyone know if it started?




channel 4 has a breaking story about the gathering beginning at the 6 locations right now




Can u tell me pleaseeee where they are?

Posted 5/7/08 4:04 PM
 

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Re: I heard there is going to be protestors today

Posted by vegalady

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Posted by MrsPJB2007


why do you keep bringing up OTHER people when we are asking what has AL SHARPTON done to help with these issues?? No one is talking about the President (whom i also can't stand) -- you say that he is a "respectful leader in the black community"...so PLEASE enlighten us on all the amazing things that YOU know of that he has done to help the community. because all i have seen him do is create a larger GAP between the black community and the police as well as point fingers of racism.




ITA... all I ever see him doing is turning everything into a race issue if a black person is invovled. What good does he do?




Before you all start bashing Al Sharpton maybe you should go and try and research some of the positive things he has one. I dont have to sit here and give a list of good things this man has done. For me personally he speaks up for the black community and in my eyes that is a good thing. And noone has yet to answer my question: Why are you all over Al Sharpton's arse anyway?





Because sharpton is the one who organized this 'protest'


and by your response i guess i can see that you just follow what Al says and have no examples of any good he's done for the community. sadly i feel so many people who are followers of Al Sharpton always says the same thing "he speaks for the community!" yet can never say anything about what good its done.

Posted 5/7/08 4:05 PM
 

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Re: I heard there is going to be protestors today

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Posted by MrsPJB2007

i don't think anyone is saying its okay to have police brutality issues in communities with high violence/minorities.....i think what the question was posing....if there is highly violent crimes/felonies happening in a community....it means the people are more dangerous and therefore the level of danger that the cops face is higher. therefore accusations of police brutality will come out as the police feel they need to use more force for their protection.....and yes it happens that sometimes the force is excessive, but i don't believe anyone was saying its "okay"



exactly - that is exactly what I meant and the question reads so.



So then what is the purpose of the question? If I answered No to the question would someone have backfired and said Yes there is more instance of high crime in minority areas? And a lot of minorities are shot at, beat and brutalized by police just because they were thought of as being in a "dangerous" person in a "dangerous" area.

Posted 5/7/08 4:06 PM
 

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Re: I heard there is going to be protestors today

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Posted by MrsPJB2007

Posted by Theresa05

does anyone know if it started?




channel 4 has a breaking story about the gathering beginning at the 6 locations right now




Can u tell me pleaseeee where they are?



right now they are on the Upper East Side -- thats where they are reporting from on the tv.

queens borough bride shut down in both directions

2nd ave. pretty much shut down.


-125th & Lexington is another area they are at

they are at the ramps of the Triborough bridge as well - but police are stopping them from getting on there.

Manhattan bridge is shut down both directions

--Varick & Houston--there are about 200 protestors approaching

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Re: I heard there is going to be protestors today

Posted by MrsPJB2007

Posted by vegalady

Posted by dita

Posted by MrsPJB2007


why do you keep bringing up OTHER people when we are asking what has AL SHARPTON done to help with these issues?? No one is talking about the President (whom i also can't stand) -- you say that he is a "respectful leader in the black community"...so PLEASE enlighten us on all the amazing things that YOU know of that he has done to help the community. because all i have seen him do is create a larger GAP between the black community and the police as well as point fingers of racism.



What you tell me what bad he has done? Because all i see is that you are talking out of anger for one person and not backing any of your anger up. So do tell me what bad he has done please?




ITA... all I ever see him doing is turning everything into a race issue if a black person is invovled. What good does he do?




Before you all start bashing Al Sharpton maybe you should go and try and research some of the positive things he has one. I dont have to sit here and give a list of good things this man has done. For me personally he speaks up for the black community and in my eyes that is a good thing. And noone has yet to answer my question: Why are you all over Al Sharpton's arse anyway?





Because sharpton is the one who organized this 'protest'


and by your response i guess i can see that you just follow what Al says and have no examples of any good he's done for the community. sadly i feel so many people who are followers of Al Sharpton always says the same thing "he speaks for the community!" yet can never say anything about what good its done.


Posted 5/7/08 4:06 PM
 

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Re: I heard there is going to be protestors today

Posted by MrsPJB2007

Posted by vegalady

Posted by dita

Posted by MrsPJB2007


why do you keep bringing up OTHER people when we are asking what has AL SHARPTON done to help with these issues?? No one is talking about the President (whom i also can't stand) -- you say that he is a "respectful leader in the black community"...so PLEASE enlighten us on all the amazing things that YOU know of that he has done to help the community. because all i have seen him do is create a larger GAP between the black community and the police as well as point fingers of racism.




ITA... all I ever see him doing is turning everything into a race issue if a black person is invovled. What good does he do?




Before you all start bashing Al Sharpton maybe you should go and try and research some of the positive things he has one. I dont have to sit here and give a list of good things this man has done. For me personally he speaks up for the black community and in my eyes that is a good thing. And noone has yet to answer my question: Why are you all over Al Sharpton's arse anyway?





Because sharpton is the one who organized this 'protest'


and by your response i guess i can see that you just follow what Al says and have no examples of any good he's done for the community. sadly i feel so many people who are followers of Al Sharpton always says the same thing "he speaks for the community!" yet can never say anything about what good its done.


Posted 5/7/08 4:07 PM
 

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Re: I heard there is going to be protestors today

Posted by MrsPJB2007

Posted by Theresa05

Posted by MrsPJB2007

Posted by Theresa05

does anyone know if it started?




channel 4 has a breaking story about the gathering beginning at the 6 locations right now




Can u tell me pleaseeee where they are?



right now they are on the Upper East Side -- thats where they are reporting from on the tv.

queens borough bride shut down in both directions

2nd ave. pretty much shut down.


-125th & Lexington is another area they are at

they are at the ramps of the Triborough bridge as well - but police are stopping them from getting on there.

Manhattan bridge is shut down both directions



I AM LIVID the bridge is closed...
yeah SOME GOOD THAT IS..
they have RIGHTS to close a bridge to prove a point....

Posted 5/7/08 4:07 PM
 

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Re: I heard there is going to be protestors today

Posted by vegalady

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Posted by MrsPJB2007

i don't think anyone is saying its okay to have police brutality issues in communities with high violence/minorities.....i think what the question was posing....if there is highly violent crimes/felonies happening in a community....it means the people are more dangerous and therefore the level of danger that the cops face is higher. therefore accusations of police brutality will come out as the police feel they need to use more force for their protection.....and yes it happens that sometimes the force is excessive, but i don't believe anyone was saying its "okay"



exactly - that is exactly what I meant and the question reads so.



So then what is the purpose of the question? If I answered No to the question would someone have backfired and said Yes there is more instance of high crime in minority areas? And a lot of minorities are shot at, beat and brutalized by police just because they were thought of as being in a "dangerous" person in a "dangerous" area.



unfortunately, you are choosing not to see the connection so then the question no longer has a purpose. Chat Icon

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Posted 5/7/08 4:08 PM
 

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Re: I heard there is going to be protestors today

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Posted by vegalady

Posted by dita

Posted by MrsPJB2007


why do you keep bringing up OTHER people when we are asking what has AL SHARPTON done to help with these issues?? No one is talking about the President (whom i also can't stand) -- you say that he is a "respectful leader in the black community"...so PLEASE enlighten us on all the amazing things that YOU know of that he has done to help the community. because all i have seen him do is create a larger GAP between the black community and the police as well as point fingers of racism.




ITA... all I ever see him doing is turning everything into a race issue if a black person is invovled. What good does he do?




Before you all start bashing Al Sharpton maybe you should go and try and research some of the positive things he has one. I dont have to sit here and give a list of good things this man has done. For me personally he speaks up for the black community and in my eyes that is a good thing. And noone has yet to answer my question: Why are you all over Al Sharpton's arse anyway?



Are you unable to name something good he has done?



It's more than obvious she has nothing to substantiate her claim of greatness for Al Sharpton. I know if I go mixing into an argument, I can at least support my positionChat Icon

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Re: I heard there is going to be protestors today

Posted by vegalady

Before you all start bashing Al Sharpton maybe you should go and try and research some of the positive things he has one. I dont have to sit here and give a list of good things this man has done. For me personally he speaks up for the black community and in my eyes that is a good thing. And noone has yet to answer my question: Why are you all over Al Sharpton's arse anyway?



Why is it that you can't name ONE THING POSITIVE he's done???

No one's asking for an all encompassing list. Just ONE THING.

Yet you CAN'T do it.

Oh wait, he speaks out. What does that mean??? What PRODUCTIVE thing has the man done for the black community???

At what point has he EVER tried to UNTIE the black and white communities or the NYPD??? When?

For such a staunch supporter, you can't even give one instance of GOOD he's done.

And WHY is everyone all over him??? Are you serious?? NUMEROUS posts have expressed WHY he's not liked.

What more do you want? Chat Icon

Posted 5/7/08 4:11 PM
 

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Re: I heard there is going to be protestors today

Ugh - HOW long is it going to take everyone to get home tonight ??

The NYPD will def. be earning their OT today ...........I hope no one gets hurt.

Sharpton is going to get everyone all hyped up and angry and 'police hating' ........
well isn't THAT an effective way to exercise their 'right' ? Chat Icon

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