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Shelly
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Cho Seung-Hui question
Do you think that he was evil? Mentally ill? troubled? or a combination.
Personally, I have a hard time believing that people are truly evil. Sure, there are some. But i tend to think that most of the people who do terrible things are either mentally ill or troubled or both.
But with this guy, I just don't know.
He clearly is mentally ill. He was evaluated for mentail illness and released by a Judge for outpatient treatment.
But is he evil or troubled?
What do you think?
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curliegirl
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Re: Cho Seung-Hui question
IMHO, you cannot intentionally kill 32 people without being a little evil.
I don't care how mentally ill you are......
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suvenR
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Re: Cho Seung-Hui question
Deeply troubled. And, I don't think he was "connected" to anyone or anything.
I think as we all get older and mature more, we start to take other people's feelings into consideration. Like "if I drop out of college, it would kill my parents"..."If I run off and do XYZ, my whoever would be so upset"....
So, I think he was deeply troubled and never had any connection to anyone that would motivate him to do better in life, or at least prevent him from doing something so terrible.
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alisonggg
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Re: Cho Seung-Hui question
Posted by Shelly
Personally, I have a hard time believing that people are truly evil. Sure, there are some. But i tend to think that most of the people who do terrible things are either mentally ill or troubled or both.
I think like this as well..... I tend to believe he was seriously mentally troubled.....it doesn't make it any better.. but I too have a hard time believing that people are evil
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Tany
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Re: Cho Seung-Hui question
He was mentally ill and troubled but I think he was evil too because some people that are ill, recognize that they have a problem and try to seek help.
In my mind, a person that commits such a heinous crime has to be evil.
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Bxgell2
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Re: Cho Seung-Hui question
I think 9 times out of 10, the people who commit these kinds of horrific crimes have a combination of a horrific childhood, a weak disposition and mental disturbance, and that's what lead them to do what they've done. It doesn't justify it, but it makes it more understandable.
Then, every once in a while, there is someone out there born without a conscious - usually notable serial killers, like the Jeffrey Dahmer's of the world. No particular reason for it - they are just born with this particular deficiency. That rare .0001 percent of the population that is a "bad seed". They are born without a connection to humanity and lack the ability to empathize/sympathize.
I don't know where Cho Seung-Hui fell on the spectrum, but I'm starting to believe he may have been one of those bad seeds.
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Lanabean
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Re: Cho Seung-Hui question
You're missing one major word:
Angry
Angry, sad, and yes...a little twisted and evil
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Re: Cho Seung-Hui question
I think in general people are inherently good. However, there are always exceptions. Unfortunately, I believe that their are two sides to the spectrum. So yes, I think that there can people who are just purely evil.
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Shelly
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Re: Cho Seung-Hui question
Posted by Lanabean
You're missing one major word:
Angry
Angry, sad, and yes...a little twisted and evil
Definitely! I didn't specify angry because to me that is combined wiht trouble. But you are 100% correct.
He had a lot of rage against society- particularly the wealthy. He probably grew up seeing his parents work hard and still struggle financially. While other people are getting richer and richer for doing nothing.
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Bxgell2
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Re: Cho Seung-Hui question
Posted by Shelly
Posted by Lanabean
You're missing one major word:
Angry
Angry, sad, and yes...a little twisted and evil
Definitely! I didn't specify angry because to me that is combined wiht trouble. But you are 100% correct.
He had a lot of rage against society- particularly the wealthy. He probably grew up seeing his parents work hard and still struggle financially. While other people are getting richer and richer for doing nothing.
Yeah, but the difference is there are so many people out there who grew up poor, watched their family struggle while others grew richer, and while it may have angered them, or upset them on some level, they never went out and killed people as a result. The question is, what is it about this particular individual that made him so, so, so volatile? Mental instability alone, or is there something else going on, like a real empathetic/sympathetic disconnect? Is that just part of his genetic makeup? Who knows.
I guess that's why there's so much coverage on him because everyone wants to know.
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suvenR
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Re: Cho Seung-Hui question
Posted by Bxgell2
Yeah, but the difference is there are so many people out there who grew up poor, watched their family struggle while others grew richer, and while it may have angered them, or upset them on some level, they never went out and killed people as a result. The question is, what is it about this particular individual that made him so, so, so volatile? Mental instability alone, or is there something else going on, like a real empathetic/sympathetic disconnect? Is that just part of his genetic makeup? Who knows.
I guess that's why there's so much coverage on him because everyone wants to know.
I think that his isolation should also be considered. He had a language barrier that caused him (or contributed to) him being isolated from his cohorts.
Others grew up in much worse situations than he had, but I think they were able to make some basic human connections whereas he did not.
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Re: Cho Seung-Hui question
Deeply troubled and mentally ill...the onus is really on all the mental institutions that thought he was functional.
I believe there are evil people, but I wouldn't classify him as so...he was just really messed up.
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Re: Cho Seung-Hui question
I think he was mostly mentally ill (with a pinch of evil and dash of troubled thrown into the mix). I mean, he truly believed that he was sacrificing himself for something.... I think he thought he was doing something great.
But then there's another part of me that thinks he was pure evil and in a sense we're giving him what he wants... the attention that he craved his whole life, he's getting now and will get for a very long time.
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Re: Cho Seung-Hui question
Deeply troubled, and mentally ill. I agree that his situation in life alone cannot be blamed for his actions, many people suffer in the same circumstances and don't do what he did. I understand that he had a sister, she certainly went down a different path. So I definitely think that there is some sort of chemical imbalance that starts the ball rolling, that combined with trumatic events etc. BUT I also think there's a little bit of pure evil in there, that grew as a result of the circumstances into something awful. Mostly I think that there has to be a little bit of pure evil because he did what he did not to just the people that had wronged him but to a seemingly ramdom group of people who just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time.
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Re: Cho Seung-Hui question
Posted by Gertyrae
Deeply troubled and mentally ill...the onus is really on all the mental institutions that thought he was functional.
I believe there are evil people, but I wouldn't classify him as so...he was just really messed up.
ITA!
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SweetestOfPeas
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Re: Cho Seung-Hui question
according to one of his Professors, he was pure evil, and after seeing that video, I believe it! 
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Re: Cho Seung-Hui question
Posted by Bxgell2
I think 9 times out of 10, the people who commit these kinds of horrific crimes have a combination of a horrific childhood, a weak disposition and mental disturbance, and that's what lead them to do what they've done. It doesn't justify it, but it makes it more understandable.
Then, every once in a while, there is someone out there born without a conscious - usually notable serial killers, like the Jeffrey Dahmer's of the world. No particular reason for it - they are just born with this particular deficiency. That rare .0001 percent of the population that is a "bad seed". They are born without a connection to humanity and lack the ability to empathize/sympathize.
I don't know where Cho Seung-Hui fell on the spectrum, but I'm starting to believe he may have been one of those bad seeds.
Absolutely agree. Especially with horrific childhood or mental disturbance, as well as inablity to empathize, feel for others, which allows the person to harm people (and could be characterized as evil).
It's possible that Cho had a horrific childhood. He wrote about a pedophile. It's notable. Upbringing within the family often remains hidden, so it is difficult to know for sure.
Great article in Time:
Time article
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Booklady1017
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Re: Cho Seung-Hui question
He was mentally ill but maybe also sociopathic/psychopathic? He seemed out of his mind but he did plan these murders.
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BikerGrl
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Re: Cho Seung-Hui question
Posted by Shelly
Do you think that he was evil? Mentally ill? troubled? or a combination.
Personally, I have a hard time believing that people are truly evil. Sure, there are some. But i tend to think that most of the people who do terrible things are either mentally ill or troubled or both.
But with this guy, I just don't know.
He clearly is mentally ill. He was evaluated for mentail illness and released by a Judge for outpatient treatment.
But is he evil or troubled?
What do you think?
I think it is a combo of mentally ill & troubled that made him do this.
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dandr10199
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Re: Cho Seung-Hui question
Posted by curliegirl
IMHO, you cannot intentionally kill 32 people without being a little evil.
I don't care how mentally ill you are......
AGREED. 
Having a family member with a mental illness, I feel like not all people with mental illness are capable of doing something like this. It is VERY easy to blame his parents, the kids at school, his upbringing, the state for allowing him to purchase a gun, etc.
However, (and this is JMHO) I feel that this whole caring for a mental illness via "outpatient therapy" is ridiculous!
There should be more mental institutions and there should be a law on the books that if some one had his kind of mental history and the faculty of the college thought he was a danger to himself or others there should be a MANDATORY 30 days in a mental institution. Asking other "psychiatrists" what there thoughts are is too subjective. You just need to automatically have him evaluated somewhere other than a hospital pysch ward where the HMO's, health insurance and state want them out of the hospital as fast as possible.
I have seen this happen with my mother, so I do know what I am talking about. If the system worked, they would never let my mom out after one suicide attempt. She has attempted it FIVE TIMES.
Please do not try to tell me that the system works, or that he needed more meds, or that he had a bad childhood. The reality of the situation is that most people with mental illness STOP taking their meds once they are treated on an outpatient basis and they stop going to the doctor. The only way to make sure they are still taking their meds is to give the meds 30 days to work and have them supervised for those 30 days.
The "system" failed my family; it failed those kids at VT and their families. This goes WAY beyond gun control. IMHO.
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Booklady1017
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Re: Cho Seung-Hui question
ITA that we need to change our system regarding mental health. I wonder how it is in other countries. Also
dandr, I'm sorry about your mother.
I wonder how the mental health system is in other countries like the US.
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dandr10199
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Re: Cho Seung-Hui question
Posted by Booklady1017
ITA that we need to change our system regarding mental health. I wonder how it is in other countries. Also
dandr, I'm sorry about your mother.
I wonder how the mental health system is in other countries like the US.
Thanks 
In some other countries, they have institutions and that is how they take care of the mentally ill population. In the nineties, our brilliant gov decided to shut down a lot of institutions because it was too costly. 
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Booklady1017
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Re: Cho Seung-Hui question
Yeah but warfare weapons are not?
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| Posted 4/21/07 11:29 AM |
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dandr10199
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Re: Cho Seung-Hui question
Posted by SweetestOfPeas
according to one of his Professors, he was pure evil, and after seeing that video, I believe it!
I agree with you
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dandr10199
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Re: Cho Seung-Hui question
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Yeah but warfare weapons are not?
What do you mean?
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