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Redhead
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Re: Pet Breeding Q
what do you mean recognized in the states?
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Jesaroo
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Re: Pet Breeding Q
Posted by girlygrl33
Posted by Lolita4Life
i dont really see the POINT why people would want to spend $1000 for a mix?!?!?!
Welp 1 of my dogs ( the other is a boxer) she cost us over 1k and she is NOT considered in the American Kennel Association as a pure bread , she is an American Bulldog, she is recognized in the Shutzand (sp) association and is a champion breed too. Her mix is Pit bull, bull dog, boxer and staffordshire (sp) terrier. Her breed is trying its hardest to be reconginzed in the states. I love my abbey girl!
well, i consider an American Bulldog to be a breed.....
i mean more like these 'puggles' and stuff.... they will never be AKC certified! yet ppl buy them for $1000...... its a pet, not a show dog. only show dogs should really be that expensive.
like, your dog you said is a Champion irght? or Champoin sired? that is major! She CAN be shown.. just not in AKC events, but she is still really a breed. (IMO at least)
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Jesaroo
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Re: Pet Breeding Q
Posted by Redhead
what do you mean recognized in the states?
some breeds are recognized in other countries before America.
not in the AKC.............
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Redhead
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Re: Pet Breeding Q
Posted by Lolita4Life
Posted by Redhead
what do you mean recognized in the states?
some breeds are recognized in other countries before America.
not in the AKC.............
yes i understand
But does having it "recognized" in the states meanign AKC recognition?
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Jesaroo
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Re: Pet Breeding Q
Also, i think that when it comes to buying a purebred the price varies on the breed... and the quality of the dog.
Pet quality should NEVER EVER be more than $600....... while Show quality can go up to about $3000.
But these ppl that buy these desinger mutts dont really know or care... and tehy shell out like $1600 for a Yorkiepoo or Labradoodle or something like that.
when the reason why purebreds are that expensive in the first place is becuase they are mwent to show and carry on their lines.
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Jesaroo
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Re: Pet Breeding Q
Posted by Redhead
Posted by Lolita4Life
Posted by Redhead
what do you mean recognized in the states?
some breeds are recognized in other countries before America.
not in the AKC.............
yes i understand
But does having it "recognized" in the states meanign AKC recognition?
oh i am sorry, yeah
eta: oddly enough, Chinese Cresteds are an ancient breed but werent allowed fully to compete and be involved in AKC events til 1990!
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reggie
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Re: Pet Breeding Q
Many of these people are backyard breeders. They don' t do their research. IMO adopting a dog or a cat from a shelter is the best option. SO many pets are destroyed because of the pet overpopulation.
Unless you know a reputable breeder, don't purchase your pet from a byb or a petstore.
Adopt, rescue save a life!!!
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Redhead
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Re: Pet Breeding Q
What does a Labradoodle look like and WHY would you ever mix those two breeds
It amazes me how people come up with these mixes
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Jesaroo
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i also think that alot of the ppl who buy the designer dogs buy them b/c they are sooo cute.
i mean, its true, they are cute... as puppies... but once they grow up i think they end up looking weird. lol
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Redhead
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Re: Pet Breeding Q
Posted by regi
Many of these people are backyard breeders. They don' t do their research. IMO adopting a dog or a cat from a shelter is the best option. SO many pets are destroyed because of the pet overpopulation.
Unless you know a reputable breeder, don't purchase your pet from a byb or a petstore.
Adopt, rescue save a life!!!
how do you know the difference between a byb and a reputable one?
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MommyofG
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Re: Pet Breeding Q
Posted by Lolita4Life
Posted by girlygrl33
Posted by Lolita4Life
i dont really see the POINT why people would want to spend $1000 for a mix?!?!?!
Welp 1 of my dogs ( the other is a boxer) she cost us over 1k and she is NOT considered in the American Kennel Association as a pure bread , she is an American Bulldog, she is recognized in the Shutzand (sp) association and is a champion breed too. Her mix is Pit bull, bull dog, boxer and staffordshire (sp) terrier. Her breed is trying its hardest to be reconginzed in the states. I love my abbey girl!
well, i consider an American Bulldog to be a breed.....
i mean more like these 'puggles' and stuff.... they will never be AKC certified! yet ppl buy them for $1000...... its a pet, not a show dog. only show dogs should really be that expensive.
like, your dog you said is a Champion irght? or Champoin sired? that is major! She CAN be shown.. just not in AKC events, but she is still really a breed. (IMO at least)
thats true, yes she her parents are champion breeds, but the AKC doesnt recognize them as pure breeds,  they are a german breed, we taught abbey german commands as well as english just to keep her still within her breed but we would never show her, we took her to training as a pup and those people made us sick- those dogs were not pets they were robots. we decided we want a pet not a champion doggie.
but i see what you mean about those wierd mixes that cant be shown at all- thats wacky- I would def NOT purchase a dog like that, I feel bad cause its not their fault but if no one buys the breeders wont sell anymore. I look at abbey and sometimes I laugh cause she has some big arse hips, and these short legs!!!she is tall though just as tall as my boxer but her hips are just huge, LOL.
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Redhead
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Re: Pet Breeding Q
I thought that AKC recognized breeds are all pure? Meaning no mixing
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Jesaroo
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Re: Pet Breeding Q
"Labradoodle"
they just look like mutts to me.
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Re: Pet Breeding Q
i'm really not a dog person, but i can see where it goes over board with the designer dogs. there are some that go together, my fh's dog is a lag/chow mix and she's soooo freaking cute.
i agree that people are trying to bulid a dog in the same way you'd built a car...adn its just not right
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MommyofG
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Re: Pet Breeding Q
Posted by Redhead
Posted by regi
Many of these people are backyard breeders. They don' t do their research. IMO adopting a dog or a cat from a shelter is the best option. SO many pets are destroyed because of the pet overpopulation.
Unless you know a reputable breeder, don't purchase your pet from a byb or a petstore.
Adopt, rescue save a life!!!
how do you know the difference between a byb and a reputable one?
research, I did a ton of research on the american bulldogs before purchasing one.
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Jesaroo
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Re: Pet Breeding Q
i understand when its an accident, but these byb are purposely mating these dogs for money reasons.
some ppl *claim* they mix poodles with other breeds b/c poodles are hypoallergenic. in my opinion, if you have allergies then just get a poodle! why a poodle mix?!?!
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Redhead
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Re: Pet Breeding Q
Posted by girlygrl33
Posted by Redhead
Posted by regi
Many of these people are backyard breeders. They don' t do their research. IMO adopting a dog or a cat from a shelter is the best option. SO many pets are destroyed because of the pet overpopulation.
Unless you know a reputable breeder, don't purchase your pet from a byb or a petstore.
Adopt, rescue save a life!!!
how do you know the difference between a byb and a reputable one?
research, I did a ton of research on the american bulldogs before purchasing one.
yes i did too before i bought mine but ultimately how do you know for sure?
by recommendation?
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Jesaroo
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Re: Pet Breeding Q
Posted by Redhead
how do you know the difference between a byb and a reputable one?
well, you really have to research them.
do they show? do they sell on spay/nueter contract?
do they ask YOU lots of questions and screen potential owners? ask them how often do they haev litters?
the main thing is really do they show. if they DO... then you know they are honestly tryingt o better the breed standard and such.
byb's dont show, dont sell on spay/nueter contract, dont ask you too many questions, dont use the term 'teacup' (if dealing with toy breed) etc etc
also, are tehy AKC registered? thats a big one.
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Jesaroo
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Re: Pet Breeding Q
backayrd breeders sometimes call themselves "hobby breeders" some do it b/c they "love the breed"
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| Posted 10/3/05 8:31 PM |
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reggie
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Re: Pet Breeding Q
For example, I had a neighbor that had two Jack Russel Terriers. One was male, the other female. THe wife wanted to fix them, but he wanted the female to get pregnant so they can have pups and make some dough. BYB don' t research the bloodlines in the dog, they just take two dogs and let them do the deed. Also, bybreeders would breed the mom and son dog to produce a litter. When you inbreed, a lot of problems occur. Especially in pits. If you breed the mom pit and her son, the puppy will literally be "psycho" and probably attack. This is what is done for the fighting dogs. It 's so freaking sad.
Never buy from a byb. IF you want a pure breed, look into a rescue or do your research and find a breeder who knows what they are doing. A good breeder researches the blood line and good breeder will not inbreed.
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MommyofG
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Re: Pet Breeding Q
Posted by Redhead
Posted by girlygrl33
Posted by Redhead
Posted by regi
Many of these people are backyard breeders. They don' t do their research. IMO adopting a dog or a cat from a shelter is the best option. SO many pets are destroyed because of the pet overpopulation.
Unless you know a reputable breeder, don't purchase your pet from a byb or a petstore.
Adopt, rescue save a life!!!
how do you know the difference between a byb and a reputable one?
research, I did a ton of research on the american bulldogs before purchasing one.
yes i did too before i bought mine but ultimately how do you know for sure?
by recommendation?
for me I didnt know the people and no recomendations, I searched the internet for 3 months, and finally came across what "seemed" to be a reputable breeder, god I saw some terrible ones in like oklahoma- puppy mill pictures they sent me with the pups in thier own feces! So after contacting the breeder in upstate ny I found out they had a breeder here on the island- so I went there to check out the conditions and speak to the woman and check her out like how she lived- yup I went into her house and all. It also helped that these dogs were champion breeds and belong to a huge association where they are in shows all the time. After a couple of visits we made our choice and very happy. We even have brought her back just to hang out with her siblings and mommy, her daddy is in heaven.
oh yea forgot to add- they freakin screened US!!!! I had to fill out all kinds of papers bout our jobs, had to give references and about our home!
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Jesaroo
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Re: Pet Breeding Q
What Is a BYB Breeder?
Signs of a Quality, Reputable Breeder
check these out. i had my girls put some info up on my doggy forum.
good info distinguishing between good and not so good breeders
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MommyofG
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Re: Pet Breeding Q
thats perfect!!! cause it really is hard to tell , I know for myself, I dont think I would have purchased if she didnt come from a champion line Shatzund - I freakin cant spell it- its the german AKC type.
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Re: Pet Breeding Q
Posted by Redhead
Posted by Janice
I hate to say this, and I apologize for the spinoff...but when looking to adopt a dog last weekend, there are so many pitbulls that need homes. Are you a fan of doggie genocide? Let's face it as well, these poor dogs probably are not going to find homes. They are 4 years old in a shelter. I know it is how a dog is brought up, but these have probably already been brought up wrong. Who is going to take these dogs in?
i agree....
I was looking at Rotties before getting our dog and we went to a shelter to see them...
OMG one looked sooo mean...scsared the crap out of me...
Especially with these types of dogs being sooo commonly abused...How does a person risk taking on it when you do not really know the temperment all that well...
Should they attack.....you are screwed
we actually took 2 dogs like this out of a shelter and i have to tell you it isnt easy rehabing a pitbull who was trained to fight - luckily there were no small children involved and we had a seperate crating room for the dogs - it took a long time to get them to the point where they are family pets - folks i am talking YEARS with the pit and just shy of a year with the rottie that is 2 - 3 times a week of intensive retraining - personally i dont think most people want to invest that type of time in a problem dog when they can get another one just as easily.
and as for getting bit - it happens - i have 3 crushed bones in my hand to prove it.
the pit is now 15 years old and is a great dog - with family - she still has to be locked up around strangers.
the rottie on the other hand she has to be the sweetest dog i have ever met - she is about 6 now and definately took to retraining much better than the pit once you got past the snarl.
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Redhead
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OMG.......
I have to say you are a very loving and patient person to do that...
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