Re: Obama's Pastor: U.S. to Blame for 9/11

Posted by Moehick

Posted by Tabitha

Posted by mosa77

and this is exactly why i hardly ever post on this forum cause you pretty much get attacked for what you say i am not stupid or idiotic thank you

you had to expect people to have an opinion on the fact that you dont like a candidate because of his name, correct? i dont think that is an educated opinion on a candidate. im not a fan of obama either, but those feelings are not because of his name.. they are because of some of his policies/stance on certain issues

Yes, but in this country there are loads of people that vote based on a name, race or gender. To think that many, many people don't isn't very educated

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Posted by MrsPJB2007

Posted by Goobster

Posted by MrsPJB2007

yes -- because Obama has control over what someone who IS NOT OBAMA thinks and believes in.

No he doesn't have control over what this pastor says, thinks and believes. He DOES have control over who he picks as his "religious" advisors to represent him and his campaign.

Yes I realize that completely--but I feel like sometimes people are trying their absolute hardest to spin these stories to make it seem as if OBAMA believes them...from the garbage about his name and where his family comes from to saying what this Pastor said.

He can be a spiritual advisor to Obama but still have certain political beliefs that are totally different from Obama. They don't have to be lumped together.

And honestly--what this pastor said is something that many people have said---as well as saying that Bush was to blame---or Clinton was to blame---or whomever. The pastor has a right to say what he believes....and if that is what he believes...so be it. Obama is not standing there saying "I AGREE!"

That is why I have issues with stories like this---its just another way to smear it up.

I'm not for or against Obama--I still am undecided as to whom I will vote for, but I just don't like seeing this stuff.....its like trying to make someone guilty by association.

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Yes I realize that completely--but I feel like sometimes people are trying their absolute hardest to spin these stories to make it seem as if OBAMA believes them...from the garbage about his name and where his family comes from to saying what this Pastor said.

He can be a spiritual advisor to Obama but still have certain political beliefs that are totally different from Obama. They don't have to be lumped together.

And honestly--what this pastor said is something that many people have said---as well as saying that Bush was to blame---or Clinton was to blame---or whomever. The pastor has a right to say what he believes....and if that is what he believes...so be it. Obama is not standing there saying "I AGREE!"

That is why I have issues with stories like this---its just another way to smear it up.

I'm not for or against Obama--I still am undecided as to whom I will vote for, but I just don't like seeing this stuff.....its like trying to make someone guilty by association.
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Keep smoking the good stuff. Truth is obviously the pastor has the right to say what he does . Thats what makes this country great. Again Obama is preaching about CHANGE. Listening to a hate monger for 20 yrs, that backs up Farrakhan, isnt the type of person i want leading this country. Obama obviously finds some truth to his pastor's teachings or else he wouldn't expose his kids to that crap.


If you burn the American Flag. Make sure you wrap yourself in it next time

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Keep smoking the good stuff. Truth is obviously the pastor has the right to say what he does . Thats what makes this country great. Again Obama is preaching about CHANGE. Listening to a hate monger for 20 yrs, that backs up Farrakhan, isnt the type of person i want leading this country. Obama obviously finds some truth to his pastor's teachings or else he wouldn't expose his kids to that crap.


If you burn the American Flag. Make sure you wrap yourself in it next time


that's so nasty. relax, everyone's allowed their opinion w/out the nastiness.

Message edited 3/15/2008 11:35:17 PM.

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Posted by MrsPJB2007

yes -- because Obama has control over what someone who IS NOT OBAMA thinks and believes in.

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Posted by MarisaK

Posted by MrsPJB2007

yes -- because Obama has control over what someone who IS NOT OBAMA thinks and believes in.

Of course not - but Obama has control over who he associates himself with and who he chooses to seek counsel from -

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Although there are some valid points in this thread, people who are too ignorant to research the facts and make statements about his name being "scary" should not be allowed to vote or procreate.

Obama's former minister (retired) has been to the Clinton White house - TWICE and he sat in for Lyndon Johnson's heart surgery. If Rev. Wright were so anti-American then why on earth did he get a commendation for being at that surgery? Pastor Wright wasn't President Johnson's nurse nor was he just 'the guy who wheeled the president in'. Pastor Wright was a cardio pulmonary technician at the U.S. Naval Hospital in Bethesda, Maryland.
His full bio is here http://www.answers.com/topic/jeremiah-wright

And why did Bill Clinton have him at the White House, TWICE, if Rev. Wright has spewed hate for 20 years as they would have us believe? It was okay to have Rev. Wright at his wife's side when he gave his "I'm sorry for getting a BJ from Monica" but now they are acting like Rev. Wright is the devil? But Rev. Wright was sought out by Bill Clinton when he needed public absolution for screwing around.

Washington Post article

Rev. Wright is to the left of Hillary.


The man is retired and Barack was not in the church when those words were spoken and Barack did not learn of the sermon until recently (probably around the time the media present him with the video clip)- so why on earth is it being attributed to Barack as if the words came from his mouth?

And what is most annoying is the sound byte. Listen to the rest of the sermon before judging.
Not just the sound byte - Rev. Wright
The Faux News network (FOX) is again taking sound bytes out of context and using them to shape the thoughts of those who don't bother to research and use the t.v. media as a source of "real" information. Do your research and then make a decision. Don't be a blind follower...even if you vote for McCain or Hillary...be informed!

And if Rev. Wright feels that the US is the bully of the world and responsible for 9/11, so be it. I definitely feel like the US is the bully of the world and know that we cannot expect to bomb countries and force Democracy on those who don't want it without consequences. Rev. Wright used different words but many people that I speak to about this war and the WTC attack feel the exact same way.

I was a few blocks from the WTC when it fell, running for my life with all of my friends and coworkers and I lost friends and classmates in that attack. Rev. Wright's words are just that, his words. If you are offended by the choice of words, then say that.

And as far as those who think Barack should have left his church home of 20 years over this statement, that is utterly ridiculous. I personally have heard my own minister as well as the Bishop of my former church (and my BFF's uncle) make political comments during sermons. It's nothing new at all for ministers to make political statements. It's probably part of the reason so many candidates head to church in the south on Sundays when campaigning. They expect the clergy to help them win over voters. But it does not mean the congregation is a bunch of sheep and following that spiritual leaders political views. I don't always agree with our Rev's politics on Sunday but I would never give up my spiritual home because of a few sermons with which I did not agree.

And so what if Rev. Wright married Barack and Rev. Wright baptized his children. He can't go back and change that now that a sermon THAT HE WAS NOT PRESENT TO HEAR has surfaced containing verbiage with which he does not agree and has denounced. It makes no sense at all that ONE statement made about 9/11 (which is accurate in Rev. Wright's opinion) over presumably a 20 - 30 year history as a spiritual advisor is being used to characterized Rev. Wright as a hate monger?

I bet if some of us were recorded spewing some of the random things that I'm sure are said in our own homes about the war, race relations, etc. that we would not want those statements looped on the network news for weeks on end and used to charactize any of us as hate mongers over a sound byte. And much less used to characterize our family members, friends or acquaintances as hate mongers by association?

Moreover, Rev. Wright is retired anyway. What is Barack to do other than what was already done - publicly denounce what was said and move on.

http://truthabouttrinity.blogspot.com


http://www.drudgereport.com

There is even a photo of Rev. Wright with Bill Clinton and another of Rev. Wright with Lyndon B. Johnson in the operating room.

And now with this passport breach (three times before they told anyone) I'm annoyed. When Bill Clinton's passport records were breached when he was a presidential candidate they launched a 3 year investigation!! But for Barack they didn't even tell anyone until the THIRD breach?!?!?! When a similar controversy occurred during the 1992 presidential campaign a senior State Department official under George H. W. Bush that accessed Bill Clinton's passport information and was forced to resign.

The dates of the breaches for Obama's records were January 9, February 21, and March 14 -- last Friday. Those dates coincidentally correspond to the New Hampshire primary, the Democratic debate in Texas, and the day the Reverend Jeremiah Wright story became major political news!!!

If you don't want to vote for Obama, then don't but at least base it on facts and not media hype.

Okay, I think I'm done now.

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And just one more point.......

Although "Wright did believe American held some responsibility for 9/11, his views, which have been described as radically outside the political mainstream, were actually influenced by a career foreign policy official" - Ambassador Peck

Text of the article

Meet the man who inspired Reverend Jeremiah Wright's now famous tirade about America's foreign policy inciting the terrorist attacks of September 11.
His name is Ambassador Edward Peck. And he is a retired, white, career U.S. diplomat who served 32-years in the U.S. Foreign Service and was chief of the U.S. mission to Iraq under Jimmy Carter -- hardly the black-rage image with which Wright has been stigmatized.
In fact, when Wright took the pulpit to give his post-9/11 address -- which has since become boiled down to a five second sound bite about "America's chickens coming home to roost" -- he prefaced his remarks as a "faith footnote," an indication that he was deviating from his sermon.

"I heard Ambassador Peck on an interview yesterday," Wright declared. "He was on Fox News. This is a white man and he was upsetting the Fox News commentators to no end. He pointed out, a white man, an ambassador, that what Malcolm X said when he got silenced by Elijah Muhammad was in fact true: America's chickens are coming home to roost."
Wright then went on to list more than a few U.S. foreign policy endeavors that, by the tone of his voice and manner of his expression, he viewed as more or less deplorable. This included, as has been demonstrated in the endless loop of clips from his sermon, bombing Hiroshima and Nagasaki and nuking "far more than the thousands in New York and the Pentagon and we never batted an eye."

"Violence begets violence," Wright said, "hatred begets hatred, and terrorism begets terrorism."

And then he concluded by putting the comments on Peck's shoulders: "A white ambassador said that yall, not a black militant, not a reverend who preaches about racism, an ambassador whose eyes are wide open and is trying to get us to wake up and move away from this dangerous precipice... the ambassador said that the people we have wounded don't have the military capability we have, but they do have individuals who are willing to die and take thousands with them... let me stop my faith footnote right there."
Watch the video (the relevant material starts around the 3:00 mark):
[URL]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOdlnzkeoyQ[/URL]

So it seems that while Wright did believe American held some responsibility for 9/11, his views, which have been described as radically outside the political mainstream, were actually influenced by a career foreign policy official.

Who is Peck? The ambassador, who has [URL="http://hotair.com/archives/2006/07/27/video-former-ambassador-ed-peck-defends-hezbollah/"][COLOR=#0000ff]offered controversial criticism[/COLOR][/URL] of Israeli policy in the West Bank but also warned against the Iraq War, was lecturing on a cruise ship and was unavailable for comment. But officials at Peck's former organization, the Council for the National Interest, a non-profit group that advocates reducing Israel's influence on U.S. Middle East policy, offered descriptions of the man.
"Peck is very outspoken," said Eugene Bird, who now heads CNI. "He is also very good at making phrases that have a resonance with the American people. When he came off of that Fox News, a few days later he said they would never invite me back again."

And what, exactly, did Peck say in that Fox News interview that inspired Wright's words?

Here are some quotes from an appearance the Ambassador [URL="http://thinkonthesethings.wordpress.com/2008/03/20/video-jeremiah-wright-chickens-coming-home-to-roost-september-11-full-sermon/#more-2653"][COLOR=#800080]made on the network[/COLOR][/URL] on October 11, 2001, which may or may not have been the segment Wright was referring to. On the show, Peck said he thought it was illogical to tie Saddam Hussein to the terrorist attacks on 9/11, and that while the then-Iraqi leader had "some very sound and logical reasons not to like [the United States]," he and Osama bin Laden had no other ties.

From there, Peck went on to ascribe motives for what prompted the 9/11 attacks. "Stopping the economic embargo and bombings of Iraq," he said, "things to which Osama bin Laden has alluded as the kinds of things he doesn't like. He doesn't think it's appropriate for the United States to be doing, from his perspective, all the terrible things that he sees us as having been doing, the same way Saddam Hussein feels. So from that perspective, they have a commonality of interests. But they also have a deeply divergent view of the role of Islam in government, which would be a problem."

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Posted by stickydust

Posted by neenie

Posted by tommy2

This is the man that is supposed to unite our country. A man that for the last 20 yrs of his life, has been spiritually guided by a anti-american hate-monger. No wonder Obama has a problem wearing an American flag lapel. No wonder he doesnt place his hand on his heart duting the National Anthem. No wonder his wife is proud of this country for the FIRST time in her life. If Obama really rejects most of what his pastor teaches, then why raise your own kids listening to it? Lets not forget that his pastor celebrates the teachings of Louis Farrakhan. I'd like to see the media's reaction if McCains preacher celebrated the teachings of David Duke. How can you preach about change and unity, when this is the person your raise your own family listening to?

Well said.

I could never imagine CHOOSING to attend a "sermon" every week that preached nothing but hatred. I've look up other sermons of his- and, aside from the whole 9/11 BS, everything else that came out of his mouth was some of the most racist, backward thinking i have ever heard. I felt nauseaus just listening to it. He is a piece of $hit, and Obama can deny buying into his beliefs as much as he wants, but actions speak louder than words, and his attendance at these hate sessions tells me that he supports it.

ITA - not to mention that I could never personally vote for a person who's wife admits that this is the first time she is proud of the US - when it directly benefits her? Certainly not the kind of first lady I want representing out country.

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Posted by MrsT

Posted by stickydust

Posted by neenie

Posted by tommy2

This is the man that is supposed to unite our country. A man that for the last 20 yrs of his life, has been spiritually guided by a anti-american hate-monger. No wonder Obama has a problem wearing an American flag lapel. No wonder he doesnt place his hand on his heart duting the National Anthem. No wonder his wife is proud of this country for the FIRST time in her life. If Obama really rejects most of what his pastor teaches, then why raise your own kids listening to it? Lets not forget that his pastor celebrates the teachings of Louis Farrakhan. I'd like to see the media's reaction if McCains preacher celebrated the teachings of David Duke. How can you preach about change and unity, when this is the person your raise your own family listening to?

Well said.

I could never imagine CHOOSING to attend a "sermon" every week that preached nothing but hatred. I've look up other sermons of his- and, aside from the whole 9/11 BS, everything else that came out of his mouth was some of the most racist, backward thinking i have ever heard. I felt nauseaus just listening to it. He is a piece of $hit, and Obama can deny buying into his beliefs as much as he wants, but actions speak louder than words, and his attendance at these hate sessions tells me that he supports it.

ITA - not to mention that I could never personally vote for a person who's wife admits that this is the first time she is proud of the US - when it directly benefits her? Certainly not the kind of first lady I want representing out country.

Yes, because it's better to have a first lady who is complicit in bribery for pardons?

Lest we forget that the former wife of fugitive financier Marc Rich contributed about $400,000 to the Clinton presidential library which deepened suspicions of congressional investigators looking into the controversial pardon given to Rich by President Clinton — that Denise Rich's financing of Clinton political and personal projects influenced his decision to give amnesty to her ex-husband. And they won't release the rest of the donation records or the tax returns - wonder why?

I guess it's better to have a presidential candidate who accepts a $500,000 donation from Walmart - the pariah among Democrats for its poor labor and environmental practices.

Or a presidential candidate who grossly exaggerates foreign policy experience and tries to hide the evidence (schedules) for months?

Clinton claims to have "negotiated open borders" in Macedonia to fleeing Kosovar refugees. But the Macedonian border opened a full day before she arrived, and her meetings with Macedonian officials were too brief to allow for much serious negotiating.

Clinton's activities "helped bring peace to Northern Ireland." Irish officials are divided as to how helpful Clinton's actions were, and key players agree that she was not directly involved in any actual negotiations.

Clinton has repeatedly referenced her "dangerous" trip to Bosnia. She fails to mention, however, that the Bosnian war had officially ended three months before her visit – or that she made the trip with her 16-year-old daughter and two entertainers. (one was Sinbad and he even said the trip was not dangerous at all and their biggest decision were where to have lunch).

Both Bill and Hillary Clinton claim that Hillary privately championed the use of U.S. troops to stop the genocide in Rwanda. That conversation left no public record, however, as U.S. policy was explicitly to stay out of Rwanda, and officials say that the use of U.S. troops was never considered.

And there is tons more if you care to research.

As for Obama and the church services, unless he is in the video's, Rev. Wright's sermon's cannot be attributed to Obama as if the words were from his mouth. And given that the inflammatory sound byte from the sermon being looped was based on Ambassador's Peck's comments, what's the media going to do now? I bet they won't loop the Edward Peck video every 5 minutes for the rest of the month.

The funny part about all of this is I always thought I'd vote for Hillary if she ran for president but with all of this madness, I may stay home.

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wow - I just read Mrs T's posts and it never ceases to amaze me what lengths people will go to spin things.

everyone has a right to their opinion, but what kind of "man of the cloth" preaches such vile HATE? it is BEYOND disturbing that ANYONE would brush it aside and spin it as "free speech" or "opinion" when you're a Rev., you have a responsibility. What purpose does a hateful sermon serve? do people listen to sermons in Church (or any house of worship) and expect to hear hate? or do they go for inspiration and spirituality? 9/11 was OUR fault? he is spitting on the grave of everyone who was affected by it he is a POS and hurt Obama BIGTIME. That is reality!

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Posted by SweetestOfPeas

wow - I just read Mrs T's posts and it never ceases to amaze me what lengths people will go to spin things.

everyone has a right to their opinion, but what kind of "man of the cloth" preaches such vile HATE? it is BEYOND disturbing that ANYONE would brush it aside and spin it as "free speech" or "opinion" when you're a Rev., you have a responsibility. What purpose does a hateful sermon serve? do people listen to sermons in Church (or any house of worship) and expect to hear hate? or do they go for inspiration and spirituality? 9/11 was OUR fault? he is spitting on the grave of everyone who was affected by it he is a POS and hurt Obama BIGTIME. That is reality!

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Bottom line is people like Rev. Wright keep racism alive in this country. We can't move forward while people like him are infecting his community with poisonous rapport. Barack's action's speak louder then words do IMO.And i dont care if Rev. Wright's been to the White House. The man gave a lifetime achievement award to Louis Farrakhan. The people responsible for inviting him should have their heads examined.


We must learn to live together as brothers or perish together as fools.
Martin Luther King Jr.

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As a catholic I've sat in plenty of masses where the priest sermoned hate. I've heard that gays are going straight to hell, feminists hate children, etc. I've also heard sermons against stem cell research, abortion, even Bill Clinton.

I'm still a catholic, but if someone had a video of some of the sermons given by priests in the parish I grew up in, I'm sure they'd think I'm racist as well.

. . . I'm sorry but EVERY politician does this. It's pandering and it's wrong - but to write all this stuff against Obama and not write the same things about McCain and Clinton is ignorant.

What about McCain's speech at Bob Jones university - the same school that has been spewing and TEACHING hate (anti Catholic, anti gay, anti immigrant) for decades?

What about Pat Robertson's speech at the 1988 republican convention where he said that feminists were all lesbians who practiced witchcraft and were trying to take children away from their parents? Bush and McCain NEVER shy away from a photo op with that man.

And Clinton's million photo ops with Al Sharpton?

Yes - Rev. Wright is his religious advisor - but he is not a political advisor. I have a problem with some of the stuff he says - but I've also never faced racism. His words make me uncomfortable - but we have freedom of speech in this country.

and the whole "US is to blame for 9/11" rhetoric was also articulated by Ron Paul.

. . . I'm sorry but when I'm in the voting booth, I'm thinking about who is going to get this economy on track. Who is going to get our oil prices down - who is going to get us out of this foreclosure crisis - and who has a plan for Iraq. This issue is only taking attention away from the other conversations we should be having.

. . . and I'm a Joe Biden supporter - but unfortunately no one in Iowa was - so he's out.

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