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the problem is HOW DO THEY KNOW who is illegal or not solely based on looking at them.

what honestly, white people, are failing to realize is that skin color or any other ethnically identifying markers can now be used to make someone reasonably suspicious.

oh, and maybe accents if they are asked to speak.

which I don't have to point out that totally LEGAL residents can possess.

I get that something has to be done. I understand the danger that our border patrol officers (and well as all other arms of law enforcement) are under.

part of my work for YEARS dealt with the incredible jump in deportation and illegal cases the Federal Govt was dealing with. but they ARE dealing with it.

this is just NOT the way. we cannot turn a blind eye to the fact that there ARE still racists people in the world, and the idea that they could use this law as an excuse to perpetrate their racism is BEYOND unconstitutional.

we have a constutition and STANDARDS that set up apart from other countries. this law debases us. we cannot if we truly love and respect the fibers of our society allow something like this.

and as for the comment that they don't want to press a button for english...that is just an example of how closed minded some people can be. we are a GLOBAL community now...people actually VISIT here and use the phone too. Chat Icon

and it IS possible to become a citizen and still prefer and be more inclined to understand better your native tongue.

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Re: Speaking of racial profiling...

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According to the law you have to be in situation involving the police already. They can't just walk up to you on the street if you are speaking Spanish and ask you for your papers.





If that's the case.. I don't see what the issue is. If you are being questioned by the police for some reason you should expect to show something that indicates who you are - I'd be expected to show my license - so what's the issue with showing papers documenting your status?



but that is also up to the discretion of the police officer, what an issue is.

and actually, in this country, you DO NOT have to show your identification to anyone when asked if they don't have a valid reason to be stopping you. you can respectfully decline.

Posted 4/29/10 12:02 PM
 

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Re: Speaking of racial profiling...

when traveling to an outside country you are asked to show ID even after you have entered it (i have been asked several times in England/Ireland.)

I do agree its not a perfect way of going about it but if you do not live in Arizona you have no concept of how daily life is there. I know Dh's family is there and they honestly want to pick up and leave because the crime situation. If you are doing something suspicious or wrong and are stopped you must show id, if you do not have proper id then you are detained and if you are not legally here you should be removed. Will racial profiling happen, of course!

It does on LI - have a white group of people drive into a predominate african american neighborhood - your going to get noticed and the cops will stop you. Is it racial profiling - yes, but it happens because it is suspicious activity. I am not saying its the best thing to do but it needs to be done in order to ensure safety for the general public.

Posted 4/29/10 12:12 PM
 

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Re: Speaking of racial profiling...

Posted by mommy2Alex

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I also don't see why people compare this to Germany?



Me either.Chat Icon The Jewish people of Germany were citizens who were discriminated against. Here we are talking about illegal immigrants.



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Posted 4/29/10 12:12 PM
 

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Re: Speaking of racial profiling...

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I also don't see why people compare this to Germany?



Me either.Chat Icon The Jewish people of Germany were citizens who were discriminated against. Here we are talking about illegal immigrants.



THANK YOU!




it's not a comparison of the people, it's a comparison of the law.


in this country, we the people do not consider one person above another. ALL PEOPLE on our SOIL are afforded Due Process.

as a person in law enforcement for the federal govt, it is my JOB to report any person believed to be or known to be illegal. I have to document EVERY person I know to be legal or I could lose my job.

there is the right thing, and then there is a way to go about doing it.

the Mexican border is certainly not the only border area with illegals coming in. if this is such a great idea, should not all ports of entry/border states jump on this bandwagon? is Arizona and Texas the only state beset with crime and drugs?

Posted 4/29/10 12:36 PM
 

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I would think the right to ask for proof of legal status, would be enforced, as the right of an officer to search, say your car, with reasonable cause. I would think that you would need "reasonable cause" to do so and it would have to hold up in court.

If however, if reasonable cause is not used and IS a pre-requisite and it becomes a profiling situation on someone who is here legally....by all means I encourage them to take it to court.

I hope the situation below never occurs......bc I hope it does not become a profiling situation but.....

If one person who is here illegally, is asked to show proof, even without reasonable cause......it would bother me to take it to our courts and make a human rights violation out of it bc you are not here legally and therefore do not have rights here and are not protected by our laws. If you cant live by them, do not expect them to protect you. You cant have your cake and eat it too. Nothing bothers me more than illegal residents complaining and protesting our government and how certain policies are unfair to them.

Im such a bleeding heart liberal on all issues except immigration, I swing WAY to the other side when it comes to this. To me its a matter of outright disrespect for our laws and our country. My dads family immigrated here from Europe 4 generations ago and worked very very hard to get here legally, and do it the RIGHT way. They were proud to become Americans and live under our laws, pay our taxes....etc. They did not come over here and take advantage of our systems. So I understand wanting a better life for your family.....thats what my great grandparents wanted for us.....and they achieved...but legally.

All in all though, I think the purpose of such an extreme bill though was to be used as a wakeup call to the federal govt for whom for years have ignored both democratic and republican concerns for our southern borders.

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Posted 4/29/10 12:40 PM
 

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Re: Speaking of racial profiling...

Posted by Ophelia

Posted by annoyedTTCer

Posted by mommy2Alex

Posted by maybesoon

Posted by headoverheels


I also don't see why people compare this to Germany?



Me either.Chat Icon The Jewish people of Germany were citizens who were discriminated against. Here we are talking about illegal immigrants.



THANK YOU!




it's not a comparison of the people, it's a comparison of the law.


in this country, we the people do not consider one person above another. ALL PEOPLE on our SOIL are afforded Due Process.

as a person in law enforcement for the federal govt, it is my JOB to report any person believed to be or known to be illegal. I have to document EVERY person I know to be legal or I could lose my job.

there is the right thing, and then there is a way to go about doing it.

the Mexican border is certainly not the only border area with illegals coming in. if this is such a great idea, should not all ports of entry/border states jump on this bandwagon? is Arizona and Texas the only state beset with crime and drugs?




I don't believe non-citizens are protected by our constitution

Big deal, people report them as being here illegally but then the gov lets them walk free instead of sending them home.

California is about to go belly up beacuse of the strain these people put on their resources, maybe one day they'll wake up and protect themselves

Posted 4/29/10 1:34 PM
 

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Re: Speaking of racial profiling...

Posted by Ophelia

the problem is HOW DO THEY KNOW who is illegal or not solely based on looking at them.

what honestly, white people, are failing to realize is that skin color or any other ethnically identifying markers can now be used to make someone reasonably suspicious.

oh, and maybe accents if they are asked to speak.

which I don't have to point out that totally LEGAL residents can possess.

I get that something has to be done. I understand the danger that our border patrol officers (and well as all other arms of law enforcement) are under.

part of my work for YEARS dealt with the incredible jump in deportation and illegal cases the Federal Govt was dealing with. but they ARE dealing with it.

this is just NOT the way. we cannot turn a blind eye to the fact that there ARE still racists people in the world, and the idea that they could use this law as an excuse to perpetrate their racism is BEYOND unconstitutional.

we have a constutition and STANDARDS that set up apart from other countries. this law debases us. we cannot if we truly love and respect the fibers of our society allow something like this.

and as for the comment that they don't want to press a button for english...that is just an example of how closed minded some people can be. we are a GLOBAL community now...people actually VISIT here and use the phone too. Chat Icon

and it IS possible to become a citizen and still prefer and be more inclined to understand better your native tongue.




Perfectly said! The first line of this post is the biggest problem...I can see this slippery slope leading to harrassment/embarassment

We need to do a better job protecting our borders and making the process of legalization actually work, and not backed up the way it is now...and comparing this to when older generations came over is apples and oranges...totally different time/population

Posted 4/29/10 1:42 PM
 

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Re: Speaking of racial profiling...

Posted by brownie

Posted by Ophelia





We need to do a better job protecting our borders and making the process of legalization actually work, and not backed up the way it is now...and comparing this to when older generations came over is apples and oranges...totally different time/population



why is it so different?

Posted 4/29/10 1:46 PM
 

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Re: Speaking of racial profiling...

This law will just perpetuate the racisim that is alive and well.

Yes something needs to be done, but come on, this is not the way to do it.

It grates on my nerves the way *some* people refer to "illegals".

Like anyone here hopped off the Nina, the Pinta or the f&!king Santa Maria Chat Icon

Posted 4/29/10 1:53 PM
 

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Re: Speaking of racial profiling...

Posted by annoyedTTCer

California is about to go belly up beacuse of the strain these people put on their resources...




Um, ever heard of a little scandal called Enron? Pretty sure that was a BIG part of CA's current problems.

I'm not excusing anyone's illegal presence in our country, but to make blanket statements that insinuate that our country is going to h-e-double hockey sticks b/c of this ONE issue is complete and utter nonsense. We have a lot of challenges right now. Illegal immigration is a big one that needs addressing.

But instead of passing laws that most likely will lead to profiling, we should be focusing on fixing problems in the system like filling vacancies in the nation's immigration courts.

Posted 4/29/10 1:56 PM
 

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Re: Speaking of racial profiling...

Posted by DiamondGirl

This law will just perpetuate the racisim that is alive and well.

Yes something needs to be done, but come on, this is not the way to do it.

It grates on my nerves the way *some* people refer to "illegals".

Like anyone here hopped off the Nina, the Pinta or the f&!king Santa Maria Chat Icon





So should we just let people come in and out of the country as they please?

There are too many illegal immigrants in our country and honestly, we make it too easy for people to come here illegally and stay. They know they can still get health care and schooling for their children.

When my grandparents and great-grandparents came here they didnt speak a word of English...but they learned real quick. They didn't offer ESL in schools like they do now which is ridiculous!

Posted 4/29/10 2:03 PM
 

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Re: Speaking of racial profiling...

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This law will just perpetuate the racisim that is alive and well.

Yes something needs to be done, but come on, this is not the way to do it.

It grates on my nerves the way *some* people refer to "illegals".

Like anyone here hopped off the Nina, the Pinta or the f&!king Santa Maria Chat Icon





So should we just let people come in and out of the country as they please?

There are too many illegal immigrants in our country and honestly, we make it too easy for people to come here illegally and stay. They know they can still get health care and schooling for their children.

When my grandparents and great-grandparents came here they didnt speak a word of English...but they learned real quick. They didn't offer ESL in schools like they do now which is ridiculous!



I am not going to go back and forth with you.

The fact that you think ESL is ridiculous shows me that you and I will never agree or understand one and other.

So I am replying to say, Iread your reply, and I disagree.

Posted 4/29/10 2:05 PM
 

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Re: Speaking of racial profiling...

Posted by jellybean1420

Posted by DiamondGirl

This law will just perpetuate the racisim that is alive and well.

Yes something needs to be done, but come on, this is not the way to do it.

It grates on my nerves the way *some* people refer to "illegals".

Like anyone here hopped off the Nina, the Pinta or the f&!king Santa Maria Chat Icon





They didn't offer ESL in schools like they do now which is ridiculous!



WOW...just wow

Just an FYI

from wikipedia

English is the de facto national language of the United States, with 82% of the population claiming it as a mother tongue, and some 96% claiming to speak it "well" or "very well".[3] However, no official language exists at the Federal level



Posted 4/29/10 2:15 PM
 

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Re: Speaking of racial profiling...

Posted by DiamondGirl

I am not going to go back and forth with you.

The fact that you think ESL is ridiculous shows me that you and I will never agree or understand one and other.

So I am replying to say, Iread your reply, and I disagree.




I should have phrased my response differently.

I understand children come to this country and do no speak English. If they are here legally, they are entitled to an education and that includes ESL to teach them English. I know alot of these childrens parents dont speak english at home and this is their only way to learn.

I have a problem with people abusing what we offer them.



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Posted 4/29/10 2:20 PM
 

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Re: Speaking of racial profiling...

Posted by jellybean1420

So should we just let people come in and out of the country as they please?

There are too many illegal immigrants in our country and honestly, we make it too easy for people to come here illegally and stay. They know they can still get health care and schooling for their children.

When my grandparents and great-grandparents came here they didnt speak a word of English...but they learned real quick. They didn't offer ESL in schools like they do now which is ridiculous!



Can I ask...bc I agree with most of what you say.... Wouldnt it be better to offer ESL in schools so people who do come here and want to "assimilate" into the culture, even if its just learning to speak English, is accessible to them? I think if you come here legally, like our grandparents did, that since our schools are taught in English, our colleges and our workplace is mostly in English, that it would be an asset to legal immigrants to help them make a better life for them and their families to be able to easily communicate with the native population, even obtain a better education?

The only reason they didnt offer it during the times of Ellis Island is bc it didnt exist yet, but neither did school sytems like we have today.

Posted 4/29/10 2:20 PM
 

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Re: Speaking of racial profiling...

Posted by eddiesmommy

Posted by jellybean1420

So should we just let people come in and out of the country as they please?

There are too many illegal immigrants in our country and honestly, we make it too easy for people to come here illegally and stay. They know they can still get health care and schooling for their children.

When my grandparents and great-grandparents came here they didnt speak a word of English...but they learned real quick. They didn't offer ESL in schools like they do now which is ridiculous!



Can I ask...bc I agree with most of what you say.... Wouldnt it be better to offer ESL in schools so people who do come here and want to "assimilate" into the culture, even if its just learning to speak English, is accessible to them? I think if you come here legally, like our grandparents did, that since our schools are taught in English, our colleges and our workplace is mostly in English, that it would be an asset to legal immigrants to help them make a better life for them and their families to be able to easily communicate with the native population, even obtain a better education?

The only reason they didnt offer it during the times of Ellis Island is bc it didnt exist yet, but neither did school sytems like we have today.




I answered your question in the post above.


I should have phrased my response differently.

I understand children come to this country and do not speak English. If they are here legally, they are entitled to an education and that includes ESL to teach them English. I know alot of these childrens parents dont speak english at home and this is their only way to learn.

I have a problem with people abusing what we offer them.



ETA: The point behind my initial statement of ESL being ridiculous was not meant to say the program was ridiculous...but the rate at which the program is growing is ridiculous because it shows our immigration population is growing tremendously. We are letting too many new people into this country and IMO cant handle anymore.

I am not against immigration...all of my ancestors were immigrants. All of your ancestors were as well. That's obviously how we all got here.

But we need to focus on the people that are in this country right now and deal with the problems we have. We have children currently legally living in the US that dont have books to read, food on their table, health care and the list goes on. Look at what happened with Katrina??? We couldnt even take care of our own people living in this country...many who died because we couldnt respond quick enough. Yet, we keep letting more people into the country. Our systems are bursting at the seams. I think we need to "close our doors" so to speak until we get our country out of the mess it's in and take care of the people who are here first. People come here hoping for a better life for their families, meanwhile the families here are losing their jobs, homes and the clothes on their backs.

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Posted 4/29/10 2:24 PM
 

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Re: Speaking of racial profiling...

I think many of us should be thanking our lucky stars that our families came BEFORE immigration laws were enacted.

and yes, ANY person on ANY form of US soil is granted equal protection under the law.

the insinuation that illegals are the biggest reason for our woes is LAUGHABLE and to our peril. it is a scapegoat.

and don't get me started on speaking english. have you ever read a thread on here? shoot, reading this post should give you an indication on the fluency of english in this country.

and I was definAtely born here.

and to those who keep saying the Fed has to do something...that clearly shows me you know nothing of the actual immigration situation in the fed or what has been happening over the last few years, especially with the deluge experienced in the 2nd circuit a few years ago.

but this isn't about the illegals.

this is about AMERICANS and OUR JUSTICE SYSTEM. and how we go about getting "justice" and upholding the law.

Posted 4/29/10 2:35 PM
 

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Re: Speaking of racial profiling...

Posted by Ophelia

and yes, ANY person on ANY form of US soil is granted equal protection under the law.





I agree with this statement completely.

And in response to the original post, I do not agree with the bill (I know, I probably shocked some of you, I'm really not a terrible person Chat Icon).

I do not agree with a cop stopping a person randomly on the street asking for legal documentation based solely on their skin color or accent.

Posted 4/29/10 2:47 PM
 

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(I know, I probably shocked some of you, I'm really not a terrible person Chat Icon).




it has nothing to do with being a good or bad person. Chat Icon

I am sure lefty serial killers abound Chat Icon Chat Icon Chat Icon Chat Icon

Posted 4/29/10 2:51 PM
 

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Re: Speaking of racial profiling...

Posted by jellybean1420

Posted by Ophelia

and yes, ANY person on ANY form of US soil is granted equal protection under the law.





I agree with this statement completely.

And in response to the original post, I do not agree with the bill (I know, I probably shocked some of you, I'm really not a terrible person Chat Icon).

I do not agree with a cop stopping a person randomly on the street asking for legal documentation based solely on their skin color or accent.




Yes and this is what I have a problem with...

remember when someone posted on here, they racially profiled a man for praying on a train

I do not want to give authority to local police to question whomever they think seems "suspect" ...I can see the word suspect translating to different

Posted 4/29/10 2:52 PM
 

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Re: Speaking of racial profiling...

Posted by brownie

Posted by jellybean1420

Posted by Ophelia

and yes, ANY person on ANY form of US soil is granted equal protection under the law.





I agree with this statement completely.

And in response to the original post, I do not agree with the bill (I know, I probably shocked some of you, I'm really not a terrible person Chat Icon).

I do not agree with a cop stopping a person randomly on the street asking for legal documentation based solely on their skin color or accent.




Yes and this is what I have a problem with...

remember when someone posted on here, they racially profiled a man for praying on a train

I do not want to give authority to local police to question whomever they think seems "suspect" ...I can see the word suspect translating to different




Unfortunately police walk a fine line today. If they see someone who may "look" suspicious and they stop them to question them, they get accused of racial profiling. If they see someone and dont stop them and than something happens, everyone wants to know why they didnt stop them to begin with.

My husband is a cop and he deals with this daily. I tell him to use his instincts. He has been a cop for 10+ years. He said almost every time he arrests someone now there is someone standing their with their camera phone taping it waiting for the next Sean Bell case. Cops are afraid to do their jobs now because of the backlash. That's why crimes rates are up again in the city. LI cops dont get targeted like city cops do.

ETA: And maybe this is a question some of the legal guru's on here can answer Chat Icon

I asked my husband if it is illegal for a civilian to video tape a cop arresting someone. He said no. I dont see how that is not an invasion of privacy of #1 the person being arrested or #2 the cop. Plus, cops arrest some pretty dangerous people who sometimes find their way out of jail. I know I dont want my husbands face on youtube. And it has happened...my husbands works with people it has happened too.

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Posted 4/29/10 2:58 PM
 

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Re: Speaking of racial profiling...

Posted by Ophelia


and to those who keep saying the Fed has to do something...that clearly shows me you know nothing of the actual immigration situation in the fed or what has been happening over the last few years, especially with the deluge experienced in the 2nd circuit a few years ago.




Thats not necessarily true....I dont know what your specifically speaking of in regards to the 2nd circuit, but Im assuming its related to the BIA, policy and procedure reform due to its overwhelming influx of appeals over the last decade.

I still think that the federal government needs to get their act together on an Immigration Bill, they attempted and failed in 2007 and that has only let the problem escalate.

I also think, that the National Guard needs to be at OUR borders, particularly in Texas and Arizona...where law enforcement are in danger, they are outnumbered and outgunned by cartels who have no regard for their life. So much so, that there are grass root organizations of civilians taking to our borders, doing the job the federal government should be doing (or should have done) in the first place. The violence of border countries are spilling into the streets of ours....I say get the national guard down there first and foremost.

Not to mention a sweeping bill could eliminate clearly misguided state acts like Arizona's. The courts allow for states to enact their own immigration laws as long as they do not conflict with a direct federal law. (which yes, this bill probably does) An immigration bill that finally gets passed in the senate and addresses these issues would eliminate the need for a state to enact such drastic measures to do what it feels necessary to protect itself from the worst of the worst.

I think Arizona's bill (while it obviously does affect all illegal immigrants) was a reaction to make its borders safer, and not from mothers wanting better lives for their children, but from cartels and mules. People in drastic situations, who feel like they've been backed into a corner will take drastic measures when their safety is at stake. I can't say that if I lived in a crime and violence ridden border town as a result of lax immigration laws and border control, that I wouldn't support this bill as is.

Its easy for me to say that it's constitutionally wrong, that it gives way to racism and profiling......when my immediate safety isn't at stake on a daily basis. I don't agree with the bill, but I cant blame them.

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Posted 4/29/10 3:37 PM
 

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Re: Speaking of racial profiling...

Posted by DiamondGirl

This law will just perpetuate the racisim that is alive and well.

Yes something needs to be done, but come on, this is not the way to do it.

It grates on my nerves the way *some* people refer to "illegals".

Like anyone here hopped off the Nina, the Pinta or the f&!king Santa Maria Chat Icon



I don't think any of them filled out the proper paperwork with the Native American's, either... Chat Icon Chat Icon

Posted 4/29/10 3:59 PM
 

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Re: Speaking of racial profiling...

Posted by Ophelia

the problem is HOW DO THEY KNOW who is illegal or not solely based on looking at them.

what honestly, white people, are failing to realize is that skin color or any other ethnically identifying markers can now be used to make someone reasonably suspicious.

oh, and maybe accents if they are asked to speak.

which I don't have to point out that totally LEGAL residents can possess.

I get that something has to be done. I understand the danger that our border patrol officers (and well as all other arms of law enforcement) are under.

part of my work for YEARS dealt with the incredible jump in deportation and illegal cases the Federal Govt was dealing with. but they ARE dealing with it.

this is just NOT the way. we cannot turn a blind eye to the fact that there ARE still racists people in the world, and the idea that they could use this law as an excuse to perpetrate their racism is BEYOND unconstitutional.

we have a constutition and STANDARDS that set up apart from other countries. this law debases us. we cannot if we truly love and respect the fibers of our society allow something like this.

and as for the comment that they don't want to press a button for english...that is just an example of how closed minded some people can be. we are a GLOBAL community now...people actually VISIT here and use the phone too. Chat Icon

and it IS possible to become a citizen and still prefer and be more inclined to understand better your native tongue.


I couldn't agree with you more....
I am a Caucasian female from former SU. I have an olive complexion, very black hair and dark eyes. I can easily be mistaken and often AM mistaken for a Middle Eastern person and I am asked if I'm Persian, Iraqi,,Turkish, Israeli, Palestinian, even Indian ..... the list goes on. PLUS I have a slight accent. I am constantly stopped at airports and checked and let me tell you , it's torture, and it's even worse when people start staring , looking at you like you've done something terrible, it's extremely embarrassing and a bit scary. So if tomorrow they decided to stop Middle Eastern people on the streets and check their papers I am sure I would be stopped AT LEAST once a week and things would get bad for me , and all just based on my looks, even though I will be an American citizen in few months.

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