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Goldi0218
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Re: Would I be a really nasty neighbor?

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What did we miss?



I want to know too!



Whatever it was, that person is now an invalid user.



Good. Because it was disgusting.



Wow. I'm impressed. I didn't report it and i was HIGHLY offended.

Posted 7/24/13 1:02 PM
 
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Re: Would I be a really nasty neighbor?

Posted by Goldi0218

Posted by MandJZ

Posted by ElizaRags35

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Posted by ElizaRags35

What did we miss?



I want to know too!



Whatever it was, that person is now an invalid user.



Good. Because it was disgusting.



Wow. I'm impressed. I didn't report it and i was HIGHLY offended.



That's weird Chat Icon
I never reported it either and I read it as well. Yes, it was very offensive and glad it's gone bc not worth reading or discussing it

Posted 7/24/13 1:11 PM
 

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Re: Would I be a really nasty neighbor?

Posted by EricaAlt

Posted by Goldi0218

Posted by MandJZ

Posted by ElizaRags35

Posted by brownie

Posted by ElizaRags35

What did we miss?



I want to know too!



Whatever it was, that person is now an invalid user.



Good. Because it was disgusting.



Wow. I'm impressed. I didn't report it and i was HIGHLY offended.



That's weird Chat Icon
I never reported it either and I read it as well. Yes, it was very offensive and glad it's gone bc not worth reading or discussing it



Maybe she just deleted her account after realizing she was going to get reamed up the ass?

Posted 7/24/13 1:18 PM
 

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Re: Would I be a really nasty neighbor?

Posted by brownie

I personally wouldn't care what day they picked (and wouldn't expect my neighbors to consider my religious holidays).

If it worked out that I could go, I'd sign and go to it. If it didn't because of whatever reason (religion, work etc) I'd not go and I wouldn't think more or less of anyone for not signing. Personally I would sign because I wouldn't want to hold the neighborhood back at all for their party but

I wouldn't think badly of anyone for not signing, it's just not a big deal to me. It's just a neighborhood block party!



This. And like others have said this should have never turned into a religion vs. religion thing.

The worst part imo was that the organizer never responded or acknowledged the OP's email. That was rude.

Aside from seeing someone with Christmas tree's in their windows I have no clue what religion/nationality my neighbors are lol. And even that isn't 100%. My sister is jewish and was converted at birth, celebrates all Jewish Holidays (aside from the day Yum Kippur landed on my wedding), and has a Christmas Tree during the holidays.

Again, I live by the motto, I can't control someone else's behavior (to have or not have the block party), I can only control how I respond to it (to sign or not to sign).

I try not to get too deep into analyzing why people whom I don't really care about do something and what their intent was. It's never worth it and wastes too much of my energy.

Posted 7/24/13 1:44 PM
 

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Would I be a really nasty neighbor?

I haven't read through the 14 pages of good ole' LIF drama here, but I did want to give my 2 cents. I don't think I would sign. I think it is rude and disrespectful. I could defintiely see a completely honest mistake being made when they first gave the 2 options, but once you notified them that is is Yom Kippur, I agree that the date should have been taken off the table. I am not Jewish, so I can't claim to totally understand the holiday or its meaning in any way. But The simple explanation you gave would be enough for me, if I were planning the block party, to take the date out of the equation. It doesn't matter if you are the only Jews on the block or if there are 20 other Jewish families. No one should be disrespected for their religious beliefs, and I do feel this is what they have done.

Posted 7/24/13 2:24 PM
 

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Re: Would I be a really nasty neighbor?

I have to admit, as the primary block party planner for my community of 150+ homes, I never once took into consideration Islamic, Hindu or any other religious holidays, only Christian and Jewish holidays. I know what religion some of my neighbors are, but I have no clue what 95% of my neighbors are or what they observe and it's certainly not my place to ask them.



Posted 7/24/13 2:58 PM
 

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Re: Would I be a really nasty neighbor?

Posted by Chatham-Chick

I have to admit, as the primary block party planner for my community of 150+ homes, I never once took into consideration Islamic, Hindu or any other religious holidays, only Christian and Jewish holidays. I know what religion some of my neighbors are, but I have no clue what 95% of my neighbors are or what they observe and it's certainly not my place to ask them.






But if someone said, Hey, it's yom kippur, I wouldn't be able to participate, would you think twice about offering that date?

Posted 7/24/13 3:00 PM
 

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Re: Would I be a really nasty neighbor?

DO NOT SIGN IT!

who puts a block party on a holiday? ANY HOLIDAY... whether its a jewish one or not. that is silly.

Posted 7/24/13 3:02 PM
 

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Re: Would I be a really nasty neighbor?

Posted by Jacksmommy

Posted by Chatham-Chick

I have to admit, as the primary block party planner for my community of 150+ homes, I never once took into consideration Islamic, Hindu or any other religious holidays, only Christian and Jewish holidays. I know what religion some of my neighbors are, but I have no clue what 95% of my neighbors are or what they observe and it's certainly not my place to ask them.






But if someone said, Hey, it's yom kippur, I wouldn't be able to participate, would you think twice about offering that date?



I'll be honest, if out of 150 homes only one or two homes took issue with the date because it was their religious holiday, I don't know if we would change it, especially if the other date didn't work and I wasn't going to have a lot of participants (which means no money, which in turn means the whole community looses out.) I would be apologetic and let them know it wasn't intentional and we'd make an effort to not have the event on their holiday the following year, but I can't honestly say if we would change the date.

However, it might be a different story if the home effected was directly in the section of the street we were shutting down. That would definitely be a different consideration. But it might also mean the committee would suggest relocating the event to a different street or portion of the street.

We have a large number of Jewish residents, so those holidays are avoided for a better turnout. But as I stated, we never gave any other religions a thought mainly because the majority are Jewish and Christian.

It's really hard trying to schedule a date that works for all neighbors, and it's guaranteed that multiple households/families are going to have conflicts and not be able to attend for various reasons and we do are hardest to avoid certain dates, but part of it is that we need the committee/volunteers to have a date that works for them as they handle all the games, vendors, tables/financials, setup, cleanup, etc. and again it's about participants = money for the event.

I can tell you most people don't last too long planning these block party events because 1. it's costly laying out vendor deposits/expenses without knowing turnout, 2. people hassle you about dates, 3. people who don't want to participate give you a hard time about the overall event, 4. getting people who are willing to actually help is difficult (since they all want to party.) Most of those who have done our neighborhood block party only do for 5 years and then just give up.


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Posted 7/24/13 3:30 PM
 

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Re: Would I be a really nasty neighbor?

Posted by Chatham-Chick

I have to admit, as the primary block party planner for my community of 150+ homes, I never once took into consideration Islamic, Hindu or any other religious holidays, only Christian and Jewish holidays. I know what religion some of my neighbors are, but I have no clue what 95% of my neighbors are or what they observe and it's certainly not my place to ask them.






My thoughts as well.

Posted 7/24/13 3:46 PM
 

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Re: Would I be a really nasty neighbor?

Posted by IansMommy23

i never involve myself with these threads, but i have to. i read page 1 and 4 and i can NOT believe the people writing that this is not offensive!!!! I'm a reform Jew. I don't go to temple, i don't eat Kosher, i wear pants. BUT...i DO follow Yom Kippor. I fast for 26 hours. I don't take part in celebrations. I use a personal day for work, because it's notconsidered a holiday. it is THEE holiest holiday we have! It should be respected by all faiths and a block party should NOT be planned on that day. its hard enough to explain to Jewish kids we don't celebrate Christmas, but to have a block party going on outside their house and they can't partake is cruel.

i'm really angry about this thread. i take offense that people don't find this offensive. i am one of the most laid back people you will meet and this disgusts me.




Just read this thread and I completely agree. I am AGHAST that people don't get how disrespectful it is to hold a block party on Yom Kippur. It is a day of prayer, fasting, atoning for sins- to have bounce houses, music outside on your block that day is OUTRAGEOUS.

If this were my block I would be up in arms about this and I would NEVER sign. I could see someone not knowing it was the holiday- but after you told them, to continue with that date is really out of line.

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Posted 7/24/13 4:00 PM
 

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Would I be a really nasty neighbor?

I'd think you were really nasty. In your situation, I'd sign and let the majority have their fun. The world does not revolve around me.

Posted 7/24/13 4:15 PM
 

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Re: Would I be a really nasty neighbor?

I told a friend about this thread today, and I mentioned that I was asked "wtf is wrong with you" for saying that excluding a whole group like that is discrimination, whether or not it's intentional.

She asked me what kind of online community tolerated that and functioned like that.

I told her I've been surprised by things I've seen on here before, but that kind of grossness wasn't nearly the most appalling, ignorant, or ugly thing I saw on this thread.

Posted 7/24/13 5:06 PM
 

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Re: Would I be a really nasty neighbor?

Posted by Chatham-Chick

I'll be honest, if out of 150 homes only one or two homes took issue with the date because it was their religious holiday, I don't know if we would change it, especially if the other date didn't work and I wasn't going to have a lot of participants (which means no money, which in turn means the whole community looses out.) I would be apologetic and let them know it wasn't intentional and we'd make an effort to not have the event on their holiday the following year, but I can't honestly say if we would change the date.

However, it might be a different story if the home effected was directly in the section of the street we were shutting down. That would definitely be a different consideration. But it might also mean the committee would suggest relocating the event to a different street or portion of the street.

We have a large number of Jewish residents, so those holidays are avoided for a better turnout. But as I stated, we never gave any other religions a thought mainly because the majority are Jewish and Christian.

It's really hard trying to schedule a date that works for all neighbors, and it's guaranteed that multiple households/families are going to have conflicts and not be able to attend for various reasons and we do are hardest to avoid certain dates, but part of it is that we need the committee/volunteers to have a date that works for them as they handle all the games, vendors, tables/financials, setup, cleanup, etc. and again it's about participants = money for the event.

I can tell you most people don't last too long planning these block party events because 1. it's costly laying out vendor deposits/expenses without knowing turnout, 2. people hassle you about dates, 3. people who don't want to participate give you a hard time about the overall event, 4. getting people who are willing to actually help is difficult (since they all want to party.) Most of those who have done our neighborhood block party only do for 5 years and then just give up.





ITA Chat Icon I would do and feel the same.

Posted 7/24/13 5:07 PM
 

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Re: Would I be a really nasty neighbor?

Posted by Goobster

Posted by Chatham-Chick

I'll be honest, if out of 150 homes only one or two homes took issue with the date because it was their religious holiday, I don't know if we would change it, especially if the other date didn't work and I wasn't going to have a lot of participants (which means no money, which in turn means the whole community looses out.) I would be apologetic and let them know it wasn't intentional and we'd make an effort to not have the event on their holiday the following year, but I can't honestly say if we would change the date.

However, it might be a different story if the home effected was directly in the section of the street we were shutting down. That would definitely be a different consideration. But it might also mean the committee would suggest relocating the event to a different street or portion of the street.

We have a large number of Jewish residents, so those holidays are avoided for a better turnout. But as I stated, we never gave any other religions a thought mainly because the majority are Jewish and Christian.

It's really hard trying to schedule a date that works for all neighbors, and it's guaranteed that multiple households/families are going to have conflicts and not be able to attend for various reasons and we do are hardest to avoid certain dates, but part of it is that we need the committee/volunteers to have a date that works for them as they handle all the games, vendors, tables/financials, setup, cleanup, etc. and again it's about participants = money for the event.

I can tell you most people don't last too long planning these block party events because 1. it's costly laying out vendor deposits/expenses without knowing turnout, 2. people hassle you about dates, 3. people who don't want to participate give you a hard time about the overall event, 4. getting people who are willing to actually help is difficult (since they all want to party.) Most of those who have done our neighborhood block party only do for 5 years and then just give up.





ITA Chat Icon I would do and feel the same.



I agree as well, honestly I have no idea what religion most of my neighbors are and also realize that I could not accommodate everyone. Not responding to your email though is rude! Like Chatham Chick mentioned, if I started taking into account religious holidays, I would consider all of them but this wouldn't even occur to me--I'd probably be thinking about weather, non-denominational holidays etc.

Posted 7/24/13 5:13 PM
 

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Re: Would I be a really nasty neighbor?

Posted by MrsPenthouse

I'd think you were really nasty. In your situation, I'd sign and let the majority have their fun. The world does not revolve around me.



Really? It's nasty to not sign when she said that date is the holiest of holidays for the Jewish religion and she should just suck it up and sign it? It you read all the posts you'd understand why she shouldn't. Did the other neighbors know the date was a Jewish holiday? Probably not, but the person organizing it should've first seen it on the calendar and if she missed it there then when the PP emailed her letting her know. The point is the date should've never been picked in the first place. It's just wrong. Does the world revolve around me? No, but when considering a neighborly block party it should've been considered and the date should've never been a choice.

Posted 7/24/13 5:13 PM
 

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Re: Would I be a really nasty neighbor?

Hosting the block party on Yom Kippur is INSANE to me. No, the world does not revolve around us Jews, but it is one day in the year and it happens to be the holiest of all our Holidays. I honestly don't think I'd have as strong as an opinion if it happened to fall on Rosh Hashanna, the Jewish New Year. That IS a celebration.

There will ALWAYS be conflicts and you'll never make everyone happy but IMO, I would easy say that a holiday trumps other conflicts. I just think its the more respectful thing to do.

If 2 people had a conflict for an event on one day due to a religious holiday and 10 people had a conflict on a different day because they were on vacation, I'd chose the event to be held when those 10 people were on vacation.

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Posted 7/24/13 5:13 PM
 

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Re: Would I be a really nasty neighbor?

Posted by seaside

I told a friend about this thread today, and I mentioned that I was asked "wtf is wrong with you" for saying that excluding a whole group like that is discrimination, whether or not it's intentional.

She asked me what kind of online community tolerated that and functioned like that.

I told her I've been surprised by things I've seen on here before, but that kind of grossness wasn't nearly the most appalling, ignorant, or ugly thing I saw on this thread.




I hardly view this situation as discriminatory. The poster was not told she couldn't participate in the block party because she was Jewish.

It could be viewed as discriminatory if they hold the block party on Yom Kippur annually.


Tolerance and respect of one's religion/beliefs is one thing, but explain to me why a multi-religious community must observe a specific religion's holiday as well?

Posted 7/24/13 5:15 PM
 

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Re: Would I be a really nasty neighbor?

Posted by Chatham-Chick

Posted by seaside

I told a friend about this thread today, and I mentioned that I was asked "wtf is wrong with you" for saying that excluding a whole group like that is discrimination, whether or not it's intentional.

She asked me what kind of online community tolerated that and functioned like that.

I told her I've been surprised by things I've seen on here before, but that kind of grossness wasn't nearly the most appalling, ignorant, or ugly thing I saw on this thread.




I hardly view this situation as discriminatory. The poster was not told she couldn't participate in the block party because she was Jewish.

It could be viewed as discriminatory if they hold the block party on Yom Kippur annually.


Tolerance and respect of one's religion/beliefs is one thing, but explain to me why a multi-religious community must observe a specific religion's holiday as well?




Courtesy.

Respect.

It's the neighborly thing to do.

Posted 7/24/13 5:16 PM
 

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Re: Would I be a really nasty neighbor?

Posted by Chatham-Chick

Posted by seaside

I told a friend about this thread today, and I mentioned that I was asked "wtf is wrong with you" for saying that excluding a whole group like that is discrimination, whether or not it's intentional.

She asked me what kind of online community tolerated that and functioned like that.

I told her I've been surprised by things I've seen on here before, but that kind of grossness wasn't nearly the most appalling, ignorant, or ugly thing I saw on this thread.




I hardly view this situation as discriminatory. The poster was not told she couldn't participate in the block party because she was Jewish.

It could be viewed as discriminatory if they hold the block party on Yom Kippur annually.


Tolerance and respect of one's religion/beliefs is one thing, but explain to me why a multi-religious community must observe a specific religion's holiday as well?




The part that still bugs me about people viewing this as discriminatory is what if the day that worked better for the OP didn't work for MORE than one family (5, 15, etc)? Should the date that worked better for the one family have been chosen over the one that worked better for likely many families? I don't see how anyone can view that as discrimation. In fact, it would seem overly accomodating to accomodate one family over many, based on what dates worked best for most.

Posted 7/24/13 5:18 PM
 

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Re: Would I be a really nasty neighbor?

Posted by ElizaRags35

Posted by Chatham-Chick

Posted by seaside

I told a friend about this thread today, and I mentioned that I was asked "wtf is wrong with you" for saying that excluding a whole group like that is discrimination, whether or not it's intentional.

She asked me what kind of online community tolerated that and functioned like that.

I told her I've been surprised by things I've seen on here before, but that kind of grossness wasn't nearly the most appalling, ignorant, or ugly thing I saw on this thread.




I hardly view this situation as discriminatory. The poster was not told she couldn't participate in the block party because she was Jewish.

It could be viewed as discriminatory if they hold the block party on Yom Kippur annually.


Tolerance and respect of one's religion/beliefs is one thing, but explain to me why a multi-religious community must observe a specific religion's holiday as well?




Courtesy.

Respect.

It's the neighborly thing to do.



And disregarding the rest of your community for the sake of your religion is the neighborly thing to do too?

Posted 7/24/13 5:18 PM
 

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Re: Would I be a really nasty neighbor?

Posted by Chatham-Chick

Posted by seaside

I told a friend about this thread today, and I mentioned that I was asked "wtf is wrong with you" for saying that excluding a whole group like that is discrimination, whether or not it's intentional.

She asked me what kind of online community tolerated that and functioned like that.

I told her I've been surprised by things I've seen on here before, but that kind of grossness wasn't nearly the most appalling, ignorant, or ugly thing I saw on this thread.




I hardly view this situation as discriminatory. The poster was not told she couldn't participate in the block party because she was Jewish.

It could be viewed as discriminatory if they hold the block party on Yom Kippur annually.


Tolerance and respect of one's religion/beliefs is one thing, but explain to me why a multi-religious community must observe a specific religion's holiday as well?




I have to agree with this, I never imagined this question would start arguments because it didn't seem offensive/discriminatory or anything of the like to me...the only part I saw fault with was not replying to the OP's email.

Posted 7/24/13 5:20 PM
 

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Re: Would I be a really nasty neighbor?

Posted by Chatham-Chick

Posted by ElizaRags35

Posted by Chatham-Chick

Posted by seaside

I told a friend about this thread today, and I mentioned that I was asked "wtf is wrong with you" for saying that excluding a whole group like that is discrimination, whether or not it's intentional.

She asked me what kind of online community tolerated that and functioned like that.

I told her I've been surprised by things I've seen on here before, but that kind of grossness wasn't nearly the most appalling, ignorant, or ugly thing I saw on this thread.




I hardly view this situation as discriminatory. The poster was not told she couldn't participate in the block party because she was Jewish.

It could be viewed as discriminatory if they hold the block party on Yom Kippur annually.


Tolerance and respect of one's religion/beliefs is one thing, but explain to me why a multi-religious community must observe a specific religion's holiday as well?




Courtesy.

Respect.

It's the neighborly thing to do.



And disregarding the rest of your community for the sake of your religion is the neighborly thing to do too?



I never said that. I really don't know how I feel about the OP's situation re: signing vs. not signing. I was merely responding to your question: why a multi-religious community must observe a specific religion's holiday as well? And I believe out of courtesy, respect, and being neighborly that they should.

Posted 7/24/13 5:22 PM
 

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Re: Would I be a really nasty neighbor?

Posted by brownie

Posted by Chatham-Chick

Posted by seaside

I told a friend about this thread today, and I mentioned that I was asked "wtf is wrong with you" for saying that excluding a whole group like that is discrimination, whether or not it's intentional.

She asked me what kind of online community tolerated that and functioned like that.

I told her I've been surprised by things I've seen on here before, but that kind of grossness wasn't nearly the most appalling, ignorant, or ugly thing I saw on this thread.




I hardly view this situation as discriminatory. The poster was not told she couldn't participate in the block party because she was Jewish.

It could be viewed as discriminatory if they hold the block party on Yom Kippur annually.


Tolerance and respect of one's religion/beliefs is one thing, but explain to me why a multi-religious community must observe a specific religion's holiday as well?




I have to agree with this, I never imagined this question would start arguments because it didn't seem offensive/discriminatory or anything of the like to me...the only part I saw fault with was not replying to the OP's email.



I agree too. I just can't see how this is discriminatory. The date wasn't picked B/C the family could NOT participate. The date was picked b/c it worked best for most. I don't see a difference if the reason the OP can't participate is for religious observance or for another function. If you cannot participate, you cannot participate and the date is chosen based on what worked best for most. I just think it's unfair to expect the day for a block party to be picked based on one family's needs when there are many families to factor in. Religious commitments or whatever you have.

Message edited 7/24/2013 5:25:35 PM.

Posted 7/24/13 5:24 PM
 

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Re: Would I be a really nasty neighbor?

Posted by ElizaRags35

Posted by Chatham-Chick

Posted by seaside

I told a friend about this thread today, and I mentioned that I was asked "wtf is wrong with you" for saying that excluding a whole group like that is discrimination, whether or not it's intentional.

She asked me what kind of online community tolerated that and functioned like that.

I told her I've been surprised by things I've seen on here before, but that kind of grossness wasn't nearly the most appalling, ignorant, or ugly thing I saw on this thread.




I hardly view this situation as discriminatory. The poster was not told she couldn't participate in the block party because she was Jewish.

It could be viewed as discriminatory if they hold the block party on Yom Kippur annually.


Tolerance and respect of one's religion/beliefs is one thing, but explain to me why a multi-religious community must observe a specific religion's holiday as well?




Courtesy.

Respect.

It's the neighborly thing to do.



This, plus it is discrimination--simply because it categorically excludes all members of a religion. Again--it may be unintentional discrimination, borne of ignorance--but it is discrimination. When you make a rule or a screen that operates to categorically block out a race, religion, sex, etc., you are categorically excluding people because of their status.

Do they owe you a legal duty? No--but it's discrimination, just like if a condo board in an apartment held their annual party on Easter Sunday, when Christians go to church. It may be intended or not (I have no idea)--but it operates to exclude people based upon the group they belong to. Here, it's a minority group that (clearly) many on LI are biased against to begin with.

ETA: that "clearly" was inspired by some of what I saw here today, but not by anyone quoted here.

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