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CookiePuss
Cake from Outer Space!

Member since 5/05

14007 total posts

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Re: Large payout to migrants

Posted by windyweather21

Posted by CookiePuss

Posted by windyweather21

Posted by CookiePuss

Posted by windyweather21

Posted by CookiePuss

Posted by windyweather21

Posted by CookiePuss

Posted by windyweather21

Posted by Diane

Cookiepus, There is NO comparison between the 2.

Exactly what Karen said.



Exactly and I would love to know who these people are besides her kids and husband she lives with that she would take in illegally.



Still won't answer my question but you pose another ridiculous follow up question.

Would you like to come visit my home?



Is this an invite? Chat Icon

. Answer my question about your previous screennames and. I will be happy to continue answering yours



Why are you obsessed with screennames? I will bring the chips and cocktails if you would like as you know how UNclassy I am that I enjoy some chips and dip and drinks. Chat Icon Chat Icon
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I really don't know what you like or don't like.

But, why won't you answer the question about your other screennames that you have posted under?

I have met several people off of this board and have had them to my home but I do like to have a vague idea of who they are.



You can do your own research if you are that obsessed with poster names.



See...you won't admit the screen names you have previously held.
I wonder why Chat Icon

I have no interest in researching your previous screen names.

Your refusal to answer or acknowledge shows me more then anything you could type on this page. It would appear that you want to hide who you were and what you said previously.




You have no interest but keep asking me what other screennames I might have had?
Chat Icon Chat Icon Chat Icon

Slow day to advise I guess. Chat Icon



I said I have no interest in RESEARCHING your previous screen names but I am interested in your typing out in a response to me. So, please do share the other accounts under screen names you have posted under or share why you won't share.

No a matter of a slow day or not...this is just piquing my interest more.

Posted 11/4/21 11:50 AM
 

mommy2devin
2 Boys, I need calgon!

Member since 10/07

1572 total posts

Name:
Shannon

Re: Large payout to migrants

Posted by windyweather21

Posted by CookiePuss

Posted by windyweather21

Posted by CookiePuss

Posted by windyweather21

Posted by CookiePuss

Posted by windyweather21

Posted by CookiePuss

Posted by windyweather21

Posted by Diane

Cookiepus, There is NO comparison between the 2.

Exactly what Karen said.



Exactly and I would love to know who these people are besides her kids and husband she lives with that she would take in illegally.



Still won't answer my question but you pose another ridiculous follow up question.

Would you like to come visit my home?



Is this an invite? Chat Icon

. Answer my question about your previous screennames and. I will be happy to continue answering yours



Why are you obsessed with screennames? I will bring the chips and cocktails if you would like as you know how UNclassy I am that I enjoy some chips and dip and drinks. Chat Icon Chat Icon
Chat Icon Chat Icon Chat Icon Chat Icon Chat Icon



I really don't know what you like or don't like.

But, why won't you answer the question about your other screennames that you have posted under?

I have met several people off of this board and have had them to my home but I do like to have a vague idea of who they are.



You can do your own research if you are that obsessed with poster names.



See...you won't admit the screen names you have previously held.
I wonder why Chat Icon

I have no interest in researching your previous screen names.

Your refusal to answer or acknowledge shows me more then anything you could type on this page. It would appear that you want to hide who you were and what you said previously.




You have no interest but keep asking me what other screennames I might have had?
Chat Icon Chat Icon Chat Icon

Slow day to advise I guess. Chat Icon



WW/Hazel/VB, this is exactly what you wanted. You are SO ignorant to CP but can't figure out why people loathe your existence on these posts.

CP- I get it, you aren't naive or clueless, you are educated and have real life experiences to share. Don't feed into Windy's nonsense and drama baiting. She is LOVING this.

Posted 11/4/21 11:51 AM
 

windyweather21
LIF Adult

Member since 3/21

6938 total posts

Name:

Re: Large payout to migrants

Posted by CookiePuss

Posted by windyweather21

Posted by CookiePuss

Posted by windyweather21

Posted by CookiePuss

Posted by windyweather21

Posted by CookiePuss

Posted by windyweather21

Posted by CookiePuss

Posted by windyweather21

Posted by Diane

Cookiepus, There is NO comparison between the 2.

Exactly what Karen said.



Exactly and I would love to know who these people are besides her kids and husband she lives with that she would take in illegally.



Still won't answer my question but you pose another ridiculous follow up question.

Would you like to come visit my home?



Is this an invite? Chat Icon

. Answer my question about your previous screennames and. I will be happy to continue answering yours



Why are you obsessed with screennames? I will bring the chips and cocktails if you would like as you know how UNclassy I am that I enjoy some chips and dip and drinks. Chat Icon Chat Icon
Chat Icon Chat Icon Chat Icon Chat Icon Chat Icon



I really don't know what you like or don't like.

But, why won't you answer the question about your other screennames that you have posted under?

I have met several people off of this board and have had them to my home but I do like to have a vague idea of who they are.



You can do your own research if you are that obsessed with poster names.



See...you won't admit the screen names you have previously held.
I wonder why Chat Icon

I have no interest in researching your previous screen names.

Your refusal to answer or acknowledge shows me more then anything you could type on this page. It would appear that you want to hide who you were and what you said previously.




You have no interest but keep asking me what other screennames I might have had?
Chat Icon Chat Icon Chat Icon

Slow day to advise I guess. Chat Icon



I said I have no interest in RESEARCHING your previous screen names but I am interested in your typing out in a response to me. So, please do share the other accounts under screen names you have posted under or share why you won't share.

No a matter of a slow day or not...this is just piquing my interest more.





Not sure why you are so obsessed with screen names. Maybe you can start a new thread asking everyone what names they have used in the past as I am not sure why you are honing just on me. Very odd.

How about sticking to the topic and answering others questions.



Posted 11/4/21 11:53 AM
 

CookiePuss
Cake from Outer Space!

Member since 5/05

14007 total posts

Name:

Re: Large payout to migrants

Posted by mommy2devin



WW/Hazel/VB, this is exactly what you wanted. You are SO ignorant to CP but can't figure out why people loathe your existence on these posts.

CP- I get it, you aren't naive or clueless, you are educated and have real life experiences to share. Don't feed into Windy's nonsense and drama baiting. She is LOVING this.



I'm really going back and forth with her because I know she is hiding her other screen names and I am enjoying her obvious avoidance of such...petty - I know.

Posted 11/4/21 11:53 AM
 

windyweather21
LIF Adult

Member since 3/21

6938 total posts

Name:

Re: Large payout to migrants

Posted by mommy2devin

Posted by windyweather21

Posted by CookiePuss

Posted by windyweather21

Posted by CookiePuss

Posted by windyweather21

Posted by CookiePuss

Posted by windyweather21

Posted by CookiePuss

Posted by windyweather21

Posted by Diane

Cookiepus, There is NO comparison between the 2.

Exactly what Karen said.



Exactly and I would love to know who these people are besides her kids and husband she lives with that she would take in illegally.



Still won't answer my question but you pose another ridiculous follow up question.

Would you like to come visit my home?



Is this an invite? Chat Icon

. Answer my question about your previous screennames and. I will be happy to continue answering yours



Why are you obsessed with screennames? I will bring the chips and cocktails if you would like as you know how UNclassy I am that I enjoy some chips and dip and drinks. Chat Icon Chat Icon
Chat Icon Chat Icon Chat Icon Chat Icon Chat Icon



I really don't know what you like or don't like.

But, why won't you answer the question about your other screennames that you have posted under?

I have met several people off of this board and have had them to my home but I do like to have a vague idea of who they are.



You can do your own research if you are that obsessed with poster names.



See...you won't admit the screen names you have previously held.
I wonder why Chat Icon

I have no interest in researching your previous screen names.

Your refusal to answer or acknowledge shows me more then anything you could type on this page. It would appear that you want to hide who you were and what you said previously.




You have no interest but keep asking me what other screennames I might have had?
Chat Icon Chat Icon Chat Icon

Slow day to advise I guess. Chat Icon



WW/Hazel/VB, this is exactly what you wanted. You are SO ignorant to CP but can't figure out why people loathe your existence on these posts.

CP- I get it, you aren't naive or clueless, you are educated and have real life experiences to share. Don't feed into Windy's nonsense and drama baiting. She is LOVING this.




Ahhh not everyone LOATHES me, I can assure you of that.

Seems she just doesn't want to stick to the topic and answer questions so she keeps coming after me. Very odd and creepy.

Posted 11/4/21 11:54 AM
 

windyweather21
LIF Adult

Member since 3/21

6938 total posts

Name:

Re: Large payout to migrants

Posted by CookiePuss

Posted by mommy2devin



WW/Hazel/VB, this is exactly what you wanted. You are SO ignorant to CP but can't figure out why people loathe your existence on these posts.

CP- I get it, you aren't naive or clueless, you are educated and have real life experiences to share. Don't feed into Windy's nonsense and drama baiting. She is LOVING this.



I'm really going back and forth with her because I know she is hiding her other screen names and I am enjoying her obvious avoidance of such...petty - I know.




Hiding? Chat Icon Chat Icon :lol---read above Chat Icon Chat Icon Chat Icon Chat Icon Chat Icon Chat Icon Chat Icon Chat Icon

Posted 11/4/21 11:55 AM
 

CookiePuss
Cake from Outer Space!

Member since 5/05

14007 total posts

Name:

Re: Large payout to migrants

Posted by windyweather21

Posted by CookiePuss

Posted by windyweather21

Posted by CookiePuss

Posted by windyweather21

Posted by CookiePuss

Posted by windyweather21

Posted by CookiePuss

Posted by windyweather21

Posted by CookiePuss

Posted by windyweather21

Posted by Diane

Cookiepus, There is NO comparison between the 2.

Exactly what Karen said.



Exactly and I would love to know who these people are besides her kids and husband she lives with that she would take in illegally.



Still won't answer my question but you pose another ridiculous follow up question.

Would you like to come visit my home?



Is this an invite? Chat Icon

. Answer my question about your previous screennames and. I will be happy to continue answering yours



Why are you obsessed with screennames? I will bring the chips and cocktails if you would like as you know how UNclassy I am that I enjoy some chips and dip and drinks. Chat Icon Chat Icon
Chat Icon Chat Icon Chat Icon Chat Icon Chat Icon



I really don't know what you like or don't like.

But, why won't you answer the question about your other screennames that you have posted under?

I have met several people off of this board and have had them to my home but I do like to have a vague idea of who they are.



You can do your own research if you are that obsessed with poster names.



See...you won't admit the screen names you have previously held.
I wonder why Chat Icon

I have no interest in researching your previous screen names.

Your refusal to answer or acknowledge shows me more then anything you could type on this page. It would appear that you want to hide who you were and what you said previously.




You have no interest but keep asking me what other screennames I might have had?
Chat Icon Chat Icon Chat Icon

Slow day to advise I guess. Chat Icon



I said I have no interest in RESEARCHING your previous screen names but I am interested in your typing out in a response to me. So, please do share the other accounts under screen names you have posted under or share why you won't share.

No a matter of a slow day or not...this is just piquing my interest more.





Not sure why you are so obsessed with screen names. Maybe you can start a new thread asking everyone what names they have used in the past as I am not sure why you are honing just on me. Very odd.

How about sticking to the topic and answering others questions.






What questions do you want me to answer that I have not? Or issues I haven't shared my opinion on that you would like me too?

Our veer off the side was because you asked Do you plan to house and feed and educate a family or two? Sounds like you are very empathetic and want to help as much as you can. Let us know how that works out for you. ; I answered and yet that answer to your question did not satisfy you.

Message edited 11/4/2021 12:04:21 PM.

Posted 11/4/21 11:56 AM
 

CookiePuss
Cake from Outer Space!

Member since 5/05

14007 total posts

Name:

Re: Large payout to migrants

Posted by windyweather21

Posted by CookiePuss

Posted by mommy2devin



WW/Hazel/VB, this is exactly what you wanted. You are SO ignorant to CP but can't figure out why people loathe your existence on these posts.

CP- I get it, you aren't naive or clueless, you are educated and have real life experiences to share. Don't feed into Windy's nonsense and drama baiting. She is LOVING this.



I'm really going back and forth with her because I know she is hiding her other screen names and I am enjoying her obvious avoidance of such...petty - I know.




Hiding? Chat Icon Chat Icon :lol---read above Chat Icon Chat Icon Chat Icon Chat Icon Chat Icon Chat Icon Chat Icon Chat Icon



Thank you for admitting that you were Hazeleyes, Valentinebaby48...any others?

I can put this to rest. Thank you. Chat Icon

Posted 11/4/21 11:59 AM
 

windyweather21
LIF Adult

Member since 3/21

6938 total posts

Name:

Re: Large payout to migrants

Posted by CookiePuss

Posted by windyweather21

Posted by CookiePuss

Posted by mommy2devin



WW/Hazel/VB, this is exactly what you wanted. You are SO ignorant to CP but can't figure out why people loathe your existence on these posts.

CP- I get it, you aren't naive or clueless, you are educated and have real life experiences to share. Don't feed into Windy's nonsense and drama baiting. She is LOVING this.



I'm really going back and forth with her because I know she is hiding her other screen names and I am enjoying her obvious avoidance of such...petty - I know.




Hiding? Chat Icon Chat Icon :lol---read above Chat Icon Chat Icon Chat Icon Chat Icon Chat Icon Chat Icon Chat Icon Chat Icon



Thank you for admitting that you were Hazeleyes, Valentinebaby48...any others?

I can put this to rest. Thank you. Chat Icon



Chat Icon Chat Icon Chat Icon Chat Icon

You seem to be a day late and a dollar short. Let me know what you find with your researching skills Chat Icon Chat Icon

Posted 11/4/21 12:02 PM
 

KarenK122
The Journey is the Destination

Member since 5/05

4430 total posts

Name:
Karen

Re: Large payout to migrants

Posted by windyweather21

Posted by CookiePuss

Posted by windyweather21

Posted by CookiePuss

Posted by mommy2devin



WW/Hazel/VB, this is exactly what you wanted. You are SO ignorant to CP but can't figure out why people loathe your existence on these posts.

CP- I get it, you aren't naive or clueless, you are educated and have real life experiences to share. Don't feed into Windy's nonsense and drama baiting. She is LOVING this.



I'm really going back and forth with her because I know she is hiding her other screen names and I am enjoying her obvious avoidance of such...petty - I know.




Hiding? Chat Icon Chat Icon :lol---read above Chat Icon Chat Icon Chat Icon Chat Icon Chat Icon Chat Icon Chat Icon Chat Icon



Thank you for admitting that you were Hazeleyes, Valentinebaby48...any others?

I can put this to rest. Thank you. Chat Icon



Chat Icon Chat Icon Chat Icon Chat Icon

You seem to be a day late and a dollar short. Let me know what you find with your researching skills Chat Icon Chat Icon



I really do not understand why every single post needs to be directed towards windy's other screen names. Who cares. Many people on here have switched their names up. She is not using them all the same time having conversations with herself so lets just move on.

Posted 11/4/21 12:22 PM
 

windyweather21
LIF Adult

Member since 3/21

6938 total posts

Name:

Re: Large payout to migrants

Posted by KarenK122

Posted by windyweather21

Posted by CookiePuss

Posted by windyweather21

Posted by CookiePuss

Posted by mommy2devin



WW/Hazel/VB, this is exactly what you wanted. You are SO ignorant to CP but can't figure out why people loathe your existence on these posts.

CP- I get it, you aren't naive or clueless, you are educated and have real life experiences to share. Don't feed into Windy's nonsense and drama baiting. She is LOVING this.



I'm really going back and forth with her because I know she is hiding her other screen names and I am enjoying her obvious avoidance of such...petty - I know.




Hiding? Chat Icon Chat Icon :lol---read above Chat Icon Chat Icon Chat Icon Chat Icon Chat Icon Chat Icon Chat Icon Chat Icon



Thank you for admitting that you were Hazeleyes, Valentinebaby48...any others?

I can put this to rest. Thank you. Chat Icon



Chat Icon Chat Icon Chat Icon Chat Icon

You seem to be a day late and a dollar short. Let me know what you find with your researching skills Chat Icon Chat Icon



I really do not understand why every single post needs to be directed towards windy's other screen names. Who cares. Many people on here have switched their names up. She is not using them all the same time having conversations with herself so lets just move on.




Exactly, thank you. All makes no sense.

Posted 11/4/21 12:27 PM
 

mommy2devin
2 Boys, I need calgon!

Member since 10/07

1572 total posts

Name:
Shannon

Re: Large payout to migrants

Posted by windyweather21

Posted by KarenK122

Posted by windyweather21

Posted by CookiePuss

Posted by windyweather21

Posted by CookiePuss

Posted by mommy2devin



WW/Hazel/VB, this is exactly what you wanted. You are SO ignorant to CP but can't figure out why people loathe your existence on these posts.

CP- I get it, you aren't naive or clueless, you are educated and have real life experiences to share. Don't feed into Windy's nonsense and drama baiting. She is LOVING this.



I'm really going back and forth with her because I know she is hiding her other screen names and I am enjoying her obvious avoidance of such...petty - I know.




Hiding? Chat Icon Chat Icon :lol---read above Chat Icon Chat Icon Chat Icon Chat Icon Chat Icon Chat Icon Chat Icon Chat Icon



Thank you for admitting that you were Hazeleyes, Valentinebaby48...any others?

I can put this to rest. Thank you. Chat Icon



Chat Icon Chat Icon Chat Icon Chat Icon

You seem to be a day late and a dollar short. Let me know what you find with your researching skills Chat Icon Chat Icon



I really do not understand why every single post needs to be directed towards windy's other screen names. Who cares. Many people on here have switched their names up. She is not using them all the same time having conversations with herself so lets just move on.




Exactly, thank you. All makes no sense.



Because only after her profile is deactivated she comes back as another user name. In time that will happen with this one too as soon as TPTB catch up.

Posted 11/4/21 12:43 PM
 

windyweather21
LIF Adult

Member since 3/21

6938 total posts

Name:

Re: Large payout to migrants

Posted by mommy2devin

Posted by windyweather21

Posted by KarenK122

Posted by windyweather21

Posted by CookiePuss

Posted by windyweather21

Posted by CookiePuss

Posted by mommy2devin



WW/Hazel/VB, this is exactly what you wanted. You are SO ignorant to CP but can't figure out why people loathe your existence on these posts.

CP- I get it, you aren't naive or clueless, you are educated and have real life experiences to share. Don't feed into Windy's nonsense and drama baiting. She is LOVING this.



I'm really going back and forth with her because I know she is hiding her other screen names and I am enjoying her obvious avoidance of such...petty - I know.




Hiding? Chat Icon Chat Icon :lol---read above Chat Icon Chat Icon Chat Icon Chat Icon Chat Icon Chat Icon Chat Icon Chat Icon



Thank you for admitting that you were Hazeleyes, Valentinebaby48...any others?

I can put this to rest. Thank you. Chat Icon



Chat Icon Chat Icon Chat Icon Chat Icon

You seem to be a day late and a dollar short. Let me know what you find with your researching skills Chat Icon Chat Icon



I really do not understand why every single post needs to be directed towards windy's other screen names. Who cares. Many people on here have switched their names up. She is not using them all the same time having conversations with herself so lets just move on.




Exactly, thank you. All makes no sense.



Because only after her profile is deactivated she comes back as another user name. In time that will happen with this one too as soon as TPTB catch up.



Why do you care so much? No one is making you answer me or anyone else on this board.

Another slow day at your job too? No numbers need to be added up?

Posted 11/4/21 12:53 PM
 

ChilisWife
God Bless America

Member since 5/05

3570 total posts

Name:
A.K.

Re: Large payout to migrants

Are there any threads on here that do NOT end up being a bunch of posts fighting with a particular poster and her screen names? It is getting old.

Posted 11/4/21 12:57 PM
 

mommy2devin
2 Boys, I need calgon!

Member since 10/07

1572 total posts

Name:
Shannon

Re: Large payout to migrants

Why do you care so much? No one is making you answer me or anyone else on this board.

Another slow day at your job too? No numbers need to be added up?

Bc you are annoying AF. Nobody cares anymore that you can Google or search and dig up info from this site. That shtick is old.

Posted 11/4/21 12:58 PM
 

windyweather21
LIF Adult

Member since 3/21

6938 total posts

Name:

Re: Large payout to migrants

Posted by mommy2devin

Why do you care so much? No one is making you answer me or anyone else on this board.

Another slow day at your job too? No numbers need to be added up?

Bc you are annoying AF. Nobody cares anymore that you can Google or search and dig up info from this site. That shtick is old.




SO STOP POSTING BACK AND FORTH TO ME. PROBLEM.SOLVED.

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Posted 11/4/21 12:59 PM
 

CookiePuss
Cake from Outer Space!

Member since 5/05

14007 total posts

Name:

Re: Large payout to migrants

I have moved on...as noted in my post above.

It was my back and forth with Windy/Ginger.

Posted 11/4/21 1:10 PM
 

CookiePuss
Cake from Outer Space!

Member since 5/05

14007 total posts

Name:

Re: Large payout to migrants

Posted by KarenK122

Posted by CookiePuss

Posted by Diane

Well, they are sure not leaving due to genocide.



So you are cool with migrants/immigrants from Myanmar, Sudan, Iraq, Syria, Central African Republic?
You're good with the above but not okay with those escaping drought, chronic poverty, government corruption, violence, forced cartel initiation, persecution...those things should not qualify for asylum. Got it



I would be fine with any of them as long as they come though an access point where they can be documented, vetted and put on a path to citizenship. Like they are legally supposed to do.



Somewhere around 70% of Americans agree with an easier path to citizenship for undocumented workers in the US.

I think one of the benefits of the American Rescue Plan is that you can now seek asylum in the US WITHOUT being at a port of entry where as prior to 3/2021 - one would need to show up physically at the border and a port of entry.

Posted 11/4/21 1:14 PM
 

mxoxom2004
LIF Infant

Member since 1/21

119 total posts

Name:

Re: Large payout to migrants

Posted by Raging2020

Posted by mxoxom2004

It is a proposal to settle the lawsuits filed against the US for seperating parents and children at the border.

From the WSJ

WASHINGTON—Eleven Republican senators on Monday asked President Biden to halt his administration's talks to settle lawsuits filed on behalf of immigrant families who say they suffered trauma from being separated after illegally crossing the southern border during the Trump administration.

"[R]ewarding illegal immigration with financial payments runs counter to our laws and would only serve to encourage more lawlessness at our border," Iowa Sen. Chuck Grassley and the 10 other Republican members of the Senate Judiciary Committee wrote in a letter to Mr. Biden. "To that end, I ask that your administration refuse to issue any settlement payments for aliens who broke our laws."

Earlier on Monday Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell also sharply criticized the potential settlements of around $450,000 a person , which The Wall Street Journal reported last week.

"Honestly, this absurd idea feels like a satirical policy proposal that Republicans would have invented to make a parody out of the radical left," Mr. McConnell said on the Senate floor Monday afternoon, previewing a likely line of attack in next year's midterm election.

The White House referred a request for comment to the Justice Department, which didn't immediately respond.

The Journal reported that the Justice, Homeland Security and Health and Human Services departments are considering payments that could amount to close to $1 million a family to resolve lawsuits filed on behalf of parents and children who say the government subjected them to lasting psychological trauma .

People familiar with the matter have said the final numbers could shift and that many families would likely get smaller amounts, depending on their circumstances, but the total potential payout could amount to $1 billion or more. About 940 claims have been filed so far by families that were separated, and government officials aren't sure how many more will come forward or prove eligible under the potential settlement.

By pursuing a settlement, the government is seeking to avoid trials that lawyers experienced with large-scale cases involving alleged emotional distress say could be even costlier.

Mr. McConnell has been using his floor remarks to hit themes that Republicans expect will be issues in the 2022 elections. His speech Monday marked his first extended comments on the topic of possible payments to families separated at the border. Senate Republican hopefuls have been focusing on immigration , viewing it as an issue that could swing voters their way next year.

Democrats expressed mixed views about the proposed settlement. Arizona Rep. Raúl Grijalva welcomed it as one way to address the wrongs of the Trump era, but said it wasn't enough. "It deals with that individual, the rights that were violated and the process that was violated there," he said. "Yes, and the agony for those families on a family per family basis. It's the overall policy that needs more work."

Sen. Mark Kelly of Arizona, considered one of the most vulnerable Senate Democrats, said while he was still seeking details, "I do have concerns. It's a lot of families, and a lot of money."

As part of the Republican Trump administration's so-called zero-tolerance enforcement policy, immigration agents separated thousands of children , ranging from infants to teenagers, from their parents at the southern border in 2018 after they had crossed illegally from Mexico to seek asylum in the U.S.

In some cases, families were forcefully broken up with no provisions to track and later reunite them, government investigations found. The lawsuits allege some of the children suffered from a range of ailments, including heat exhaustion and malnutrition, and were kept in freezing cold rooms and provided little medical attention.

A January report from the Justice Department's inspector general faulted senior Trump Justice Department officials for knowing the policy change would result in families being separated, but pressing ahead without preparing for it.

Several of the families started filing lawsuits seeking compensation under the Federal Tort Claims Act in 2019 and 2020, and some of the legal decisions have since gone in favor of the families. In March 2020, for example, a federal judge in Arizona denied the Justice Department's bid to dismiss one of the earliest such lawsuits, rejecting the government's argument that it had been authorized by regulation and statute to proceed with its prosecution and detention strategy of the immigrant families.

"The United States has cited to no statute explicitly authorizing the government to detain parents and children in separate facilities before it has charged either with a crime. Indeed, no such statute exists," U.S. District Judge Susan Bolton wrote.

In March 2021, lawyers for the families in that case asked the court to force the Justice Department to turn over documents that its inspector general had compiled in the investigation of the separation policy. The Justice Department had argued some of the documents couldn't be turned over because of legal privileges or other grounds. Weeks later, lawyers for the government and the families told the court they had had initial discussions about a possible settlement, according to court filings.

By seeking to settle the cases, legal experts said, the U.S. government is avoiding a series of potentially protracted trials before unpredictable judges and juries and no obvious comparisons to draw from for the allegations of harm.

In order to calculate a potential payout, child psychologists and other medical experts would be called upon to describe the potential impact of the separation and determine what the cost of therapy might be for each child over the course of decades, legal experts said.

"These can be extremely expensive cases. It's not just the difficulty in estimating the emotional trauma and what that means, it's the idea that something would be carried over so many years," said Adam Zimmerman, who was deputy special master of the 9/11 victim compensation fund and is a professor at Loyola Law School in Los Angeles. "We're talking about kids who might be living with this for a very long time."

When Michigan state officials took to trial in the late 2000s some cases of female prisoners alleging a pattern of sexual abuse in the state's prisons, to determine the possible amount of damages that could be awarded to a pool of hundreds of women making similar claims, they were surprised at how large the jury awards were, said Margo Schlanger, who ran the civil-rights office during the Obama administration at the Department of Homeland Security and now teaches at the University of Michigan law school. After juries awarded millions of dollars to the women, the larger group of women entered into a $100 million settlement with the state in 2009.

Highlighting the potential political impact of a possible settlement over the separated families, a spokesman for the National Republican Congressional Committee, the House Republicans' campaign arm, said in a post last week: "It would be interesting to know how vulnerable House Democrats feel about Joe Biden's plan."

In a poll released last week, the NRCC found that border security ranked second only to jobs and the economy as the top concern for voters. Its poll, conducted from Oct. 16-21, showed that Republicans had a 27-point advantage on the question of which party could best handle the topic of border security, with 54% saying Republicans would do a better job compared with 27% favoring Democrats. That compared with a 10-point advantage held by Republicans in early July.

Other Republicans said they would try to block the payments, though it isn't clear how they could, as such settlements don't require congressional approval. Montana Sen. Steve Daines on Friday said he was drafting an amendment to the coming defense policy bill that would prevent the government from compensating separated families, a move unlikely to gain traction with Democrats in control of Congress.



Sorry…..you crossed illegally. You are entitled to NOTHING.



Update is that Biden says No to the payouts anyway.

https://www.newsweek.com/biden-calls-report-plans-pay-immigrants-affected-trump-border-policies-garbage-1645665

Posted 11/4/21 2:58 PM
 

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Posted by CookiePuss

I have moved on...as noted in my post above.

It was my back and forth with Windy/Ginger.





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Posted 11/4/21 2:59 PM
 

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Re: Large payout to migrants

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It is a proposal to settle the lawsuits filed against the US for seperating parents and children at the border.

From the WSJ

WASHINGTON—Eleven Republican senators on Monday asked President Biden to halt his administration's talks to settle lawsuits filed on behalf of immigrant families who say they suffered trauma from being separated after illegally crossing the southern border during the Trump administration.

"[R]ewarding illegal immigration with financial payments runs counter to our laws and would only serve to encourage more lawlessness at our border," Iowa Sen. Chuck Grassley and the 10 other Republican members of the Senate Judiciary Committee wrote in a letter to Mr. Biden. "To that end, I ask that your administration refuse to issue any settlement payments for aliens who broke our laws."

Earlier on Monday Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell also sharply criticized the potential settlements of around $450,000 a person , which The Wall Street Journal reported last week.

"Honestly, this absurd idea feels like a satirical policy proposal that Republicans would have invented to make a parody out of the radical left," Mr. McConnell said on the Senate floor Monday afternoon, previewing a likely line of attack in next year's midterm election.

The White House referred a request for comment to the Justice Department, which didn't immediately respond.

The Journal reported that the Justice, Homeland Security and Health and Human Services departments are considering payments that could amount to close to $1 million a family to resolve lawsuits filed on behalf of parents and children who say the government subjected them to lasting psychological trauma .

People familiar with the matter have said the final numbers could shift and that many families would likely get smaller amounts, depending on their circumstances, but the total potential payout could amount to $1 billion or more. About 940 claims have been filed so far by families that were separated, and government officials aren't sure how many more will come forward or prove eligible under the potential settlement.

By pursuing a settlement, the government is seeking to avoid trials that lawyers experienced with large-scale cases involving alleged emotional distress say could be even costlier.

Mr. McConnell has been using his floor remarks to hit themes that Republicans expect will be issues in the 2022 elections. His speech Monday marked his first extended comments on the topic of possible payments to families separated at the border. Senate Republican hopefuls have been focusing on immigration , viewing it as an issue that could swing voters their way next year.

Democrats expressed mixed views about the proposed settlement. Arizona Rep. Raúl Grijalva welcomed it as one way to address the wrongs of the Trump era, but said it wasn't enough. "It deals with that individual, the rights that were violated and the process that was violated there," he said. "Yes, and the agony for those families on a family per family basis. It's the overall policy that needs more work."

Sen. Mark Kelly of Arizona, considered one of the most vulnerable Senate Democrats, said while he was still seeking details, "I do have concerns. It's a lot of families, and a lot of money."

As part of the Republican Trump administration's so-called zero-tolerance enforcement policy, immigration agents separated thousands of children , ranging from infants to teenagers, from their parents at the southern border in 2018 after they had crossed illegally from Mexico to seek asylum in the U.S.

In some cases, families were forcefully broken up with no provisions to track and later reunite them, government investigations found. The lawsuits allege some of the children suffered from a range of ailments, including heat exhaustion and malnutrition, and were kept in freezing cold rooms and provided little medical attention.

A January report from the Justice Department's inspector general faulted senior Trump Justice Department officials for knowing the policy change would result in families being separated, but pressing ahead without preparing for it.

Several of the families started filing lawsuits seeking compensation under the Federal Tort Claims Act in 2019 and 2020, and some of the legal decisions have since gone in favor of the families. In March 2020, for example, a federal judge in Arizona denied the Justice Department's bid to dismiss one of the earliest such lawsuits, rejecting the government's argument that it had been authorized by regulation and statute to proceed with its prosecution and detention strategy of the immigrant families.

"The United States has cited to no statute explicitly authorizing the government to detain parents and children in separate facilities before it has charged either with a crime. Indeed, no such statute exists," U.S. District Judge Susan Bolton wrote.

In March 2021, lawyers for the families in that case asked the court to force the Justice Department to turn over documents that its inspector general had compiled in the investigation of the separation policy. The Justice Department had argued some of the documents couldn't be turned over because of legal privileges or other grounds. Weeks later, lawyers for the government and the families told the court they had had initial discussions about a possible settlement, according to court filings.

By seeking to settle the cases, legal experts said, the U.S. government is avoiding a series of potentially protracted trials before unpredictable judges and juries and no obvious comparisons to draw from for the allegations of harm.

In order to calculate a potential payout, child psychologists and other medical experts would be called upon to describe the potential impact of the separation and determine what the cost of therapy might be for each child over the course of decades, legal experts said.

"These can be extremely expensive cases. It's not just the difficulty in estimating the emotional trauma and what that means, it's the idea that something would be carried over so many years," said Adam Zimmerman, who was deputy special master of the 9/11 victim compensation fund and is a professor at Loyola Law School in Los Angeles. "We're talking about kids who might be living with this for a very long time."

When Michigan state officials took to trial in the late 2000s some cases of female prisoners alleging a pattern of sexual abuse in the state's prisons, to determine the possible amount of damages that could be awarded to a pool of hundreds of women making similar claims, they were surprised at how large the jury awards were, said Margo Schlanger, who ran the civil-rights office during the Obama administration at the Department of Homeland Security and now teaches at the University of Michigan law school. After juries awarded millions of dollars to the women, the larger group of women entered into a $100 million settlement with the state in 2009.

Highlighting the potential political impact of a possible settlement over the separated families, a spokesman for the National Republican Congressional Committee, the House Republicans' campaign arm, said in a post last week: "It would be interesting to know how vulnerable House Democrats feel about Joe Biden's plan."

In a poll released last week, the NRCC found that border security ranked second only to jobs and the economy as the top concern for voters. Its poll, conducted from Oct. 16-21, showed that Republicans had a 27-point advantage on the question of which party could best handle the topic of border security, with 54% saying Republicans would do a better job compared with 27% favoring Democrats. That compared with a 10-point advantage held by Republicans in early July.

Other Republicans said they would try to block the payments, though it isn't clear how they could, as such settlements don't require congressional approval. Montana Sen. Steve Daines on Friday said he was drafting an amendment to the coming defense policy bill that would prevent the government from compensating separated families, a move unlikely to gain traction with Democrats in control of Congress.



Sorry…..you crossed illegally. You are entitled to NOTHING.



Yep. So if I break into your house and fall down your stairs and break my neck while illegally trespassing in your home, should I be able to sue you for my injuries?
Such fuking nonsense.



Yup. People can sue for anything it seems.

https://www.rodriguezlaw.net/can-burglar-sue-injury/

Posted 11/4/21 3:01 PM
 

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Re: Large payout to migrants

Posted by ChilisWife

Are there any threads on here that do NOT end up being a bunch of posts fighting with a particular poster and her screen names? It is getting old.



I know, right.

Posted 11/4/21 3:10 PM
 

windyweather21
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Re: Large payout to migrants

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Posted by ChilisWife

Are there any threads on here that do NOT end up being a bunch of posts fighting with a particular poster and her screen names? It is getting old.



I know, right.



I really don't get why screennames were even mentioned as we were all sticking on the topic and answering the question.

Posted 11/4/21 3:17 PM
 

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Re: Large payout to migrants

Posted by CookiePuss

Posted by MrsWoods

Posted by Diane

Posted by CookiePuss

Posted by Diane

Well, they are sure not leaving due to genocide.



So you are cool with migrants/immigrants from Myanmar, Sudan, Iraq, Syria, Central African Republic?
You're good with the above but not okay with those escaping drought, chronic poverty, government corruption, violence, forced cartel initiation, persecution...those things should not qualify for asylum. Got it



Im not going back and forth with you. Yes, Im sure some are coming here to see asylum (you keep mentioning). Most are coming here because Biden told them to come and will be getting "handouts". Oh and VOTES.
Im NOT fine with that!


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CP, I think you blind to the fact of what really is happening. How about ask someone from Puerto Rico about what’s happening on the island. How they come over there find someone to fake some papers and they are now “legal” to enter the US. How they are invading the island because PR is apart of the US and they can find people there to help out in their illegal activities.

You have no idea what’s really happening. Yes there are some that are just plain old escaping and want a better life but there are many that are escaping but are also out here with their hand out taking everything they can and then shipping it back to their family in their
Country. Or up to no good and making the US look dumb



Why are you now bringing up Puerto Rico?

We were discussing the southern border and you were sharing how the migrants from Central America come here
Migrants from Central America come here because they know they get hand outs and it aint only good people who are coming over either and They come here and everything is free for them. Men and women work off the books and send money back to their country. A majority of women will come here pregnant or find some dumb guy to get them pregnant here or marry so they can stay with no issues and then get additional free stuff.

So are you now saying that the migrants are traveling from Central America to Puerto Rico - An island - to do all the above and then sneak in to the US at the border?



To educate you, people from South America, Haiti, Dominican Republic and variety of other places sneak onto PR and then come to the US.

Posted 11/4/21 4:37 PM
 

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Re: Large payout to migrants

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Posted by mommy2devin



WW/Hazel/VB, this is exactly what you wanted. You are SO ignorant to CP but can't figure out why people loathe your existence on these posts.

CP- I get it, you aren't naive or clueless, you are educated and have real life experiences to share. Don't feed into Windy's nonsense and drama baiting. She is LOVING this.



I'm really going back and forth with her because I know she is hiding her other screen names and I am enjoying her obvious avoidance of such...petty - I know.




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Thank you for admitting that you were Hazeleyes, Valentinebaby48...any others?

I can put this to rest. Thank you. Chat Icon



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I really do not understand why every single post needs to be directed towards windy's other screen names. Who cares. Many people on here have switched their names up. She is not using them all the same time having conversations with herself so lets just move on.



It’s a left wing tactic. Like the obsession with trump and the obsession with the “insurrection” on main stream media lol they obsess over one thing that has nothing to do with the topic at hand. Odd.

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