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NinaLemon
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Re: Tipping Dilemma
Posted by smdl
Honestly, I had no idea camps were asking for tips.
Being that expensive already I am quite surprised they have the nerve to suggest tipping.
I would tip what I could and that it!
I agree I had no idea camps expected tips. I was also a counselor in college, I was the head counselor my last year and no one in our camp ever recieved a tip.
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Re: Tipping Dilemma
This is such a tough situation. can you ask the other parents if they wait till the end of the term? That way you have some breathing time? If they ALL tip in between. Than do what you can and dont even think about it for a second. Its not like your giving them a dollar!! Like a pp mentioned this is all going to add up to alot of $$$ for these kids!!
You know you try to give your kids the best and want to feel good about it.. And then some thing like this puts a damper on it. please dont let it!!
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browneyedgirl
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Re: Tipping Dilemma
i have to strongly disagree with most posters
i was a camp counselor at a very expensive and prestigious summer camp in nassau county. i even drove a bus and picked up the kids.
do you know what they paid us?? about $1.50 an hour--BEFORE taxes were taken out (and this was only a few years ago)! that's what it came down to because they tell you when you're hired "your pay comes in tips". so i made roughly $10 before taxes each day! i depended on those $20 tips at the end of the season. and i was a junior in college, not a high school kid.
it's pretty well known in the camping world that counselors depend on their tipe (as do waitresses...and we all know what happens when we discuss waitress tipping on here). it's the same thing. so by not giving the suggested rate, you really are "screwing" the counselor who has worked very hard with your son.
and i may get flamed for this, but for people who can afford a $$$$ summer camp, they should be happy to give $10 or whatever is suggested to the counselor. these aren't professionals--most are kids or students who DEPEND on this money.
and for the record, i was never ever given less than the suggested amount, most families actually gave more.
you do what you have to do, but i want you to see how not giving that amount affects the hard working counselors
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Re: Tipping Dilemma
I just have to  and  that you have to tip for camp.
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Re: Tipping Dilemma
Posted by Summerrluvv
I personally think a tip of any amount should be appreciated. I mean you DO pay a fortune for camp. I am also one that thinks tipping is totally out of control though and I think only on LI do people tip for camp. So I would just give them what you can and stop stressing
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Re: Tipping Dilemma
Posted by browneyedgirl
i have to strongly disagree with most posters
i was a camp counselor at a very expensive and prestigious summer camp in nassau county. i even drove a bus and picked up the kids.
do you know what they paid us?? about $1.50 an hour--BEFORE taxes were taken out (and this was only a few years ago)! that's what it came down to because they tell you when you're hired "your pay comes in tips". so i made roughly $10 before taxes each day! i depended on those $20 tips at the end of the season. and i was a junior in college, not a high school kid.
it's pretty well known in the camping world that counselors depend on their tipe (as do waitresses...and we all know what happens when we discuss waitress tipping on here). it's the same thing. so by not giving the suggested rate, you really are "screwing" the counselor who has worked very hard with your son.
and i may get flamed for this, but for people who can afford a $$$$ summer camp, they should be happy to give $10 or whatever is suggested to the counselor. these aren't professionals--most are kids or students who DEPEND on this money.
and for the record, i was never ever given less than the suggested amount, most families actually gave more.
you do what you have to do, but i want you to see how not giving that amount affects the hard working counselors
ITA 100% and it's not just b/c you're my BF! 
My sister works as a camp counselor. She will rely on tips to make a decent salary this summer...the hourly pay rate is peanuts b/c they were told that most families will tip them well.
I would have zero problem tipping for this!!
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Re: Tipping Dilemma
I would tip what you can afford, but I would tip the conseloro he spends most of the day with the most.
As for those who say camp is expensive enough as it is why should you tip - I was a camp counselor for many years, and yes I worked for an expensive camp, but that doesn't mean I got paid a lot.
I worked from 8am-5pm, with no breaks for eight straight weeks and got paid $800. Tips were very much appreciated - we worked very hard for the money. And that $800 was before taxes AND they only paid twice during the summer, so you got taxed a HUGE amount because the money was only spread out in two checks.
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HeathKernandez
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Re: Tipping Dilemma
Posted by browneyedgirl
i have to strongly disagree with most posters
i was a camp counselor at a very expensive and prestigious summer camp in nassau county. i even drove a bus and picked up the kids.
do you know what they paid us?? about $1.50 an hour--BEFORE taxes were taken out (and this was only a few years ago)! that's what it came down to because they tell you when you're hired "your pay comes in tips". so i made roughly $10 before taxes each day! i depended on those $20 tips at the end of the season. and i was a junior in college, not a high school kid.
it's pretty well known in the camping world that counselors depend on their tipe (as do waitresses...and we all know what happens when we discuss waitress tipping on here). it's the same thing. so by not giving the suggested rate, you really are "screwing" the counselor who has worked very hard with your son.
and i may get flamed for this, but for people who can afford a $$$$ summer camp, they should be happy to give $10 or whatever is suggested to the counselor. these aren't professionals--most are kids or students who DEPEND on this money.
and for the record, i was never ever given less than the suggested amount, most families actually gave more.
you do what you have to do, but i want you to see how not giving that amount affects the hard working counselors
my problem isn't tipping the kids.. I think I have an issue b/c they are splitting it up btwn HOW MANY different counselors that supposedly work with my son.. which I was not aware of until now... (receiving the flyers in his backpack) & suggesting pretty much a 20 dollar per 2 week session tip...WIth their suggested tips its working out to be over 150.00 for the summer.. and he's only there for 5 weeks total.. I guess it would be an easier pill to swallow if they set aside a % from the tuition specifically for tips.
I understand tipping his main counselor. I am not the parent who can afford a fancy schmancy camp... I barely just got by with this one... When we've spent over 3000.00 on camp (thats just a ballpark figure) another 150 wouldn't seem like a huge difference, but when you've budgetted yourself to pay for the camp, and then have to do this on top.. it makes a difference.. (well, for me at least)
trust me, if i had more money.. i would tip his main counselor a lot more, i see what a good job he is doing...
I worked with summer camps all through out HS and beginning of college... tipping was UNHEARD of... And it was also in LI.
I guess times have changed. But I do intend to tip everyone the suggested amount. I just feel as though I was guilted into it.. aside from the main counselor and the bus driver, who I can SEE are doing an excellent job.
Thanks for explaining your side though.. I do appreciate it.
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Re: Tipping Dilemma
Posted by SweetTooth
I would tip what you can afford, but I would tip the conseloro he spends most of the day with the most.
As for those who say camp is expensive enough as it is why should you tip - I was a camp counselor for many years, and yes I worked for an expensive camp, but that doesn't mean I got paid a lot.
I worked from 8am-5pm, with no breaks for eight straight weeks and got paid $800. Tips were very much appreciated - we worked very hard for the money. And that $800 was before taxes AND they only paid twice during the summer, so you got taxed a HUGE amount because the money was only spread out in two checks.
I did. And I wrote a nice letter in it explaining how being a baseball fan myself, it's wonderful to see my son learning to appreciate and love the game as much as his dad & I do...
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Re: Tipping Dilemma
Posted by dilb712
This is such a tough situation. can you ask the other parents if they wait till the end of the term? That way you have some breathing time? If they ALL tip in between. Than do what you can and dont even think about it for a second. Its not like your giving them a dollar!! Like a pp mentioned this is all going to add up to alot of $$$ for these kids!!
You know you try to give your kids the best and want to feel good about it.. And then some thing like this puts a damper on it. please dont let it!!
Unfortunately I don't know any of the other parents... I just don't want to be the cheap mom (haha)
even though I'm a faceless name to these kids... I do care that they aren't slighted
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Diana712
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Re: Tipping Dilemma
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Posted by dilb712
This is such a tough situation. can you ask the other parents if they wait till the end of the term? That way you have some breathing time? If they ALL tip in between. Than do what you can and dont even think about it for a second. Its not like your giving them a dollar!! Like a pp mentioned this is all going to add up to alot of $$$ for these kids!!
You know you try to give your kids the best and want to feel good about it.. And then some thing like this puts a damper on it. please dont let it!!
Unfortunately I don't know any of the other parents... I just don't want to be the cheap mom (haha)
even though I'm a faceless name to these kids... I do care that they aren't slighted
Its too bad that you just might be viewed as the cheap Mom. People do not realize this was truly the best you could do.
You never once said you were not going to tip you did say you might not be able to afford what the critera is? Did I read this correctly?
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browneyedgirl
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Re: Tipping Dilemma
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Posted by browneyedgirl
i have to strongly disagree with most posters
i was a camp counselor at a very expensive and prestigious summer camp in nassau county. i even drove a bus and picked up the kids.
do you know what they paid us?? about $1.50 an hour--BEFORE taxes were taken out (and this was only a few years ago)! that's what it came down to because they tell you when you're hired "your pay comes in tips". so i made roughly $10 before taxes each day! i depended on those $20 tips at the end of the season. and i was a junior in college, not a high school kid.
it's pretty well known in the camping world that counselors depend on their tipe (as do waitresses...and we all know what happens when we discuss waitress tipping on here). it's the same thing. so by not giving the suggested rate, you really are "screwing" the counselor who has worked very hard with your son.
and i may get flamed for this, but for people who can afford a $$$$ summer camp, they should be happy to give $10 or whatever is suggested to the counselor. these aren't professionals--most are kids or students who DEPEND on this money.
and for the record, i was never ever given less than the suggested amount, most families actually gave more.
you do what you have to do, but i want you to see how not giving that amount affects the hard working counselors
my problem isn't tipping the kids.. I think I have an issue b/c they are splitting it up btwn HOW MANY different counselors that supposedly work with my son.. which I was not aware of until now... (receiving the flyers in his backpack) & suggesting pretty much a 20 dollar per 2 week session tip...WIth their suggested tips its working out to be over 150.00 for the summer.. and he's only there for 5 weeks total.. I guess it would be an easier pill to swallow if they set aside a % from the tuition specifically for tips.
I understand tipping his main counselor. I am not the parent who can afford a fancy schmancy camp... I barely just got by with this one... When we've spent over 3000.00 on camp (thats just a ballpark figure) another 150 wouldn't seem like a huge difference, but when you've budgetted yourself to pay for the camp, and then have to do this on top.. it makes a difference.. (well, for me at least)
trust me, if i had more money.. i would tip his main counselor a lot more, i see what a good job he is doing...
I worked with summer camps all through out HS and beginning of college... tipping was UNHEARD of... And it was also in LI.
I guess times have changed. But I do intend to tip everyone the suggested amount. I just feel as though I was guilted into it.. aside from the main counselor and the bus driver, who I can SEE are doing an excellent job.
Thanks for explaining your side though.. I do appreciate it.
i'm glad you appreciate hearing the other side
it really is sad that these camps charge $3000 for a few weeks and don't even pay their counselors well. it makes you wonder where the money goes---it all must go in the owner's pocket.
if you think of it this way...$150 over 5 weeks is $30 a week. divided by the five days in a week it's $6 a day. since camp is usually 8 hours long it's less that a dollar an hour! and those counselors work constantly for the full 8 hours.
i would hope that those counselors truly are working with your son--i doubt they'd lie about it. and although you don't physically see them working with him, maybe you could ask your son about them? it's like the arts and crafts counselors at the camp i used to work at--they didn't get tips so the owners paid them something like a whopping $3.50 an hour instead of $1.50. since they were "behind the scenes" they didn't get anything but from a few parents.
i hope your son has fun and learns a lot at his camp!
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Re: Tipping Dilemma
Posted by maybebaby
Posted by browneyedgirl
i have to strongly disagree with most posters
i was a camp counselor at a very expensive and prestigious summer camp in nassau county. i even drove a bus and picked up the kids.
do you know what they paid us?? about $1.50 an hour--BEFORE taxes were taken out (and this was only a few years ago)! that's what it came down to because they tell you when you're hired "your pay comes in tips". so i made roughly $10 before taxes each day! i depended on those $20 tips at the end of the season. and i was a junior in college, not a high school kid.
it's pretty well known in the camping world that counselors depend on their tipe (as do waitresses...and we all know what happens when we discuss waitress tipping on here). it's the same thing. so by not giving the suggested rate, you really are "screwing" the counselor who has worked very hard with your son.
and i may get flamed for this, but for people who can afford a $$$$ summer camp, they should be happy to give $10 or whatever is suggested to the counselor. these aren't professionals--most are kids or students who DEPEND on this money.
and for the record, i was never ever given less than the suggested amount, most families actually gave more.
you do what you have to do, but i want you to see how not giving that amount affects the hard working counselors
ITA 100% and it's not just b/c you're my BF!
My sister works as a camp counselor. She will rely on tips to make a decent salary this summer...the hourly pay rate is peanuts b/c they were told that most families will tip them well.
I would have zero problem tipping for this!!
I worked as a camp counselor for several years and was always paid a living wage without tips... I never expected tips, though when we did get them, it was really nice. I do not think it's "well known" in the camp world that you tip as you would waitresses b/c I'm pretty sure that camp counselors must be paid minimum wage (and not the same as the minimum wage for waitresses, which is much lower). If I'm wrong, I'm really shocked and fell terrible for camp counselors who have to rely mainly on tips b/c this isn't well-known! No camp I worked at (and I've worked at 3) ever paid that little, and all paid well above minimum wage. Granted, one camp was NOT in NYS, so perhaps things were different OOS. No, I didn't get rich as a camp counselor... but I didn't expect to either. I was paid well enough for the job without having to rely on tips.
That said, we did sometimes get tips, though never from every parent. I never thought less of any parents who didn't tip or tipped less either. I always thought it was incredibly generous when people did tip, though.
As for the OP's situation, I don't think I would tip until the end of the three weeks my child was in camp. I might tip at the end of each section, though. (E.g., if he does swimming for one week, then something else for two, I'd tip at the end of swimming and then at the end of the next two weeks.)
I'm sure any tips will be appreciated, even if it's not the "suggested" amount. Not everyone can afford that.
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Re: Tipping Dilemma
Posted by dilb712
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Posted by dilb712
This is such a tough situation. can you ask the other parents if they wait till the end of the term? That way you have some breathing time? If they ALL tip in between. Than do what you can and dont even think about it for a second. Its not like your giving them a dollar!! Like a pp mentioned this is all going to add up to alot of $$$ for these kids!!
You know you try to give your kids the best and want to feel good about it.. And then some thing like this puts a damper on it. please dont let it!!
Unfortunately I don't know any of the other parents... I just don't want to be the cheap mom (haha)
even though I'm a faceless name to these kids... I do care that they aren't slighted
Its too bad that you just might be viewed as the cheap Mom. People do not realize this was truly the best you could do.
You never once said you were not going to tip you did say you might not be able to afford what the critera is? Did I read this correctly?
Personally, I never even gave a second thought to the parents who didn't tip when I was a counselor - and neither did the other counselors I worked with... I always thought "wow, that was so generous of her mom to give me a tip" but I never thought less of anyone who didn't tip.
Maybe things have changed, as it's been a long time since I've been a camp counselor...
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HeathKernandez
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Re: Tipping Dilemma
Posted by dilb712
You never once said you were not going to tip you did say you might not be able to afford what the critera is? Did I read this correctly?
that's right...
Actually, I ended up tipping the suggested amount aside from the swim counselors who I only gave 16 dollars to split (I didn't have enough cash!)
I thought he would only have ONE swim counselor and I found out he had two.
they suggested 10 dollars for the swim counselor, so I gave 16.00.. which works out to 8.00 per counselor.. I just hope they don't feel slighted over me tipping less 2 dollars...
one plus one plus two plus one..
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Re: Tipping Dilemma
Posted by Kara
Personally, I never even gave a second thought to the parents who didn't tip when I was a counselor - and neither did the other counselors I worked with... I always thought "wow, that was so generous of her mom to give me a tip" but I never thought less of anyone who didn't tip.
Maybe things have changed, as it's been a long time since I've been a camp counselor...
I'm hoping that's how these kids are... They seem great, I don't think they're expecting anything... to be honest, I'm probably over thinking this..
c'est la vie.. I is who I is...
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Re: Tipping Dilemma
Posted by browneyedgirl
i have to strongly disagree with most posters
i was a camp counselor at a very expensive and prestigious summer camp in nassau county. i even drove a bus and picked up the kids.
do you know what they paid us?? about $1.50 an hour--BEFORE taxes were taken out (and this was only a few years ago)! that's what it came down to because they tell you when you're hired "your pay comes in tips". so i made roughly $10 before taxes each day! i depended on those $20 tips at the end of the season. and i was a junior in college, not a high school kid.
it's pretty well known in the camping world that counselors depend on their tipe (as do waitresses...and we all know what happens when we discuss waitress tipping on here). it's the same thing. so by not giving the suggested rate, you really are "screwing" the counselor who has worked very hard with your son.
and i may get flamed for this, but for people who can afford a $$$$ summer camp, they should be happy to give $10 or whatever is suggested to the counselor. these aren't professionals--most are kids or students who DEPEND on this money.
and for the record, i was never ever given less than the suggested amount, most families actually gave more.
you do what you have to do, but i want you to see how not giving that amount affects the hard working counselors
Being that a position like that is not seen as a "tipped position" in the laws eyes, I would think your employer was violating some laws there.
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Re: Tipping Dilemma
I worked at the camp on my college campus for 3 years, they paid us BELOW minimum wage I worked for 9 hours straight no breaks, in the HOT HOT HOT sun. I know the camp charged an arm and a leg for the kids to go there and paid us crap. There were alot of politics involved but honestly. We looked forward to tipping. However, I think ONLY the main counselor and the bus driver should be tipped. In my camp EVERYONE else was paid decent except the conselours, they got food vouchers, hour lunches and 2hr breaks at some point throughout the day, the main counselors are the ones who work the hardest. I would forgo tipping everyone else and just tip them handsomely at the end of your childs time at camp. I mean its JMO but i've been there so I know. My camp sent notices saying parents should tip $2 a day for your childs stay at camp. I've gotten less and i've received more. I actually got annoyed at parents for not tipping especially if their kid was a PITA all summer and i was in constant talks with them about behavior and such.
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Re: Tipping Dilemma
Posted by Summerrluvv
Posted by browneyedgirl
i have to strongly disagree with most posters
i was a camp counselor at a very expensive and prestigious summer camp in nassau county. i even drove a bus and picked up the kids.
do you know what they paid us?? about $1.50 an hour--BEFORE taxes were taken out (and this was only a few years ago)! that's what it came down to because they tell you when you're hired "your pay comes in tips". so i made roughly $10 before taxes each day! i depended on those $20 tips at the end of the season. and i was a junior in college, not a high school kid.
it's pretty well known in the camping world that counselors depend on their tipe (as do waitresses...and we all know what happens when we discuss waitress tipping on here). it's the same thing. so by not giving the suggested rate, you really are "screwing" the counselor who has worked very hard with your son.
and i may get flamed for this, but for people who can afford a $$$$ summer camp, they should be happy to give $10 or whatever is suggested to the counselor. these aren't professionals--most are kids or students who DEPEND on this money.
and for the record, i was never ever given less than the suggested amount, most families actually gave more.
you do what you have to do, but i want you to see how not giving that amount affects the hard working counselors
Being that a position like that is not seen as a "tipped position" in the laws eyes, I would think your employer was violating some laws there.
I don't know - I worked for two camps and it was the same thing. If you broke it down into hourly wages the first year I was a counselor I made about $2.20 an hour. The subsequent years it was a little more, but never minimum wage. It was "known" you would make the majority of your money in tips.
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Re: Tipping Dilemma
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Posted by Summerrluvv
Posted by browneyedgirl
i have to strongly disagree with most posters
i was a camp counselor at a very expensive and prestigious summer camp in nassau county. i even drove a bus and picked up the kids.
do you know what they paid us?? about $1.50 an hour--BEFORE taxes were taken out (and this was only a few years ago)! that's what it came down to because they tell you when you're hired "your pay comes in tips". so i made roughly $10 before taxes each day! i depended on those $20 tips at the end of the season. and i was a junior in college, not a high school kid.
it's pretty well known in the camping world that counselors depend on their tipe (as do waitresses...and we all know what happens when we discuss waitress tipping on here). it's the same thing. so by not giving the suggested rate, you really are "screwing" the counselor who has worked very hard with your son.
and i may get flamed for this, but for people who can afford a $$$$ summer camp, they should be happy to give $10 or whatever is suggested to the counselor. these aren't professionals--most are kids or students who DEPEND on this money.
and for the record, i was never ever given less than the suggested amount, most families actually gave more.
you do what you have to do, but i want you to see how not giving that amount affects the hard working counselors
Being that a position like that is not seen as a "tipped position" in the laws eyes, I would think your employer was violating some laws there.
I don't know - I worked for two camps and it was the same thing. If you broke it down into hourly wages the first year I was a counselor I made about $2.20 an hour. The subsequent years it was a little more, but never minimum wage. It was "known" you would make the majority of your money in tips.
Was this sleep away camp or day camp?
I just don't get how they can get away with not paying minimum wage for a non tipped position. Unless of course you are just a salaried employee and your salary is ridiculously low for the amount of hours worked. Unethical for sure, regardless if the parents tip!
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Re: Tipping Dilemma
Posted by Summerrluvv
I just don't get how they can get away with not paying minimum wage for a non tipped position. Unless of course you are just a salaried employee and your salary is ridiculously low for the amount of hours worked. Unethical for sure, regardless if the parents tip!
I think that is how they get away with it ... I worked in a few day camps. The pay wasn't "per hour" it was a set salary. And it was ridiculously low. The tips were the only thing that made it worth doing it ...
The whole thing definitely seems a bit unethical now that I look back on it ... especially now realizing that many people don't realize how much those tips meant to the counselors.
I attended a sleep-away camp as a kid, and the counselors were paid a bit better (it also included room & board for the summer) ... and the counselors were not ALLOWED to accept tips.
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Re: Tipping Dilemma
i wouldnt stress too much! they will be getting tips from all the other kids too.
honestly, yes these counselors are young and can use the money but as adult you have alot more expenses then they do right now!
they have to be appreciative with whatever they get. i am sure they are getting a regular paycheck on top of tips.. a tip is a bonus no matter how much or how little.
let the swim counselors split the $10.
what are they going to do? stop you on your way out and ask for more?
dont sweat it! you already pay a fortune. just stick a thank you note with the tip and your are good to go!
hth!!!
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| Posted 7/25/08 3:50 PM |
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SweetTooth
I'm a tired mommy!
Member since 12/05 20105 total posts
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Re: Tipping Dilemma
Posted by Summerrluvv
Being that a position like that is not seen as a "tipped position" in the laws eyes, I would think your employer was violating some laws there.
I don't know - I worked for two camps and it was the same thing. If you broke it down into hourly wages the first year I was a counselor I made about $2.20 an hour. The subsequent years it was a little more, but never minimum wage. It was "known" you would make the majority of your money in tips.
Was this sleep away camp or day camp?
I just don't get how they can get away with not paying minimum wage for a non tipped position. Unless of course you are just a salaried employee and your salary is ridiculously low for the amount of hours worked. Unethical for sure, regardless if the parents tip!
It was a day camp - and two very expensive ones at that.
I was under the assumption all camps were like that. I think its the second thing you mentioned - a salaried position - when you get the job they tell you you will make X amount for the summer - not per hour.
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| Posted 7/25/08 3:52 PM |
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smdl
I love Gary too..on a plate!
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Re: Tipping Dilemma
Posted by browneyedgirl
i have to strongly disagree with most posters
i was a camp counselor at a very expensive and prestigious summer camp in nassau county. i even drove a bus and picked up the kids.
do you know what they paid us?? about $1.50 an hour--BEFORE taxes were taken out (and this was only a few years ago)! that's what it came down to because they tell you when you're hired "your pay comes in tips". so i made roughly $10 before taxes each day! i depended on those $20 tips at the end of the season. and i was a junior in college, not a high school kid.
it's pretty well known in the camping world that counselors depend on their tipe (as do waitresses...and we all know what happens when we discuss waitress tipping on here). it's the same thing. so by not giving the suggested rate, you really are "screwing" the counselor who has worked very hard with your son.
and i may get flamed for this, but for people who can afford a $$$$ summer camp, they should be happy to give $10 or whatever is suggested to the counselor. these aren't professionals--most are kids or students who DEPEND on this money.
and for the record, i was never ever given less than the suggested amount, most families actually gave more.
you do what you have to do, but i want you to see how not giving that amount affects the hard working counselors
Well, I live for tips too but honestly some camps are $11K. WTH is this money for if not to pay for the people to take care of kids?
Do you realize how expensive those camps are for people? $11K-$20K for the summer.
People cannot be responsible for employees not being paid by their employers. I am not in charge of someone pay. That's what the tuition is for. Isn't it?
Message edited 7/25/2008 4:01:02 PM.
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| Posted 7/25/08 3:59 PM |
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Epeebes
Easy Peasy!
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Re: Tipping Dilemma
Posted by smdl
Well, I live for tips too but honestly some camps are $11K. WTH is this money for if not to pay for the people to take care of kids?
Do you realize how expensive those camps are for people? $11K-$20K for the summer.
People cannot be responsible for employees not being paid by their employers. I am not in charge of someone pay. That's what the tuition is for. Isn't it?
You would think so right? we werent even paid by the camp, we were paid by the college. our paychecks were shady looking too, it would say we worked 44hrs for 2 weeks when really we worked twice that. YES it was a set weekly salary as opposed to getting paid per hr.
Where did the money go? Its a question I wonder all the time for 3-4grand for 8 weeks per child and we didnt go on trips, it felt like a very very shady business.
Im not saying you should be paying us, but in turn we are letting you know THEY didnt pay us all that much so tips were something we hoped and prayed we received.
Honestly a few bucks a day for someone who watches your kid couldn't hurt right?
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| Posted 7/25/08 4:12 PM |
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