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Re: NTTCR:16 & Pregnant.. . . vent
i don't know, from the very few glimpses i caught of the show it didn't make it seem like these girls had horrible lives...i've caught glimpses where i saw the girls still going out with their friends driving around in the car, dating other guys and going to the nail salon...from what i saw it didn't seem like the show was trying to show how hard motherhood is on these girls at all. i could be wrong b/c i don't watch the show, just saw bits and pieces going through the channels.
where my sister lives in FL there is a very high rate of teen pregnancy so i see it and hear all about it. the girls are so immature and irresponsible to begin with that it doesn't even phase them what they are getting themselves into...they are lazy, uneducated, they post sleazy pictures of their bellies on facebook and they brag about being a baby momma. they become popular in their circle of friends and they get to have a party (baby shower  ). my sister just went last week to help another friend register (this is the 2nd so far that she has helped do a registry with) and to these girls it is cool. then their parents watch the kids for them so they can "go out".
to the girls my sister knows it is no big deal. their heads are in the clouds and they have no worries. here i am, married, financially stable, own a home, am in a loving commited relationship, tried to get pregnant and now that i am i'm a wreck  go figure...
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Re: NTTCR:16 & Pregnant.. . . vent
Posted by Nik211
i don't know, from the very few glimpses i caught of the show it didn't make it seem like these girls had horrible lives...i've caught glimpses where i saw the girls still going out with their friends driving around in the car, dating other guys and going to the nail salon...from what i saw it didn't seem like the show was trying to show how hard motherhood is on these girls at all. i could be wrong b/c i don't watch the show, just saw bits and pieces going through the channels.
where my sister lives in FL there is a very high rate of teen pregnancy so i see it and hear all about it. the girls are so immature and irresponsible to begin with that it doesn't even phase them what they are getting themselves into...they are lazy, uneducated, they post sleazy pictures of their bellies on facebook and they brag about being a baby momma. they become popular in their circle of friends and they get to have a party (baby shower ). my sister just went last week to help another friend register (this is the 2nd so far that she has helped do a registry with) and to these girls it is cool. then their parents watch the kids for them so they can "go out".
to the girls my sister knows it is no big deal. their heads are in the clouds and they have no worries. here i am, married, financially stable, own a home, am in a loving commited relationship, tried to get pregnant and now that i am i'm a wreck go figure...
I think you need to watch more of the show. Some of the beginning parts of the episodes might come across as though everything is honky dorey....... but believe me, by the end (well before the end of the episodes... usually after the first commercial break) of these episodes (ALL of them) it's quite the opposite. It depicts how young girls think it's not such a bad thing in the beginning; then as you get to know these girls and the fathers and the families more, you peel back the onion layers and see that's definitely not the case at all. It's heartache for ALL of these girls. NOT a single girl has yet to say they don't regret waiting... not a single girl hasn't cried about their choices and decisions. Not a single girl has had fun doing it or has had it easy.
They usually end up alone and in a bitter custody battle with no money, hardly any friends, and lost trust with their parents.
I've seen every season and I never once heard a single word uttered about how much they make for being on the show. They not only don't mention it, but they also live as if they aren't making that money. There's one episode of teen mom where Farrah is taken advantage of by a con artist and is out $3000 and she's devastated because that's all she had in her bank account and needs to pay rent. She asks to work extra hours at her job, even though she already does sooooo much in just one day.
These girls work, some go to school and raise a baby on their own for the most part. It doesn't look easy at all whatsoever. It looks really hard and stressful. Also, these girls know this is just an episode... they aren't going to have this "gig" on MTV forever. They are on for ONE episode plus a reunion show. They aren't getting all that much money out of it and especially not for the long run either. They are aware they need to figure out a way to make money and create a future for themselves and their babies. And they are very stressed about that because they just don't have enough hours in the day or money in the bank.
After the baby is born you def do not see them going out hanging with friends. Not unless the kid is in tow and usually the kid ends up crying and ruining their evening anyway and they have to go home. They can't meet guys because no one wants their "baggage". It's not at all glorified.
Like Hofstra is saying... it's one thing to say over and over and over again all the things that can, and do happen to these teen moms.... in one ear and out the other because the know better. But to SEE it, physically see it on TV really shows it.... Especially if you are a young girl and you see a girl on the show who you can relate to for whatever reason, maybe your relationship with your boyfriend is soooo much the same, or the relationship with your parents and family is the same... or how you feel about things, etc... and then to see how negatively it turns out in the end.... I think that is a very powerful message that definitely hits home.
It's very unfortunate what you say is going on in Florida. The truth is teen pregnancy was going on far before this show. The whole teen pregnancy pact was before this show. So IMO those situations are not because of the show, since they were around before it. I think the show brings light to this problem and again if it changes just a few girls minds about it... then it's successful in it's message. The message on that show is not at all to glorify teen pregnancy.
I think something needs to be done in that particular area of Florida. There has to be some reason why these girls feel the way they do. I also think that sometimes a girl gets into a situation and it's less scary if they aren't the only one. So it's easy for them to glorify it to each other to get them on board with doing the same thing so they aren't alone. Peer Pressure. They seem to lack parental supervision (with the whole posting pics like that on FB and what not) and they definitely lack guidance. It also sounds as though their parents are OK with it... perhaps that's where the problems are stemming from in that area.....
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Re: NTTCR:16 & Pregnant.. . . vent
Posted by KellyM
I love wathcing the show but its terrible for young girls to see.
these kids EACH make 60k from the show. so for each couple makes 120k. of course they can swing having a baby when your getting paid $ like that and living at home! they don't mention that!!
ETA- I get the idea MTV is going for, and its good, to teach girls how hard it really is, but when I watch the show, I feel like I really want a baby when the show is over. hard times and all. I'm afraid young girls who don't own a home, have a husband and really good jobs feel the same way. I don't think the show could do more to prove its not the right decision but I think they should make it known that these kids get a lot of money for doing the show, which makes their situation better.
how do you know how much they make? I've never seen, heard or read that anywhere. Even so... 60 to 120 k might sound like a lot... but trust me that runs out mighty quickly!!
I think you are in a totally different boat to say that the show makes you want to have a baby. You are an adult who is married and owns a home you say.. it's totally different circumstances... it's easy for you to look past the rest of it because of your position in life right now. But as a 16 year old looking at the show without a husband, house, job, etc... it's not at all the same thing.
Even if they do get 60k for the show.. it's not at all mentioned and it definitely doesn't appear to be the case on the show. The girl in last night's episode couldn't afford a stroller that was 29.99. So if she was really rolling in the dough... she would of had that stroller. Meanwhile the father was out buying 80 dollar sneakers (he works and was using his pay money)... this further reiterated not only how immature these kids are, especially the guys, but also how difficult it is because you can't afford things you NEED for your child and how much the guy really won't be supporting you or the baby the way they should be.
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Re: NTTCR:16 & Pregnant.. . . vent
I totally get what everyone is saying about the lives of these girls being hard and MTV focusing on this, but I still think it glamorizes teen pregnancy by making these girls into "celebrities". As a 33 year old woman, I can see that these girls are anomalies, and getting pregnant doesn't mean I get on TV. But as a 15 year old, not sure if I could. They are on every magazine cover, they all have a million fan pages on FB. There were rumors about Farrah dating Pauly D. So as hard as it might be, they have become famous, and that may appeal to other teens.
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Re: NTTCR:16 & Pregnant.. . . vent
Posted by MrsH2009
I totally get what everyone is saying about the lives of these girls being hard and MTV focusing on this, but I still think it glamorizes teen pregnancy by making these girls into "celebrities". As a 33 year old woman, I can see that these girls are anomalies, and getting pregnant doesn't mean I get on TV. But as a 15 year old, not sure if I could. They are on every magazine cover, they all have a million fan pages on FB. There were rumors about Farrah dating Pauly D. So as hard as it might be, they have become famous, and that may appeal to other teens.
Not every teen pregnant girl gets on the show. It's such a small percentage of the number of girls who end up pregnant. I can't imagine a 15 year old thinking... Oh I so badly want to get pregnant so I could be on 16 and Pregnant.
I don't see them on any magazine covers and I never heard of Farrah dating Pauly D... and I even get US Weekly emails before the issues are out. I'm not saying it's not on any of these things... but it sure hasn't hit my home yet..... so I'm not sure how "famous" they really are.
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Re: NTTCR:16 & Pregnant.. . . vent
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I totally get what everyone is saying about the lives of these girls being hard and MTV focusing on this, but I still think it glamorizes teen pregnancy by making these girls into "celebrities". As a 33 year old woman, I can see that these girls are anomalies, and getting pregnant doesn't mean I get on TV. But as a 15 year old, not sure if I could. They are on every magazine cover, they all have a million fan pages on FB. There were rumors about Farrah dating Pauly D. So as hard as it might be, they have become famous, and that may appeal to other teens.
Not every teen pregnant girl gets on the show. It's such a small percentage of the number of girls who end up pregnant. I can't imagine a 15 year old thinking... Oh I so badly want to get pregnant so I could be on 16 and Pregnant.
I don't see them on any magazine covers and I never heard of Farrah dating Pauly D... and I even get US Weekly emails before the issues are out. I'm not saying it's not on any of these things... but it sure hasn't hit my home yet..... so I'm not sure how "famous" they really are.
OK I really don't care I can't stand the show, but those girls have been on every single People cover for the past few months. And just google Pauly D and Farrah, it's everywhere. Again, I'm not sure why people are defending a reality show that much, I just don't think it is doing any good. And yes, teenage girls do look up to these girls, as I said they have many fan pages. Not that they think they will be on the show, though some do, but they do look up to them and try to emulate them.
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Re: NTTCR:16 & Pregnant.. . . vent
Posted by BABYblues2010
Let me clarify. By glorify, I mean put these girls on T.V. make these girls" famous" for getting pregnant.
ITA!! I refuse to watch it because it's a terrible message to be sending to young girls. Get PG young and be famous on TV. I feel so strongly about this and am glad Im not alone!!
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Re: NTTCR:16 & Pregnant.. . . vent
I have four magazines in my bathroom right now with the teen mom girls on it. And I just threw out another 2 or 3. So the girls definitely have gotten noteriety for the show and they do in fact get paid. Not sure exactly how much though.
I watched the original season of 16 and prenant and I watch teen mom. I can see both sides of the debate and I don't think either opinion is wrong, they both have very valid arguments.
I think we all need to keep in mind though that just like every other "reality" show these days, the level of actual reality is questionable. So really we have no idea what these girls lives are like.
Just my humble 2 cents!
ETA: Forgot to include how I know they get paid. Ryan (Maci's ex) mentioned either on one of the after shows or in a magazine article that decided to continue the show even after he was portrayed in a bad light because if people we going to think of him that way any way he might as well get paid for it.
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Re: NTTCR:16 & Pregnant.. . . vent
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I totally get what everyone is saying about the lives of these girls being hard and MTV focusing on this, but I still think it glamorizes teen pregnancy by making these girls into "celebrities". As a 33 year old woman, I can see that these girls are anomalies, and getting pregnant doesn't mean I get on TV. But as a 15 year old, not sure if I could. They are on every magazine cover, they all have a million fan pages on FB. There were rumors about Farrah dating Pauly D. So as hard as it might be, they have become famous, and that may appeal to other teens.
Not every teen pregnant girl gets on the show. It's such a small percentage of the number of girls who end up pregnant. I can't imagine a 15 year old thinking... Oh I so badly want to get pregnant so I could be on 16 and Pregnant.
I don't see them on any magazine covers and I never heard of Farrah dating Pauly D... and I even get US Weekly emails before the issues are out. I'm not saying it's not on any of these things... but it sure hasn't hit my home yet..... so I'm not sure how "famous" they really are.
OK I really don't care I can't stand the show, but those girls have been on every single People cover for the past few months. And just google Pauly D and Farrah, it's everywhere. Again, I'm not sure why people are defending a reality show that much, I just don't think it is doing any good. And yes, teenage girls do look up to these girls, as I said they have many fan pages. Not that they think they will be on the show, though some do, but they do look up to them and try to emulate them.
ITA that they are celebrities in their own right. I see them on magazines, gossip blogs, the E channel, even on the Gossip Board on this site - otherwise I wouldn't know as much about it from the few minutes I've seen on TV. Also I see people write about it on FB. So it's def a popular show and they are getting fame from it - even if it is short lived. It's not even on a credible network IMO - this is the same channel that airs The Jersey Shore
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Re: NTTCR:16 & Pregnant.. . . vent
Posted by AngnShaun
it is kind of disturbing how this show and teen mom are popular... idk maybe its my hate for anything reality related that is fueling my hate... but i agree with you, it almost glorifies it!
Totally AGREE!! That line urked me.. What msg are they sending to other teens.... SMH
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Re: NTTCR:16 & Pregnant.. . . vent
Posted by MrsKS
It's very unfortunate what you say is going on in Florida. The truth is teen pregnancy was going on far before this show. The whole teen pregnancy pact was before this show. So IMO those situations are not because of the show, since they were around before it. I think the show brings light to this problem and again if it changes just a few girls minds about it... then it's successful in it's message. The message on that show is not at all to glorify teen pregnancy.
I think something needs to be done in that particular area of Florida. There has to be some reason why these girls feel the way they do. I also think that sometimes a girl gets into a situation and it's less scary if they aren't the only one. So it's easy for them to glorify it to each other to get them on board with doing the same thing so they aren't alone. Peer Pressure. They seem to lack parental supervision (with the whole posting pics like that on FB and what not) and they definitely lack guidance. It also sounds as though their parents are OK with it... perhaps that's where the problems are stemming from in that area.....
I do agree with you that teens have been getting pregnant since the beginning of time - it's not happening b/c of the show.
When I was in high school I knew 1 girl who had a baby and it was a huge deal. If I was a teen now I'd know of all the girls on MTV and in the magazines and maybe the 1 girl in high school wouldn't have seemed like such a "shock" to me. It's almost like the shows makes it seem more normal in a sense.
My sister doesn't hang out with the best group of kids and a lot of it does have to do with the parents. They had their kids when they were teens and so the cycle continues.
I don't think the show prevents pregnancies and I don't think that it forces them either - but it certainly made a ton of girls famous for getting pregnant which IMO isn't something you should be famous for. That is where I have the biggest problem. Why are these girls making such a sensation?
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Re: NTTCR:16 & Pregnant.. . . vent
I have to disagree.
ESPECIALLY this most recent episode. This dad was the biggest *********.
I think it's good for people to see what it's really like... they should show MORE girls like this week's girl where the situation was really bad.
I think what is bad is showing girls like Macy from Teen Mom who have rich parents who take care of everything and she hardly had to struggle at all.
I think it's important for kids to fear what's possible. I know I sure did and that's why I was suuuuuuuuper careful as a teenager.
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Re: NTTCR:16 & Pregnant.. . . vent
Posted by Motown Throwdown
I have to disagree.
ESPECIALLY this most recent episode. This dad was the biggest *********.
I think it's good for people to see what it's really like... they should show MORE girls like this week's girl where the situation was really bad.
I think what is bad is showing girls like Macy from Teen Mom who have rich parents who take care of everything and she hardly had to struggle at all.
I think it's important for kids to fear what's possible. I know I sure did and that's why I was suuuuuuuuper careful as a teenager.
I didn't realize Maci's parents were rich, for some reason I thought it was Ryan's family. In her episode I thought Ryan was a douche though. He was never there, left her for entire nights to go out to clubs and party. They did have an apartment and she still has an apartment so I knew one of the families had some money.
Aside from that....
I am the child of a teen mother. My mother got pregnant her senior year of highschool with my older brother. A year later she was pregnant with me and then 2 years later she was pregnant with my brother. She was divorced with 3 kids by the age of 23. It's not at all easy. I do not at all find this show glorifying and I think it's pretty dead on accurate of the trials and tribulations a teen parent goes though. Their entire life is never going to be the same and they lose out on the same chances other teens their age get. Like to go away to college and be a normal teenager who can be selfish and all about them-self.
I don't know the articles that are written... so I can't say if any tabloids are glorifying them or not because I have not read them, but in the show I just don't see that happening. The few covers I was even able to google have titles that say "violent fights, custody wars, heartbreak, how the teen moms survived". IDK that doesn't sound the most appealing to me. But again, I didn't read the articles so I have little opinion of them... I won't comment on something I don't know enough about.
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Re: NTTCR:16 & Pregnant.. . . vent
Posted by Nik211
When I was in high school I knew 1 girl who had a baby and it was a huge deal. If I was a teen now I'd know of all the girls on MTV and in the magazines and maybe the 1 girl in high school wouldn't have seemed like such a "shock" to me. It's almost like the shows makes it seem more normal in a sense.
I see what you are saying here... as if the show might be making it more of a norm... and perhaps it might be for some people....
For me... there was a girl in 7th grade who got pregnant... I was shocked.
There were a few girls that got pregnant in High School... some of which dropped out and had the babies, others had abortions. I was shocked each time.
But, coming from personal experience.....I lived as the child of a teen mom... so for me the environment of a teen mom is the most normal thing I know... and yet I was still shocked when it happened with my peers.
Just to throw that out there.
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Re: NTTCR:16 & Pregnant.. . . vent
Posted by MrsKS
See now I don't see much if any at all glorification.
Usually the girl misses out on graduating on time, if at all.
There's always some sort of family struggle. Usually friends become scarse...
And most of all they seem to always "think" the guy will change his ways and instead he gets worse and worse to the point that it's even painful to watch the loser guys without seriously wanting to slap them around.
The girl usually ends up sacraficing the most and doing most if not all of the work while the guy is absent and free to party it up and live his life as if nothing ever happened.
In the end the relationship is dissolved and not stronger as they thought it would be in the beginning. And usually shortly thereafter a custody battle ensues.
By the end of the scenario the girl is saying how she regrets it all and wishes she would have waited, etc. It's a pipe dream gone bad.
I really see it highlighting the negatives of the situation. The main message I see is WAIT, you are too young to sacraifice your teenage years for this adult responsibility.
If the only benefit they get out of the situation is the guy is able to sleep over or move in… I just don’t see how that outweighs all the crap that adds up to a mountain of negatives. And even so, usually the guy turns into the hugest jerk in the mist of all this so who really cares if he’s sleeping over or not? He might as well not even be there.
ETA: Now I see the TLC Sister Wives show as glorifying a poligymist lifestyle in a lot of ways....
ITA, well stated and a good summary of the show. I do watch the show if I happen to see it's on. I think it's interesting to watch these girls take on such an adult role and how they handle that. I think it would turn MOST teens off from not using protection.
One couple from Teen Mom is amazing. They gave their child up for adoption because they wanted their child to have a better life. Their family disagreed with their decision and gives them grief as often as possible. They are an incredibly mature couple, that made a bad decision and have dealt with the ramifications of it as best as could be expected.
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Re: NTTCR:16 & Pregnant.. . . vent
I'm glad I'm not alone. It is sad and disfunctional. I'm just happy that my DH and I will be raising our children in a loving home when we're both old enough and emotionally ready.
Good Luck to you girls!
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Re: NTTCR:16 & Pregnant.. . . vent
Just wanted to add....before every commercial break there is an ad by MTV saying "Teen pregnancy is 100% preventable...." They definitely are trying to warn teens of their decisions regarding sex.
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Re: NTTCR:16 & Pregnant.. . . vent
Posted by BabyHopes15
I'm glad I'm not alone. It is sad and disfunctional. I'm just happy that my DH and I will be raising our children in a loving home when we're both old enough and emotionally ready.
Good Luck to you girls!
Not alone at all. Teens having babies is nothing new , and there are some teens that will watch the show and say wow , look how hard their lives are , I am going to practice safe sex.
However , there are also teens all over who will continue to have babies and yes some are stupid enough to say wow , they have a show and fame , maybe I can too! Not ALL , but even one is one to many!!!
where I am from, grandma ends up raising these babies, that's what I saw growing up.
Either way , its all perspective . I personally feel that it is absolutly wrong of MTV to have a reality show about children having children . JMO.
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Re: NTTCR:16 & Pregnant.. . . vent
Posted by Hofstra26
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I love wathcing the show but its terrible for young girls to see.
these kids EACH make 60k from the show. so for each couple makes 120k. of course they can swing having a baby when your getting paid $ like that and living at home! they don't mention that!!
ETA- I get the idea MTV is going for, and its good, to teach girls how hard it really is, but when I watch the show, I feel like I really want a baby when the show is over. hard times and all. I'm afraid young girls who don't own a home, have a husband and really good jobs feel the same way. I don't think the show could do more to prove its not the right decision but I think they should make it known that these kids get a lot of money for doing the show, which makes their situation better.
What would make you want a baby after watching the show? Would it be the fact that most of the boyfriends leave and these girls are left alone throughout their pregnancies? The fact that the girls are stressed and exhausted? The fact that they are essentially all alone raising a child at a young age? The fact that they have barely enough money to get by? Or the fact that they have little education and no chance at a good job? Sorry, but I don't see what part of the show would make you want a baby. Quite the opposite. I always wanted a husband, a house, a baby BUT even as a young girl I would not watch this show and think, "Hey, let's skip all this nonsense of education and husbands and get pregnant". That's just silly.
Again, people make the ignorant assumption that if we talk about something with our youth or give them information we are giving them "ideas" to get themselves into trouble. Good lord, regardless of anything anyone says teens are going to have sex and since most teens (and even kids) today are getting most, if not all, of their information from TV, magazines, and the internet why not have a show that highlights the struggles and difficulties facing a young mother?
Again, if the show even makes a difference in a handful of girls, if even just a few young girls decide to practice safe sex now when they didn't before then the show has done it's job. Nobody thinks anything bad will ever happen to them, even adults think that way sometimes, this show at least gives some insight as to how you're life can be ruined if you don't protect yourself and make wise choices.
I just don't see it that way. everyone struggles in life at some point or another. these kids still get to go out with their friends and have fun.
I know a few teens that say they love the show and can't wait to have a baby.
they don't see all the negative adults see, they see the happy parts. and they want what these celebs have. And yes they are celebs. look at the last 10 people and US covers, they are all over them with 3-4 page features inside. they are everywhere glamourizing what has happened to them.
Like I said before, I think the show is not doing it to be harmful to teens, but I think it is doing more harm then good
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