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missrock
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Re: Puggles
Posted by Jesaroo
Posted by missrock
I hate to say this, but im sure dogs that have been researched to be good with kids can turn on a kid at any time. So you really cant trust any dog with a kid (especially a young one), even if its a recognized breed.
I never voice my opinion about things but this puppymills $hit is going to far. I agree with you guys about puppy mills its a very sad thing but just leave it alone already. You guys really do make people feel bad about buying dogs.
I hate to say this but i feel no matter what we do puppymills will always stay in business.
Cigarettes cause cancer but people still smoke and the they are still be sold.
youre absolutely right about the first thing. i was attacked by two goldens as a child, they are supposed to be one of the best with kids. i just mean theres been no research on them so theres REALLY no knowing.
as far as the puppymill "$hit" well, i havent been around much lately but i can assure you its not "$hit".
and if ppl buy without knowing OK, but if they buy while they DO know about mills, then imo they sHOULD feel bad.
Most people that do buy do not know about puppymills. I bought, but I will probably never buy again. I was actually trying to find out a good breeder for a friend of mine the other day about Malteses and explaining what a puppymill was to her. So I AM doing my part educating people, but you girls do make people feel bad.
I was an big poster on this board but now have shyed away from here because of it. There is no reason to make people feel like that. We all understand. We all know how to read and understand why its horrible to buy from pet stores. So the madness has to stop. Ron's post says it all. The "education" can now stop!
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Re: Puggles
Posted by Jesaroo
Posted by missrock
Posted by MarisaK
Sorry - but the whole 'designer dog' thing is so ridiculous to me. My neighbor just brough over her "yorkie - Poo" (Yorkie/Poddle) She's the cutest thing EVER - but really ? She's a mutt, who invented the "yorkie poo"
The OP didnt ask your advice about "designer dogs". She just asked if they were good with children.
So you could have just ended your post with "my friend has 2 and they are good with kids".
the OP seems like they intend on buying a mutt... which means they are going to buy from a shop (i,e, puppymill) or support a backyard breeder....
hopefully they will opt to adopt.
but Marisa has an opinion and voiced it, thats what we do on these boards.
if the OP had mentioned they were looking into a lab or something she prob wouldnt have recieved a reply like that..... b/c "puggle" is NOT a breed.
and since there is no such thing as a puggle (people can call it that if they so choose, but its a mutt) there is no way of knowing how it will be with children. they have not been bred long enough to have a true study of that partcular mutt combos personality traits.....
I normally stay out of these debates but couldnt help it
I got my COCKAPOO from a reputable breeder.
ETA - socialization when the dog is a puppy is key on how it will act around babies, adults, etc no matter the breed
I edited my post because after re reading your post I am not sure if you were just assuming that she is buying from a pet store and werent really attacking her
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DeniseMarie
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Re: Puggles
double post
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MarisaK
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Re: Puggles
Posted by missrock
Posted by MarisaK
Sorry - but the whole 'designer dog' thing is so ridiculous to me. My neighbor just brough over her "yorkie - Poo" (Yorkie/Poddle) She's the cutest thing EVER - but really ? She's a mutt, who invented the "yorkie poo"
The OP didnt ask your advice about "designer dogs". She just asked if they were good with children.
So you could have just ended your post with "my friend has 2 and they are good with kids".
It's really not necessary for you to tell me how to end my posts or give my opinions -
I wasn't giving her my "advice" re a designer dog.........I was giving my opinion that there is no difference between a 1st and 2nd 'generation' Puggle ........b/c a puggle is a fancy word for a mutt - -
There's nothing worng w/ a mutt, so why does it have to be called a 'puggle' - it annoys me ........It's my opinion -
I wasn't nasty, I didn't attack the OP for asking about or wanting a puggle ....
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pinkandblue
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Re: Puggles
Posted by Jesaroo
Posted by Mrs-D-Girl
I am sorry, but this is the exact reason why some people feel the way they do on here, prime example!!!!
says the puppymill supporter
I am sorry Jess, I am the first one to "preach" about the horrors of puppy mills, but this comment was out of line
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Jesaroo
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Re: Puggles
Posted by DeniseMarie
I normally stay out of these debates but couldnt help it
I got my COCKAPOO from a reputable breeder.
thats VERY debatable, as far as i am concerned, no reputable breeder breeds mixed breeds/mutts.... it DEFEATS teh purpose for breeding.
the whole entire reason for breeding is to better the lines and breed as close to standard as possible.
this is impossible to do with mixes. they are bred purely for profit and (hopefully) companionship.
im not saying that your breeder is not a nice person nor am i saying she didn take excellent care of her pups, but alas, she still remains a backyardbreeder.
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DeniseMarie
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Re: Puggles
Posted by Jesaroo
Posted by DeniseMarie
I normally stay out of these debates but couldnt help it
I got my COCKAPOO from a reputable breeder.
thats VERY debatable, as far as i am concerned, no reputable breeder breeds mixed breeds/mutts.... it DEFEATS teh purpose for breeding.
the whole entire reason for breeding is to better the lines and breed as close to standard as possible.
this is impossible to do with mixes. they are bred purely for profit and (hopefully) companionship.
im not saying that your breeder is not a nice person nor am i saying she didn take excellent care of her pups, but alas, she still remains a backyardbreeder.
I understand that that is your opinion but just because these mixed breeds arent recognized by the AKC does not make the breeders bad people that are only profit driven. I am sure it does happen just as I am sure there are bad people out there breeding labs, rotties, etc. It just happens bc there are bad people in this world.
I am just saying we cant assume that anyone breeding a dog that is not a recognized breed is a "bad" breeder
JMO
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meghanmetz
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Re: Puggles
I got my COCKAPOO from a reputable breeder.
I dont understand how a cockapoo can come from a reputable breeder. I thought that reputable breeders try and breed dogs so that they will meet the written AKC breed standard. If there is no standard for a mixed dog, how do they breed the dogs so that they better the breed/ meet the written standard.
 Serious question. I've been doing a lot of reserach into this type of thing and thought that was the point of non backyard breeding.
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pinkandblue
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Re: Puggles
Posted by meghanmetz
I got my COCKAPOO from a reputable breeder.
I dont understand how a cockapoo can come from a reputable breeder.
IMO, they can't
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DeniseMarie
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Re: Puggles
Posted by meghanmetz
I got my COCKAPOO from a reputable breeder.
I dont understand how a cockapoo can come from a reputable breeder. I thought that reputable breeders try and breed dogs so that they will meet the written AKC breed standard. If there is no standard for a mixed dog, how do they breed the dogs so that they better the breed/ meet the written standard.
Serious question. I've been doing a lot of reserach into this type of thing and thought that was the point of non backyard breeding.
to me a reputable breeder means somene whos best interest is in the dogs welfare. Did they breed at their house - yes. But they SERIOUSLY interieved the people adopting these dogs (they were neighbors of mine) the dogs were kept in excellent condition, the recommended trainers, they came to your house. The dogs were socialized in their families with their chidlren. They did everything possible to ensure a good life for these puppies.
To me a backyard breeder does not care about the quality of the dogs but only the quantity for $ reasons.
Maybe we are not aggreeing on the term "reputable" but I am just stating my opinion on it and how I feel about the breeder I got my dog from.
Also just in case someone brings it up Murray's agression issues stem from things we did not do correctly when he was a puppy (ie lack of training on our part that I wish I can change and letting him take over the household) but we learned our lesson
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nicrae
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Re: Puggles
YES A PUGGLE IS A MUTT. They are a combination of a pug and a beagle. So what if they are called PUGGLES??? Who cares? Why does everytime someone bring up a puggle (which is easier to say then a pug/beagle mix) does someone have to say "a puggle is not a breed." We all know this. It has been said a million times. I also have a rottweiler/chow chow mix. I call him a rottiechow.....should I get flamed for that too?
We are not trying to pass our dogs off as purebreeds. People simply have questions about the mix just like they might have questions about labordoodles (which by the way are used at the Guidedog foundation for the blind) and so on.....
Enough already. We get the puppy mill issue but as other people have posted you can get puggle on Petfinder and at NSAL. So those people who do not support puppy mills are STILL getting flamed for having a puggle.
It makes this board very uncomfortable lately and I think twice before posting here.
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DaniJude
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Re: Puggles
Posted by niikki-8-18-06
YES A PUGGLE IS A MUTT. They are a combination of a pug and a beagle. So what if they are called PUGGLES??? Who cares? Why does everytime someone bring up a puggle (which is easier to say then a pug/beagle mix) does someone have to say "a puggle is not a breed." We all know this. It has been said a million times. I also have a rottweiler/chow chow mix. I call him a rottiechow.....should I get flamed for that too?
We are not trying to pass our dogs off as purebreeds. People simply have questions about the mix just like they might have questions about labordoodles (which by the way are used at the Guidedog foundation for the blind) and so on.....
Enough already. We get the puppy mill issue but as other people have posted you can get puggle on Petfinder and at NSAL. So those people who do not support puppy mills are STILL getting flamed for having a puggle.
It makes this board very uncomfortable lately and I think twice before posting here.
 Very well said Nicole - Thank you!
I have been staying out of this but it has come to a point -- you are right -- I feel uncomfortable at times on this board now also - it is sad - I used to love this board.
BTW - Henry is ADORABLE - and so is Jake 
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pinkandblue
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Re: Puggles
Posted by niikki-8-18-06
YES A PUGGLE IS A MUTT. They are a combination of a pug and a beagle. So what if they are called PUGGLES??? Who cares? Why does everytime someone bring up a puggle (which is easier to say then a pug/beagle mix) does someone have to say "a puggle is not a breed." We all know this. It has been said a million times. I also have a rottweiler/chow chow mix. I call him a rottiechow.....should I get flamed for that too?
We are not trying to pass our dogs off as purebreeds. People simply have questions about the mix just like they might have questions about labordoodles (which by the way are used at the Guidedog foundation for the blind) and so on.....
Enough already. We get the puppy mill issue but as other people have posted you can get puggle on Petfinder and at NSAL. So those people who do not support puppy mills are STILL getting flamed for having a puggle.
It makes this board very uncomfortable lately and I think twice before posting here.
wow, defensive much?
i think what we were trying to say is that you cannot judge the temperment of a mutt because you are not sure which characteristics are going to be dominant. also, the idea that a reputable breeder would breed a mutt is simply not true. that is a fact
eta: i love mutts, i have one myself that i adopted from animal control 
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nicrae
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Re: Puggles
Not defensive just tired of reading the same thing over and over again.
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MrsFlatbread
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Re: Puggles
Posted by Jesaroo
Posted by Mrs-D-Girl
I am sorry, but this is the exact reason why some people feel the way they do on here, prime example!!!!
says the puppymill supporter
Stop the name calling...I am sure many people have bit their tongues many times when reading your posts. Knock it off! Didn't you go away for a while?? I see now you're back and starting your stuff again
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pinkandblue
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Re: Puggles
wow, defensive much?
i think what we were trying to say is that you cannot judge the temperment of a mutt because you are not sure which characteristics are going to be dominant. also, the idea that a reputable breeder would breed a mutt is simply not true. that is a fact
eta: i love mutts, i have one myself that i adopted from animal control
Not defensive just tired of reading the same thing over and over again.
i see ONE person on this thread who mentioned pm...maybe you should have directed your comment towards them
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Madisonmom
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Re: Puggles
call it a puggle or a mutt it still needs a home. adopt at your local shelter. it is a great dog.. wish you luck!!
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DeniseMarie
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Re: Puggles
Posted by Madisonmom
call it a puggle or a mutt it still needs a home. adopt at your local shelter. it is a great dog.. wish you luck!!
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leese
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Re: Puggles
And...I hope the OP still stays on this board after this great introduction! 
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nicrae
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Re: Puggles
Posted by stephanief
wow, defensive much?
i think what we were trying to say is that you cannot judge the temperment of a mutt because you are not sure which characteristics are going to be dominant. also, the idea that a reputable breeder would breed a mutt is simply not true. that is a fact
eta: i love mutts, i have one myself that i adopted from animal control
Not defensive just tired of reading the same thing over and over again.
i see ONE person on this thread who mentioned pm...maybe you should have directed your comment towards them
Actually my comments was directed at the entire puggle thing and it not being a breed. It has been debated more than once.
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People--I strongly support rescue and I donate to dachsund rescue. My dog was rescued from a horrible situation but I think that some of the pro rescue posts on here have the opposite effect of what was intended. I know for a fact that there are some people who feel that all the in your face tactics lead them to say "Eff this, I am not going to be told where I can get a dog." Then off they go to a pet store.
If I know the answer to someone's question, I think I should answer it even if I do not support how they got their dog.
I have read a little bit about the designer breeds, but more about the retriever mixes, not the puggle. I would say to do a google search for more information and to try to read information from varying points of view. I do hope that you will decide to try a shelter or rescue group and that your dog turns out to be a great addition to your family.
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Re: Puggles
Posted by leese
Again, not a vet and have absolutely no experience. I am a dog lover that is reasearching the right breeds for my life. I am researching breeders, going to dog shows, going to shelters, going through rescue groups in my area, reading and asking my friends online and IRL about their experiences. So, as a newbie who wants to ask questions I am so excited to be apart of the PET board.
The OP asked not whether a Puggle is a designer breed. She asked 1. what the difference was in the 1st and 2nd generation and 2. whether they are good with children.
The first few responses are fine - I get that they are mutts - not a bad word.
But bringing up the designer dogs and then throwing slings at people for being "puppymill breeder supporters" is really ridiculous...esp. since we JUST got the education post pinned. Maybe some people have been away for a while, but I thought we were making progress.
Sorry, but I side with MrsD's girl here. I hope others agree.
This was the only board I ever really posted on, and the same thing happened to me when I was researching my Goldendoodle. Yes, i do call him a golden doodle, it is easier than saying a golden retriever/poodle mix. He may be a mutt but he is an awesome dog. Why anyone has to get so bent out of shape about what a dog owner calls his/her own dog is beyond me, but I stopped posting on any boards because of the negative feeling I got from the pet board.
it is a shame because I think many kind, friendly people have really good information to share, but some people would rather spew their opinions (even when they weren't asked for) and make others feel uncomfortable. This attitude does turn people off and make them think that some are overzealous and scary, rather than informed and helpful. I dont really feel comfortable taking advice from people that are willing to put others down and try to make them feel inferior-have you ever heard the expression you catch more flies with honey than with vinegar-that seems to apply here.
How about a little tolerance?
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MrsFlatbread
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Re: Puggles
Posted by MrsH
Posted by leese
Again, not a vet and have absolutely no experience. I am a dog lover that is reasearching the right breeds for my life. I am researching breeders, going to dog shows, going to shelters, going through rescue groups in my area, reading and asking my friends online and IRL about their experiences. So, as a newbie who wants to ask questions I am so excited to be apart of the PET board.
The OP asked not whether a Puggle is a designer breed. She asked 1. what the difference was in the 1st and 2nd generation and 2. whether they are good with children.
The first few responses are fine - I get that they are mutts - not a bad word.
But bringing up the designer dogs and then throwing slings at people for being "puppymill breeder supporters" is really ridiculous...esp. since we JUST got the education post pinned. Maybe some people have been away for a while, but I thought we were making progress.
Sorry, but I side with MrsD's girl here. I hope others agree.
This was the only board I ever really posted on, and the same thing happened to me when I was researching my Goldendoodle. Yes, i do call him a golden doodle, it is easier than saying a golden retriever/poodle mix. He may be a mutt but he is an awesome dog. Why anyone has to get so bent out of shape about what a dog owner calls his/her own dog is beyond me, but I stopped posting on any boards because of the negative feeling I got from the pet board.
it is a shame because I think many kind, friendly people have really good information to share, but some people would rather spew their opinions (even when they weren't asked for) and make others feel uncomfortable. This attitude does turn people off and make them think that some are overzealous and scary, rather than informed and helpful. I dont really feel comfortable taking advice from people that are willing to put others down and try to make them feel inferior-have you ever heard the expression you catch more flies with honey than with vinegar-that seems to apply here.
How about a little tolerance?
You rule...that's all
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pinkandblue
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Re: Puggles
Posted by Madisonmom
call it a puggle or a mutt it still needs a home. adopt at your local shelter. it is a great dog.. wish you luck!!
I agree with this as well
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pinkandblue
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Re: Puggles
Not defensive just tired of reading the same thing over and over again.
i see ONE person on this thread who mentioned pm...maybe you should have directed your comment towards them
Actually my comments was directed at the entire puggle thing and it not being a breed. It has been debated more than once.
oops, ok then, sorry I misunderstood 
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