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MC09
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Re: Another mass shooting...church in TX
Mental illness isn't exclusive to this country. Mentally ill people in other countries aren't carrying out such carnage.
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MsSissy
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Re: Another mass shooting...church in TX
Air Force Failed to Report Texas Church Gunman Devin Kelley’s Domestic Violence Convictions
Well isn't this lovely! Sipped right through the cracks.
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| Posted 11/6/17 8:42 PM |
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Mrs213
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Another mass shooting...church in TX
I'm completely desensitized to it.
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| Posted 11/6/17 9:22 PM |
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LIRascal
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Re: Another mass shooting...church in TX
Posted by RainyDay
It has to start somewhere. Just sitting around saying "oh well there are already 300 million so lets keep making it legal." Isnt doing anything. I don't want to hear the BS excuse that people need it for protection because how well did that help those people who were murdered yesterday?
Please don't misunderstand me. ITA, it does have to start somewhere. We need better and more concrete background checks and preventative measures to get guns out of mentally ill peoples' hands. There already is a law ( I don't remember if it's Federal) saying that legally registered firearms could be confiscated if the registered person is a violent domestic abuser. 
However, Congress can pass all of the laws they want. And next time this happens, people will say "no one did anything". We have yet to figure out the right solution. Taking away the right to own a firearm takes valuable and precious resources away from Healthcare reform in this country, Mental illness treatments and the environment: all important causes that have viable solutions.
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| Posted 11/6/17 9:58 PM |
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LIRascal
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Re: Another mass shooting...church in TX
He did! Disgusting. There is a FEDERAL LAW banning people who have been convicted of domestic violence from owning firearms. Guess that piece of paper (law) didn't prevent this mass shooting, either. 
On June 27, the Supreme Court of the United States (SCOTUS) upheld a federal law prohibiting gun possession for those convicted of domestic violence.
The case – Voisine v. United States – revolved around whether “reckless” domestic assault crossed the threshold of misdemeanor domestic assault, thereby barring gun possession. Two individuals from Maine – who forfeited their Second Amendment rights because of “reckless” domestic convictions – argued that their actions should not be equated with intentional domestic assault.
But Huffington Post reports that Justices Elena Kagan, Anthony Kennedy, Ruth Bader Ginsberg, Samuel Alito, Steven Breyer, and Chief Justice John Roberts ruled that “reckless” domestic violence does cross the threshold, thereby warranting a prohibition on gun possession.
Kagan wrote the majority opinion, which said, “A person who assaults another recklessly ‘use[s]’ force, no less than one who carries out that same action knowingly or intentionally.”
The Associated Press reports that Voisine reached SCOTUS after “a federal appeals court” also ruled against the two plaintiffs.
The SCOTUS ruling is an affirmation that violent acts “committed in the heat of an argument” will be viewed the same as “intentional acts of abuse,” when considering who can or cannot exercise Second Amendment rights.
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| Posted 11/6/17 10:04 PM |
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MC09
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Re: Another mass shooting...church in TX
Bottom line is mental illness or not, it's absolutely absurd that in the world's leading nation the average citizen can walk into a gun shop and legally walk out with a semi automatic assault rifle to add to their basement stockpile.
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| Posted 11/6/17 10:14 PM |
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gina409
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Re: Another mass shooting...church in TX
Posted by RainyDay
It has to start somewhere. Just sitting around saying "oh well there are already 300 million so lets keep making it legal." Isnt doing anything. I dont want to hear the BS excuse that people need it for protection because how well did that help those people who were murdered yesterday?
I agree. Why can't we start with a cap on how many to purchase
Stricter punishment for having a illegal gun or nothavk g a permit. Etc
Background checks. Reapplying for permits every year
We have to start somewhere.
How about why a person like him was legally allowed to buy a gun
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| Posted 11/6/17 11:37 PM |
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MsSissy
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Re: Another mass shooting...church in TX
Posted by LIRascal
He did! Disgusting. There is a FEDERAL LAW banning people who have been convicted of domestic violence from owning firearms. Guess that piece of paper (law) didn't prevent this mass shooting, either.
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Guess we'll never know since The US Air Force never reported the conviction.
ETS: I agrer with the others. That we need to start somewhere. Doing nothing isnt stopping these massacres either. We need changes across the board. On gun regularions AND mental health issues. Right now it seems nothing is being done on either issue.
Posted by MsSissy
Posted by LIRascal
Automatic firearms are illegal in the US. Modifying a semiautomatic firearm to become an automatic is also illegal. An AR-15 civilian issued firearm is semi-automatic. It looks scary, but a regular old-fashioned shotgun is a lot deadlier.
Is a regular old fashioned shotgun really deadlier than an AR-15? Would it have been able to kill 26 people and injury 20 in the same amount of time?
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| Posted 11/7/17 6:37 AM |
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mommy2B3
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Re: Another mass shooting...church in TX
Posted by MsSissy
Posted by LIRascal
He did! Disgusting. There is a FEDERAL LAW banning people who have been convicted of domestic violence from owning firearms. Guess that piece of paper (law) didn't prevent this mass shooting, either.
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Guess we'll never know since The US Air Force never reported the conviction.
ETS: I agrer with the others. That we need to start somewhere. Doing nothing isnt stopping these massacres either. We need changes across the board. On gun regularions AND mental health issues. Right now it seems nothing is being done on either issue.
Posted by MsSissy
Posted by LIRascal
Automatic firearms are illegal in the US. Modifying a semiautomatic firearm to become an automatic is also illegal. An AR-15 civilian issued firearm is semi-automatic. It looks scary, but a regular old-fashioned shotgun is a lot deadlier.
Is a regular old fashioned shotgun really deadlier than an AR-15? Would it have been able to kill 26 people and injury 20 in the same amount of time?
A shotgun is not deadlier. An ar15 is sold with a 30 round magazine and can have up to 100 round after market magazine. A shot gun is a single or double barrel and really only holds 7 or 8 shells.
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| Posted 11/7/17 9:34 AM |
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LIRascal
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Re: Another mass shooting...church in TX
Posted by mommy2B3
Posted by MsSissy
Posted by LIRascal
He did! Disgusting. There is a FEDERAL LAW banning people who have been convicted of domestic violence from owning firearms. Guess that piece of paper (law) didn't prevent this mass shooting, either.
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Guess we'll never know since The US Air Force never reported the conviction.
ETS: I agrer with the others. That we need to start somewhere. Doing nothing isnt stopping these massacres either. We need changes across the board. On gun regularions AND mental health issues. Right now it seems nothing is being done on either issue.
Posted by MsSissy
Posted by LIRascal
Automatic firearms are illegal in the US. Modifying a semiautomatic firearm to become an automatic is also illegal. An AR-15 civilian issued firearm is semi-automatic. It looks scary, but a regular old-fashioned shotgun is a lot deadlier.
Is a regular old fashioned shotgun really deadlier than an AR-15? Would it have been able to kill 26 people and injury 20 in the same amount of time?
A shotgun is not deadlier. An ar15 is sold with a 30 round magazine and can have up to 100 round after market magazine. A shot gun is a single or double barrel and really only holds 7 or 8 shells.
Depends on your definition of "deadlier" I guess.
Shotgun will put a hole the size of a baseball through a 1000 pound bear. A single rifle round will quickly whiz right through him, allowing him to continue running toward you.
If I had my choice for home protection, shotgun it is.
Now, more quickly, I guess an AR-15 could. Faster doesn't always equal deadlier if the shooter is sloppy...
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| Posted 11/7/17 1:34 PM |
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GoldenRod
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Re: Another mass shooting...church in TX
Posted by LIRascal
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Depends on your definition of "deadlier" I guess.
Shotgun will put a hole the size of a baseball through a 1000 pound bear. A single rifle round will quickly whiz right through him, allowing him to continue running toward you.
If I had my choice for home protection, shotgun it is.
Now, more quickly, I guess an AR-15 could. Faster doesn't always equal deadlier if the shooter is sloppy...
For home protection, most experts prefer a shotgun with shot (instead of a slug). Wider spread, so if your aim is off, you have a better chance of hitting them, and it doesn't have as much penetrating force, so you probably won't shoot the rest of your family in the next room....
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| Posted 11/7/17 2:03 PM |
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Paramount
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Another mass shooting...church in TX
Same old same old till the next mass shooting.
If 20 murdered 1st graders, and now, what 15 children? dead hasn't done anything, nothing will.
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| Posted 11/7/17 3:25 PM |
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MissJones
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Re: Another mass shooting...church in TX
Posted by Paramount
Same old same old till the next mass shooting.
If 20 murdered 1st graders, and now, what 15 children? dead hasn't done anything, nothing will.
Yup. 
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| Posted 11/8/17 5:34 AM |
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busymomonli
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Re: Another mass shooting...church in TX
Texas gunman escaped from mental health facility in 2012
I'd say that's a history of documented mental illness.
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| Posted 11/8/17 7:23 AM |
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MsSissy
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Re: Another mass shooting...church in TX
Infuriating.
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| Posted 11/8/17 9:03 AM |
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MC09
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Re: Another mass shooting...church in TX
It seems like another case of a criminal with a long rap sheet and a history of violence and mental illness allowed to freely walk the streets. Those innocent people, many of them babies, paid the ultimate price. 
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| Posted 11/8/17 10:37 AM |
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SecretlyTTC14
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Re: Another mass shooting...church in TX
It's appalling that this man was allowed to buy guns. Nice background check. It's bu llshit. Any accusation of domestic violence should be an automatic denial. Being admitted to a mental health facility should also be an automatic denial. Escaping from one? That's not even a question.
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| Posted 11/8/17 10:48 AM |
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MrsT809
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Another mass shooting...church in TX
There was a nice write up yesterday on fb from News and Guts. It basically talked about not stigmatized mental health issues with mass shootings. Think about how many of us know someone who has or are ourselves being treated for a mental health issue. Every person who has sought help for depression or anxiety doesn't necessarily need to be denied access to a gun. The bigger indicator has been domestic abuse. That is more closely associated with gun violence and could have stopped many of the mass shootings we've seen. There is zero reason someone who has been convicted of domestic abuse should be allowed access to guns.
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| Posted 11/8/17 11:00 AM |
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NervousNell
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Re: Another mass shooting...church in TX
Posted by MrsT809
There was a nice write up yesterday on fb from News and Guts. It basically talked about not stigmatized mental health issues with mass shootings. Think about how many of us know someone who has or are ourselves being treated for a mental health issue. Every person who has sought help for depression or anxiety doesn't necessarily need to be denied access to a gun. The bigger indicator has been domestic abuse. That is more closely associated with gun violence and could have stopped many of the mass shootings we've seen. There is zero reason someone who has been convicted of domestic abuse should be allowed access to guns.
I'm curious what he was in the mental institution for though. Was it anxiety and depression? Or something bigger like schizophrenia?
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| Posted 11/8/17 11:03 AM |
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SecretlyTTC14
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Re: Another mass shooting...church in TX
Posted by MrsT809
There was a nice write up yesterday on fb from News and Guts. It basically talked about not stigmatized mental health issues with mass shootings. Think about how many of us know someone who has or are ourselves being treated for a mental health issue. Every person who has sought help for depression or anxiety doesn't necessarily need to be denied access to a gun. The bigger indicator has been domestic abuse. That is more closely associated with gun violence and could have stopped many of the mass shootings we've seen. There is zero reason someone who has been convicted of domestic abuse should be allowed access to guns.
Yeah, I guess I should have thought more about my last post. If you have mild anxiety, I don't see that as a red flag. It would also stop people from seeking help if they thought their guns would be taken away for doing so.
Domestic violence is definitely the bigger indicator.
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| Posted 11/8/17 11:11 AM |
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LIRascal
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Another mass shooting...church in TX
Again, there is a federal law already banning Domestic abusers the right to purchase a firearm and it mandates that they hand over their firearms.
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| Posted 11/8/17 11:29 AM |
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LIRascal
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Re: Another mass shooting...church in TX
Posted by Paramount
Same old same old till the next mass shooting.
If 20 murdered 1st graders, and now, what 15 children? dead hasn't done anything, nothing will.
A lot has been done, and none of it has worked.
We need to find an actual solution to the problem, and no one can come up with a viable plan. Every little bit helps save one person, I am sure. But, more restrictions will be passed, reforms will be made and when the next mass shooting happens, people will still claim "we are doing nothing".
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| Posted 11/8/17 11:32 AM |
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MrsT809
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Re: Another mass shooting...church in TX
Posted by LIRascal
Again, there is a federal law already banning Domestic abusers the right to purchase a firearm and it mandates that they hand over their firearms.
Right, so what can be done to make these laws more effective? Databases that work better together, getting rid of gun shows, idk? Unannounced home searches when someone is on probation? I'm no gun expert and don't plan to become one but it's very frustrating when all I hear is how ignorant I am or how all the suggestions out there are uninformed but no viable solutions are offered along with the criticism.
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| Posted 11/8/17 11:47 AM |
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RainyDay
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Re: Another mass shooting...church in TX
Posted by LIRascal
Posted by Paramount
Same old same old till the next mass shooting.
If 20 murdered 1st graders, and now, what 15 children? dead hasn't done anything, nothing will.
A lot has been done, and none of it has worked.
We need to find an actual solution to the problem, and no one can come up with a viable plan. Every little bit helps save one person, I am sure. But, more restrictions will be passed, reforms will be made and when the next mass shooting happens, people will still claim "we are doing nothing".
So what is your suggestion? We just sit around and not pass restrictions? If a restriction saves atleast one life then I am all for it.
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| Posted 11/8/17 11:57 AM |
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SecretlyTTC14
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Re: Another mass shooting...church in TX
There are too many loopholes in the law. Even in NYS (which is stricter than other states regarding guns), someone with a restraining order against them can still keep their guns. They just have to say they temporarily transferred ownership to a family member. No one even checks to verify that's true. How does that keep anyone safe?
Convicted felons can own guns and obtain a hunting license if they apply for a certificate of relief from civil disabilities. They just have to swear they are rehabilitated.
It's pretty easy for criminals to keep their guns. Stricter laws and closing the loopholes would be a good start.
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