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windyweather21
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Rare but we need to have an emergency meeting

Hmmm. If it’s so rare then why an emergency meeting?

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/covid-19-vaccine-cdc-meeting-myocarditis-heart-inflammation/

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Posted 6/11/21 1:25 PM
 
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klingklang77
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Re: Rare but we need to have an emergency meeting

Are you trying to influence people to not get the vaccine on here or something?

You seem to be awfully invested in and passionate about this topic. Maybe write letters to your representatives and make your voice heard or something bigger than LIF.

Posted 6/11/21 2:17 PM
 

windyweather21
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Re: Rare but we need to have an emergency meeting

SMH.
This is a news story that came out and I think it is quite important. I know everyone wants to brush off anything that sounds like there could be a problem but people SHOULD be aware of the issues happening.

Posted 6/11/21 2:52 PM
 

mommy2devin
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Re: Rare but we need to have an emergency meeting

And yet, nobody is posting every time a healthy person is hospitalized or dies of COVID to try to convince YOU or scare YOU into getting a vaccine that you are so vehemently against. Leave people alone.

Posted 6/11/21 2:54 PM
 

Straightarrow
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Re: Rare but we need to have an emergency meeting

Posted by windyweather21

SMH.
This is a news story that came out and I think it is quite important. I know everyone wants to brush off anything that sounds like there could be a problem but people SHOULD be aware of the issues happening.



But you don't post about Covid long haulers, do you?

Posted 6/11/21 3:05 PM
 

windyweather21
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Re: Rare but we need to have an emergency meeting

Posted by Straightarrow

Posted by windyweather21

SMH.
This is a news story that came out and I think it is quite important. I know everyone wants to brush off anything that sounds like there could be a problem but people SHOULD be aware of the issues happening.



But you don't post about Covid long haulers, do you?



Do you want me too? I have a friend who is one. Enough that she had to quit her job and all other things she had going on professionally. Not sure what the point is as I know many have issues after.

I don’t care if you get the vaccine but you should be aware of the issues coming up that maybe it can safe your life or someone else’s.
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Posted 6/11/21 3:11 PM
 

chilltocam
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Re: Rare but we need to have an emergency meeting

Posted by windyweather21

Posted by Straightarrow

Posted by windyweather21

SMH.
This is a news story that came out and I think it is quite important. I know everyone wants to brush off anything that sounds like there could be a problem but people SHOULD be aware of the issues happening.



But you don't post about Covid long haulers, do you?



Do you want me too? I have a friend who is one. Enough that she had to quit her job and all other things she had going on professionally. Not sure what the point is as I know many have issues after.

I don’t care if you get the vaccine but you should be aware of the issues coming up that maybe it can safe your life or someone else’s.
Shame on me for forwarding important information. Chat Icon



Except that all of your posts are one sided. All anti-vax, anti-mask, anti-distancing etc. You OBVIOUSLY have your opinion and will "fight to the death" anyone who has a different opinion or questions your posts. Yes, why don't you post about the long term effects of covid that many people are now suffering from? Because that wouldn't fit your narrative, that's why.

Posted 6/11/21 3:17 PM
 

windyweather21
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Re: Rare but we need to have an emergency meeting

Posted by chilltocam

Posted by windyweather21

Posted by Straightarrow

Posted by windyweather21

SMH.
This is a news story that came out and I think it is quite important. I know everyone wants to brush off anything that sounds like there could be a problem but people SHOULD be aware of the issues happening.



But you don't post about Covid long haulers, do you?



Do you want me too? I have a friend who is one. Enough that she had to quit her job and all other things she had going on professionally. Not sure what the point is as I know many have issues after.

I don’t care if you get the vaccine but you should be aware of the issues coming up that maybe it can safe your life or someone else’s.
Shame on me for forwarding important information. Chat Icon



Except that all of your posts are one sided. All anti-vax, anti-mask, anti-distancing etc. You OBVIOUSLY have your opinion and will "fight to the death" anyone who has a different opinion or questions your posts. Yes, why don't you post about the long term effects of covid that many people are now suffering from? Because that wouldn't fit your narrative, that's why.



I never once denied any long term effects of Covid so not sure why you are coming at me about that.
Once again, sigh, I do as I am told and honestly would LOVE the social distancing in stores to stay.
I have friends and family who have had Covid, had after effects, ones who got vaccines with and without after effects.
I have no narrative but you can’t deny that there are issues after vaccines and while it might not have happened to anyone you know, they think it is important enough to have an emergency meeting.

Posted 6/11/21 3:21 PM
 

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Rare but we need to have an emergency meeting

It appears that vaccines, medication, alcohol use, smoking cigarettes, and driving cars all.have some kind of risk associated with them. Crazy!!

Posted 6/11/21 5:22 PM
 

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Re: Rare but we need to have an emergency meeting

My DH has pericarditis. Something to keep in mind here is that COVID itself can aggravate this condition.

My DH was hospitalized because of his pericarditis that was aggravated as the result of a virus (this was long, long before COVID). He had said some slight chest discomfort after the vaccine. This is obviously anecdotal, but we'd rather slight chest discomfort than hospitalization!

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Posted 6/11/21 5:28 PM
 

Hofstra26
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Re: Rare but we need to have an emergency meeting

Posted by chilltocam

Posted by windyweather21

Posted by Straightarrow

Posted by windyweather21

SMH.
This is a news story that came out and I think it is quite important. I know everyone wants to brush off anything that sounds like there could be a problem but people SHOULD be aware of the issues happening.



But you don't post about Covid long haulers, do you?



Do you want me too? I have a friend who is one. Enough that she had to quit her job and all other things she had going on professionally. Not sure what the point is as I know many have issues after.

I don’t care if you get the vaccine but you should be aware of the issues coming up that maybe it can safe your life or someone else’s.
Shame on me for forwarding important information. Chat Icon



Except that all of your posts are one sided. All anti-vax, anti-mask, anti-distancing etc. You OBVIOUSLY have your opinion and will "fight to the death" anyone who has a different opinion or questions your posts. Yes, why don't you post about the long term effects of covid that many people are now suffering from? Because that wouldn't fit your narrative, that's why.



Chat Icon Chat Icon Chat Icon Chat Icon Exactly.

God forbid she posts about the MILLIONS upon MILLIONS of people who have received the vaccine over the last 6-8 months and have had NO issues. God forbid she post anything about the countless MILLIONS who have avoided getting COVID, avoided having serious complications from COVID and avoided dying thanks to the vaccine.

These fear mongering threads about the vaccine from the few who refuse to get it are getting so old. Don't get the vaccine, that's fine, but for the love of God stop constantly ranting about it. Chat Icon How many fcuking threads do we need about vaccines and masks. What's to say anymore?



Posted 6/11/21 6:29 PM
 

windyweather21
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Re: Rare but we need to have an emergency meeting

Posted by oldtimerocknroll

My DH has pericarditis. Something to keep in mind here is that COVID itself can aggravate this condition.

My DH was hospitalized because of his pericarditis that was aggravated as the result of a virus (this was long, long before COVID). He had said some slight chest discomfort after the vaccine. This is obviously anecdotal, but we'd rather slight chest discomfort than hospitalization!



So sorry as that is scary.

Posted 6/11/21 7:35 PM
 

windyweather21
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Re: Rare but we need to have an emergency meeting

Posted by Hofstra26

Posted by chilltocam

Posted by windyweather21

Posted by Straightarrow

Posted by windyweather21

SMH.
This is a news story that came out and I think it is quite important. I know everyone wants to brush off anything that sounds like there could be a problem but people SHOULD be aware of the issues happening.



But you don't post about Covid long haulers, do you?



Do you want me too? I have a friend who is one. Enough that she had to quit her job and all other things she had going on professionally. Not sure what the point is as I know many have issues after.

I don’t care if you get the vaccine but you should be aware of the issues coming up that maybe it can safe your life or someone else’s.
Shame on me for forwarding important information. Chat Icon



Except that all of your posts are one sided. All anti-vax, anti-mask, anti-distancing etc. You OBVIOUSLY have your opinion and will "fight to the death" anyone who has a different opinion or questions your posts. Yes, why don't you post about the long term effects of covid that many people are now suffering from? Because that wouldn't fit your narrative, that's why.



Chat Icon Chat Icon Chat Icon Chat Icon Exactly.

God forbid she posts about the MILLIONS upon MILLIONS of people who have received the vaccine over the last 6-8 months and have had NO issues. God forbid she post anything about the countless MILLIONS who have avoided getting COVID, avoided having serious complications from COVID and avoided dying thanks to the vaccine.

These fear mongering threads about the vaccine from the few who refuse to get it are getting so old. Don't get the vaccine, that's fine, but for the love of God stop constantly ranting about it. Chat Icon How many fcuking threads do we need about vaccines and masks. What's to say anymore?






You know you don’t have to open a thread that might annoy you let alone post to it.

Posted 6/11/21 7:36 PM
 

Hofstra26
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Re: Rare but we need to have an emergency meeting

Posted by mommy2devin

And yet, nobody is posting every time a healthy person is hospitalized or dies of COVID to try to convince YOU or scare YOU into getting a vaccine that you are so vehemently against. Leave people alone.



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Posted 6/11/21 8:22 PM
 

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Re: Rare but we need to have an emergency meeting

There's no denying that the vaccine is incredibly effective. Rates have gone down incredibly. Alas, everything in life has side effects. It's a benefit cost ratio that everyone has to decide on for themselves. Preaching one way or the other is useless to those already convinced of their position.

Live and let live.

Posted 6/11/21 10:34 PM
 

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Re: Rare but we need to have an emergency meeting

There's no denying that the vaccine is incredibly effective. Rates have gone down incredibly. Alas, everything in life has side effects. It's a benefit cost ratio that everyone has to decide on for themselves. Preaching one way or the other is useless to those already convinced of their position.

Live and let live.


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Posted 6/12/21 7:09 AM
 

windyweather21
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Re: Rare but we need to have an emergency meeting

Posted by Christine2

There's no denying that the vaccine is incredibly effective. Rates have gone down incredibly. Alas, everything in life has side effects. It's a benefit cost ratio that everyone has to decide on for themselves. Preaching one way or the other is useless to those already convinced of their position.

Live and let live.



Agreed. No preaching, just sharing important news :)

Posted 6/12/21 8:02 AM
 

itsbabytime
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Re: Rare but we need to have an emergency meeting

Posted by Christine2

There's no denying that the vaccine is incredibly effective. Rates have gone down incredibly. Alas, everything in life has side effects. It's a benefit cost ratio that everyone has to decide on for themselves. Preaching one way or the other is useless to those already convinced of their position.

Live and let live.



I want to start off by saying that I hope and pray that the vaccine is effective and leads to an end to this pandemic. But that said, I really don’t think your post is on point. Everyone knew case numbers were going to drop dramatically as we head into summer and continuing though summer and early fall. It happened last year with no vaccine where we saw numbers in the summer below 1 percent. It happens also with the flu. Correlation does not mean causation. I don’t think we can attribute the lower case numbers to the vaccines fully at this point. Especially since there have been tens of thousands of “breakthrough cases” - so so many that the CDC has stopped counting them. Additionally, much research has come out that many individuals who receive the vaccine have little to no immunity because of pre- existing conditions, medications, genetic reasons etc so there are likely thousands walking around thinking they are fully immune and they are not. The TRUE test of the vaccine will be this winter. Then we will know for sure how effective it is.

Does that mean people shouldn’t get it or that it doesn’t work at all- definitely not. Everyone has to do what they are comfortable with as in this early stage of the vaccine trials it’s still a learning process and everyone has to weigh the risks for themselves.

I had not seen this particular article and was thankful it was posted. I am a person that needs to fully research something and weigh the pros and cons. For me, this is helpful especially in deciding whether to give the vaccine to my kids. It also brings to light there is more we will learn about the side effects of the vaccine in the days and months and years ahead. No one can say they got the vaccine and they are fine because you really don’t know that yet. But the exact same thing can be said about covid-19! That’s what makes this such a tough decision. I see it as lose lose and I think we should respect everyone’s decisions on both sides both vaccinated and unvaccinated as there isn’t an easy choice here.

Posted 6/12/21 8:58 AM
 

windyweather21
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Re: Rare but we need to have an emergency meeting

Posted by itsbabytime

Posted by Christine2

There's no denying that the vaccine is incredibly effective. Rates have gone down incredibly. Alas, everything in life has side effects. It's a benefit cost ratio that everyone has to decide on for themselves. Preaching one way or the other is useless to those already convinced of their position.

Live and let live.



I want to start off by saying that I hope and pray that the vaccine is effective and leads to an end to this pandemic. But that said, I really don’t think your post is on point. Everyone knew case numbers were going to drop dramatically as we head into summer and continuing though summer and early fall. It happened last year with no vaccine where we saw numbers in the summer below 1 percent. It happens also with the flu. Correlation does not mean causation. I don’t think we can attribute the lower case numbers to the vaccines fully at this point. Especially since there have been tens of thousands of “breakthrough cases” - so so many that the CDC has stopped counting them. Additionally, much research has come out that many individuals who receive the vaccine have little to no immunity because of pre- existing conditions, medications, genetic reasons etc so there are likely thousands walking around thinking they are fully immune and they are not. The TRUE test of the vaccine will be this winter. Then we will know for sure how effective it is.

Does that mean people shouldn’t get it or that it doesn’t work at all- definitely not. Everyone has to do what they are comfortable with as in this early stage of the vaccine trials it’s still a learning process and everyone has to weigh the risks for themselves.

I had not seen this particular article and was thankful it was posted. I am a person that needs to fully research something and weigh the pros and cons. For me, this is helpful especially in deciding whether to give the vaccine to my kids. It also brings to light there is more we will learn about the side effects of the vaccine in the days and months and years ahead. No one can say they got the vaccine and they are fine because you really don’t know that yet. But the exact same thing can be said about covid-19! That’s what makes this such a tough decision. I see it as lose lose and I think we should respect everyone’s decisions on both sides both vaccinated and unvaccinated as there isn’t an easy choice here.



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Posted 6/12/21 9:22 AM
 

Hofstra26
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Re: Rare but we need to have an emergency meeting

Posted by itsbabytime

Posted by Christine2

There's no denying that the vaccine is incredibly effective. Rates have gone down incredibly. Alas, everything in life has side effects. It's a benefit cost ratio that everyone has to decide on for themselves. Preaching one way or the other is useless to those already convinced of their position.

Live and let live.



I want to start off by saying that I hope and pray that the vaccine is effective and leads to an end to this pandemic. But that said, I really don’t think your post is on point. Everyone knew case numbers were going to drop dramatically as we head into summer and continuing though summer and early fall. It happened last year with no vaccine where we saw numbers in the summer below 1 percent. It happens also with the flu. Correlation does not mean causation. I don’t think we can attribute the lower case numbers to the vaccines fully at this point. Especially since there have been tens of thousands of “breakthrough cases” - so so many that the CDC has stopped counting them. Additionally, much research has come out that many individuals who receive the vaccine have little to no immunity because of pre- existing conditions, medications, genetic reasons etc so there are likely thousands walking around thinking they are fully immune and they are not. The TRUE test of the vaccine will be this winter. Then we will know for sure how effective it is.

Does that mean people shouldn’t get it or that it doesn’t work at all- definitely not. Everyone has to do what they are comfortable with as in this early stage of the vaccine trials it’s still a learning process and everyone has to weigh the risks for themselves.

I had not seen this particular article and was thankful it was posted. I am a person that needs to fully research something and weigh the pros and cons. For me, this is helpful especially in deciding whether to give the vaccine to my kids. It also brings to light there is more we will learn about the side effects of the vaccine in the days and months and years ahead. No one can say they got the vaccine and they are fine because you really don’t know that yet. But the exact same thing can be said about covid-19! That’s what makes this such a tough decision. I see it as lose lose and I think we should respect everyone’s decisions on both sides both vaccinated and unvaccinated as there isn’t an easy choice here.



It's odd to me that people are STILL trying to push the narrative that the vaccine hasn't yet been impactful or that it "might not be effective". It really just doesn't make any sense, statistics and science indicate otherwise.

That aside, I agree that getting the vaccine is a choice and everyone has to weigh the risks for themselves. I just wish the fear mongering and grasping at straws for anything to disprove the efficacy of the vaccine would stop from those who don't want to get it. It's an unproductive, relentless argument that goes in circles.

Posted 6/12/21 9:33 AM
 

windyweather21
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Re: Rare but we need to have an emergency meeting

Posted by Hofstra26

Posted by itsbabytime

Posted by Christine2

There's no denying that the vaccine is incredibly effective. Rates have gone down incredibly. Alas, everything in life has side effects. It's a benefit cost ratio that everyone has to decide on for themselves. Preaching one way or the other is useless to those already convinced of their position.

Live and let live.



I want to start off by saying that I hope and pray that the vaccine is effective and leads to an end to this pandemic. But that said, I really don’t think your post is on point. Everyone knew case numbers were going to drop dramatically as we head into summer and continuing though summer and early fall. It happened last year with no vaccine where we saw numbers in the summer below 1 percent. It happens also with the flu. Correlation does not mean causation. I don’t think we can attribute the lower case numbers to the vaccines fully at this point. Especially since there have been tens of thousands of “breakthrough cases” - so so many that the CDC has stopped counting them. Additionally, much research has come out that many individuals who receive the vaccine have little to no immunity because of pre- existing conditions, medications, genetic reasons etc so there are likely thousands walking around thinking they are fully immune and they are not. The TRUE test of the vaccine will be this winter. Then we will know for sure how effective it is.

Does that mean people shouldn’t get it or that it doesn’t work at all- definitely not. Everyone has to do what they are comfortable with as in this early stage of the vaccine trials it’s still a learning process and everyone has to weigh the risks for themselves.

I had not seen this particular article and was thankful it was posted. I am a person that needs to fully research something and weigh the pros and cons. For me, this is helpful especially in deciding whether to give the vaccine to my kids. It also brings to light there is more we will learn about the side effects of the vaccine in the days and months and years ahead. No one can say they got the vaccine and they are fine because you really don’t know that yet. But the exact same thing can be said about covid-19! That’s what makes this such a tough decision. I see it as lose lose and I think we should respect everyone’s decisions on both sides both vaccinated and unvaccinated as there isn’t an easy choice here.



It's odd to me that people are STILL trying to push the narrative that the vaccine hasn't yet been impactful or that it "might not be effective". It really just doesn't make any sense, statistics and science indicate otherwise.

That aside, I agree that getting the vaccine is a choice and everyone has to weigh the risks for themselves. I just wish the fear mongering and grasping at straws for anything to disprove the efficacy of the vaccine would stop from those who don't want to get it. It's an unproductive, relentless argument that goes in circles.



The problem is that many think people are trying to tell others NOT to get it with news like this. This is from the CDC, not just an individual person.

Posted 6/12/21 10:09 AM
 

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Rare but we need to have an emergency meeting

Last year our numbers were low, in part, to continued social distancing, restrictions, and mask mandates. Children were not in school, restaurants were still either only outdoors or extremely limited indoors. This year, cases have plummeted even though we are reopening, lifting capacity restrictions, and lifting mask mandates. The vaccine has been PROVEN to work, in clinical trials and now in real time. It doesn't mean everyone should be forced to get it. One can still not want to get it while acknowledging its effectiveness.

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Posted 6/12/21 11:25 AM
 

Hofstra26
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Re: Rare but we need to have an emergency meeting

Posted by Naturalmama

Last year our numbers were low, in part, to continued social distancing, restrictions, and mask mandates. Children were not in school, restaurants were still either only outdoors or extremely limited indoors. This year, cases have plummeted even though we are reopening, lifting capacity restrictions, and lifting mask mandates. The vaccine has been PROVEN to work, in clinical trials and now in real time. It doesn't mean everyone should be forced to get it. One can still not want to get it while acknowledging its effectiveness.



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Posted 6/12/21 11:49 AM
 

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Re: Rare but we need to have an emergency meeting

Posted by Hofstra26

Posted by itsbabytime

Posted by Christine2

There's no denying that the vaccine is incredibly effective. Rates have gone down incredibly. Alas, everything in life has side effects. It's a benefit cost ratio that everyone has to decide on for themselves. Preaching one way or the other is useless to those already convinced of their position.

Live and let live.



I want to start off by saying that I hope and pray that the vaccine is effective and leads to an end to this pandemic. But that said, I really don’t think your post is on point. Everyone knew case numbers were going to drop dramatically as we head into summer and continuing though summer and early fall. It happened last year with no vaccine where we saw numbers in the summer below 1 percent. It happens also with the flu. Correlation does not mean causation. I don’t think we can attribute the lower case numbers to the vaccines fully at this point. Especially since there have been tens of thousands of “breakthrough cases” - so so many that the CDC has stopped counting them. Additionally, much research has come out that many individuals who receive the vaccine have little to no immunity because of pre- existing conditions, medications, genetic reasons etc so there are likely thousands walking around thinking they are fully immune and they are not. The TRUE test of the vaccine will be this winter. Then we will know for sure how effective it is.

Does that mean people shouldn’t get it or that it doesn’t work at all- definitely not. Everyone has to do what they are comfortable with as in this early stage of the vaccine trials it’s still a learning process and everyone has to weigh the risks for themselves.

I had not seen this particular article and was thankful it was posted. I am a person that needs to fully research something and weigh the pros and cons. For me, this is helpful especially in deciding whether to give the vaccine to my kids. It also brings to light there is more we will learn about the side effects of the vaccine in the days and months and years ahead. No one can say they got the vaccine and they are fine because you really don’t know that yet. But the exact same thing can be said about covid-19! That’s what makes this such a tough decision. I see it as lose lose and I think we should respect everyone’s decisions on both sides both vaccinated and unvaccinated as there isn’t an easy choice here.



It's odd to me that people are STILL trying to push the narrative that the vaccine hasn't yet been impactful or that it "might not be effective". It really just doesn't make any sense, statistics and science indicate otherwise.

That aside, I agree that getting the vaccine is a choice and everyone has to weigh the risks for themselves. I just wish the fear mongering and grasping at straws for anything to disprove the efficacy of the vaccine would stop from those who don't want to get it. It's an unproductive, relentless argument that goes in circles.



Considering the great deal of censorship happening in pretty much all avenues, I don’t think “fear mongering” is really coming from those that are questioning this vaccine, or are hesitant in taking it. U rarely hear anything negative about this vaccine, rarely! And as soon as something comes to light (it doesn’t matter who’s bringing it to light, even if it’s by researchers and scientists...how ironic since we all seem to love science so much), it gets brushed under the rug, or it gets automatically dismissed as a “conspiracy theory”. So if anyone wants to share something different from all the peaches and cream we’re constantly hearing about this vaccine, let them.

Message edited 6/12/2021 11:55:50 AM.

Posted 6/12/21 11:54 AM
 

windyweather21
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Re: Rare but we need to have an emergency meeting

Posted by soontobemommyof2

Posted by Hofstra26

Posted by itsbabytime

Posted by Christine2

There's no denying that the vaccine is incredibly effective. Rates have gone down incredibly. Alas, everything in life has side effects. It's a benefit cost ratio that everyone has to decide on for themselves. Preaching one way or the other is useless to those already convinced of their position.

Live and let live.



I want to start off by saying that I hope and pray that the vaccine is effective and leads to an end to this pandemic. But that said, I really don’t think your post is on point. Everyone knew case numbers were going to drop dramatically as we head into summer and continuing though summer and early fall. It happened last year with no vaccine where we saw numbers in the summer below 1 percent. It happens also with the flu. Correlation does not mean causation. I don’t think we can attribute the lower case numbers to the vaccines fully at this point. Especially since there have been tens of thousands of “breakthrough cases” - so so many that the CDC has stopped counting them. Additionally, much research has come out that many individuals who receive the vaccine have little to no immunity because of pre- existing conditions, medications, genetic reasons etc so there are likely thousands walking around thinking they are fully immune and they are not. The TRUE test of the vaccine will be this winter. Then we will know for sure how effective it is.

Does that mean people shouldn’t get it or that it doesn’t work at all- definitely not. Everyone has to do what they are comfortable with as in this early stage of the vaccine trials it’s still a learning process and everyone has to weigh the risks for themselves.

I had not seen this particular article and was thankful it was posted. I am a person that needs to fully research something and weigh the pros and cons. For me, this is helpful especially in deciding whether to give the vaccine to my kids. It also brings to light there is more we will learn about the side effects of the vaccine in the days and months and years ahead. No one can say they got the vaccine and they are fine because you really don’t know that yet. But the exact same thing can be said about covid-19! That’s what makes this such a tough decision. I see it as lose lose and I think we should respect everyone’s decisions on both sides both vaccinated and unvaccinated as there isn’t an easy choice here.



It's odd to me that people are STILL trying to push the narrative that the vaccine hasn't yet been impactful or that it "might not be effective". It really just doesn't make any sense, statistics and science indicate otherwise.

That aside, I agree that getting the vaccine is a choice and everyone has to weigh the risks for themselves. I just wish the fear mongering and grasping at straws for anything to disprove the efficacy of the vaccine would stop from those who don't want to get it. It's an unproductive, relentless argument that goes in circles.



Considering the great deal of censorship happening in pretty much all avenues, I don’t think “fear mongering” is really coming from those that are questioning this vaccine, or are hesitant in taking it. U rarely hear anything negative about this vaccine, rarely! And as soon as something comes to light (it doesn’t matter who’s bringing it to light, even if it’s by researchers and scientists...how ironic since we all seem to love science so much), it gets brushed under the rug, or it gets automatically dismissed as a “conspiracy theory”. So if anyone wants to share something different from all the peaches and cream we’re constantly hearing about this vaccine, let them.



Thank.you. My exact point. They don’t like when something bad is said and dismiss it as “just a few cases”. I don’t think they would have an emergency meeting if they didn’t think it was something to look in to.

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