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Re: yet another reason why i feel screwed this election year
Posted by MrsMeloyellow
I just read it and got upset all over again. I DO HAVE A FATHER! AND A MOTHER...AND ANOTHER MOTHER...AND I HAD A STEP MOTHER TOO! I guess you could say IT DID take a village to raise me. I am so blessed to have had so many people care for me in my life.
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Re: yet another reason why i feel screwed this election year
Actually- I am not a big fan of the Boston Globe or of the NYT either- unfortunately many media sources are very biased- in either liberal or conservative directions.
But, in France he said:
In America, there's a failure to appreciate Europe's leading role in the world. Instead of celebrating your dynamic union and seeking to partner with you to meet common challenges, there have been times where America's shown arrogance and been dismissive, even derisive.
In Cairo he said: Iraq was a war of choice that provoked strong differences in my country and around the world. 9/11 was an enormous trauma to our country. The fear and anger that it provoked was understandable, but in some cases it led us to act contrary to our traditions and our ideals
I disagree with those statements he made- I personally feel that our President should not apologize for America to other countries. JMO
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yet another reason why i feel screwed this election year
This post is an example of what i had notice, a lot of people are going to vote for romney not bc they agree with his belives but because they are dissappointed with the job obama had done regarding the economy. Its sad that only 2 option are to vote for someone that give you a little hope regarding the economy but is against a lot of things you believe on. Or the other person you no longer trust regarding the economy but stand for the civil rights you do believe.
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Re: yet another reason why i feel screwed this election year
Posted by springchick
This post is an example of what i had notice, a lot of people are going to vote for romney not bc they agree with his belives but because they are dissappointed with the job obama had done regarding the economy. Its sad that only 2 option are to vote for someone that give you a little hope regarding the economy but is against a lot of things you believe on. Or the other person you no longer trust regarding the economy but stand for the civil rights you do believe.
I agree entirely.
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Re: yet another reason why i feel screwed this election year
I can totally appreciate why that is upsetting and conflicts with your belief system.
My DH is not a Democrat (independent) and in his line of work (finance) it would benefit him to vote Republican. Last election and this election is is the social issues that keep him voting Democratic. While he feels fiscally it *might* be better for him/us to vote Republican (although with Romneys plan so vague and unclear he is not sure of this just thinks it might) he can't get past the social issues and Romneys views on women, abortion, gay marriage as well as where he will make his cuts. I know there is abuse of the welfare/food stamp system, but a lot of the social programs in this country feed the children of our nation and I can't bear the thought of a baby going hungry, even if that means we have to tolerate the assholess who abuse the system. It troubles me to think that if Romney comes into office this is where he will make his cuts.
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Re: yet another reason why i feel screwed this election year
With his views on women and gays, this man is ready to propel us back into the dark ages.
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Re: yet another reason why i feel screwed this election year
Posted by casey31
Honestly- I don't believe much of what the Huffington Post writes just as many liberals don't believe the Post or Fox News.
I am liberal in social issues- I think gay marriage should be allowed, I am pro-choice.
However, I STRONGLY disagree with Obama on foreign affairs and I STRONGLY feel that Romney will help the economy more.
Those issues are more important to me at this time.
I did not vote for Obama in '08- I felt he was too radical- although I would have voted for Hillary if she had won the primary.
I will definitely vote for Romney over Obama- although I might vote for ANYONE over Obama as I feel his foreign affairs and economic record is awful.
Just my thoughts.
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Re: yet another reason why i feel screwed this election year
it just really sucks to hear that. My whole life I've dealt with people who either poked fun at or brought up my upbringing as a negative. Kids in high school felt they had the right to ask if i ever caught my 2 moms having sex and asked all sorts of questions re: sex toys or made comments about having 3somes with my lesbian mothers...the kinds of things that were considered completely inappropriate and out of line to ask someone about their straight parents. I had people who felt I was of a lesser class because of my upbringing.
I'm not going to lie...my childhood wasn't perfect...but it had nothing to do with what was between the legs of my moms partner of choice. all in all there was love in our household. If gay parenting did anything to impact my contribution to society and how i raise my own child...it was to teach me tolerance, respect, and how to love someone...genuinely and purely...for who they are as a person, and what's in their heart...not between their legs.
My mother and father continued to remain on a united front in their love and care for us even after they separated. They are still the best of friends to this very day...thats another thing that has taught me about respect. my biological parents respect each other...in such a unique way! So much so that my father and his then girlfriend would meet up with my mother and her lover at clubs to celebrate their anniversary or to show support during PRIDE. There was always such a huge sense of FAMILY and family always has each others back no matter what happens!
We were taught values and to respect our parents...all of them. (oh how i recall the lecture I got from my mom the day I told my step mom "you're not my mother!"
I can't predict the future but my son is 15 months old and he is the most loving and smart little boy! he hugs and kisses every other child he meets. He is well adjusted and as he is old enough to understand it...I will not lie to him...he will know all about his grandma's lover...both the one who raised me and her current one who fights for our freedom. I think I'm doing an amazing job with him and I'm sure he will be an amazing positive contribution to society.
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Re: yet another reason why i feel screwed this election year
how appropriate that this would show up on my timeline right now.
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Re: yet another reason why i feel screwed this election year
I know it's difficult to pick who to vote for when each candidate is not perfect and each candidate may have agenda we don't agree with. But even if you don't vote, someone is going to win. So all you can do is pick the person who represents the issue that is most important to you. You know, what can you get over, what is your priority, etc. And that's that. It is what it is, no candidate is perfect it seems.
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Re: yet another reason why i feel screwed this election year
I saw this quote yesterday, and I think it sums up some of the feelings in this thread:
“I wish my moderate Republican friends would simply be honest. They all say they’re voting for Romney because of his economic policies (tenuous and ill-formed as they are), and that they disagree with him on gay rights. Fine. Then look me in the eye, speak with a level clear voice, and say, ‘My taxes and take-home pay mean more than your fundamental civil rights, the sanctity of your marriage, your right to visit an ailing spouse in the hospital, your dignity as a citizen of this country, your healthcare, your right to inherit, the mental welfare and emotional well-being of your youth, and your very personhood.’ It’s like voting for George Wallace during the Civil Rights movements, and apologizing for his racism. You’re still complicit. You’re still perpetuating anti-gay legislation and cultural homophobia. You don’t get to walk away clean, because you say you ‘disagree’ with your candidate on these issues.”
—Pulitzer and Tony winning playwright Doug Wright
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Re: yet another reason why i feel screwed this election year
OP, 
I can see how conflicted you feel but remember that the choice isn't only between the two of them.
Have you looked for a third party candidate who shares your views?
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ElizaRags35
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Re: yet another reason why i feel screwed this election year
Posted by MrsMeloyellow
it just really sucks to hear that. My whole life I've dealt with people who either poked fun at or brought up my upbringing as a negative. Kids in high school felt they had the right to ask if i ever caught my 2 moms having sex and asked all sorts of questions re: sex toys or made comments about having 3somes with my lesbian mothers...the kinds of things that were considered completely inappropriate and out of line to ask someone about their straight parents. I had people who felt I was of a lesser class because of my upbringing.
I'm not going to lie...my childhood wasn't perfect...but it had nothing to do with what was between the legs of my moms partner of choice. all in all there was love in our household. If gay parenting did anything to impact my contribution to society and how i raise my own child...it was to teach me tolerance, respect, and how to love someone...genuinely and purely...for who they are as a person, and what's in their heart...not between their legs.
My mother and father continued to remain on a united front in their love and care for us even after they separated. They are still the best of friends to this very day...thats another thing that has taught me about respect. my biological parents respect each other...in such a unique way! So much so that my father and his then girlfriend would meet up with my mother and her lover at clubs to celebrate their anniversary or to show support during PRIDE. There was always such a huge sense of FAMILY and family always has each others back no matter what happens!
We were taught values and to respect our parents...all of them. (oh how i recall the lecture I got from my mom the day I told my step mom "you're not my mother!"
I can't predict the future but my son is 15 months old and he is the most loving and smart little boy! he hugs and kisses every other child he meets. He is well adjusted and as he is old enough to understand it...I will not lie to him...he will know all about his grandma's lover...both the one who raised me and her current one who fights for our freedom. I think I'm doing an amazing job with him and I'm sure he will be an amazing positive contribution to society.
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Re: yet another reason why i feel screwed this election year
Posted by DrMeg
I saw this quote yesterday, and I think it sums up some of the feelings in this thread:
“I wish my moderate Republican friends would simply be honest. They all say they’re voting for Romney because of his economic policies (tenuous and ill-formed as they are), and that they disagree with him on gay rights. Fine. Then look me in the eye, speak with a level clear voice, and say, ‘My taxes and take-home pay mean more than your fundamental civil rights, the sanctity of your marriage, your right to visit an ailing spouse in the hospital, your dignity as a citizen of this country, your healthcare, your right to inherit, the mental welfare and emotional well-being of your youth, and your very personhood.’ It’s like voting for George Wallace during the Civil Rights movements, and apologizing for his racism. You’re still complicit. You’re still perpetuating anti-gay legislation and cultural homophobia. You don’t get to walk away clean, because you say you ‘disagree’ with your candidate on these issues.”
—Pulitzer and Tony winning playwright Doug Wright
I don't think it is this black and white for a lot of people. I am voting for Obama. With that said, I DO NOT think people who are voting for Romney for economic reasons have the reasoning, my take home pay and tax return are more important than your civil rights. That is so dramatic. People's take home pay, if they are currently out of work and are struggling to feed their families, DO trump the rights of others for the time being. Maybe, if they had a job or food on the table, they would vote democrat bc they DO want those being denied civil rights to have them. but RIGHT NOW, they are having trouble keeping a roof over their child's head, there are people putting their children to bed hungry, and if I were in that position....I might vote Romney too. We are lucky, that even in this economy, we are much better off than we were 4 years ago, so I have the luxury to base my vote on social issues. If I had my children's eyes staring up at me, telling me they were hungry, I might be singing a different tune. I cannot blame someone who has been out of work for an extended period of time and are one rent check away from being on out the streets with their children, I cannot fault them for putting their needs first.
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Re: yet another reason why i feel screwed this election year
Posted by 2BadSoSad
Posted by DrMeg
I saw this quote yesterday, and I think it sums up some of the feelings in this thread:
“I wish my moderate Republican friends would simply be honest. They all say they’re voting for Romney because of his economic policies (tenuous and ill-formed as they are), and that they disagree with him on gay rights. Fine. Then look me in the eye, speak with a level clear voice, and say, ‘My taxes and take-home pay mean more than your fundamental civil rights, the sanctity of your marriage, your right to visit an ailing spouse in the hospital, your dignity as a citizen of this country, your healthcare, your right to inherit, the mental welfare and emotional well-being of your youth, and your very personhood.’ It’s like voting for George Wallace during the Civil Rights movements, and apologizing for his racism. You’re still complicit. You’re still perpetuating anti-gay legislation and cultural homophobia. You don’t get to walk away clean, because you say you ‘disagree’ with your candidate on these issues.”
—Pulitzer and Tony winning playwright Doug Wright
I don't think it is this black and white for a lot of people. I am voting for Obama. With that said, I DO NOT think people who are voting for economic reasons have the reasoning my take home pay and tax return are more important than your civil rights. That is so dramatic. People's take home pay if they are currently out of work and are struggling to feed their families DO trump othe rights of others for the time being. Maybe if they had a job or food on the table, they would vote democrat bc they DO want those being denied civil rights to have them. but RIGHT NOW, they are having trouble keeping a roof over their child's head, there are people putting their children to bed hungry, and if I were in that position....I might vote Romney too. We are lucky that even in this economy we are much better off than we were 4 years ago, so I have the luxury to base my vote on social issues. If I had my children's eyes staring up at me, telling me they were hungry, I might be singing a different tune. I cannot blame someone who has been out of works for an extended period of time and are one rent check away from being on out the streets with their children, I cannot fault them for putting their needs first.
 you hit it right on the head. It's like being in a plane crash...you have to put on your oxygen mask before you can help anyone else with theirs.
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Re: yet another reason why i feel screwed this election year
Posted by MrsMeloyellow
Posted by 2BadSoSad
Posted by DrMeg
I saw this quote yesterday, and I think it sums up some of the feelings in this thread:
“I wish my moderate Republican friends would simply be honest. They all say they’re voting for Romney because of his economic policies (tenuous and ill-formed as they are), and that they disagree with him on gay rights. Fine. Then look me in the eye, speak with a level clear voice, and say, ‘My taxes and take-home pay mean more than your fundamental civil rights, the sanctity of your marriage, your right to visit an ailing spouse in the hospital, your dignity as a citizen of this country, your healthcare, your right to inherit, the mental welfare and emotional well-being of your youth, and your very personhood.’ It’s like voting for George Wallace during the Civil Rights movements, and apologizing for his racism. You’re still complicit. You’re still perpetuating anti-gay legislation and cultural homophobia. You don’t get to walk away clean, because you say you ‘disagree’ with your candidate on these issues.”
—Pulitzer and Tony winning playwright Doug Wright
I don't think it is this black and white for a lot of people. I am voting for Obama. With that said, I DO NOT think people who are voting for economic reasons have the reasoning my take home pay and tax return are more important than your civil rights. That is so dramatic. People's take home pay if they are currently out of work and are struggling to feed their families DO trump othe rights of others for the time being. Maybe if they had a job or food on the table, they would vote democrat bc they DO want those being denied civil rights to have them. but RIGHT NOW, they are having trouble keeping a roof over their child's head, there are people putting their children to bed hungry, and if I were in that position....I might vote Romney too. We are lucky that even in this economy we are much better off than we were 4 years ago, so I have the luxury to base my vote on social issues. If I had my children's eyes staring up at me, telling me they were hungry, I might be singing a different tune. I cannot blame someone who has been out of works for an extended period of time and are one rent check away from being on out the streets with their children, I cannot fault them for putting their needs first.
you hit it right on the head. It's like being in a plane crash...you have to put on your oxygen mask before you can help anyone else with theirs.
Beautifully said!
Stop judging others for caring about whats important to them. Again, no one should have to justify their vote, thoughts, views to anyone regardless of the issue. I said it before, do you agree with every single word that comes out of obama's mouth? Every view he has? More than likely you dont. Isnt that what makes this country so great? Its what makes people so great. There is not one person who will be an exact carbon copy of you. In a different time or situation maybe things would be different. I am not trying to change anyone else's vote.
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Re: yet another reason why i feel screwed this election year
Posted by DrMeg
I saw this quote yesterday, and I think it sums up some of the feelings in this thread:
“I wish my moderate Republican friends would simply be honest. They all say they’re voting for Romney because of his economic policies (tenuous and ill-formed as they are), and that they disagree with him on gay rights. Fine. Then look me in the eye, speak with a level clear voice, and say, ‘My taxes and take-home pay mean more than your fundamental civil rights, the sanctity of your marriage, your right to visit an ailing spouse in the hospital, your dignity as a citizen of this country, your healthcare, your right to inherit, the mental welfare and emotional well-being of your youth, and your very personhood.’ It’s like voting for George Wallace during the Civil Rights movements, and apologizing for his racism. You’re still complicit. You’re still perpetuating anti-gay legislation and cultural homophobia. You don’t get to walk away clean, because you say you ‘disagree’ with your candidate on these issues.”
—Pulitzer and Tony winning playwright Doug Wright
As other posters above said, I also disagree with this statement. It's far from as cut and dry as this above statement.
I think this statement is actually inflammatory b/c who is anyone to tell others what their own priority should be? That's why we each have our OWN vote and should not have to vote in the best interests of others. It's OUR own vote.
I might disagree with Romney on his stance about gay marriage, etc, but since it is not a passion of mine or an issue I struggle with, that's not going to be a reason I don't vote for him. But maybe for the next person, yes, that will be a reason they don't vote for him. That's what having the freedom to vote, YOUR OWN VOTE, whatever you choose for whatever reason, is your right.
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Re: yet another reason why i feel screwed this election year
That quote is ridiculous and over-dramatic.
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Re: yet another reason why i feel screwed this election year
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That quote is ridiculous and over-dramatic.
Wow. I strongly disagree. We are not in his position. We can get married in any state in this country freely. He can't. Straight couples who can be married have so many rights that gay couples can't have because they cannot get married in most states. If this was the 1960's and one candidate was fighting for civil rights for blacks and the other says "separate but equal is good enough", it wouldn't be any different IMO.
From Romney's own website - "Marriage is more than a personally rewarding social custom. It is also critical for the well-being of a civilization. That is why it is so important to preserve traditional marriage – the joining together of one man and one woman. As president, Mitt will not only appoint an Attorney General who will defend the Defense of Marriage Act – a bipartisan law passed by Congress and signed by President Clinton – but he will also champion a Federal Marriage Amendment to the Constitution defining marriage as between one man and one woman."
To me, that is NOT acceptable. I'm a huge, huge advocate for LGBT rights, for equality for all Americans. I cannot and will not vote for someone whose platform is to prevent that. Hypothetically, if I were to vote for Romney, I would feel so sick about it because of his stance on gay marriage and LGBT rights. I'd personally feel that my vote would be telling my cousin or my best friends that their civil rights don't matter. So I agree with everything that he wrote. And unless you are ever in the position that he is in, where your friends or family put your civil rights on the backburner, to call his feelings "ridiculous" and "over-dramatic" is ignorant. Just because LGBT rights are not your #1 priority doesn't mean that his feelings on the subject are not legitimate.
I can't imagine what anyone, like the OP, is going through, having to decide what's more important. I guess I'm lucky that there isn't one idea, policy, plan, or view that I agree with Romney on.
What I'm trying to say is that I don't take issue if you disagree with his statement. I don't get it, but that's your (collective your) prerogative. The use of "over-dramatic" and "ridiculous" just really got to me. I think it's that mentality that is the reason the LGBT community is still fighting for equal rights in 2012.
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Re: yet another reason why i feel screwed this election year
It reminds me of the poem about the Holocaust (not comparing Republicans to Nazis, by the way; just see some similar types of thinking as the thinking expressed in this poem):
First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out--
Because I was not a Socialist.
Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out--
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out--
Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me--and there was no one left to speak for me.
Letting the government take away any group's fundamental rights is incredibly dangerous. It shouldn't matter whether or not it you think it affects you. A denial of rights affects us all.
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Re: yet another reason why i feel screwed this election year
Posted by ElizaRags35
Posted by brownie
That quote is ridiculous and over-dramatic.
Wow. I strongly disagree. We are not in his position. We can get married in any state in this country freely. He can't. Straight couples who can be married have so many rights that gay couples can't have because they cannot get married in most states. If this was the 1960's and one candidate was fighting for civil rights for blacks and the other says "separate but equal is good enough", it wouldn't be any different IMO.
From Romney's own website - "Marriage is more than a personally rewarding social custom. It is also critical for the well-being of a civilization. That is why it is so important to preserve traditional marriage – the joining together of one man and one woman. As president, Mitt will not only appoint an Attorney General who will defend the Defense of Marriage Act – a bipartisan law passed by Congress and signed by President Clinton – but he will also champion a Federal Marriage Amendment to the Constitution defining marriage as between one man and one woman."
To me, that is NOT acceptable. I'm a huge, huge advocate for LGBT rights, for equality for all Americans. I cannot and will not vote for someone whose platform is to prevent that. Hypothetically, if I were to vote for Romney, I would feel so sick about it because of his stance on gay marriage and LGBT rights. I'd personally feel that my vote would be telling my cousin or my best friends that their civil rights don't matter. So I agree with everything that he wrote. And unless you are ever in the position that he is in, where your friends or family put your civil rights on the backburner, to call his feelings "ridiculous" and "over-dramatic" is ignorant. Just because LGBT rights are not your #1 priority doesn't mean that his feelings on the subject are not legitimate.
I can't imagine what anyone, like the OP, is going through, having to decide what's more important. I guess I'm lucky that there isn't one idea, policy, plan, or view that I agree with Romney on.
What I'm trying to say is that I don't take issue if you disagree with his statement. I don't get it, but that's your (collective your) prerogative. The use of "over-dramatic" and "ridiculous" just really got to me. I think it's that mentality that is the reason the LGBT community is still fighting for equal rights in 2012.
I think the part that she is referring to as ridiculous and over dramatic is this particular line "My taxes and take-home pay mean more than your fundamental civil rights," It's an unfair comment to make. As a PP said perfectly before...it's not this black and white. It's not that people don't care about anothers civil liberties. But when your own family is a sinking ship financially...and there is a possibility someone can throw you a life raft...note the word POSSIBILITY we don't know if this is true or not...we only know that right now...on this current presidents ship we are sinking, wouldn't you seek whatever life raft you could to save your family? It's 4 am and i can't think of a more eloquent way to put it. And still...I'm kind of stuck...my husband spent over a year out of work under obama...yet romney doesn't support unions. I feel screwed. If my husband loses work again...we WILL lose our home.there are millions of families just like me or even worse off...and we are in panic mode. I would grasp at any option that keeps a roof over my families head and i don't think that makes me selfish. That being said...I am still baffled...I doubt I will be voting for either at this point.
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Re: yet another reason why i feel screwed this election year
Posted by MrsMeloyellow
Posted by ElizaRags35
Posted by brownie
That quote is ridiculous and over-dramatic.
Wow. I strongly disagree. We are not in his position. We can get married in any state in this country freely. He can't. Straight couples who can be married have so many rights that gay couples can't have because they cannot get married in most states. If this was the 1960's and one candidate was fighting for civil rights for blacks and the other says "separate but equal is good enough", it wouldn't be any different IMO.
From Romney's own website - "Marriage is more than a personally rewarding social custom. It is also critical for the well-being of a civilization. That is why it is so important to preserve traditional marriage – the joining together of one man and one woman. As president, Mitt will not only appoint an Attorney General who will defend the Defense of Marriage Act – a bipartisan law passed by Congress and signed by President Clinton – but he will also champion a Federal Marriage Amendment to the Constitution defining marriage as between one man and one woman."
To me, that is NOT acceptable. I'm a huge, huge advocate for LGBT rights, for equality for all Americans. I cannot and will not vote for someone whose platform is to prevent that. Hypothetically, if I were to vote for Romney, I would feel so sick about it because of his stance on gay marriage and LGBT rights. I'd personally feel that my vote would be telling my cousin or my best friends that their civil rights don't matter. So I agree with everything that he wrote. And unless you are ever in the position that he is in, where your friends or family put your civil rights on the backburner, to call his feelings "ridiculous" and "over-dramatic" is ignorant. Just because LGBT rights are not your #1 priority doesn't mean that his feelings on the subject are not legitimate.
I can't imagine what anyone, like the OP, is going through, having to decide what's more important. I guess I'm lucky that there isn't one idea, policy, plan, or view that I agree with Romney on.
What I'm trying to say is that I don't take issue if you disagree with his statement. I don't get it, but that's your (collective your) prerogative. The use of "over-dramatic" and "ridiculous" just really got to me. I think it's that mentality that is the reason the LGBT community is still fighting for equal rights in 2012.
I think the part that she is referring to as ridiculous and over dramatic is this particular line "My taxes and take-home pay mean more than your fundamental civil rights," It's an unfair comment to make. As a PP said perfectly before...it's not this black and white. It's not that people don't care about anothers civil liberties. But when your own family is a sinking ship financially...and there is a possibility someone can throw you a life raft...note the word POSSIBILITY we don't know if this is true or not...we only know that right now...on this current presidents ship we are sinking, wouldn't you seek whatever life raft you could to save your family? It's 4 am and i can't think of a more eloquent way to put it. And still...I'm kind of stuck...my husband spent over a year out of work under obama...yet romney doesn't support unions. I feel screwed. If my husband loses work again...we WILL lose our home.there are millions of families just like me or even worse off...and we are in panic mode. I would grasp at any option that keeps a roof over my families head and i don't think that makes me selfish. That being said...I am still baffled...I doubt I will be voting for either at this point.
I agree this is FUNDAMENTAL human nature. Looking out for ones self vs. looking out for others. I do think this influences peoples party affiliation and who they vote for. Is it wrong or right, I'm not judging, people do what they have to do...I'm just making observations.
Look at Nazi Germany and all of the wars that happen all over the world over the history of "man". There are people who are going to fight for themselves and no one else. There are people who don't like to share. Survival of the fittest. Then, you have some people that will hide someone in their attic and take a risk because that is what they believe in. I know these are extreme examples but I am pretty sure that is how the extreme mentalities stemmed from. FEAR.
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LittleBlueBug
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Re: yet another reason why i feel screwed this election year
Not trying to start drama by any means. I understand the anaology, but have to say am a little put off at the comparrison of nazi's and the movement in the 60's to this. In those times people were killed and tortured. I get the analogy, but its not the same. Comparing a holocaust to marriage rights just baffles me.
Message edited 10/27/2012 8:01:27 AM.
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| Posted 10/27/12 7:59 AM |
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ElizaRags35
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Re: yet another reason why i feel screwed this election year
Posted by LittleBlueBug
Not trying to start drama by any means. I understand the anaology, but have to say am a little put off at the comparrison of nazi's and the movement in the 60's to this. In those times people were killed and tortured. I get the analogy, but its not the same. Comparing a holocaust to marriage rights just baffles me.
Ahh I had a whole response typed up on my iPhone and I switched the app for a second and poof!
LeeCR7's post doesn't mean the fight for lgbt civil rights are being compared to the holocaust or nazi germany. It's more to show this mentality- if you don't stand up for the rights of others because it doesn't affect you, there will be no one left to stand up for yours.
I don't think the comparison between the 60's civil rights movement and today's lgbt civil rights movement is far fetched. Both groups had/have the same goal. Equality. While the present movement is less physically violent (although the brutal murder of Mathew Shepard comes to mind) there is still an excessive amount of bullying and related suicides. And just like George Wallace in the 60's whose agenda included stopping federal desegregation, Romney is doing practically the same thing by having an agenda that includes preventing any further progress of lgbt civil rights.
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| Posted 10/27/12 11:17 AM |
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hotsauce345
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Re: yet another reason why i feel screwed this election year
i get it...I think it was posed in a bit of a dramatic way with the whole hiding in the attic bit...however. I think it's so unfair that people attribute voting for romney to being a holocaust enabler or ss gestapo. people are entitled to their opinions about what will be best for their family and their immediate needs and situation...I think the quote is a wy of saying "your opinion is wrong and I'm right" and it's really unfair. you can't lump people into a category compared to nzi's because they don't vote the same way you do. I will support LGBT rights regardless of what president wins and if that means marching at the white house or anywhere else I'll do it...but it DOES NOT mean I HAVE TO vote for obama.
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| Posted 10/27/12 11:25 AM |
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