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mrslobo2007
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Re: WARNING...Highly upsetting news article in post
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Now i think if you suffer from a normal PPD that is normal and can be managed but if you have pre-existing physiological disorders you shouldn't be keeping any child.
I will not read this article, but have to say... Wow to this....
I guess I should have my daughter taken away from me then....
Do you have any understanding at all of PPD? What is "Normal" PPD?
she said if you had *pre existing* problems..* not PPD.
I agree with nifheim.
Yes, I read what she said, and I know exactly what she said...so with my *pre-existing* "issues" according to nifheim, I should not be allowed to have children or have my child taken away from me.
I just saw on CNN that the woman is schizophrenic...so yes, perhaps if one is a schizophrenic, maybe she SHOULDN'T have her kids with her
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Re: WARNING...Highly upsetting news article in post
Posted by MrsRbk
Yes, I know exactly what she said
what I want to say is this...if my pre-existing mental issues (anxiety, ocd etc) were exacerbated by PPD, you bet your asss I would want and expect my husband, my family, my doctors to keep my child as safe as possible, even if that means keeping me away from him/her for a short while.
it's not to say that people with prior conditions cannot go on to become wonderful parents, it's that when COUPLED with PPD, it can be exceedingly dangerous for the child and the parent.
my child's safety comes above and beyond me need to be its mother.
not everyone have a pyschotic break. of course not.
this woman's pre existing condition made her more likely to have one. and THAT is what should have been taken into consideration and watched.
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Re: WARNING...Highly upsetting news article in post
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Posted by MrsRbk
Yes, I know exactly what she said
what I want to say is this...if my pre-existing mental issues (anxiety, ocd etc) were exacerbated by PPD, you bet your asss I would want and expect my husband, my family, my doctors to keep my child as safe as possible, even if that means keeping me away from him/her for a short while.
it's not to say that people with prior conditions cannot go on to become wonderful parents, it's that when COUPLED with PPD, it can be exceedingly dangerous for the child and the parent.
my child's safety comes above and beyond me need to be its mother.
not everyone have a pyschotic break. of course not.
this woman's pre existing condition made her more likely to have one. and THAT is what should have been taken into consideration and watched.
ITA with you. I beleive in ALOT of cases people don't take PPD seriously enough. It's a serious disease, especially if someone has a history of any form of depression/anxiety, etc. Many times the mother does not recognize PPD, or goes into denial about it.
Again, I didn't read the article, nor will I, so I can't comment on this woman or her situation, only from what *I* know.
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Re: WARNING...Highly upsetting news article in post
Posted by MrsRbk
Posted by HeathKernandez
Posted by MrsRbk
Posted by Nifheim
Now i think if you suffer from a normal PPD that is normal and can be managed but if you have pre-existing physiological disorders you shouldn't be keeping any child.
I will not read this article, but have to say... Wow to this....
I guess I should have my daughter taken away from me then....
Do you have any understanding at all of PPD? What is "Normal" PPD?
she said if you had *pre existing* problems..* not PPD.
I agree with nifheim.
Yes, I read what she said, and I know exactly what she said...so with my *pre-existing* "issues" according to nifheim, I should not be allowed to have children or have my child taken away from me.
obviously you don't because you've misconstrued it and took offense as if she were talking about you...
I personally feel if a person is psychotic, they shouldn't be having children and if they DO... be monitored very carefully.
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Re: WARNING...Highly upsetting news article in post
Posted by klingklang77
Oh dear. I have just read the article.
I retract what I posted before about not knowing the circumstances. This is serial killer behaviour. This is far different from the woman who drowned her children. 
I disagree. This is exactly the same. Andrea Yates chased her children down then one by one she drowned them. That death is just as horrific, IMO.
My thoughts have been with that baby and his family all day- as well as the poor first responders who will likely carry what they saw forever.
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Re: WARNING...Highly upsetting news article in post
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Re: WARNING...Highly upsetting news article in post
i think we all agree this woman is a nut job far more then your average person with light depression.
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Re: WARNING...Highly upsetting news article in post
SHe was diagnosed with schizophrenia and recently diagnosed with Postpartum Psychosis.
FYI:
The article is descriptive and there is a family photo.
So Here is the part about what the DR. said
"Dr. Lucy Puryear, a Houston psychiatrist and author, said mothers who experience postpartum psychosis often have a history of other mental disorders, but in some cases childbirth triggers the psychosis.
“It's usually really severe,” Puryear said.
Puryear testified as an expert witness in the case of Andrea Yates, who drowned her five children in Houston in 2001.
While postpartum depression affects one in 10 mothers, Puryear said, the more severe postpartum psychosis — which includes hallucinations — affects one in 1,000.
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San Antonio Article
ETA: The father was also diagnosed as a schizophrenic. Not that he had anything to do with her actions.
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Re: WARNING...Highly upsetting news article in post
Posted by HeathKernandez
Posted by MrsRbk
Posted by HeathKernandez
Posted by MrsRbk
Posted by Nifheim
Now i think if you suffer from a normal PPD that is normal and can be managed but if you have pre-existing physiological disorders you shouldn't be keeping any child.
I will not read this article, but have to say... Wow to this....
I guess I should have my daughter taken away from me then....
Do you have any understanding at all of PPD? What is "Normal" PPD?
she said if you had *pre existing* problems..* not PPD.
I agree with nifheim.
Yes, I read what she said, and I know exactly what she said...so with my *pre-existing* "issues" according to nifheim, I should not be allowed to have children or have my child taken away from me.
obviously you don't because you've misconstrued it and took offense as if she were talking about you...
I personally feel if a person is psychotic, they shouldn't be having children and if they DO... be monitored very carefully.
I didn't misconstrue what she said as talking about me..... I know EXACTLY what she meant. I'm not an idiot. I'm not going to get into my life history on a public message board. Did she touch on a nerve with me... yes... but I completely understand that she was not talking about ME.
She said this:
"Now i think if you suffer from a normal PPD that is normal and can be managed but if you have pre-existing physiological disorders you shouldn't be keeping any child"
I understand 100% she said PRE-EXISTING, I also understand that she said "if you have a pre-existing physiological disorder you shouldn't be keeping any child" I understand the you was not directed at me, but the in the general sense of "you"
What *I* am trying to convey is that there is no "normal" and "abnormal" form of PPD.
I never disagreed that someone who is pshychotic should be monitored and watched if they have children. I agree with that. Nifheim is saying a person with a pre-existing condition should not be able to keep any child.
Again.. I did not read the article, nor will I. I do agree if this woman had a prior history of violent behavior due to her mental state that she should have been monitored as closely as possible.
As I stated in a previous post, PPD or any FORM of PPD IMO is not taken seriously enough and it should be.
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Re: WARNING...Highly upsetting news article in post
Posted by twiceasnice
SHe was diagnosed with schizophrenia and recently diagnosed with Postpartum Psychosis.
FYI:
The article is descriptive and there is a family photo.
So Here is the part about what the DR. said
"Dr. Lucy Puryear, a Houston psychiatrist and author, said mothers who experience postpartum psychosis often have a history of other mental disorders, but in some cases childbirth triggers the psychosis.
“It's usually really severe,” Puryear said.
Puryear testified as an expert witness in the case of Andrea Yates, who drowned her five children in Houston in 2001.
While postpartum depression affects one in 10 mothers, Puryear said, the more severe postpartum psychosis — which includes hallucinations — affects one in 1,000.
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San Antonio Article
ETA: The father was also diagnosed as a schizophrenic. Not that he had anything to do with her actions.
YES to all of this.
and this part is what is the most tragic
The same day, she checked herself into a hospital after hearing voices, but she soon checked herself out, according to a source familiar with the investigation but unauthorized to speak to the media. She then took the baby to stay at her mother's home
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twiceasnice
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Re: WARNING...Highly upsetting news article in post
Posted by Ophelia
Posted by twiceasnice
SHe was diagnosed with schizophrenia and recently diagnosed with Postpartum Psychosis.
FYI:
The article is descriptive and there is a family photo.
So Here is the part about what the DR. said
"Dr. Lucy Puryear, a Houston psychiatrist and author, said mothers who experience postpartum psychosis often have a history of other mental disorders, but in some cases childbirth triggers the psychosis.
“It's usually really severe,” Puryear said.
Puryear testified as an expert witness in the case of Andrea Yates, who drowned her five children in Houston in 2001.
While postpartum depression affects one in 10 mothers, Puryear said, the more severe postpartum psychosis — which includes hallucinations — affects one in 1,000.
"
San Antonio Article
ETA: The father was also diagnosed as a schizophrenic. Not that he had anything to do with her actions.
YES to all of this.
and this part is what is the most tragic
The same day, she checked herself into a hospital after hearing voices, but she soon checked herself out, according to a source familiar with the investigation but unauthorized to speak to the media. She then took the baby to stay at her mother's home
ITA. I was re-reading the article and that part got to me. To many people knew of her condition. Everyone who knew her knew of her condition and no one did anything to protect the baby.
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Re: WARNING...Highly upsetting news article in post
If my heart wasn't hurting enough from reading the article, seeing the pictures of this innocent, beautiful angel just ripped me open. My God, how can a human being inflict such pain on such an innocent? 
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Diane
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mia818
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Re: WARNING...Highly upsetting news article in post
that has to be one of the most disgusting things i have ever read. that poor baby
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HeathKernandez
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Re: WARNING...Highly upsetting news article in post
Posted by Superkat
If my heart wasn't hurting enough from reading the article, seeing the pictures of this innocent, beautiful angel just ripped me open. My God, how can a human being inflict such pain on such an innocent?
a very sick person.
I am not condoning this person's behavior, NOT AT ALL.... it is a TERRIBLE thing that people don't recognize people who are mentally ill the way they do people who are physically ill. This person was pretty much a prisoner of her own psychosis, and it is a DEVASTATING thing..
Schizophrenia has a pervasive and profound impact socially & personally... It is a DEVASTATING sickness. Its what they call a 'no casserole' sickness... (when someone is sick, people bring over food etc. when someone is sick with schizophrenia, people shun away and hide them...)
I feel sorry for this woman. She obviously didn't have any type of support group or medical care.
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mrslobo2007
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Re: WARNING...Highly upsetting news article in post
Posted by HeathKernandez
Posted by Superkat
If my heart wasn't hurting enough from reading the article, seeing the pictures of this innocent, beautiful angel just ripped me open. My God, how can a human being inflict such pain on such an innocent?
a very sick person.
I am not condoning this person's behavior, NOT AT ALL...but call me a sucker for the mentally ill... it is a TERRIBLE thing that people don't recognize people who are mentally ill the way they do people who are physically ill. This person was pretty much a prisoner of her own psychosis, and it is a DEVASTATING thing..
I feel sorry for this woman. She obviously didn't have any type of support group or medical care.
ITA...I know a teenage girl who is schizophrenic, and see her getting worse and worse by the day. She has NO control over her thoughts, and is tortured by them. No excuse for whatever this woman did (didnt read the article), not at all. But no person in their right mind would do this.
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Re: WARNING...Highly upsetting news article in post
Posted by mrslobo2007
Posted by HeathKernandez
Posted by Superkat
If my heart wasn't hurting enough from reading the article, seeing the pictures of this innocent, beautiful angel just ripped me open. My God, how can a human being inflict such pain on such an innocent?
a very sick person.
I am not condoning this person's behavior, NOT AT ALL...but call me a sucker for the mentally ill... it is a TERRIBLE thing that people don't recognize people who are mentally ill the way they do people who are physically ill. This person was pretty much a prisoner of her own psychosis, and it is a DEVASTATING thing..
I feel sorry for this woman. She obviously didn't have any type of support group or medical care.
ITA...I know a teenage girl who is schizophrenic, and see her getting worse and worse by the day. She has NO control over her thoughts, and is tortured by them. No excuse for whatever this woman did (didnt read the article), not at all. But no person in their right mind would do this.
the reason why its so devastating is because most probably this woman had NO CLUE what she was doing, as gruesome as the act may have been. It is hard to empathize because in the end, she killed an innocent child... You wouldn't pass blame on someone who suffered a heart attack and caused a horrific car accident that left someone dead, it's *kind of* the same thing if you think about it (Yes- I know-- that is a STRETCH... I don't except anyone to understand)
She was SICK. It should have been prevented.... My heart goes out to that family.
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Re: WARNING...Highly upsetting news article in post
Completely 100% agree with this. That woman obviously has SEVERE mental illness and should not have been left alone with that baby. I am so sorry I read this article.
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Re: WARNING...Highly upsetting news article in post
seriously just givve her the needle i dont care if she is psychiatric or not...
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Re: WARNING...Highly upsetting news article in post
Posted by Ambersmom
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i didn't read the article but based on the title of the link i can pretty much surmise what the article is about.
euthanasia??? are you honestly suggesting that this woman should be granted a "beautiful" (Eu) "death" (thanatos)?
As much as I would like to see this psycho suffer for what she did to that little boy, the end result will never be achieved. She'll never grasp the magnitude of what she's done. Needle in the arm will take care of it. Over and out..
I think what skew is saying is that "euthanasia"-though the end result is death is usually done in a merciful way ie. drugs that make you fall asleep. I think what you were trying to say is she should be put to death and not necessarily in a kind way but that was the wrong word to use
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Re: WARNING...Highly upsetting news article in post
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Posted by Ambersmom
Posted by skew
i didn't read the article but based on the title of the link i can pretty much surmise what the article is about.
euthanasia??? are you honestly suggesting that this woman should be granted a "beautiful" (Eu) "death" (thanatos)?
As much as I would like to see this psycho suffer for what she did to that little boy, the end result will never be achieved. She'll never grasp the magnitude of what she's done. Needle in the arm will take care of it. Over and out..
I think what skew is saying is that "euthanasia"-though the end result is death is usually done in a merciful way ie. drugs that make you fall asleep. I think what you were trying to say is she should be put to death and not necessarily in a kind way but that was the wrong word to use
I will agree that there is, IMO, a big difference between euthanasia and the death penalty. To me, euthanasia is what someone would get if they were near the end, suffering from something so painful and debilitating, that their last days were just full of suffereing and pain. It's similar to putting an old dog to sleep. It's a humane way to give someone peace.
This woman does not deserve THAT. She is not riddled with cancer eating away at her body. She is not slipping in and out of a coma. She is not on a breathing and feeding tube after being in a vegetative state for 8 years. She is not past the point of morphine not working. She is a murderer. She does not deserve the mercy that euthanasia gives. Don't get me wrong, she is suffering in her OWN way, but not the way someone in hospice is suffering. Just my thought.
But I agree that the end should be death. Just not THAT journey of getting there. She's sick. She is not going to recover. Not after this. And spending the rest of her life in an institution will just be a reminder to her family that she is alive and that baby is not.
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Re: WARNING...Highly upsetting news article in post
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Posted by twiceasnice
SHe was diagnosed with schizophrenia and recently diagnosed with Postpartum Psychosis.
FYI:
The article is descriptive and there is a family photo.
So Here is the part about what the DR. said
"Dr. Lucy Puryear, a Houston psychiatrist and author, said mothers who experience postpartum psychosis often have a history of other mental disorders, but in some cases childbirth triggers the psychosis.
“It's usually really severe,” Puryear said.
Puryear testified as an expert witness in the case of Andrea Yates, who drowned her five children in Houston in 2001.
While postpartum depression affects one in 10 mothers, Puryear said, the more severe postpartum psychosis — which includes hallucinations — affects one in 1,000.
"
San Antonio Article
ETA: The father was also diagnosed as a schizophrenic. Not that he had anything to do with her actions.
YES to all of this.
and this part is what is the most tragic
The same day, she checked herself into a hospital after hearing voices, but she soon checked herself out, according to a source familiar with the investigation but unauthorized to speak to the media. She then took the baby to stay at her mother's home
That is what is really bothering me. Why did that hospital not call her family or CPS and tell them to watch her? Why didn't they just KNOW to watch her after she checked into a hospital for hearing voices???
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Re: WARNING...Highly upsetting news article in post
Posted by JennyPenny
That is what is really bothering me. Why did that hospital not call her family or CPS and tell them to watch her? Why didn't they just KNOW to watch her after she checked into a hospital for hearing voices???
this is why I cannot condone putting this woman to death for this.
if she is guilty of capital murder, the staff at the hospital, her husband, her family...everyone that knew of her condition and did nothing or next to nothing to "help" her or insure the safety of her child should also be hauled into the court and taken to task.
their hands are NOT clean of this. AT ALL.
for that little boy.  
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Re: WARNING...Highly upsetting news article in post
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Posted by JennyPenny
That is what is really bothering me. Why did that hospital not call her family or CPS and tell them to watch her? Why didn't they just KNOW to watch her after she checked into a hospital for hearing voices???
this is why I cannot condone putting this woman to death for this.
if she is guilty of capital murder, the staff at the hospital, her husband, her family...everyone that knew of her condition and did nothing or next to nothing to "help" her or insure the safety of her child should also be hauled into the court and taken to task.
their hands are NOT clean of this. AT ALL.
for that little boy.
me neither, and I totally agree with you.
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OMG - that is horrifying.
for the innocent little baby boy
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