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Re: Would I be a really nasty neighbor?
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Posted by MrsDeVito
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Posted by gina409
Trying to figure out how to respond to as you put it my holidays being about games and candy.......
I find that more offensive than a block party
I think the point that poster was trying to make was that they're not solemn holidays like, say, Good Friday is, which is true, they're most certainly not.
I think the games and candy thing came into play because lets face it, both holidays have become incredibly commercialized and if you're not well versed in Christianity you could think they're "fluff" holidays, which they aren't.
As for the block party sitch, I think you're well within your rights to not sign.
If I had to guess they chose Yom Kippur weekend because the kids will have off so it's a three day weekend whereas the other weekend is a regular two day weekend, this makes it easier to still have your weekend and not lose that day to do stuff.
Having said that, whether it's right or wrong, I do happen to agree with those who said something along the line of "don't be that neighbor", and the ONLY reason I say this is because of the politics of the entire situation. You have to live side by side with these people and keeping the peace is probably the best route to take.
Does it suck?
Absolutely!
But I'd probably sign (even though you're TOTALLY not obligated to) and just move on. Perhaps you could ask that your guest be allowed to get to your house a little early and be allowed to park by your house? I don't know if that's possible. Like I know on my parent's street, on part of the block has the party but their part doesn't partake but because there are a couple ways in it doesn't really affect them.
Anyway, it's a crappy situation and I think if you were to sign off on it, I'd suggest adding a note stating that you're disappointed in not being able to partake but you just can't because this is such a high holy day of obligation.
I don't think it really matters what was meant by the games and candy comment the fact remains that it was rude and offensive. It's ok to not know that easter and Christmas aren't just "fluff" holidays but its not ok to not realize that a block party would mean a Jewish family couldn't observe their holiday?
I don't see how the "games, candy" comment was offensive, I really don't. FTR, I'm Roman Catholic so I celebrate those very holidays and do see how commercialized they are and how it's easy to see how someone who isn't as educated in our religion wouldn't think it's more than a "fluff" holiday. Kind of like Hanukkah. NONE of the holidays I mentioned are really "fluff" holidays but the fact that they're so commercialized makes them seem that way. That's all *I* was saying.
But more so, I think the fact that it's a known holiday, on the calendar, and yet the hosts STILL decided to put it out there as a possible date was wrong.
It would be wrong if they did it on a Catholic holiday too!
I'm all for equality!  
It's offensive because it insinuates that these holidays aren't as important as the Jewish holidays because instead of being solemn and reflecting, all that happens is candy is eaten and games are played.
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Would I be a really nasty neighbor?
I have to say with all the "politically correct/what if/worst case scenario" posts I've seen on this site I find it absolutely hilarious that there's any debate on whether it's rude or not to plan a communal party on a religious holiday!
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Re: Would I be a really nasty neighbor?
Posted by MikesBride
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Posted by seaside
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Posted by seaside
It doesn't matter whether the blcok is a place of worship. It doesn't even really matter whether Jews hear celebrating on that day while in their homes.
What matters is that the organizers are in effect saying "The neighborhood will be getting together on x date. Jews--don't bother."
They might not mean to say it, but they are.
Imagine sending that message to any other minority group?
I don't think that's what was said I think a vote was taken and that was the day that worked for the majority.
I agree that it was probably simply the day that worked for the majority. They probably didn't delve into the reasons WHY such and such date didn't work for some families. They just picked the date that most people agreed on, no matter what the reason was. You don't know how many other families are of the Jewish faith, that are being "excluded" in your words. What is the guarantee that the OP would have or could have participated had the planner picked a different day? I don't see in this case why what works best for the majority is wrong.
Even ONE family (the OP's) being excluded because they fit the broadest definition of Jewish when there were other options is offensive. It's the "why" that makes it discriminatory-because they, like almost all identifying Jews worldwide, cannot attend a party that one day.
Offensive? WTF is wrong with you? What is offensive about having a block party on Yom Kippur.
Because they essentially EXCLUDED an entire group of people from attending. That is what is offensive.
Maybe the rest of the block is offended because one group of people is trying to stop the party for everyone else. Woah is me, woah is me.
WTF is wrong with YOU?? You are horribly discriminatory and completely insensitive.
He's the resident jackass/shit stirrer, don't mind him 
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Re: Would I be a really nasty neighbor?
Posted by HoneyBadger
I have to say with all the "politically correct/what if/worst case scenario" posts I've seen on this site I find it absolutely hilarious that there's any debate on whether it's rude or not to plan a communal party on a religious holiday!
Amazing, isn't it?!
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Re: Would I be a really nasty neighbor?
Posted by MikesBride
Posted by SlurpeeDad
Maybe the rest of the block is offended because one group of people is trying to stop the party for everyone else. Woah is me, woah is me.
WTF is wrong with YOU?? You are horribly discriminatory and completely insensitive.
How am I discriminatory? I may be insensitive, but that is all.
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Re: Would I be a really nasty neighbor?
Posted by MrsDeVito
Posted by HoneyBadger
Posted by MrsDeVito
Posted by HoneyBadger
Posted by MrsDeVito
Posted by gina409
Trying to figure out how to respond to as you put it my holidays being about games and candy.......
I find that more offensive than a block party
I think the point that poster was trying to make was that they're not solemn holidays like, say, Good Friday is, which is true, they're most certainly not.
I think the games and candy thing came into play because lets face it, both holidays have become incredibly commercialized and if you're not well versed in Christianity you could think they're "fluff" holidays, which they aren't.
As for the block party sitch, I think you're well within your rights to not sign.
If I had to guess they chose Yom Kippur weekend because the kids will have off so it's a three day weekend whereas the other weekend is a regular two day weekend, this makes it easier to still have your weekend and not lose that day to do stuff.
Having said that, whether it's right or wrong, I do happen to agree with those who said something along the line of "don't be that neighbor", and the ONLY reason I say this is because of the politics of the entire situation. You have to live side by side with these people and keeping the peace is probably the best route to take.
Does it suck?
Absolutely!
But I'd probably sign (even though you're TOTALLY not obligated to) and just move on. Perhaps you could ask that your guest be allowed to get to your house a little early and be allowed to park by your house? I don't know if that's possible. Like I know on my parent's street, on part of the block has the party but their part doesn't partake but because there are a couple ways in it doesn't really affect them.
Anyway, it's a crappy situation and I think if you were to sign off on it, I'd suggest adding a note stating that you're disappointed in not being able to partake but you just can't because this is such a high holy day of obligation.
I don't think it really matters what was meant by the games and candy comment the fact remains that it was rude and offensive. It's ok to not know that easter and Christmas aren't just "fluff" holidays but its not ok to not realize that a block party would mean a Jewish family couldn't observe their holiday?
I don't see how the "games, candy" comment was offensive, I really don't. FTR, I'm Roman Catholic so I celebrate those very holidays and do see how commercialized they are and how it's easy to see how someone who isn't as educated in our religion wouldn't think it's more than a "fluff" holiday. Kind of like Hanukkah. NONE of the holidays I mentioned are really "fluff" holidays but the fact that they're so commercialized makes them seem that way. That's all *I* was saying.
But more so, I think the fact that it's a known holiday, on the calendar, and yet the hosts STILL decided to put it out there as a possible date was wrong.
It would be wrong if they did it on a Catholic holiday too!
I'm all for equality!
It's offensive because it insinuates that these holidays aren't as important as the Jewish holidays because instead of being solemn and reflecting, all that happens is candy is eaten and games are played.
Totally, totally, TOTALLY didn't take it that way. Like at all. Even a little.
I really didn't.
I think we'll just have to agree to disagree.
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Re: Would I be a really nasty neighbor?
Posted by HoneyBadger
He's the resident jackass/shit stirrer, don't mind him
The shit was stirred before I got here, I am just pointing out the obvious.
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Re: Would I be a really nasty neighbor?
Posted by SlurpeeDad
Woah is me, woah is me.
One to grow on...
It's actually WOE. Not woah...
woe
/wo/
Noun
Great sorrow or distress.
Things that cause sorrow or distress; troubles.
Synonyms
grief - sorrow - misfortune - affliction - distress
Woah:
Common misspelling of whoa
whoa
verb imperative \'wo, 'ho, 'hwo\
Definition of WHOA
1
—a command (as to a draft animal) to stand still
2
: cease or slow a course of action or a line of thought : pause to consider or reconsider —often used to express a strong reaction (as alarm or astonishment)
You're welcome 
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MrsDeVito
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Re: Would I be a really nasty neighbor?
Posted by HoneyBadger
Posted by MrsDeVito
Posted by HoneyBadger
Posted by MrsDeVito
Posted by HoneyBadger
Posted by MrsDeVito
Posted by gina409
Trying to figure out how to respond to as you put it my holidays being about games and candy.......
I find that more offensive than a block party
I think the point that poster was trying to make was that they're not solemn holidays like, say, Good Friday is, which is true, they're most certainly not.
I think the games and candy thing came into play because lets face it, both holidays have become incredibly commercialized and if you're not well versed in Christianity you could think they're "fluff" holidays, which they aren't.
As for the block party sitch, I think you're well within your rights to not sign.
If I had to guess they chose Yom Kippur weekend because the kids will have off so it's a three day weekend whereas the other weekend is a regular two day weekend, this makes it easier to still have your weekend and not lose that day to do stuff.
Having said that, whether it's right or wrong, I do happen to agree with those who said something along the line of "don't be that neighbor", and the ONLY reason I say this is because of the politics of the entire situation. You have to live side by side with these people and keeping the peace is probably the best route to take.
Does it suck?
Absolutely!
But I'd probably sign (even though you're TOTALLY not obligated to) and just move on. Perhaps you could ask that your guest be allowed to get to your house a little early and be allowed to park by your house? I don't know if that's possible. Like I know on my parent's street, on part of the block has the party but their part doesn't partake but because there are a couple ways in it doesn't really affect them.
Anyway, it's a crappy situation and I think if you were to sign off on it, I'd suggest adding a note stating that you're disappointed in not being able to partake but you just can't because this is such a high holy day of obligation.
I don't think it really matters what was meant by the games and candy comment the fact remains that it was rude and offensive. It's ok to not know that easter and Christmas aren't just "fluff" holidays but its not ok to not realize that a block party would mean a Jewish family couldn't observe their holiday?
I don't see how the "games, candy" comment was offensive, I really don't. FTR, I'm Roman Catholic so I celebrate those very holidays and do see how commercialized they are and how it's easy to see how someone who isn't as educated in our religion wouldn't think it's more than a "fluff" holiday. Kind of like Hanukkah. NONE of the holidays I mentioned are really "fluff" holidays but the fact that they're so commercialized makes them seem that way. That's all *I* was saying.
But more so, I think the fact that it's a known holiday, on the calendar, and yet the hosts STILL decided to put it out there as a possible date was wrong.
It would be wrong if they did it on a Catholic holiday too!
I'm all for equality!
It's offensive because it insinuates that these holidays aren't as important as the Jewish holidays because instead of being solemn and reflecting, all that happens is candy is eaten and games are played.
Totally, totally, TOTALLY didn't take it that way. Like at all. Even a little.
I really didn't.
I think we'll just have to agree to disagree.
Yup definitely will have to agree to disagree bc I was completely offended.
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Re: Would I be a really nasty neighbor?
Posted by SlurpeeDad
Posted by MikesBride
Posted by SlurpeeDad
Maybe the rest of the block is offended because one group of people is trying to stop the party for everyone else. Woah is me, woah is me.
WTF is wrong with YOU?? You are horribly discriminatory and completely insensitive.
How am I discriminatory? I may be insensitive, but that is all.
Someone as ignorant as you are cannot be helped, and I won't waste my time trying when you clearly just want to be inflammatory.
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HoneyBadger
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Re: Would I be a really nasty neighbor?
Posted by SlurpeeDad
Posted by HoneyBadger
He's the resident jackass/shit stirrer, don't mind him
The shit was stirred before I got here, I am just pointing out the obvious.
Nah...
You have a gift to take it to another level in the hen house
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Jax430
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Re: Would I be a really nasty neighbor?
Posted by HoneyBadger
Posted by SlurpeeDad
Woah is me, woah is me.
One to grow on...
It's actually WOE. Not woah...
woe
/wo/
Noun
Great sorrow or distress.
Things that cause sorrow or distress; troubles.
Synonyms
grief - sorrow - misfortune - affliction - distress
Woah:
Common misspelling of whoa
whoa
verb imperative \'wo, 'ho, 'hwo\
Definition of WHOA
1
—a command (as to a draft animal) to stand still
2
: cease or slow a course of action or a line of thought : pause to consider or reconsider —often used to express a strong reaction (as alarm or astonishment)
You're welcome
And if we're going to use it appropriately in this context, it should really be "oy vey."
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HoneyBadger
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Re: Would I be a really nasty neighbor?
Posted by MrsDeVito
Posted by HoneyBadger
Posted by MrsDeVito
Posted by HoneyBadger
Posted by MrsDeVito
Posted by HoneyBadger
Posted by MrsDeVito
Posted by gina409
Trying to figure out how to respond to as you put it my holidays being about games and candy.......
I find that more offensive than a block party
I think the point that poster was trying to make was that they're not solemn holidays like, say, Good Friday is, which is true, they're most certainly not.
I think the games and candy thing came into play because lets face it, both holidays have become incredibly commercialized and if you're not well versed in Christianity you could think they're "fluff" holidays, which they aren't.
As for the block party sitch, I think you're well within your rights to not sign.
If I had to guess they chose Yom Kippur weekend because the kids will have off so it's a three day weekend whereas the other weekend is a regular two day weekend, this makes it easier to still have your weekend and not lose that day to do stuff.
Having said that, whether it's right or wrong, I do happen to agree with those who said something along the line of "don't be that neighbor", and the ONLY reason I say this is because of the politics of the entire situation. You have to live side by side with these people and keeping the peace is probably the best route to take.
Does it suck?
Absolutely!
But I'd probably sign (even though you're TOTALLY not obligated to) and just move on. Perhaps you could ask that your guest be allowed to get to your house a little early and be allowed to park by your house? I don't know if that's possible. Like I know on my parent's street, on part of the block has the party but their part doesn't partake but because there are a couple ways in it doesn't really affect them.
Anyway, it's a crappy situation and I think if you were to sign off on it, I'd suggest adding a note stating that you're disappointed in not being able to partake but you just can't because this is such a high holy day of obligation.
I don't think it really matters what was meant by the games and candy comment the fact remains that it was rude and offensive. It's ok to not know that easter and Christmas aren't just "fluff" holidays but its not ok to not realize that a block party would mean a Jewish family couldn't observe their holiday?
I don't see how the "games, candy" comment was offensive, I really don't. FTR, I'm Roman Catholic so I celebrate those very holidays and do see how commercialized they are and how it's easy to see how someone who isn't as educated in our religion wouldn't think it's more than a "fluff" holiday. Kind of like Hanukkah. NONE of the holidays I mentioned are really "fluff" holidays but the fact that they're so commercialized makes them seem that way. That's all *I* was saying.
But more so, I think the fact that it's a known holiday, on the calendar, and yet the hosts STILL decided to put it out there as a possible date was wrong.
It would be wrong if they did it on a Catholic holiday too!
I'm all for equality!
It's offensive because it insinuates that these holidays aren't as important as the Jewish holidays because instead of being solemn and reflecting, all that happens is candy is eaten and games are played.
Totally, totally, TOTALLY didn't take it that way. Like at all. Even a little.
I really didn't.
I think we'll just have to agree to disagree.
Yup definitely will have to agree to disagree bc I was completely offended.
Try not to take this shit so seriously.
We're mostly strangers, who, really, in the end have no affect on each others lives in the scheme of things.
Don't sweat the small stuff, it's not worth it! 
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SlurpeeDad
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Re: Would I be a really nasty neighbor?
Posted by HoneyBadger
Posted by SlurpeeDad
Woah is me, woah is me.
One to grow on...
It's actually WOE. Not woah...
woe
/wo/
Noun
Great sorrow or distress.
Things that cause sorrow or distress; troubles.
Synonyms
grief - sorrow - misfortune - affliction - distress
Woah:
Common misspelling of whoa
whoa
verb imperative \'wo, 'ho, 'hwo\
Definition of WHOA
1
—a command (as to a draft animal) to stand still
2
: cease or slow a course of action or a line of thought : pause to consider or reconsider —often used to express a strong reaction (as alarm or astonishment)
You're welcome
Thanks!
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Re: Would I be a really nasty neighbor?
MikesBride--
Think about doing what I do--only responding to people who (whether you agree with them or not) seem smart enough to engage in civil, adult conversation.
Message edited 7/22/2013 2:15:57 PM.
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Jacksmommy
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Re: Would I be a really nasty neighbor?
So I called the town and they still let it occur and it doesn't matter if I sign or not - they just need a majority! I am not crying about it and obviously I will plan ahead, I am just saying that it was disrespectful. My friend next door actually said she wouldn't participate if I didn't because she felt that it was wrong but I told her to continue with it!
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SlurpeeDad
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Re: Would I be a really nasty neighbor?
Posted by Jax430
Posted by HoneyBadger
Posted by SlurpeeDad
Woah is me, woah is me.
One to grow on...
It's actually WOE. Not woah...
woe
/wo/
Noun
Great sorrow or distress.
Things that cause sorrow or distress; troubles.
Synonyms
grief - sorrow - misfortune - affliction - distress
Woah:
Common misspelling of whoa
whoa
verb imperative \'wo, 'ho, 'hwo\
Definition of WHOA
1
—a command (as to a draft animal) to stand still
2
: cease or slow a course of action or a line of thought : pause to consider or reconsider —often used to express a strong reaction (as alarm or astonishment)
You're welcome
And if we're going to use it appropriately in this context, it should really be "oy vey."
Why would I say "oy vey."
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Jacksmommy
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Re: Would I be a really nasty neighbor?
And as an aside, I never thought I would start a drama thread. I'm usually pretty vanilla! 
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Re: Would I be a really nasty neighbor?
Posted by SlurpeeDad
Posted by HoneyBadger
Posted by SlurpeeDad
Woah is me, woah is me.
One to grow on...
It's actually WOE. Not woah...
woe
/wo/
Noun
Great sorrow or distress.
Things that cause sorrow or distress; troubles.
Synonyms
grief - sorrow - misfortune - affliction - distress
Woah:
Common misspelling of whoa
whoa
verb imperative \'wo, 'ho, 'hwo\
Definition of WHOA
1
—a command (as to a draft animal) to stand still
2
: cease or slow a course of action or a line of thought : pause to consider or reconsider —often used to express a strong reaction (as alarm or astonishment)
You're welcome
Thanks!
You might be insensitive but ya gots manners!
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Jax430
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Re: Would I be a really nasty neighbor?
Posted by Jacksmommy
So I called the town and they still let it occur and it doesn't matter if I sign or not - they just need a majority! I am not crying about it and obviously I will plan ahead, I am just saying that it was disrespectful. My friend next door actually said she wouldn't participate if I didn't because she felt that it was wrong but I told her to continue with it!
Sorry it worked out this way for you, and more so for your DS. It is entirely disrespectful, but just one of those things that we have to deal with as a minority.
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Re: Would I be a really nasty neighbor?
Posted by Jacksmommy
And as an aside, I never thought I would start a drama thread. I'm usually pretty vanilla!
Everyone has their time!
Congratulations! 
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| Posted 7/22/13 2:18 PM |
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Re: Would I be a really nasty neighbor?
I guess it's rude neighbors thread debates week on LIF, lol.
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Jax430
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Re: Would I be a really nasty neighbor?
Posted by SlurpeeDad
Posted by Jax430
Posted by HoneyBadger
Posted by SlurpeeDad
Woah is me, woah is me.
One to grow on...
It's actually WOE. Not woah...
woe
/wo/
Noun
Great sorrow or distress.
Things that cause sorrow or distress; troubles.
Synonyms
grief - sorrow - misfortune - affliction - distress
Woah:
Common misspelling of whoa
whoa
verb imperative \'wo, 'ho, 'hwo\
Definition of WHOA
1
—a command (as to a draft animal) to stand still
2
: cease or slow a course of action or a line of thought : pause to consider or reconsider —often used to express a strong reaction (as alarm or astonishment)
You're welcome
And if we're going to use it appropriately in this context, it should really be "oy vey."
Why would I say "oy vey."
I was being facetious. "Oy vey iz mir" is "woe is me" in Yiddish. So since you were making fun of those of us who thought the block party was unfair by saying "woe is me," "oy vey" would be more appropriate.
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Jax430
Hi!
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Re: Would I be a really nasty neighbor?
Posted by Jacksmommy
And as an aside, I never thought I would start a drama thread. I'm usually pretty vanilla!
Yeah, and I'm involved in one maybe once a year, so I've filled my quota!
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MrsFrizzle
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Would I be a really nasty neighbor?
I didn't really read the responses but based on your original post. I would sign that you don't want it. I wouldn't want to be that neighbor, you and your family still have to live with them on a day to day basis. It sucks that you wont get to participate this year but there's always another year.
It does sound to me like you make up your mind not to sign, which I think it wrong. Yes it's very unfair to do it on a holiday but it doesnt make you right to ruin it for everyone else. 50+ houses says to me there's a lot of people involved. I would also ask my SO to weigh in my whether or not to sign (if you have one) it will affect their life with neighbors as well.
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