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lululu
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Spinoff to Opinions
I think that Red may have already brought this up in a previous post - but I am curious what you all think.
With the prices of everything on LI right now - and the gentrification (sp?) of many of the traditionally not-so-nice towns - Do you think that the poor will be priced out of living on LI and all the "bad" neighborhoods will eventually become good areas to live?
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Re: Spinoff to Opinions
I think the middle class is slowly being squished out of LI - for various reasons. I think there are a lot of middle class who aren't content with what they can get for their hard earned money and would rather dump it somewhere else - where they can get bigger and more for their money.
I really hope this happens:
Posted by lululu
all the "bad" neighborhoods will eventually become good areas to live?
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| Posted 8/4/06 1:55 PM |
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kerrycec03
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Re: Spinoff to Opinions
honestly, there is still a lot of middle class areas on LI
These are all towns with relatively good schools, middle class areas with homes lower than $350K. I've done my research:
Levittown
Lynbrook
Lindenhurst
Centerreach
Ronkonkoma
Babylon
Bellmore
Farmingdale
Nesconset
Islip
Holtsville
Bohemia
Rocky Point
Floral Park
Bayside
Bellrose
some parts of Merrick
I think so of us LI'er definitition of middle class is different. I see middle class as a starter community, good schools, blue collar, 3 bed cape areas
Message edited 8/4/2006 2:01:47 PM.
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Re: Spinoff to Opinions
Posted by kerrycec03
I think so of us LI'er definitition of middle class is different. I see middle class as a starter community, good schools, blue collar, 3 bed cape areas
Totally agree with you. I think that is the definition of middle class...but I think something has changed along the way where this sense of entitlement has creeped in and suddenly being "that kind of" middle class is just not good enough.
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| Posted 8/4/06 2:03 PM |
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Redhead
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Re: Spinoff to Opinions
Posted by kerrycec03
honestly, there is still a lot of middle class areas on LI
These are all towns with relatively good schools, middle class areas with homes lower than $350K. I've done my research:
Levittown
Lynbrook
Lindenhurst
Centerreach
Ronkonkoma
Babylon
Bellmore
Farmingdale
Nesconset
Islip
Holtsville
Bohemia
Rocky Point
Floral Park
Bayside
Bellrose
some parts of Merrick
I think so of us LI'er definitition of middle class is different. I see middle class as a starter community, good schools, blue collar, 3 bed cape areas
well i have done my research as well and have looked in about half of the towns you posted...
HONESTLY IMO...the houses under 350 are CRAP...
They need serious help or have things that are just missing that i know i would want in a home (2 bath and/or basement)
ETA..i am sure they will all be eaten up...And turned over and consider them great investments...BUt not something i want to do at this point.
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Redhead
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Re: Spinoff to Opinions
Posted by lululu
I think that Red may have already brought this up in a previous post - but I am curious what you all think.
With the prices of everything on LI right now - and the gentrification (sp?) of many of the traditionally not-so-nice towns - Do you think that the poor will be priced out of living on LI and all the "bad" neighborhoods will eventually become good areas to live?
Yea i do think that in the next 10-15 years there will be very few "bad areas" of LI...
Some of the truly bad ones i think might remain but that will be scarce imo.
I do think that the poor people will have had to be in the houses pretty much by now..In the years to come they will not be able to afford to buy on LI but merely live....and with taxes on the rise...well even that will be hard..
Very few older people will be here to...again with the taxes they way they are...most people after they retire will be forced out of LI as well...
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| Posted 8/4/06 2:21 PM |
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Re: Spinoff to Opinions
Just a question, how do you define middle class? What kind of salary range would you say a middle class family is in?
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| Posted 8/4/06 2:29 PM |
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Re: Spinoff to Opinions
Posted by kerrycec03
honestly, there is still a lot of middle class areas on LI
These are all towns with relatively good schools, middle class areas with homes lower than $350K. I've done my research:
Levittown
Lynbrook
Lindenhurst
Centerreach
Ronkonkoma
Babylon
Bellmore
Farmingdale
Nesconset
Islip
Holtsville
Bohemia
Rocky Point
Floral Park
Bayside
Bellrose
some parts of Merrick
I think so of us LI'er definitition of middle class is different. I see middle class as a starter community, good schools, blue collar, 3 bed cape areas
I live in farmingdale, and anything under $350 is going to be  there is one house for $330 - but is on Route 109!
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Re: Spinoff to Opinions
Posted by greeneyes361708
Just a question, how do you define middle class? What kind of salary range would you say a middle class family is in?
I think it's tough using the salary range to define middle class. According to what I've read, our salary range puts us in the upper middle/upper class and I most certainly wouldn't consider myself upper class. There have to be other factors in that classification - which I think is totally bogus btw, imo - to determine what is or isn't middle class. Debt, etc.
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Re: Spinoff to Opinions
honestly, if that does happen, it's a looooooooooong way off. IMO it takes a lot longer to rebuild a bad area than for a good one to turn bad.
JMO
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Re: Spinoff to Opinions
Posted by greeneyes361708
Just a question, how do you define middle class? What kind of salary range would you say a middle class family is in?
a middle class salary on LI is upper middle class in most other areas of the country.
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Re: Spinoff to Opinions
it also depends on how you define a bad area....
Unfortunately some peolpe think that just because the sd isnt 100% upper middle class white kids that its a bad area....(I am definitely not one of them, but unfortunately it happens)
I have heard bad things about Farmingdale SD - don't ask me why, we had great sports, music, AP and CLEP programs....but its more diverse than the other SD's around it so people think its bad!
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| Posted 8/4/06 2:44 PM |
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Redhead
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Re: Spinoff to Opinions
Posted by SweetestOfPeas
honestly, if that does happen, it's a looooooooooong way off. IMO it takes a lot longer to rebuild a bad area than for a good one to turn bad.
JMO
I am going to have to say i disagree...
There are plenty of areas that are in fact quickly turning over...
Areas that were considered "undesireable" that now all you see is young couples moving in and renovating their houses...by which is definitely having an impact on the area
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Re: Spinoff to Opinions
Posted by SweetestOfPeas
Posted by greeneyes361708
Just a question, how do you define middle class? What kind of salary range would you say a middle class family is in?
a middle class salary on LI is upper middle class in most other areas of the country.
That I could agree with. $50-100k (middle class salary) on LI doesn't get you as far as it would in other more rural areas.
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| Posted 8/4/06 2:47 PM |
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Re: Spinoff to Opinions
Posted by Meaghan729
it also depends on how you define a bad area....
IMO there is a difference between a BAD area and an undesireable area
there are and were PLENTY of them...
of course the undesireable areas are turning over quicker...
but i have to believe that once the undesireable areas are all eaten up....the bad areas will in fact follow in suit
i have no problems putting it out there...areas like Gordon Heights, Wyndanch and CI
well not sure about those areas...
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| Posted 8/4/06 2:48 PM |
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Re: Spinoff to Opinions
Posted by Redhead
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it also depends on how you define a bad area....
IMO there is a difference between a BAD area and an undesireable area
Oh I agree. but again im sure one persons definition of undesireable is different than someone elses.
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Re: Spinoff to Opinions
Posted by Redhead
IMO there is a difference between a BAD area and an undesireable area
there are and were PLENTY of them...
of course the undesireable areas are turning over quicker...
but i have to believe that once the undesireable areas are all eaten up....the bad areas will in fact follow in suit
i have no problems putting it out there...areas like Gordon Heights, Wyndanch and CI
well not sure about those areas...
I agree with you 100% - there is a big difference between bad and undesireable...and you're seeing a quicker change in what was deemed undesireable (which is just a matter of opinion).
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Redhead
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Re: Spinoff to Opinions
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it also depends on how you define a bad area....
IMO there is a difference between a BAD area and an undesireable area
Oh I agree. but again im sure one persons definition of undesireable is different than someone elses.
very true
but i guess i definitely see areas that i would have onced considered undesireable....flip.
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SweetestOfPeas
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Re: Spinoff to Opinions
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honestly, if that does happen, it's a looooooooooong way off. IMO it takes a lot longer to rebuild a bad area than for a good one to turn bad.
JMO
I am going to have to say i disagree...
There are plenty of areas that are in fact quickly turning over...
Areas that were considered "undesireable" that now all you see is young couples moving in and renovating their houses...by which is definitely having an impact on the area
I don't disagree with many young couples moving into these areas.. but what about the SD. IMO, the SD tends to dictate the area.
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Re: Spinoff to Opinions
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honestly, if that does happen, it's a looooooooooong way off. IMO it takes a lot longer to rebuild a bad area than for a good one to turn bad.
JMO
I am going to have to say i disagree...
There are plenty of areas that are in fact quickly turning over...
Areas that were considered "undesireable" that now all you see is young couples moving in and renovating their houses...by which is definitely having an impact on the area
I don't disagree with many young couples moving into these areas.. but what about the SD. IMO, the SD tends to dictate the area.
but with the young couples comming into the area and their kids going into the schools....the schools will be forced if not demanded to improve...
usually SD are considered bad because of the crime/violence/dropout rates..
and with the turning over of the areas...well IMO the area kinda dictates the SD not the other way around
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Re: Spinoff to Opinions
Posted by SweetestOfPeas
I don't disagree with many young couples moving into these areas.. but what about the SD. IMO, the SD tends to dictate the area.
SD doesn't dictate for everyone (I know, it was your opinion). But you will find areas that have mixed opinions on the SD, still have a large number of young people moving in. Huntington/Huntington Station, for example. The town could be considered desireable on different levels...but while the SD isn't the best, it is far from the worst.
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Re: Spinoff to Opinions
we are willing to put in the $$$ and do work to a house just to be in a good area. Luckily hubby is a carpenter, so it helps out. Our budget for a house is $325K, so we know work is going to be needed.
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Posted by Redhead
but with the young couples comming into the area and their kids going into the schools....the schools will be forced if not demanded to improve...
usually SD are considered bad because of the crime/violence/dropout rates..
and with the turning over of the areas...well IMO the area kinda dictates the SD not the other way around
Again, totally agree!
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Re: Spinoff to Opinions
Posted by kerrycec03
we are willing to put in the $$$ and do work to a house just to be in a good area. Luckily hubby is a carpenter, so it helps out. Our budget for a house is $325K, so we know work is going to be needed.
see and just like undesireable
good areas....it is all a matter of opinion..
i guess
BUT for me...there is no denying the BAD areas...
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Re: Spinoff to Opinions
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Posted by SweetestOfPeas
honestly, if that does happen, it's a looooooooooong way off. IMO it takes a lot longer to rebuild a bad area than for a good one to turn bad.
JMO
I am going to have to say i disagree...
There are plenty of areas that are in fact quickly turning over...
Areas that were considered "undesireable" that now all you see is young couples moving in and renovating their houses...by which is definitely having an impact on the area
I don't disagree with many young couples moving into these areas.. but what about the SD. IMO, the SD tends to dictate the area.
but with the young couples comming into the area and their kids going into the schools....the schools will be forced if not demanded to improve...
usually SD are considered bad because of the crime/violence/dropout rates..
and with the turning over of the areas...well IMO the area kinda dictates the SD not the other way around
changes in the SD will not happen so fast. JMO
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