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Re: Question for those who work in offices...
Posted by Ophelia
do you know for a fact that a dr's note has not been provided.
that really isn't any of your concern, so your bosses may not tell you (unless you are the boss and work in hr)
also, the flu could be just an excuse for another more serious illness that your colleague does not want to divulge. also not your concern and totally at his/her discretion.
if you are all truly overworked and there is no end in site, perhaps your employer could seek to hire a temp.
this way you could get help and your colleague can recover without worrying how much work is being left behind.
I agree with this.
Also, by law, she does not need to discuss her illness (or even tell them what she has) to her employer.
As a fellow employee, it's really none of your concern- if there is an issue with the workflow, THAT is obviously of your concern, but that should be discussed with your employer (void of bringing up the other employee's health status).
On a side note, though, the policy for my company is that if you're out for more than 5 business days, you need to go on disability.
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Re: Question for those who work in offices...
i am thinking that maybe something more serious is going on and they don't want to disclose it.
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Re: Question for those who work in offices...
Posted by ave1024
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There might be something going on where they are just saying they are sick to cover it up. your employer might know the truth and she just doesn't want to share it with you.
I just read this thread further and it looks like the OP isn't the manager. So yes it is possible there is something going on behind the scenes that you are not privy to that information.
i thought the same thing but after today - our manager told some of the other employees who were also complaining that there is no 'hidden problems' - that it is exactly what it appears to be. b/c before they got upset they wanted to ask and make sure there wasn't anything more serious going on - so they basically said, just tell us if it is something else but you don't have to tell us WHAT - and my boss was like 'i assure you - NOTHING else is wrong'
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Re: Question for those who work in offices...
Well, as it is none of your business what might be medically wrong with this person, what you should do/concern yourself with at this point is that the people selected to organize your company are prepared to replace this person should they be out for more than 26 weeks.
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Re: Question for those who work in offices...
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Well, as it is none of your business what might be medically wrong with this person, what you should do/concern yourself with at this point is that the people selected to organize your company are prepared to replace this person should they be out for more than 26 weeks.
I'm confused by this.
So, you think - if this happened to you at your job and someone took off - whether sick or not - for as long as they wanted - weeks on end - that it would be OK and no one should question the validity of it?
Meaning, she can just call in - not say why and just not show up for 2.5-3 weeks and that's fine and dandy? I mean, I wouldn't normally give a crap what people do but when it effects me and I have to work double, come in early, stay late, work weekends, etc it becomes a problem. I don't think, if it were you, that you would like that very much and I think you would want either an explaination OR some sort of "I'll be back by _____ date" from this person - not just "sorry, see ya later!", KWIM??
I don't EVER concern myself with what others are doing at work... UNTIL it effects me directly and it really has.
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Re: Question for those who work in offices...
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Posted by MrsSupermarket
Well, as it is none of your business what might be medically wrong with this person, what you should do/concern yourself with at this point is that the people selected to organize your company are prepared to replace this person should they be out for more than 26 weeks.
I'm confused by this.
So, you think - if this happened to you at your job and someone took off - whether sick or not - for as long as they wanted - weeks on end - that it would be OK and no one should question the validity of it?
Meaning, she can just call in - not say why and just not show up for 2.5-3 weeks and that's fine and dandy? I mean, I wouldn't normally give a crap what people do but when it effects me and I have to work double, come in early, stay late, work weekends, etc it becomes a problem. I don't think, if it were you, that you would like that very much and I think you would want either an explaination OR some sort of "I'll be back by _____ date" from this person - not just "sorry, see ya later!", KWIM??
I don't EVER concern myself with what others are doing at work... UNTIL it effects me directly and it really has.
Well, I would know why someone was out for weeks, because I am in Human Resources, but as an employee, my suggestion to you is to contact those who can offer temporary help to you while this employee is "out".
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Re: Question for those who work in offices...
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Well, as it is none of your business what might be medically wrong with this person, what you should do/concern yourself with at this point is that the people selected to organize your company are prepared to replace this person should they be out for more than 26 weeks.
I'm confused by this.
So, you think - if this happened to you at your job and someone took off - whether sick or not - for as long as they wanted - weeks on end - that it would be OK and no one should question the validity of it?
Meaning, she can just call in - not say why and just not show up for 2.5-3 weeks and that's fine and dandy? I mean, I wouldn't normally give a crap what people do but when it effects me and I have to work double, come in early, stay late, work weekends, etc it becomes a problem. I don't think, if it were you, that you would like that very much and I think you would want either an explaination OR some sort of "I'll be back by _____ date" from this person - not just "sorry, see ya later!", KWIM??
I don't EVER concern myself with what others are doing at work... UNTIL it effects me directly and it really has.
Well, I would know why someone was out for weeks, because I am in Human Resources, but as an employee, my suggestion to you is to contact those who can offer temporary help to you while this employee is "out".
I am the only other person in our department - so, everything falls on me and we have no HR dept b/c it is a small, private company... So, sometimes I feel as though people - knowing this - take advantage. Again, do I care? Not normally but when all of the work is falling on me it becomes stressful.
ETA: other people, bothered by this, who are not even in my dept so this isn't even effecting them have complained to our boss so it is becoming an issue and I'm not the only one seeing this and thinking it is odd.
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In my office if you call out 5 or more consecutive days you go on disability. That is a reallllyyyy long time to be out for the flu.
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I just think if it is effecting you and your work - then you boss needs to talked to - not about 'why' this person is out, but how you are 'overloaded' with work, due to this person being out.
And maybe suggest getting part time help while she is out to help you 'handle' the extra work
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I think the best thing to do would to sit down with your boss and find out a good way to delegate some of the work.
Also it's good to set boundaries. I find that sometimes people put themselves in situations where they think they have to stay late/come in early, but that's not always the case.
Prioritize---especially if the work is always gonna be there ;).
Not saying this is your situation, but I do see it happen a ton in my field at least.
I also know others who have had a ****-ton of bad luck happen to them one situation right after the other, so they had to take a lot of time off.
A select few of us were told the situation because we had that kind of relationship with the co-worker where she wanted us to know.
I think by law, an employer can't come right out and tell you, so it makes the most sense that they may just lie and say "nothing else is wrong, they have the flu and that's it". It just seems like the easiest way to go.
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It's annoying...but if you're sick, you're sick, i guess. Just be glad she's not in the office coughing all over you and your shared items like copy machines, fax, etc.
I personally would not stay at a job that required me to work extra days and/or hours to cover someone else's slack. If I could comfortably do the extra work in my normal hours, then no problem....but there's no way I'd work a sat or sun to cover someone else's responsibilities.
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Re: Question for those who work in offices...
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It's annoying...but if you're sick, you're sick, i guess. Just be glad she's not in the office coughing all over you and your shared items like copy machines, fax, etc.
I personally would not stay at a job that required me to work extra days and/or hours to cover someone else's slack. If I could comfortably do the extra work in my normal hours, then no problem....but there's no way I'd work a sat or sun to cover someone else's responsibilities.
I agree. They can ask, but you don't always have to agree to what they are asking. Especially if it wasn't in your original job description. I also hate when I see people taken advantage of as well, and use that "well it's just an unwritten rule/expectation that I need to do this". I disagree because I've been there/done that and got nothing but stress and agrravation from it.
I have found that this is often why work environments become really sucky really quickly.
If they see that someone in their eyes is willing to do 3 jobs, that saves them $$$$ from having to hire on someone else.
I am kinda going through this right now at work. I am preparing a presentation to present to the higher-ups next week, and bringing evidence of a lot of incidents that have happened that could ultimately prevent us from getting more clients---and worse case scenario, even close down our program if it keeps up.
I am hoping this will show them that they need to hire an assistant supervisor, that ultimately will end up paying for itself anyways.
ETA: I left a previous job (also small place, private company) because my boss had no backbone and wouldn't fire some employees who were totally taking advantage of "being able to work in the field and from home". I was stuck doing a lot of their work for many months, and finally, I just had enough and said F it and put in my notice and went to a competitor company ;).
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If your bos were to come out and say any thing else other than what he said, she could SUE THE PANTS of him. even without an HR dept, he knows this.
if you company has more than 50 employees, she is also eligible for FMLA which allows you unpaid sick or disability leave for you or a family member for up to one year, so depending on the actual severity of the situation, it could go one MUCH longer, legally, and NO, she cannot be fired.
also, we should all remember that the FLU was once one of the most deadly viruses in the world (and still kills thousands of people every year). there are many pre-existing conditions that exacerbate flu symptoms and can lead to prolongerd and DIRE illness from it.
furthermore, there is more than one strain and the vaccinations do not work on all of them.
so, I've you've truly had the INFLUENZA virus this year and come out punching early, you are lucky.
but just b/c this person is taking longer to recover, doesn't mean she's pulling a fast one and not truly sick.
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Re: Question for those who work in offices...
Posted by headoverheels
i am thinking that maybe something more serious is going on and they don't want to disclose it.
Very good point
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Re: Question for those who work in offices...
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FMLA which allows you unpaid sick or disability leave for you or a family member for up to one year
quick question (just b/c i don't know)- I thought FMLA only allowed 12 weeks (or up to 26 weeks if you're caring for a member of the armed forces)??
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Ophelia
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Re: Question for those who work in offices...
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FMLA which allows you unpaid sick or disability leave for you or a family member for up to one year
quick question (just b/c i don't know)- I thought FMLA only allowed 12 weeks (or up to 26 weeks if you're caring for a member of the armed forces)??
as far as I know it's a year....but some offices and different sizes could be different.
my "office" is hugemongous! 
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Re: Question for those who work in offices...
I work for the state and after 3 consecutive days you need a doctor's note. This doesn't really mean anything, since most doctors will give notes for any reason. I had the flu last month (diagnosed by a doctor) and did not take any days off because it was a busy time. That said, I think I made a few other people in my office sick, because I really shouldn't have been there coughing all over everyone. Different people have different priorities though. Some people in my office take off if they sneeze, while I have over 50 sick days accumulated because I drag myself in when my fever is over 100 because I have work to do.
The whole days off or reason issue isn't really your problem or concern...I agree with the others that I would approach your boss about the workload issue only (not saying oh, when are they back, what's wrong, do they have a note--legally the supervisor shouldn't tell you these things, and it's none of your business), and say you can't handle it during your peak time. And I would stop picking up the slack for the other person. Then the supervisor will see that this is a real problem. If you keep working non-stop, you're only going to make yourself sick.
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Re: Question for those who work in offices...
Posted by DaniRella
I am the only other person in our department - so, everything falls on me and we have no HR dept b/c it is a small, private company... So, sometimes I feel as though people - knowing this - take advantage. Again, do I care? Not normally but when all of the work is falling on me it becomes stressful.
ETA: other people, bothered by this, who are not even in my dept so this isn't even effecting them have complained to our boss so it is becoming an issue and I'm not the only one seeing this and thinking it is odd.
I think what people here are trying to say is, while you aren't happy this really isn't your concern as just an employee. If this person quit and you were stuck for a few weeks without somebody while they hire it would be no different.
I would just continue to do your job and let your boss or management handle this as I am sure they are well aware of what's going on and know way more about this situation and what's going on.
You can mention this to your boss about delegating work, but if you do it in a negative tone and bring up the person that has been out they could be looking at you as the problem employee and not the person that's been on leave.
The person that has been out could have a terminally ill relative. You really don't know.
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Re: Question for those who work in offices...
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FMLA which allows you unpaid sick or disability leave for you or a family member for up to one year
quick question (just b/c i don't know)- I thought FMLA only allowed 12 weeks (or up to 26 weeks if you're caring for a member of the armed forces)??
as far as I know it's a year....but some offices and different sizes could be different.
my "office" is hugemongous!
FMLA is only 12 weeks after one year of employment - anything more then that is at the discretion of the company. It can be extended or a leave of absence can be granted.
It also doesn't have to be taken consecutively. I had a co-worker use the FMLA over several weeks because she was unable to work full time.
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Re: Question for those who work in offices...
At my job if you're out more than 5 days, you have to file paperwork for Short Term Disability.
Sorry you're getting the short end of the stick at work... Totally unfair!
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Re: Question for those who work in offices...
Posted by ave1024
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I am the only other person in our department - so, everything falls on me and we have no HR dept b/c it is a small, private company... So, sometimes I feel as though people - knowing this - take advantage. Again, do I care? Not normally but when all of the work is falling on me it becomes stressful.
ETA: other people, bothered by this, who are not even in my dept so this isn't even effecting them have complained to our boss so it is becoming an issue and I'm not the only one seeing this and thinking it is odd.
I think what people here are trying to say is, while you aren't happy this really isn't your concern as just an employee. If this person quit and you were stuck for a few weeks without somebody while they hire it would be no different.
I would just continue to do your job and let your boss or management handle this as I am sure they are well aware of what's going on and know way more about this situation and what's going on.
You can mention this to your boss about delegating work, but if you do it in a negative tone and bring up the person that has been out they could be looking at you as the problem employee and not the person that's been on leave.
The person that has been out could have a terminally ill relative. You really don't know.
Totally, Agree!
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Re: Question for those who work in offices...
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Posted by Ophelia
FMLA which allows you unpaid sick or disability leave for you or a family member for up to one year
quick question (just b/c i don't know)- I thought FMLA only allowed 12 weeks (or up to 26 weeks if you're caring for a member of the armed forces)??
as far as I know it's a year....but some offices and different sizes could be different.
my "office" is hugemongous!
FMLA is only 12 weeks after one year of employment - anything more then that is at the discretion of the company. It can be extended or a leave of absence can be granted.
It also doesn't have to be taken consecutively. I had a co-worker use the FMLA over several weeks because she was unable to work full time.
This is true. FMLA is only 12 weeks. If the employer determines that the leave is FMLA leave, the employer can require the employee to submit a medical certification filled out by the employee's health care provider.
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Re: Question for those who work in offices...
We have to bring in a doctor's note on the 6th consecutive day. I think after 10 days we have to apply for NYS short term disability.
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Re: Question for those who work in offices...
At my job, if I am out 3 consecutive days in a row, I have to bring in a doctors note on the day I return to work indicating that I was sick and I was seen by a doctor.
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