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blu6385
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what is a fair amount
what do you think is a fair amount of money to pay someone daily for say one kid (5.yo) from say 7:30ish -6:00ish everyday.
it will be at their home and they have 3 kids of their own (just stating this so people do not think its one on one time)
also same question about pay but this time with 2 kids (5 and 2)
ETA: all pay will be off the books so they will not have to pay taxes on it and I will not be able to claim it.
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Re: what is a fair amount
You're dropping off at their home, with their kids?
Are meals included?
My teenage babysitter is $10/hour for the 2 kids.
Most 'adult' babysitters charge between $12/$15 per hour .......So I'd say closer to the $12 range especially if it's ALL day, and meails are included. - for the 2, I'd up it for the food, not so much the time.
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blu6385
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Re: what is a fair amount
so you would still charge hourly. see to me that's crazy if they are there all day 5 days a week I feel like it should be a flat rate at that point.
so for one kid at $12 an hour I am paying $780 a week! unless you meant $12 an hour for 2 kids but still that's a lot esp. off the books.
food I am not concerned about cause I would bring food or just buy/throw money in weekly for food.
ETA: yes I am dropping off their house and their own kids will be there. also it will most likely be just the one child.
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what is a fair amount
I would say 400-500/week
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blu6385
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Re: what is a fair amount
Posted by evrythng4areason
I would say 400-500/week
for both or one ?
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Re: what is a fair amount
I watch my friend's daughter twice a week for 5 hrs each day (she's 1.5 yrs old) and she pays me $12/hr. ($60/day) My DD is in school today but my almost 3 yr old DS is home when I watch her.
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Re: what is a fair amount
Posted by blu6385
Posted by evrythng4areason
I would say 400-500/week
for both or one ?
I'd expect to pay A LOT more than that for two kids, ALL day, five days a week.
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In my experience you will pay a lot more for a person vs. a camp or a daycare, etc.
I had a sitter who watched my DS 1-2 hours a day, 5 days a week, I paid her $100 a week or $20 a day. There had to be some incentive for her to want to do it. Meanwhile, he also went to aftercare and that was $205 a MONTH.
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Hofstra26
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Re: what is a fair amount
Posted by Straightarrow
In my experience you will pay a lot more for a person vs. a camp or a daycare, etc.
I had a sitter who watched my DS 1-2 hours a day, 5 days a week, I paid her $100 a week or $20 a day. There had to be some incentive for her to want to do it. Meanwhile, he also went to aftercare and that was $205 a MONTH.
F/T daycare all day, every day like she's looking for is expensive, especially with two kids. That will cost way more than an in home person. But that being said, don't expect an in home person to just watch your kid for pennies. No matter what, child care will cost you.
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Re: what is a fair amount
I paid a licensed in home day care 400 a week for one. It was 750 for two. I would expect to pay something similar to that.
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blu6385
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Re: what is a fair amount
Posted by Straightarrow
In my experience you will pay a lot more for a person vs. a camp or a daycare, etc.
I had a sitter who watched my DS 1-2 hours a day, 5 days a week, I paid her $100 a week or $20 a day. There had to be some incentive for her to want to do it. Meanwhile, he also went to aftercare and that was $205 a MONTH.
that's crazy camp is cheaper and to say that that's sad and daycare is cheaper.
these people getting paid off the books and I cant claim it so I am loosing out on my tax break. To have to pay someone that much money is insane to me, sorry. if it was on the books I would maybe consider paying that much but its doubtful.
I get if its not a full day to do hourly but IMO when its a full day it should not be hourly at all. home day cares are not hourly and this what this situation is basically expect its not a licensed off the book one. I am just really surprised people don't see it the way I do.
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blu6385
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Re: what is a fair amount
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by Straightarrow
In my experience you will pay a lot more for a person vs. a camp or a daycare, etc.
I had a sitter who watched my DS 1-2 hours a day, 5 days a week, I paid her $100 a week or $20 a day. There had to be some incentive for her to want to do it. Meanwhile, he also went to aftercare and that was $205 a MONTH.
F/T daycare all day, every day like she's looking for is expensive, especially with two kids. That will cost way more than an in home person. But that being said, don't expect an in home person to just watch your kid for pennies. No matter what, child care will cost you.
I pay now for 2 kids full time and its not nearly as much as people are saying I should pay hourly for someone.
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blu6385
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Re: what is a fair amount
Posted by LSP2005
I paid a licensed in home day care 400 a week for one. It was 750 for two. I would expect to pay something similar to that.
thank you for this and since this on the books I am assuming where the person has to pay taxes and probably insurance and you can claim I can maybe see though this is more money then what a daycare center would cost.
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Hofstra26
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Re: what is a fair amount
Posted by blu6385
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by Straightarrow
In my experience you will pay a lot more for a person vs. a camp or a daycare, etc.
I had a sitter who watched my DS 1-2 hours a day, 5 days a week, I paid her $100 a week or $20 a day. There had to be some incentive for her to want to do it. Meanwhile, he also went to aftercare and that was $205 a MONTH.
F/T daycare all day, every day like she's looking for is expensive, especially with two kids. That will cost way more than an in home person. But that being said, don't expect an in home person to just watch your kid for pennies. No matter what, child care will cost you.
I pay now for 2 kids full time and its not nearly as much as people are saying I should pay hourly for someone.
In a traditional day care center, 2 kids F/T every day HAS to be costing you at least $2K/month, likely more. Use what you'd pay a traditional day care as your starting point to figure out a fair amount to pay for an in home provider.
As for the tax break, that's obviously something you'd be giving up to have care for your children that is more individualized and personal. There are trade-offs to having both settings, you can't have it all. The savings of using an in home provider should make up for the tax break you lose. KWIM?
Honestly, if I were watching TWO kids in my home, 5 days a week, from 7:30-6:00pm I can't see doing that for anything less than $1500-1600/month.
ETA - I'm not talking about a licensed in-home day care. I've watched kids in my house over the years but I'm NOT a licensed day care. I am however, a certified PreK-6th grade teacher with lots of experience in day cares and schools so I expect to be paid better than a HS babysitter.
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blu6385
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Re: what is a fair amount
Posted by Hofstra26
In a traditional day care center, 2 kids F/T every day HAS to be costing you at least $2K/month, likely more. Use what you'd pay a traditional day care as your starting point to figure out a fair amount to pay for an in home provider.
As for the tax break, that's obviously something you'd be giving up to have care for your children that is more individualized and personal. There are trade-offs to having both settings, you can't have it all. The savings of using an in home provider should make up for the tax break you lose. KWIM?
Honestly, if I were watching TWO kids in my home, 5 days a week, from 7:30-6:00pm I can't see doing that for anything less than $1500-1600/month.
ETA - I'm not talking about a licensed in-home day care. I've watched kids in my house over the years but I'm NOT a licensed day care. I am however, a certified PreK-6th grade teacher with lots of experience in day cares and schools so I expect to be paid better than a HS babysitter.
I am paying more than 2K a month (I paid over 30K last year) but If I were to pay someone $12 that would be way more and crazy.
there is no trade off my kids are not the only ones there its not one on one. and its off the books do you realize how much more money you are getting extra simply for being off the books. to not have to pay taxes on what you are making and how much you are saving from that should be counted in to any scenario and this is how I look at it.
if you are at my house watching my kids only I would maybe consider paying more than what I pay now.
and you may not think the tax break is much but it def. helps and def. not worth paying someone off the books because they are watching my kid in their home rather than a licensed in home daycare or a center.
that's how I see it and again I cant believe how many people don't see it that way and would actually pay people that much money.
and to be clear I am strictly talking full time all day not someone who watches a kid a few hours everyday.
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Hofstra26
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Re: what is a fair amount
Posted by blu6385
Posted by Hofstra26
In a traditional day care center, 2 kids F/T every day HAS to be costing you at least $2K/month, likely more. Use what you'd pay a traditional day care as your starting point to figure out a fair amount to pay for an in home provider.
As for the tax break, that's obviously something you'd be giving up to have care for your children that is more individualized and personal. There are trade-offs to having both settings, you can't have it all. The savings of using an in home provider should make up for the tax break you lose. KWIM?
Honestly, if I were watching TWO kids in my home, 5 days a week, from 7:30-6:00pm I can't see doing that for anything less than $1500-1600/month.
ETA - I'm not talking about a licensed in-home day care. I've watched kids in my house over the years but I'm NOT a licensed day care. I am however, a certified PreK-6th grade teacher with lots of experience in day cares and schools so I expect to be paid better than a HS babysitter.
I am paying more than 2K a month (I paid over 30K last year) but If I were to pay someone $12 that would be way more and crazy.
there is no trade off my kids are not the only ones there its not one on one. and its off the books do you realize how much more money you are getting extra simply for being off the books. to not have to pay taxes on what you are making and how much you are saving from that should be counted in to any scenario and this is how I look at it.
if you are at my house watching my kids only I would maybe consider paying more than what I pay now.
and you may not think the tax break is much but it def. helps and def. not worth paying someone off the books because they are watching my kid in their home rather than a licensed in home daycare or a center.
that's how I see it and again I cant believe how many people don't see it that way and would actually pay people that much money.
and to be clear I am strictly talking full time all day not someone who watches a kid a few hours everyday.
I never said the tax break was not worth it, what I said was everything has a trade off. If you want an in home provider, that is NOT a licensed day care, she will be off the books and yes, you lose the tax break. But your kids are in a smaller setting with likely more flexibility. You have to consider those things.
I'm not sure why you're so agitated, I'm not disagreeing with you, I'm just pointing out that no matter which way you go childcare is costly. I've watched kids full time every day and I've watched kids part time so I know what I am talking about, I've been doing in home day care off and on for years.
I agree you for the amount of time you're talking about you should have a flat rate and not hourly. But a fair rate, it's a long day you're talking about.
ETA - I get the sense you want to pay pennies for someone to watch your kid in their home and I'm just telling you, it's not as cheap as you are hoping for it to be.
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Re: what is a fair amount
Posted by Hofstra26
I never said the tax break was not worth it, what I said was everything has a trade off. If you want an in home provider, that is NOT a licensed day care, she will be off the books and yes, you lose the tax break. But your kids are in a smaller setting with likely more flexibility. You have to consider those things.
I'm not sure why you're so agitated, I'm not disagreeing with you, I'm just pointing out that no matter which way you go childcare is costly. I've watched kids full time every day and I've watched kids part time so I know what I am talking about, I've been doing in home day care off and on for years.
I agree you for the amount of time you're talking about you should have a flat rate and not hourly. But a fair rate, it's a long day you're talking about.
ETA - I get the sense you want to pay pennies for someone to watch your kid in their home and I'm just telling you, it's not as cheap as you are hoping for it to be.
I am not agitated I just find it funny/crazy that anyone would expect to be paid off the books more than a licensed daycare and more than what some camps charge. I also can't believe there people out there willing to pay that much. And no i don't expect to pay Pennies at all but I def will not pay more than what I am paying now or what i would pay to send my kids to camp. If I am going to pay camp prices then I will just send them to camp.
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Hofstra26
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Re: what is a fair amount
Posted by blu6385
Posted by Hofstra26
I never said the tax break was not worth it, what I said was everything has a trade off. If you want an in home provider, that is NOT a licensed day care, she will be off the books and yes, you lose the tax break. But your kids are in a smaller setting with likely more flexibility. You have to consider those things.
I'm not sure why you're so agitated, I'm not disagreeing with you, I'm just pointing out that no matter which way you go childcare is costly. I've watched kids full time every day and I've watched kids part time so I know what I am talking about, I've been doing in home day care off and on for years.
I agree you for the amount of time you're talking about you should have a flat rate and not hourly. But a fair rate, it's a long day you're talking about.
ETA - I get the sense you want to pay pennies for someone to watch your kid in their home and I'm just telling you, it's not as cheap as you are hoping for it to be.
I am not agitated I just find it funny/crazy that anyone would expect to be paid off the books more than a licensed daycare and more than what some camps charge. I also can't believe there people out there willing to pay that much. And no i don't expect to pay Pennies at all but I def will not pay more than what I am paying now or what i would pay to send my kids to camp. If I am going to pay camp prices then I will just send them to camp.
I totally get what you're saying. 
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Re: what is a fair amount
Since she has 2 kids of her own to watch, I'd say $250-$300 MAX, a week. If you pay more than that, you may as well pay a center/camp to watch your DC.
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what is a fair amount
I pay $530/wk for 2 kids at a licensed daycare center so I can't imagine paying higher for somebody at their own house with 3 kids of their own. What if she gets sick? Is there someone to cover for her? What about if her kids get sick? Would you feel comfortable sending your kids there? Is she CPR certified? These are things you don't need to worry about at a daycare, and there's no way I would choose this in home setting unless it's significantly cheaper, like $400 max for 2 kids.
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Re: what is a fair amount
When I worked as a Nanny back in 2008, I got $420/week off the books. There were 3 kids, one in Kindergarten and two under 3. I worked from 645am-4pm, M-F. School schedule. I didn't get paid for holidays or sick days. I was definitely underpaid at that point. I would say $300/week for one kid now for an in home babysitter.. It isn't a licensed childcare place. Supply your own food/drinks..
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These prices are INSANE. We are talking about a SAHM watching another child in addition to her own, so it's not one on one care like a nanny or a babysitter that comes to your house.
For an in home LICENSED family daycare, they charge $45-$50 a day for a FULL day. I wouldn't pay more than that for a SAHM to watch my 5 year old.
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LSP2005
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Re: what is a fair amount
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I paid a licensed in home day care 400 a week for one. It was 750 for two. I would expect to pay something similar to that.
thank you for this and since this on the books I am assuming where the person has to pay taxes and probably insurance and you can claim I can maybe see though this is more money then what a daycare center would cost.
Yes there was coverage if she got sick. It was actually similarly priced to a day care close by. I personally would want whomever watched my kids to have training in cpr. There was a maximum of five kids. She lived across the street from me. It was the absolute best situation for us at the time.
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Re: what is a fair amount
Posted by LSP2005
I paid a licensed in home day care 400 a week for one. It was 750 for two. I would expect to pay something similar to that.
I'd say around this. It's a lot of hours each week.
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blu6385
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Re: what is a fair amount
I am very happy to see I am not the only one who thinks some of these numbers thrown out were insane/crazy/ridiculous  I was starting to think maybe I was being delusional to think I should not being paying these prices for off the book SAHM mom who is watching my kids with 3 of her own kids. where yes if she gets sick or her kids get sick I will have to find other arrangements or work from home.
just so all is aware I this is a very good friend of mine and she offered to watch my 5 yo and if I wanted my 2 yo for the summer. obviously I trust her. I will most likely keep my 2yo where he is now but my 5yo I didn't want to send to camp esp. because of the money. so while she is helping me out I know she would love the extra cash she will get weekly. I told her to give me number but I know she wants me to throw one out and I really don't know what's fair that's why I asked. ... also not 100% I am going to do it because I am not keen on the idea of mixing money and friends
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