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Naturalmama
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Rare but we need to have an emergency meeting
I'm not saying people shouldn't know about side effects. Of course they should. But it should be acknowledged that there are MANY positives to this vaccine, along with negatives. It's not all negative. All the people who are so anti-mask, anti-lockdown, are currently enjoying life free of those things BECAUSE of the vaccines. I 100% acknowledge there is a risk with this vaccine, but there is also a risk to COVID. For me, the vaccine carried less risks. For others, they may feel COVID carries less risks.
The only thing that is 100% is that each variant is more contagious, more severe, and efficacy of vaccines drops slightly. That is proven based on the variants that have emerged in the last six months. Vaccination is our only way out of this. If enough people are not vaccinated, life will forever be a constant roller coaster of 10 day quarantines, masks, social distancing, and restrictions.
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Re: Rare but we need to have an emergency meeting
Posted by Naturalmama
I'm not saying people shouldn't know about side effects. Of course they should. But it should be acknowledged that there are MANY positives to this vaccine, along with negatives. It's not all negative. All the people who are so anti-mask, anti-lockdown, are currently enjoying life free of those things BECAUSE of the vaccines. I 100% acknowledge there is a risk with this vaccine, but there is also a risk to COVID. For me, the vaccine carried less risks. For others, they may feel COVID carries less risks.
The only thing that is 100% is that each variant is more contagious, more severe, and efficacy of vaccines drops slightly. That is proven based on the variants that have emerged in the last six months. Vaccination is our only way out of this. If enough people are not vaccinated, life will forever be a constant roller coaster of 10 day quarantines, masks, social distancing, and restrictions.
Funny how other states outside of NY were enjoying the freedom BEFORE the vaccines too.
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| Posted 6/12/21 12:40 PM |
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Re: Rare but we need to have an emergency meeting
Posted by Naturalmama
Last year our numbers were low, in part, to continued social distancing, restrictions, and mask mandates. Children were not in school, restaurants were still either only outdoors or extremely limited indoors. This year, cases have plummeted even though we are reopening, lifting capacity restrictions, and lifting mask mandates. The vaccine has been PROVEN to work, in clinical trials and now in real time. It doesn't mean everyone should be forced to get it. One can still not want to get it while acknowledging its effectiveness.
EXACTLY what I keep saying. To compare last year's numbers going down to this year's numbers going down is just silly. It's apples to oranges when you consider the different circumstances (and also that the numbers never even GOT this low last year).
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Hofstra26
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Re: Rare but we need to have an emergency meeting
Posted by soontobemommyof2
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by itsbabytime
Posted by Christine2
There's no denying that the vaccine is incredibly effective. Rates have gone down incredibly. Alas, everything in life has side effects. It's a benefit cost ratio that everyone has to decide on for themselves. Preaching one way or the other is useless to those already convinced of their position.
Live and let live.
I want to start off by saying that I hope and pray that the vaccine is effective and leads to an end to this pandemic. But that said, I really don’t think your post is on point. Everyone knew case numbers were going to drop dramatically as we head into summer and continuing though summer and early fall. It happened last year with no vaccine where we saw numbers in the summer below 1 percent. It happens also with the flu. Correlation does not mean causation. I don’t think we can attribute the lower case numbers to the vaccines fully at this point. Especially since there have been tens of thousands of “breakthrough cases” - so so many that the CDC has stopped counting them. Additionally, much research has come out that many individuals who receive the vaccine have little to no immunity because of pre- existing conditions, medications, genetic reasons etc so there are likely thousands walking around thinking they are fully immune and they are not. The TRUE test of the vaccine will be this winter. Then we will know for sure how effective it is.
Does that mean people shouldn’t get it or that it doesn’t work at all- definitely not. Everyone has to do what they are comfortable with as in this early stage of the vaccine trials it’s still a learning process and everyone has to weigh the risks for themselves.
I had not seen this particular article and was thankful it was posted. I am a person that needs to fully research something and weigh the pros and cons. For me, this is helpful especially in deciding whether to give the vaccine to my kids. It also brings to light there is more we will learn about the side effects of the vaccine in the days and months and years ahead. No one can say they got the vaccine and they are fine because you really don’t know that yet. But the exact same thing can be said about covid-19! That’s what makes this such a tough decision. I see it as lose lose and I think we should respect everyone’s decisions on both sides both vaccinated and unvaccinated as there isn’t an easy choice here.
It's odd to me that people are STILL trying to push the narrative that the vaccine hasn't yet been impactful or that it "might not be effective". It really just doesn't make any sense, statistics and science indicate otherwise.
That aside, I agree that getting the vaccine is a choice and everyone has to weigh the risks for themselves. I just wish the fear mongering and grasping at straws for anything to disprove the efficacy of the vaccine would stop from those who don't want to get it. It's an unproductive, relentless argument that goes in circles.
Considering the great deal of censorship happening in pretty much all avenues, I don’t think “fear mongering” is really coming from those that are questioning this vaccine, or are hesitant in taking it. U rarely hear anything negative about this vaccine, rarely! And as soon as something comes to light (it doesn’t matter who’s bringing it to light, even if it’s by researchers and scientists...how ironic since we all seem to love science so much), it gets brushed under the rug, or it gets automatically dismissed as a “conspiracy theory”. So if anyone wants to share something different from all the peaches and cream we’re constantly hearing about this vaccine, let them.
Nobody is brushing anything under the rug or being dismissive. Most people have the common sense to understand that some level of severe adverse reactions among very small groups is to be expected. However, there is no sense in focusing too much on the random outliers when the data has shown for months now that MOST people will be fine following their vaccine doses. In fact MILLIONS upon MILLIONS have received their vaccine now with little to no adverse reactions whatsoever. EVERY reaction outside of the norm will be looked into (as it should be) but as it's been stated time and time again, unless these reactions are proven to be from the vaccine specifically and affecting very large swaths of people then they will be considered rare and statistically insignificant. The FACT is, the vaccine thus far has proven to be safe.
Posting links to stories like these in order to justify why you won't take the vaccine while trying to paint it as scary and unsafe is silliness, you simply can't ignore the millions who have been just fine after being vaccinated. There isn't much negative to say about the vaccine because it works and it's gotten us back to normal life. Maybe remember that the next time you're running around mask free with your friends while enjoying your meal at a restaurant operating at full capacity. We wouldn't be where we are right now without the vaccine. That's medical fact.
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| Posted 6/12/21 3:35 PM |
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Re: Rare but we need to have an emergency meeting
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You know you don’t have to open a thread that might annoy you let alone post to it.
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| Posted 6/12/21 3:52 PM |
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KarenK122
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Re: Rare but we need to have an emergency meeting
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by soontobemommyof2
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by itsbabytime
Posted by Christine2
There's no denying that the vaccine is incredibly effective. Rates have gone down incredibly. Alas, everything in life has side effects. It's a benefit cost ratio that everyone has to decide on for themselves. Preaching one way or the other is useless to those already convinced of their position.
Live and let live.
I want to start off by saying that I hope and pray that the vaccine is effective and leads to an end to this pandemic. But that said, I really don’t think your post is on point. Everyone knew case numbers were going to drop dramatically as we head into summer and continuing though summer and early fall. It happened last year with no vaccine where we saw numbers in the summer below 1 percent. It happens also with the flu. Correlation does not mean causation. I don’t think we can attribute the lower case numbers to the vaccines fully at this point. Especially since there have been tens of thousands of “breakthrough cases” - so so many that the CDC has stopped counting them. Additionally, much research has come out that many individuals who receive the vaccine have little to no immunity because of pre- existing conditions, medications, genetic reasons etc so there are likely thousands walking around thinking they are fully immune and they are not. The TRUE test of the vaccine will be this winter. Then we will know for sure how effective it is.
Does that mean people shouldn’t get it or that it doesn’t work at all- definitely not. Everyone has to do what they are comfortable with as in this early stage of the vaccine trials it’s still a learning process and everyone has to weigh the risks for themselves.
I had not seen this particular article and was thankful it was posted. I am a person that needs to fully research something and weigh the pros and cons. For me, this is helpful especially in deciding whether to give the vaccine to my kids. It also brings to light there is more we will learn about the side effects of the vaccine in the days and months and years ahead. No one can say they got the vaccine and they are fine because you really don’t know that yet. But the exact same thing can be said about covid-19! That’s what makes this such a tough decision. I see it as lose lose and I think we should respect everyone’s decisions on both sides both vaccinated and unvaccinated as there isn’t an easy choice here.
It's odd to me that people are STILL trying to push the narrative that the vaccine hasn't yet been impactful or that it "might not be effective". It really just doesn't make any sense, statistics and science indicate otherwise.
That aside, I agree that getting the vaccine is a choice and everyone has to weigh the risks for themselves. I just wish the fear mongering and grasping at straws for anything to disprove the efficacy of the vaccine would stop from those who don't want to get it. It's an unproductive, relentless argument that goes in circles.
Considering the great deal of censorship happening in pretty much all avenues, I don’t think “fear mongering” is really coming from those that are questioning this vaccine, or are hesitant in taking it. U rarely hear anything negative about this vaccine, rarely! And as soon as something comes to light (it doesn’t matter who’s bringing it to light, even if it’s by researchers and scientists...how ironic since we all seem to love science so much), it gets brushed under the rug, or it gets automatically dismissed as a “conspiracy theory”. So if anyone wants to share something different from all the peaches and cream we’re constantly hearing about this vaccine, let them.
Nobody is brushing anything under the rug or being dismissive. Most people have the common sense to understand that some level of severe adverse reactions among very small groups is to be expected. However, there is no sense in focusing too much on the random outliers when the data has shown for months now that MOST people will be fine following their vaccine doses. In fact MILLIONS upon MILLIONS have received their vaccine now with little to no adverse reactions whatsoever. EVERY reaction outside of the norm will be looked into (as it should be) but as it's been stated time and time again, unless these reactions are proven to be from the vaccine specifically and affecting very large swaths of people then they will be considered rare and statistically insignificant. The FACT is, the vaccine thus far has proven to be safe.
Posting links to stories like these in order to justify why you won't take the vaccine while trying to paint it as scary and unsafe is silliness, you simply can't ignore the millions who have been just fine after being vaccinated. There isn't much negative to say about the vaccine because it works and it's gotten us back to normal life. Maybe remember that the next time you're running around mask free with your friends while enjoying your meal at a restaurant operating at full capacity. We wouldn't be where we are right now without the vaccine. That's medical fact.
Your exact reasoning can also be used for why people do not need the vaccine and why we do not need any restrictions at all. As of now, there are very few people getting Covid and very few people who are dying or having dangerous long lasting effects. Everyone has there own opinions and spins on what the science says. If you don't agree, don't open the post and move on.
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Hofstra26
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Re: Rare but we need to have an emergency meeting
Posted by KarenK122
As of now, there are very few people getting Covid and very few people who are dying or having dangerous long lasting effects.
Thanks to the vaccine.
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KarenK122
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Re: Rare but we need to have an emergency meeting
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by KarenK122
As of now, there are very few people getting Covid and very few people who are dying or having dangerous long lasting effects.
Thanks to the vaccine.
You don't know that. I'm not going to debate vaccine's or not. I am actually pro vaccine and my whole family is vaccinated. But nothing about this virus is black and white. Nothing. Everyone's opinions have some shred of validity in them so if you don't like what someone is saying, then move on.
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Hofstra26
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Re: Rare but we need to have an emergency meeting
Posted by KarenK122
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by KarenK122
As of now, there are very few people getting Covid and very few people who are dying or having dangerous long lasting effects.
Thanks to the vaccine.
You don't know that. I'm not going to debate vaccine's or not. I am actually pro vaccine and my whole family is vaccinated. But nothing about this virus is black and white. Nothing. Everyone's opinions have some shred of validity in them so if you don't like what someone is saying, then move on.
Yes, we do know that.
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Re: Rare but we need to have an emergency meeting
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by KarenK122
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by KarenK122
As of now, there are very few people getting Covid and very few people who are dying or having dangerous long lasting effects.
Thanks to the vaccine.
You don't know that. I'm not going to debate vaccine's or not. I am actually pro vaccine and my whole family is vaccinated. But nothing about this virus is black and white. Nothing. Everyone's opinions have some shred of validity in them so if you don't like what someone is saying, then move on.
Yes, we do know that.
Can you find numbers of how many people who have come up positive recently have been vaccinated?
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Re: Rare but we need to have an emergency meeting
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by KarenK122
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by KarenK122
As of now, there are very few people getting Covid and very few people who are dying or having dangerous long lasting effects.
Thanks to the vaccine.
You don't know that. I'm not going to debate vaccine's or not. I am actually pro vaccine and my whole family is vaccinated. But nothing about this virus is black and white. Nothing. Everyone's opinions have some shred of validity in them so if you don't like what someone is saying, then move on.
Yes, we do know that.
Did you find those numbers ? It was an honest question that has been asked online over and over and no one has been able to answer it. I was hoping someone would be able to find them.
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Re: Rare but we need to have an emergency meeting
Posted by windyweather21
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My DH has pericarditis. Something to keep in mind here is that COVID itself can aggravate this condition.
My DH was hospitalized because of his pericarditis that was aggravated as the result of a virus (this was long, long before COVID). He had said some slight chest discomfort after the vaccine. This is obviously anecdotal, but we'd rather slight chest discomfort than hospitalization!
So sorry as that is scary.
Thank you
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Re: Rare but we need to have an emergency meeting
Virtually all hospitalized Covid patients have one thing in common: They're unvaccinated.
Thanks to the Covid-19 vaccines, the number of patients hospitalized has plummeted, from more than 125,000 on average in early January to just over 15,000 on average this week, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/virtually-all-hospitalized-covid-patients-have-one-thing-common-they-n1270482
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Re: Rare but we need to have an emergency meeting
Thank you. Suffolk Health won’t supply numbers. Seems these people all had underlying issues also.
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Re: Rare but we need to have an emergency meeting
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by KarenK122
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by KarenK122
As of now, there are very few people getting Covid and very few people who are dying or having dangerous long lasting effects.
Thanks to the vaccine.
You don't know that. I'm not going to debate vaccine's or not. I am actually pro vaccine and my whole family is vaccinated. But nothing about this virus is black and white. Nothing. Everyone's opinions have some shred of validity in them so if you don't like what someone is saying, then move on.
Yes, we do know that.
Can you find numbers of how many people who have come up positive recently have been vaccinated?
The News tends to boast about all the positives of the vaccine. We don't hear about the negatives because they don't want to scare people away from the vaccine, but I feel we should have all the information to make a comfortable decision about receiving it.
I heard (have't verified it) but a cruise ship of all vaccinated people had positive cases not sure if passengers were symptomatic or not.
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Re: Rare but we need to have an emergency meeting
Posted by 3girls1dog
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by KarenK122
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by KarenK122
As of now, there are very few people getting Covid and very few people who are dying or having dangerous long lasting effects.
Thanks to the vaccine.
You don't know that. I'm not going to debate vaccine's or not. I am actually pro vaccine and my whole family is vaccinated. But nothing about this virus is black and white. Nothing. Everyone's opinions have some shred of validity in them so if you don't like what someone is saying, then move on.
Yes, we do know that.
Can you find numbers of how many people who have come up positive recently have been vaccinated?
The News tends to boast about all the positives of the vaccine. We don't hear about the negatives because they don't want to scare people away from the vaccine, but I feel we should have all the information to make a comfortable decision about receiving it.
I heard (have't verified it) but a cruise ship of all vaccinated people had positive cases not sure if passengers were symptomatic or not.
It was 2 people and were asymptomatic. Cruises just started back up so we will see how it all pans out. Our 2nd one just got cancelled so we are rebooked for next year. Hoping that most restrictions will be lifted by then.
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Hofstra26
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Re: Rare but we need to have an emergency meeting
Posted by 3girls1dog
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by KarenK122
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by KarenK122
As of now, there are very few people getting Covid and very few people who are dying or having dangerous long lasting effects.
Thanks to the vaccine.
You don't know that. I'm not going to debate vaccine's or not. I am actually pro vaccine and my whole family is vaccinated. But nothing about this virus is black and white. Nothing. Everyone's opinions have some shred of validity in them so if you don't like what someone is saying, then move on.
Yes, we do know that.
Can you find numbers of how many people who have come up positive recently have been vaccinated?
The News tends to boast about all the positives of the vaccine. We don't hear about the negatives because they don't want to scare people away from the vaccine, but I feel we should have all the information to make a comfortable decision about receiving it.
I heard (have't verified it) but a cruise ship of all vaccinated people had positive cases not sure if passengers were symptomatic or not.
What are "all the negatives"?
Millions upon millions of people globally have been vaccinated with little to no side effects aside from maybe a sore arm and slight flu like symptoms. MILLIONS.
The vaccine also has a 95% efficacy rate and has certainly curtailed our numbers effectively moving us towards ending this pandemic.
So please, do enlighten us about "all the negative effects" that you and a few others insist exist but have NO basis in fact. Please refrain from spouting off about the random handful or one person here or there that had a response extremely out of the norm because they aren't relevant compared to MILLIONS. Please shown us where MILLIONS upon MILLIONS of people are having adverse, negative reactions to the vaccine so much so that we should all be avoiding it.
I know you can't simply because there is no data which supports the notion that the vaccine is unsafe and harmful.
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Re: Rare but we need to have an emergency meeting
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by 3girls1dog
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by KarenK122
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by KarenK122
As of now, there are very few people getting Covid and very few people who are dying or having dangerous long lasting effects.
Thanks to the vaccine.
You don't know that. I'm not going to debate vaccine's or not. I am actually pro vaccine and my whole family is vaccinated. But nothing about this virus is black and white. Nothing. Everyone's opinions have some shred of validity in them so if you don't like what someone is saying, then move on.
Yes, we do know that.
Can you find numbers of how many people who have come up positive recently have been vaccinated?
The News tends to boast about all the positives of the vaccine. We don't hear about the negatives because they don't want to scare people away from the vaccine, but I feel we should have all the information to make a comfortable decision about receiving it.
I heard (have't verified it) but a cruise ship of all vaccinated people had positive cases not sure if passengers were symptomatic or not.
What are "all the negatives"?
Millions upon millions of people globally have been vaccinated with little to no side effects aside from maybe a sore arm and slight flu like symptoms. MILLIONS.
The vaccine also has a 95% efficacy rate and has certainly curtailed our numbers effectively moving us towards ending this pandemic.
So please, do enlighten us about "all the negative effects" that you and a few others insist exist but have NO basis in fact. Please refrain from spouting off about the random handful or one person here or there that had a response extremely out of the norm because they aren't relevant compared to MILLIONS. Please shown us where MILLIONS upon MILLIONS of people are having adverse, negative reactions to the vaccine so much so that we should all be avoiding it.
I know you can't simply because there is no data which supports the notion that the vaccine is unsafe and harmful.
Once again, this entire thread is about an emergency meeting about young men having heart problems from the vaccines. You don’t have an emergency meeting for 1 person out of millions. It obviously is a very serious thing they are not taking lightly.
You can hide your head if you want about any negativity with this vaccine and I really hope and pray in years to come bigger issues don’t stem from it.
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Re: Rare but we need to have an emergency meeting
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by 3girls1dog
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by KarenK122
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by KarenK122
As of now, there are very few people getting Covid and very few people who are dying or having dangerous long lasting effects.
Thanks to the vaccine.
You don't know that. I'm not going to debate vaccine's or not. I am actually pro vaccine and my whole family is vaccinated. But nothing about this virus is black and white. Nothing. Everyone's opinions have some shred of validity in them so if you don't like what someone is saying, then move on.
Yes, we do know that.
Can you find numbers of how many people who have come up positive recently have been vaccinated?
The News tends to boast about all the positives of the vaccine. We don't hear about the negatives because they don't want to scare people away from the vaccine, but I feel we should have all the information to make a comfortable decision about receiving it.
I heard (have't verified it) but a cruise ship of all vaccinated people had positive cases not sure if passengers were symptomatic or not.
What are "all the negatives"?
Millions upon millions of people globally have been vaccinated with little to no side effects aside from maybe a sore arm and slight flu like symptoms. MILLIONS.
The vaccine also has a 95% efficacy rate and has certainly curtailed our numbers effectively moving us towards ending this pandemic.
So please, do enlighten us about "all the negative effects" that you and a few others insist exist but have NO basis in fact. Please refrain from spouting off about the random handful or one person here or there that had a response extremely out of the norm because they aren't relevant compared to MILLIONS. Please shown us where MILLIONS upon MILLIONS of people are having adverse, negative reactions to the vaccine so much so that we should all be avoiding it.
I know you can't simply because there is no data which supports the notion that the vaccine is unsafe and harmful.
I myself had somewhat serious side effects from the J&J vaccine and I know others who had serious side effects. I agree it is a small % of people but just like every medication is required to list all the potential side effects, I think that the vaccine should have the same requirements. They should discuss those side effects with you when you get the vaccine so that you are aware. I was not aware of what was happening to me and it was very frightening. When we take our kids to get vaccinated they ALWAYS give me a piece of paper with all the potential reactions. I don't think that any of these side effects would deter anyone from getting the vaccine so why not make people aware?
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Hofstra26
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Re: Rare but we need to have an emergency meeting
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by 3girls1dog
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by KarenK122
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by KarenK122
As of now, there are very few people getting Covid and very few people who are dying or having dangerous long lasting effects.
Thanks to the vaccine.
You don't know that. I'm not going to debate vaccine's or not. I am actually pro vaccine and my whole family is vaccinated. But nothing about this virus is black and white. Nothing. Everyone's opinions have some shred of validity in them so if you don't like what someone is saying, then move on.
Yes, we do know that.
Can you find numbers of how many people who have come up positive recently have been vaccinated?
The News tends to boast about all the positives of the vaccine. We don't hear about the negatives because they don't want to scare people away from the vaccine, but I feel we should have all the information to make a comfortable decision about receiving it.
I heard (have't verified it) but a cruise ship of all vaccinated people had positive cases not sure if passengers were symptomatic or not.
What are "all the negatives"?
Millions upon millions of people globally have been vaccinated with little to no side effects aside from maybe a sore arm and slight flu like symptoms. MILLIONS.
The vaccine also has a 95% efficacy rate and has certainly curtailed our numbers effectively moving us towards ending this pandemic.
So please, do enlighten us about "all the negative effects" that you and a few others insist exist but have NO basis in fact. Please refrain from spouting off about the random handful or one person here or there that had a response extremely out of the norm because they aren't relevant compared to MILLIONS. Please shown us where MILLIONS upon MILLIONS of people are having adverse, negative reactions to the vaccine so much so that we should all be avoiding it.
I know you can't simply because there is no data which supports the notion that the vaccine is unsafe and harmful.
Once again, this entire thread is about an emergency meeting about young men having heart problems from the vaccines. You don’t have an emergency meeting for 1 person out of millions. It obviously is a very serious thing they are not taking lightly.
You can hide your head if you want about any negativity with this vaccine and I really hope and pray in years to come bigger issues don’t stem from it.
Did you even read the article that you posted?
I definitely don't think you did. You seem to be nothing more than a "headline hero".
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Hofstra26
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Re: Rare but we need to have an emergency meeting
Posted by lululu
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by 3girls1dog
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by KarenK122
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by KarenK122
As of now, there are very few people getting Covid and very few people who are dying or having dangerous long lasting effects.
Thanks to the vaccine.
You don't know that. I'm not going to debate vaccine's or not. I am actually pro vaccine and my whole family is vaccinated. But nothing about this virus is black and white. Nothing. Everyone's opinions have some shred of validity in them so if you don't like what someone is saying, then move on.
Yes, we do know that.
Can you find numbers of how many people who have come up positive recently have been vaccinated?
The News tends to boast about all the positives of the vaccine. We don't hear about the negatives because they don't want to scare people away from the vaccine, but I feel we should have all the information to make a comfortable decision about receiving it.
I heard (have't verified it) but a cruise ship of all vaccinated people had positive cases not sure if passengers were symptomatic or not.
What are "all the negatives"?
Millions upon millions of people globally have been vaccinated with little to no side effects aside from maybe a sore arm and slight flu like symptoms. MILLIONS.
The vaccine also has a 95% efficacy rate and has certainly curtailed our numbers effectively moving us towards ending this pandemic.
So please, do enlighten us about "all the negative effects" that you and a few others insist exist but have NO basis in fact. Please refrain from spouting off about the random handful or one person here or there that had a response extremely out of the norm because they aren't relevant compared to MILLIONS. Please shown us where MILLIONS upon MILLIONS of people are having adverse, negative reactions to the vaccine so much so that we should all be avoiding it.
I know you can't simply because there is no data which supports the notion that the vaccine is unsafe and harmful.
I myself had somewhat serious side effects from the J&J vaccine and I know others who had serious side effects. I agree it is a small % of people but just like every medication is required to list all the potential side effects, I think that the vaccine should have the same requirements. They should discuss those side effects with you when you get the vaccine so that you are aware. I was not aware of what was happening to me and it was very frightening. When we take our kids to get vaccinated they ALWAYS give me a piece of paper with all the potential reactions. I don't think that any of these side effects would deter anyone from getting the vaccine so why not make people aware?
I agree with you.
FTR, you do get all of that paperwork regarding potential side effects of the vaccine. When I signed up for my appts through CVS (I got Pfizer) at the end of the sign up were the pdfs with allllll of the information about the drug and its side effects. You have to check a box indicating you read it before confirming your appt. The paperwork was also printable so you could have it on hand. They also gave me a sheet of info at the drugstore when I got my first shot. The information is there, it's not being kept from anyone.
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| Posted 6/14/21 8:25 AM |
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Re: Rare but we need to have an emergency meeting
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by lululu
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by 3girls1dog
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by KarenK122
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by KarenK122
As of now, there are very few people getting Covid and very few people who are dying or having dangerous long lasting effects.
Thanks to the vaccine.
You don't know that. I'm not going to debate vaccine's or not. I am actually pro vaccine and my whole family is vaccinated. But nothing about this virus is black and white. Nothing. Everyone's opinions have some shred of validity in them so if you don't like what someone is saying, then move on.
Yes, we do know that.
Can you find numbers of how many people who have come up positive recently have been vaccinated?
The News tends to boast about all the positives of the vaccine. We don't hear about the negatives because they don't want to scare people away from the vaccine, but I feel we should have all the information to make a comfortable decision about receiving it.
I heard (have't verified it) but a cruise ship of all vaccinated people had positive cases not sure if passengers were symptomatic or not.
What are "all the negatives"?
Millions upon millions of people globally have been vaccinated with little to no side effects aside from maybe a sore arm and slight flu like symptoms. MILLIONS.
The vaccine also has a 95% efficacy rate and has certainly curtailed our numbers effectively moving us towards ending this pandemic.
So please, do enlighten us about "all the negative effects" that you and a few others insist exist but have NO basis in fact. Please refrain from spouting off about the random handful or one person here or there that had a response extremely out of the norm because they aren't relevant compared to MILLIONS. Please shown us where MILLIONS upon MILLIONS of people are having adverse, negative reactions to the vaccine so much so that we should all be avoiding it.
I know you can't simply because there is no data which supports the notion that the vaccine is unsafe and harmful.
I myself had somewhat serious side effects from the J&J vaccine and I know others who had serious side effects. I agree it is a small % of people but just like every medication is required to list all the potential side effects, I think that the vaccine should have the same requirements. They should discuss those side effects with you when you get the vaccine so that you are aware. I was not aware of what was happening to me and it was very frightening. When we take our kids to get vaccinated they ALWAYS give me a piece of paper with all the potential reactions. I don't think that any of these side effects would deter anyone from getting the vaccine so why not make people aware?
I agree with you.
FTR, you do get all of that paperwork regarding potential side effects of the vaccine. When I signed up for my appts through CVS (I got Pfizer) at the end of the sign up were the pdfs with allllll of the information about the drug and its side effects. You have to check a box indicating you read it before confirming your appt. The paperwork was also printable so you could have it on hand. They also gave me a sheet of info at the drugstore when I got my first shot. The information is there, it's not being kept from anyone.
I did not get any such paperwork signing up through the NYS website, nor did anyone mention the condition that I developed as a result of the vaccine.
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| Posted 6/14/21 8:31 AM |
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Hofstra26
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Re: Rare but we need to have an emergency meeting
Posted by lululu
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by lululu
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by 3girls1dog
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by KarenK122
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by KarenK122
As of now, there are very few people getting Covid and very few people who are dying or having dangerous long lasting effects.
Thanks to the vaccine.
You don't know that. I'm not going to debate vaccine's or not. I am actually pro vaccine and my whole family is vaccinated. But nothing about this virus is black and white. Nothing. Everyone's opinions have some shred of validity in them so if you don't like what someone is saying, then move on.
Yes, we do know that.
Can you find numbers of how many people who have come up positive recently have been vaccinated?
The News tends to boast about all the positives of the vaccine. We don't hear about the negatives because they don't want to scare people away from the vaccine, but I feel we should have all the information to make a comfortable decision about receiving it.
I heard (have't verified it) but a cruise ship of all vaccinated people had positive cases not sure if passengers were symptomatic or not.
What are "all the negatives"?
Millions upon millions of people globally have been vaccinated with little to no side effects aside from maybe a sore arm and slight flu like symptoms. MILLIONS.
The vaccine also has a 95% efficacy rate and has certainly curtailed our numbers effectively moving us towards ending this pandemic.
So please, do enlighten us about "all the negative effects" that you and a few others insist exist but have NO basis in fact. Please refrain from spouting off about the random handful or one person here or there that had a response extremely out of the norm because they aren't relevant compared to MILLIONS. Please shown us where MILLIONS upon MILLIONS of people are having adverse, negative reactions to the vaccine so much so that we should all be avoiding it.
I know you can't simply because there is no data which supports the notion that the vaccine is unsafe and harmful.
I myself had somewhat serious side effects from the J&J vaccine and I know others who had serious side effects. I agree it is a small % of people but just like every medication is required to list all the potential side effects, I think that the vaccine should have the same requirements. They should discuss those side effects with you when you get the vaccine so that you are aware. I was not aware of what was happening to me and it was very frightening. When we take our kids to get vaccinated they ALWAYS give me a piece of paper with all the potential reactions. I don't think that any of these side effects would deter anyone from getting the vaccine so why not make people aware?
I agree with you.
FTR, you do get all of that paperwork regarding potential side effects of the vaccine. When I signed up for my appts through CVS (I got Pfizer) at the end of the sign up were the pdfs with allllll of the information about the drug and its side effects. You have to check a box indicating you read it before confirming your appt. The paperwork was also printable so you could have it on hand. They also gave me a sheet of info at the drugstore when I got my first shot. The information is there, it's not being kept from anyone.
I did not get any such paperwork signing up through the NYS website, nor did anyone mention the condition that I developed as a result of the vaccine.
Maybe it's on the website but you need to seek it out. No idea. But my DH and I each went to different drugstores for our vaccines (CVS and Rite Aid) and we were provided with paperwork. If you weren't, that was wrong of them but all of that information is out there regardless. It's not being kept from anyone, maybe NYS just had a crappy system in place. I found the drugstores to be very organized and thorough with the vaccine distribution and sign up.
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| Posted 6/14/21 8:38 AM |
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Re: Rare but we need to have an emergency meeting
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by 3girls1dog
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by KarenK122
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by KarenK122
As of now, there are very few people getting Covid and very few people who are dying or having dangerous long lasting effects.
Thanks to the vaccine.
You don't know that. I'm not going to debate vaccine's or not. I am actually pro vaccine and my whole family is vaccinated. But nothing about this virus is black and white. Nothing. Everyone's opinions have some shred of validity in them so if you don't like what someone is saying, then move on.
Yes, we do know that.
Can you find numbers of how many people who have come up positive recently have been vaccinated?
The News tends to boast about all the positives of the vaccine. We don't hear about the negatives because they don't want to scare people away from the vaccine, but I feel we should have all the information to make a comfortable decision about receiving it.
I heard (have't verified it) but a cruise ship of all vaccinated people had positive cases not sure if passengers were symptomatic or not.
What are "all the negatives"?
Millions upon millions of people globally have been vaccinated with little to no side effects aside from maybe a sore arm and slight flu like symptoms. MILLIONS.
The vaccine also has a 95% efficacy rate and has certainly curtailed our numbers effectively moving us towards ending this pandemic.
So please, do enlighten us about "all the negative effects" that you and a few others insist exist but have NO basis in fact. Please refrain from spouting off about the random handful or one person here or there that had a response extremely out of the norm because they aren't relevant compared to MILLIONS. Please shown us where MILLIONS upon MILLIONS of people are having adverse, negative reactions to the vaccine so much so that we should all be avoiding it.
I know you can't simply because there is no data which supports the notion that the vaccine is unsafe and harmful.
Once again, this entire thread is about an emergency meeting about young men having heart problems from the vaccines. You don’t have an emergency meeting for 1 person out of millions. It obviously is a very serious thing they are not taking lightly.
You can hide your head if you want about any negativity with this vaccine and I really hope and pray in years to come bigger issues don’t stem from it.
Did you even read the article that you posted?
I definitely don't think you did. You seem to be nothing more than a "headline hero".
I sure did, what did I miss? Do you want me to attach more articles as they are out there.
Again you won’t believe that there could be, and are, serious problems that occur after the vaccine. Enough to have an emergency meeting.
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Re: Rare but we need to have an emergency meeting
Posted by lululu
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by lululu
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by 3girls1dog
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by KarenK122
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by KarenK122
As of now, there are very few people getting Covid and very few people who are dying or having dangerous long lasting effects.
Thanks to the vaccine.
You don't know that. I'm not going to debate vaccine's or not. I am actually pro vaccine and my whole family is vaccinated. But nothing about this virus is black and white. Nothing. Everyone's opinions have some shred of validity in them so if you don't like what someone is saying, then move on.
Yes, we do know that.
Can you find numbers of how many people who have come up positive recently have been vaccinated?
The News tends to boast about all the positives of the vaccine. We don't hear about the negatives because they don't want to scare people away from the vaccine, but I feel we should have all the information to make a comfortable decision about receiving it.
I heard (have't verified it) but a cruise ship of all vaccinated people had positive cases not sure if passengers were symptomatic or not.
What are "all the negatives"?
Millions upon millions of people globally have been vaccinated with little to no side effects aside from maybe a sore arm and slight flu like symptoms. MILLIONS.
The vaccine also has a 95% efficacy rate and has certainly curtailed our numbers effectively moving us towards ending this pandemic.
So please, do enlighten us about "all the negative effects" that you and a few others insist exist but have NO basis in fact. Please refrain from spouting off about the random handful or one person here or there that had a response extremely out of the norm because they aren't relevant compared to MILLIONS. Please shown us where MILLIONS upon MILLIONS of people are having adverse, negative reactions to the vaccine so much so that we should all be avoiding it.
I know you can't simply because there is no data which supports the notion that the vaccine is unsafe and harmful.
I myself had somewhat serious side effects from the J&J vaccine and I know others who had serious side effects. I agree it is a small % of people but just like every medication is required to list all the potential side effects, I think that the vaccine should have the same requirements. They should discuss those side effects with you when you get the vaccine so that you are aware. I was not aware of what was happening to me and it was very frightening. When we take our kids to get vaccinated they ALWAYS give me a piece of paper with all the potential reactions. I don't think that any of these side effects would deter anyone from getting the vaccine so why not make people aware?
I agree with you.
FTR, you do get all of that paperwork regarding potential side effects of the vaccine. When I signed up for my appts through CVS (I got Pfizer) at the end of the sign up were the pdfs with allllll of the information about the drug and its side effects. You have to check a box indicating you read it before confirming your appt. The paperwork was also printable so you could have it on hand. They also gave me a sheet of info at the drugstore when I got my first shot. The information is there, it's not being kept from anyone.
I did not get any such paperwork signing up through the NYS website, nor did anyone mention the condition that I developed as a result of the vaccine.
You must be the ONLY one since Hofstra and her husband got paperwork and she is always right and knows it all 
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