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RomeyT
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Large payout to migrants

Anyone following this? From what I can tell it’s just a report at this time but how can people actually justify almost half a million dollars to people who didn’t follow our most basic laws?

Posted 11/1/21 12:01 PM
 

Diane
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Re: Large payout to migrants

Yes, I have been and makes my blood boilChat Icon

Posted 11/1/21 1:11 PM
 

StaceyWill
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Large payout to migrants

It's literally one of the dumbest things I've ever heard.

Posted 11/1/21 3:32 PM
 

NervousNell
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Re: Large payout to migrants

This cannot be real life.
If it is, it's time to find a new country to inhabit.
How much does the family of military personal killed in combat get?

Message edited 11/1/2021 5:28:45 PM.

Posted 11/1/21 5:27 PM
 

Raging2020
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Re: Large payout to migrants

Posted by NervousNell

This cannot be real life.
If it is, it's time to find a new country to inhabit.
How much does the family of military personal killed in combat get?




We were just saying how it used to be “I can’t wait to get out of NY” now the conversation is “what country can we go to”

Posted 11/1/21 7:50 PM
 

jellybean78
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Large payout to migrants

I mean is this even real life right now? $450K...meanwhile Americans are losing their job over the vaccine mandates, rising crime and record inflation Whoever thought this clown with dementia and his crew were going to unite America got duped.

Posted 11/1/21 8:02 PM
 

KarenK122
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Large payout to migrants

This can't be real. It must be someone's pipe dream. I can not fathom how anyone in their right mind thinks this would be appropriate.

Posted 11/1/21 8:12 PM
 

Anotherplease
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Large payout to migrants

This can’t be for real but have been saying that about stuff that has gone down in the last 2 years, all of which is real. Do you think all of this is happening/being floated bc of the limited amount of time before midterm elections? Will the democrats try to do as much as they can until it’s time to start campaigning for midterms then pull back?

Posted 11/1/21 8:17 PM
 

Raging2020
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Re: Large payout to migrants

Posted by Anotherplease

This can’t be for real but have been saying that about stuff that has gone down in the last 2 years, all of which is real. Do you think all of this is happening/being floated bc of the limited amount of time before midterm elections? Will the democrats try to do as much as they can until it’s time to start campaigning for midterms then pull back?



I can’t get over how many times I’ve said “no way that would ever happen” and it’s happened.

I’m considering sneaking into the country and identifying as a migrant at this point

Posted 11/2/21 9:26 AM
 

MrsWoods
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Large payout to migrants

Thats why they love entering the US. Free for all.

Posted 11/2/21 9:50 AM
 

mxoxom2004
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Re: Large payout to migrants

It is a proposal to settle the lawsuits filed against the US for seperating parents and children at the border.

From the WSJ

WASHINGTON—Eleven Republican senators on Monday asked President Biden to halt his administration's talks to settle lawsuits filed on behalf of immigrant families who say they suffered trauma from being separated after illegally crossing the southern border during the Trump administration.

"[R]ewarding illegal immigration with financial payments runs counter to our laws and would only serve to encourage more lawlessness at our border," Iowa Sen. Chuck Grassley and the 10 other Republican members of the Senate Judiciary Committee wrote in a letter to Mr. Biden. "To that end, I ask that your administration refuse to issue any settlement payments for aliens who broke our laws."

Earlier on Monday Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell also sharply criticized the potential settlements of around $450,000 a person , which The Wall Street Journal reported last week.

"Honestly, this absurd idea feels like a satirical policy proposal that Republicans would have invented to make a parody out of the radical left," Mr. McConnell said on the Senate floor Monday afternoon, previewing a likely line of attack in next year's midterm election.

The White House referred a request for comment to the Justice Department, which didn't immediately respond.

The Journal reported that the Justice, Homeland Security and Health and Human Services departments are considering payments that could amount to close to $1 million a family to resolve lawsuits filed on behalf of parents and children who say the government subjected them to lasting psychological trauma .

People familiar with the matter have said the final numbers could shift and that many families would likely get smaller amounts, depending on their circumstances, but the total potential payout could amount to $1 billion or more. About 940 claims have been filed so far by families that were separated, and government officials aren't sure how many more will come forward or prove eligible under the potential settlement.

By pursuing a settlement, the government is seeking to avoid trials that lawyers experienced with large-scale cases involving alleged emotional distress say could be even costlier.

Mr. McConnell has been using his floor remarks to hit themes that Republicans expect will be issues in the 2022 elections. His speech Monday marked his first extended comments on the topic of possible payments to families separated at the border. Senate Republican hopefuls have been focusing on immigration , viewing it as an issue that could swing voters their way next year.

Democrats expressed mixed views about the proposed settlement. Arizona Rep. Raúl Grijalva welcomed it as one way to address the wrongs of the Trump era, but said it wasn't enough. "It deals with that individual, the rights that were violated and the process that was violated there," he said. "Yes, and the agony for those families on a family per family basis. It's the overall policy that needs more work."

Sen. Mark Kelly of Arizona, considered one of the most vulnerable Senate Democrats, said while he was still seeking details, "I do have concerns. It's a lot of families, and a lot of money."

As part of the Republican Trump administration's so-called zero-tolerance enforcement policy, immigration agents separated thousands of children , ranging from infants to teenagers, from their parents at the southern border in 2018 after they had crossed illegally from Mexico to seek asylum in the U.S.

In some cases, families were forcefully broken up with no provisions to track and later reunite them, government investigations found. The lawsuits allege some of the children suffered from a range of ailments, including heat exhaustion and malnutrition, and were kept in freezing cold rooms and provided little medical attention.

A January report from the Justice Department's inspector general faulted senior Trump Justice Department officials for knowing the policy change would result in families being separated, but pressing ahead without preparing for it.

Several of the families started filing lawsuits seeking compensation under the Federal Tort Claims Act in 2019 and 2020, and some of the legal decisions have since gone in favor of the families. In March 2020, for example, a federal judge in Arizona denied the Justice Department's bid to dismiss one of the earliest such lawsuits, rejecting the government's argument that it had been authorized by regulation and statute to proceed with its prosecution and detention strategy of the immigrant families.

"The United States has cited to no statute explicitly authorizing the government to detain parents and children in separate facilities before it has charged either with a crime. Indeed, no such statute exists," U.S. District Judge Susan Bolton wrote.

In March 2021, lawyers for the families in that case asked the court to force the Justice Department to turn over documents that its inspector general had compiled in the investigation of the separation policy. The Justice Department had argued some of the documents couldn't be turned over because of legal privileges or other grounds. Weeks later, lawyers for the government and the families told the court they had had initial discussions about a possible settlement, according to court filings.

By seeking to settle the cases, legal experts said, the U.S. government is avoiding a series of potentially protracted trials before unpredictable judges and juries and no obvious comparisons to draw from for the allegations of harm.

In order to calculate a potential payout, child psychologists and other medical experts would be called upon to describe the potential impact of the separation and determine what the cost of therapy might be for each child over the course of decades, legal experts said.

"These can be extremely expensive cases. It's not just the difficulty in estimating the emotional trauma and what that means, it's the idea that something would be carried over so many years," said Adam Zimmerman, who was deputy special master of the 9/11 victim compensation fund and is a professor at Loyola Law School in Los Angeles. "We're talking about kids who might be living with this for a very long time."

When Michigan state officials took to trial in the late 2000s some cases of female prisoners alleging a pattern of sexual abuse in the state's prisons, to determine the possible amount of damages that could be awarded to a pool of hundreds of women making similar claims, they were surprised at how large the jury awards were, said Margo Schlanger, who ran the civil-rights office during the Obama administration at the Department of Homeland Security and now teaches at the University of Michigan law school. After juries awarded millions of dollars to the women, the larger group of women entered into a $100 million settlement with the state in 2009.

Highlighting the potential political impact of a possible settlement over the separated families, a spokesman for the National Republican Congressional Committee, the House Republicans' campaign arm, said in a post last week: "It would be interesting to know how vulnerable House Democrats feel about Joe Biden's plan."

In a poll released last week, the NRCC found that border security ranked second only to jobs and the economy as the top concern for voters. Its poll, conducted from Oct. 16-21, showed that Republicans had a 27-point advantage on the question of which party could best handle the topic of border security, with 54% saying Republicans would do a better job compared with 27% favoring Democrats. That compared with a 10-point advantage held by Republicans in early July.

Other Republicans said they would try to block the payments, though it isn't clear how they could, as such settlements don't require congressional approval. Montana Sen. Steve Daines on Friday said he was drafting an amendment to the coming defense policy bill that would prevent the government from compensating separated families, a move unlikely to gain traction with Democrats in control of Congress.

Posted 11/2/21 10:05 AM
 

Raging2020
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Re: Large payout to migrants

Posted by mxoxom2004

It is a proposal to settle the lawsuits filed against the US for seperating parents and children at the border.

From the WSJ

WASHINGTON—Eleven Republican senators on Monday asked President Biden to halt his administration's talks to settle lawsuits filed on behalf of immigrant families who say they suffered trauma from being separated after illegally crossing the southern border during the Trump administration.

"[R]ewarding illegal immigration with financial payments runs counter to our laws and would only serve to encourage more lawlessness at our border," Iowa Sen. Chuck Grassley and the 10 other Republican members of the Senate Judiciary Committee wrote in a letter to Mr. Biden. "To that end, I ask that your administration refuse to issue any settlement payments for aliens who broke our laws."

Earlier on Monday Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell also sharply criticized the potential settlements of around $450,000 a person , which The Wall Street Journal reported last week.

"Honestly, this absurd idea feels like a satirical policy proposal that Republicans would have invented to make a parody out of the radical left," Mr. McConnell said on the Senate floor Monday afternoon, previewing a likely line of attack in next year's midterm election.

The White House referred a request for comment to the Justice Department, which didn't immediately respond.

The Journal reported that the Justice, Homeland Security and Health and Human Services departments are considering payments that could amount to close to $1 million a family to resolve lawsuits filed on behalf of parents and children who say the government subjected them to lasting psychological trauma .

People familiar with the matter have said the final numbers could shift and that many families would likely get smaller amounts, depending on their circumstances, but the total potential payout could amount to $1 billion or more. About 940 claims have been filed so far by families that were separated, and government officials aren't sure how many more will come forward or prove eligible under the potential settlement.

By pursuing a settlement, the government is seeking to avoid trials that lawyers experienced with large-scale cases involving alleged emotional distress say could be even costlier.

Mr. McConnell has been using his floor remarks to hit themes that Republicans expect will be issues in the 2022 elections. His speech Monday marked his first extended comments on the topic of possible payments to families separated at the border. Senate Republican hopefuls have been focusing on immigration , viewing it as an issue that could swing voters their way next year.

Democrats expressed mixed views about the proposed settlement. Arizona Rep. Raúl Grijalva welcomed it as one way to address the wrongs of the Trump era, but said it wasn't enough. "It deals with that individual, the rights that were violated and the process that was violated there," he said. "Yes, and the agony for those families on a family per family basis. It's the overall policy that needs more work."

Sen. Mark Kelly of Arizona, considered one of the most vulnerable Senate Democrats, said while he was still seeking details, "I do have concerns. It's a lot of families, and a lot of money."

As part of the Republican Trump administration's so-called zero-tolerance enforcement policy, immigration agents separated thousands of children , ranging from infants to teenagers, from their parents at the southern border in 2018 after they had crossed illegally from Mexico to seek asylum in the U.S.

In some cases, families were forcefully broken up with no provisions to track and later reunite them, government investigations found. The lawsuits allege some of the children suffered from a range of ailments, including heat exhaustion and malnutrition, and were kept in freezing cold rooms and provided little medical attention.

A January report from the Justice Department's inspector general faulted senior Trump Justice Department officials for knowing the policy change would result in families being separated, but pressing ahead without preparing for it.

Several of the families started filing lawsuits seeking compensation under the Federal Tort Claims Act in 2019 and 2020, and some of the legal decisions have since gone in favor of the families. In March 2020, for example, a federal judge in Arizona denied the Justice Department's bid to dismiss one of the earliest such lawsuits, rejecting the government's argument that it had been authorized by regulation and statute to proceed with its prosecution and detention strategy of the immigrant families.

"The United States has cited to no statute explicitly authorizing the government to detain parents and children in separate facilities before it has charged either with a crime. Indeed, no such statute exists," U.S. District Judge Susan Bolton wrote.

In March 2021, lawyers for the families in that case asked the court to force the Justice Department to turn over documents that its inspector general had compiled in the investigation of the separation policy. The Justice Department had argued some of the documents couldn't be turned over because of legal privileges or other grounds. Weeks later, lawyers for the government and the families told the court they had had initial discussions about a possible settlement, according to court filings.

By seeking to settle the cases, legal experts said, the U.S. government is avoiding a series of potentially protracted trials before unpredictable judges and juries and no obvious comparisons to draw from for the allegations of harm.

In order to calculate a potential payout, child psychologists and other medical experts would be called upon to describe the potential impact of the separation and determine what the cost of therapy might be for each child over the course of decades, legal experts said.

"These can be extremely expensive cases. It's not just the difficulty in estimating the emotional trauma and what that means, it's the idea that something would be carried over so many years," said Adam Zimmerman, who was deputy special master of the 9/11 victim compensation fund and is a professor at Loyola Law School in Los Angeles. "We're talking about kids who might be living with this for a very long time."

When Michigan state officials took to trial in the late 2000s some cases of female prisoners alleging a pattern of sexual abuse in the state's prisons, to determine the possible amount of damages that could be awarded to a pool of hundreds of women making similar claims, they were surprised at how large the jury awards were, said Margo Schlanger, who ran the civil-rights office during the Obama administration at the Department of Homeland Security and now teaches at the University of Michigan law school. After juries awarded millions of dollars to the women, the larger group of women entered into a $100 million settlement with the state in 2009.

Highlighting the potential political impact of a possible settlement over the separated families, a spokesman for the National Republican Congressional Committee, the House Republicans' campaign arm, said in a post last week: "It would be interesting to know how vulnerable House Democrats feel about Joe Biden's plan."

In a poll released last week, the NRCC found that border security ranked second only to jobs and the economy as the top concern for voters. Its poll, conducted from Oct. 16-21, showed that Republicans had a 27-point advantage on the question of which party could best handle the topic of border security, with 54% saying Republicans would do a better job compared with 27% favoring Democrats. That compared with a 10-point advantage held by Republicans in early July.

Other Republicans said they would try to block the payments, though it isn't clear how they could, as such settlements don't require congressional approval. Montana Sen. Steve Daines on Friday said he was drafting an amendment to the coming defense policy bill that would prevent the government from compensating separated families, a move unlikely to gain traction with Democrats in control of Congress.



Sorry…..you crossed illegally. You are entitled to NOTHING.

Posted 11/2/21 11:03 AM
 

Raging2020
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Large payout to migrants

While we’re at it, I’m going to start filing a lawsuit for trauma my family has suffered due to our former dictator cuomo’s “rules”. Give me a break.

Posted 11/2/21 11:05 AM
 

MissJones
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Large payout to migrants

I’m all for helping unfortunate but this is disgusting if it’s true. A slap in the face to all the hard working people struggling to make ends meet.

Posted 11/2/21 1:02 PM
 

NervousNell
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Re: Large payout to migrants

Posted by Raging2020

Posted by mxoxom2004

It is a proposal to settle the lawsuits filed against the US for seperating parents and children at the border.

From the WSJ

WASHINGTON—Eleven Republican senators on Monday asked President Biden to halt his administration's talks to settle lawsuits filed on behalf of immigrant families who say they suffered trauma from being separated after illegally crossing the southern border during the Trump administration.

"[R]ewarding illegal immigration with financial payments runs counter to our laws and would only serve to encourage more lawlessness at our border," Iowa Sen. Chuck Grassley and the 10 other Republican members of the Senate Judiciary Committee wrote in a letter to Mr. Biden. "To that end, I ask that your administration refuse to issue any settlement payments for aliens who broke our laws."

Earlier on Monday Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell also sharply criticized the potential settlements of around $450,000 a person , which The Wall Street Journal reported last week.

"Honestly, this absurd idea feels like a satirical policy proposal that Republicans would have invented to make a parody out of the radical left," Mr. McConnell said on the Senate floor Monday afternoon, previewing a likely line of attack in next year's midterm election.

The White House referred a request for comment to the Justice Department, which didn't immediately respond.

The Journal reported that the Justice, Homeland Security and Health and Human Services departments are considering payments that could amount to close to $1 million a family to resolve lawsuits filed on behalf of parents and children who say the government subjected them to lasting psychological trauma .

People familiar with the matter have said the final numbers could shift and that many families would likely get smaller amounts, depending on their circumstances, but the total potential payout could amount to $1 billion or more. About 940 claims have been filed so far by families that were separated, and government officials aren't sure how many more will come forward or prove eligible under the potential settlement.

By pursuing a settlement, the government is seeking to avoid trials that lawyers experienced with large-scale cases involving alleged emotional distress say could be even costlier.

Mr. McConnell has been using his floor remarks to hit themes that Republicans expect will be issues in the 2022 elections. His speech Monday marked his first extended comments on the topic of possible payments to families separated at the border. Senate Republican hopefuls have been focusing on immigration , viewing it as an issue that could swing voters their way next year.

Democrats expressed mixed views about the proposed settlement. Arizona Rep. Raúl Grijalva welcomed it as one way to address the wrongs of the Trump era, but said it wasn't enough. "It deals with that individual, the rights that were violated and the process that was violated there," he said. "Yes, and the agony for those families on a family per family basis. It's the overall policy that needs more work."

Sen. Mark Kelly of Arizona, considered one of the most vulnerable Senate Democrats, said while he was still seeking details, "I do have concerns. It's a lot of families, and a lot of money."

As part of the Republican Trump administration's so-called zero-tolerance enforcement policy, immigration agents separated thousands of children , ranging from infants to teenagers, from their parents at the southern border in 2018 after they had crossed illegally from Mexico to seek asylum in the U.S.

In some cases, families were forcefully broken up with no provisions to track and later reunite them, government investigations found. The lawsuits allege some of the children suffered from a range of ailments, including heat exhaustion and malnutrition, and were kept in freezing cold rooms and provided little medical attention.

A January report from the Justice Department's inspector general faulted senior Trump Justice Department officials for knowing the policy change would result in families being separated, but pressing ahead without preparing for it.

Several of the families started filing lawsuits seeking compensation under the Federal Tort Claims Act in 2019 and 2020, and some of the legal decisions have since gone in favor of the families. In March 2020, for example, a federal judge in Arizona denied the Justice Department's bid to dismiss one of the earliest such lawsuits, rejecting the government's argument that it had been authorized by regulation and statute to proceed with its prosecution and detention strategy of the immigrant families.

"The United States has cited to no statute explicitly authorizing the government to detain parents and children in separate facilities before it has charged either with a crime. Indeed, no such statute exists," U.S. District Judge Susan Bolton wrote.

In March 2021, lawyers for the families in that case asked the court to force the Justice Department to turn over documents that its inspector general had compiled in the investigation of the separation policy. The Justice Department had argued some of the documents couldn't be turned over because of legal privileges or other grounds. Weeks later, lawyers for the government and the families told the court they had had initial discussions about a possible settlement, according to court filings.

By seeking to settle the cases, legal experts said, the U.S. government is avoiding a series of potentially protracted trials before unpredictable judges and juries and no obvious comparisons to draw from for the allegations of harm.

In order to calculate a potential payout, child psychologists and other medical experts would be called upon to describe the potential impact of the separation and determine what the cost of therapy might be for each child over the course of decades, legal experts said.

"These can be extremely expensive cases. It's not just the difficulty in estimating the emotional trauma and what that means, it's the idea that something would be carried over so many years," said Adam Zimmerman, who was deputy special master of the 9/11 victim compensation fund and is a professor at Loyola Law School in Los Angeles. "We're talking about kids who might be living with this for a very long time."

When Michigan state officials took to trial in the late 2000s some cases of female prisoners alleging a pattern of sexual abuse in the state's prisons, to determine the possible amount of damages that could be awarded to a pool of hundreds of women making similar claims, they were surprised at how large the jury awards were, said Margo Schlanger, who ran the civil-rights office during the Obama administration at the Department of Homeland Security and now teaches at the University of Michigan law school. After juries awarded millions of dollars to the women, the larger group of women entered into a $100 million settlement with the state in 2009.

Highlighting the potential political impact of a possible settlement over the separated families, a spokesman for the National Republican Congressional Committee, the House Republicans' campaign arm, said in a post last week: "It would be interesting to know how vulnerable House Democrats feel about Joe Biden's plan."

In a poll released last week, the NRCC found that border security ranked second only to jobs and the economy as the top concern for voters. Its poll, conducted from Oct. 16-21, showed that Republicans had a 27-point advantage on the question of which party could best handle the topic of border security, with 54% saying Republicans would do a better job compared with 27% favoring Democrats. That compared with a 10-point advantage held by Republicans in early July.

Other Republicans said they would try to block the payments, though it isn't clear how they could, as such settlements don't require congressional approval. Montana Sen. Steve Daines on Friday said he was drafting an amendment to the coming defense policy bill that would prevent the government from compensating separated families, a move unlikely to gain traction with Democrats in control of Congress.



Sorry…..you crossed illegally. You are entitled to NOTHING.



Yep. So if I break into your house and fall down your stairs and break my neck while illegally trespassing in your home, should I be able to sue you for my injuries?
Such fuking nonsense.

Posted 11/2/21 1:26 PM
 

MrsWoods
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Re: Large payout to migrants

Posted by NervousNell

Posted by Raging2020

Posted by mxoxom2004

It is a proposal to settle the lawsuits filed against the US for seperating parents and children at the border.

From the WSJ

WASHINGTON—Eleven Republican senators on Monday asked President Biden to halt his administration's talks to settle lawsuits filed on behalf of immigrant families who say they suffered trauma from being separated after illegally crossing the southern border during the Trump administration.

"[R]ewarding illegal immigration with financial payments runs counter to our laws and would only serve to encourage more lawlessness at our border," Iowa Sen. Chuck Grassley and the 10 other Republican members of the Senate Judiciary Committee wrote in a letter to Mr. Biden. "To that end, I ask that your administration refuse to issue any settlement payments for aliens who broke our laws."

Earlier on Monday Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell also sharply criticized the potential settlements of around $450,000 a person , which The Wall Street Journal reported last week.

"Honestly, this absurd idea feels like a satirical policy proposal that Republicans would have invented to make a parody out of the radical left," Mr. McConnell said on the Senate floor Monday afternoon, previewing a likely line of attack in next year's midterm election.

The White House referred a request for comment to the Justice Department, which didn't immediately respond.

The Journal reported that the Justice, Homeland Security and Health and Human Services departments are considering payments that could amount to close to $1 million a family to resolve lawsuits filed on behalf of parents and children who say the government subjected them to lasting psychological trauma .

People familiar with the matter have said the final numbers could shift and that many families would likely get smaller amounts, depending on their circumstances, but the total potential payout could amount to $1 billion or more. About 940 claims have been filed so far by families that were separated, and government officials aren't sure how many more will come forward or prove eligible under the potential settlement.

By pursuing a settlement, the government is seeking to avoid trials that lawyers experienced with large-scale cases involving alleged emotional distress say could be even costlier.

Mr. McConnell has been using his floor remarks to hit themes that Republicans expect will be issues in the 2022 elections. His speech Monday marked his first extended comments on the topic of possible payments to families separated at the border. Senate Republican hopefuls have been focusing on immigration , viewing it as an issue that could swing voters their way next year.

Democrats expressed mixed views about the proposed settlement. Arizona Rep. Raúl Grijalva welcomed it as one way to address the wrongs of the Trump era, but said it wasn't enough. "It deals with that individual, the rights that were violated and the process that was violated there," he said. "Yes, and the agony for those families on a family per family basis. It's the overall policy that needs more work."

Sen. Mark Kelly of Arizona, considered one of the most vulnerable Senate Democrats, said while he was still seeking details, "I do have concerns. It's a lot of families, and a lot of money."

As part of the Republican Trump administration's so-called zero-tolerance enforcement policy, immigration agents separated thousands of children , ranging from infants to teenagers, from their parents at the southern border in 2018 after they had crossed illegally from Mexico to seek asylum in the U.S.

In some cases, families were forcefully broken up with no provisions to track and later reunite them, government investigations found. The lawsuits allege some of the children suffered from a range of ailments, including heat exhaustion and malnutrition, and were kept in freezing cold rooms and provided little medical attention.

A January report from the Justice Department's inspector general faulted senior Trump Justice Department officials for knowing the policy change would result in families being separated, but pressing ahead without preparing for it.

Several of the families started filing lawsuits seeking compensation under the Federal Tort Claims Act in 2019 and 2020, and some of the legal decisions have since gone in favor of the families. In March 2020, for example, a federal judge in Arizona denied the Justice Department's bid to dismiss one of the earliest such lawsuits, rejecting the government's argument that it had been authorized by regulation and statute to proceed with its prosecution and detention strategy of the immigrant families.

"The United States has cited to no statute explicitly authorizing the government to detain parents and children in separate facilities before it has charged either with a crime. Indeed, no such statute exists," U.S. District Judge Susan Bolton wrote.

In March 2021, lawyers for the families in that case asked the court to force the Justice Department to turn over documents that its inspector general had compiled in the investigation of the separation policy. The Justice Department had argued some of the documents couldn't be turned over because of legal privileges or other grounds. Weeks later, lawyers for the government and the families told the court they had had initial discussions about a possible settlement, according to court filings.

By seeking to settle the cases, legal experts said, the U.S. government is avoiding a series of potentially protracted trials before unpredictable judges and juries and no obvious comparisons to draw from for the allegations of harm.

In order to calculate a potential payout, child psychologists and other medical experts would be called upon to describe the potential impact of the separation and determine what the cost of therapy might be for each child over the course of decades, legal experts said.

"These can be extremely expensive cases. It's not just the difficulty in estimating the emotional trauma and what that means, it's the idea that something would be carried over so many years," said Adam Zimmerman, who was deputy special master of the 9/11 victim compensation fund and is a professor at Loyola Law School in Los Angeles. "We're talking about kids who might be living with this for a very long time."

When Michigan state officials took to trial in the late 2000s some cases of female prisoners alleging a pattern of sexual abuse in the state's prisons, to determine the possible amount of damages that could be awarded to a pool of hundreds of women making similar claims, they were surprised at how large the jury awards were, said Margo Schlanger, who ran the civil-rights office during the Obama administration at the Department of Homeland Security and now teaches at the University of Michigan law school. After juries awarded millions of dollars to the women, the larger group of women entered into a $100 million settlement with the state in 2009.

Highlighting the potential political impact of a possible settlement over the separated families, a spokesman for the National Republican Congressional Committee, the House Republicans' campaign arm, said in a post last week: "It would be interesting to know how vulnerable House Democrats feel about Joe Biden's plan."

In a poll released last week, the NRCC found that border security ranked second only to jobs and the economy as the top concern for voters. Its poll, conducted from Oct. 16-21, showed that Republicans had a 27-point advantage on the question of which party could best handle the topic of border security, with 54% saying Republicans would do a better job compared with 27% favoring Democrats. That compared with a 10-point advantage held by Republicans in early July.

Other Republicans said they would try to block the payments, though it isn't clear how they could, as such settlements don't require congressional approval. Montana Sen. Steve Daines on Friday said he was drafting an amendment to the coming defense policy bill that would prevent the government from compensating separated families, a move unlikely to gain traction with Democrats in control of Congress.



Sorry…..you crossed illegally. You are entitled to NOTHING.



Yep. So if I break into your house and fall down your stairs and break my neck while illegally trespassing in your home, should I be able to sue you for my injuries?
Such fuking nonsense.

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Posted 11/2/21 9:20 PM
 

windyweather21
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Re: Large payout to migrants

Posted by NervousNell

Posted by Raging2020

Posted by mxoxom2004

It is a proposal to settle the lawsuits filed against the US for seperating parents and children at the border.

From the WSJ

WASHINGTON—Eleven Republican senators on Monday asked President Biden to halt his administration's talks to settle lawsuits filed on behalf of immigrant families who say they suffered trauma from being separated after illegally crossing the southern border during the Trump administration.

"[R]ewarding illegal immigration with financial payments runs counter to our laws and would only serve to encourage more lawlessness at our border," Iowa Sen. Chuck Grassley and the 10 other Republican members of the Senate Judiciary Committee wrote in a letter to Mr. Biden. "To that end, I ask that your administration refuse to issue any settlement payments for aliens who broke our laws."

Earlier on Monday Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell also sharply criticized the potential settlements of around $450,000 a person , which The Wall Street Journal reported last week.

"Honestly, this absurd idea feels like a satirical policy proposal that Republicans would have invented to make a parody out of the radical left," Mr. McConnell said on the Senate floor Monday afternoon, previewing a likely line of attack in next year's midterm election.

The White House referred a request for comment to the Justice Department, which didn't immediately respond.

The Journal reported that the Justice, Homeland Security and Health and Human Services departments are considering payments that could amount to close to $1 million a family to resolve lawsuits filed on behalf of parents and children who say the government subjected them to lasting psychological trauma .

People familiar with the matter have said the final numbers could shift and that many families would likely get smaller amounts, depending on their circumstances, but the total potential payout could amount to $1 billion or more. About 940 claims have been filed so far by families that were separated, and government officials aren't sure how many more will come forward or prove eligible under the potential settlement.

By pursuing a settlement, the government is seeking to avoid trials that lawyers experienced with large-scale cases involving alleged emotional distress say could be even costlier.

Mr. McConnell has been using his floor remarks to hit themes that Republicans expect will be issues in the 2022 elections. His speech Monday marked his first extended comments on the topic of possible payments to families separated at the border. Senate Republican hopefuls have been focusing on immigration , viewing it as an issue that could swing voters their way next year.

Democrats expressed mixed views about the proposed settlement. Arizona Rep. Raúl Grijalva welcomed it as one way to address the wrongs of the Trump era, but said it wasn't enough. "It deals with that individual, the rights that were violated and the process that was violated there," he said. "Yes, and the agony for those families on a family per family basis. It's the overall policy that needs more work."

Sen. Mark Kelly of Arizona, considered one of the most vulnerable Senate Democrats, said while he was still seeking details, "I do have concerns. It's a lot of families, and a lot of money."

As part of the Republican Trump administration's so-called zero-tolerance enforcement policy, immigration agents separated thousands of children , ranging from infants to teenagers, from their parents at the southern border in 2018 after they had crossed illegally from Mexico to seek asylum in the U.S.

In some cases, families were forcefully broken up with no provisions to track and later reunite them, government investigations found. The lawsuits allege some of the children suffered from a range of ailments, including heat exhaustion and malnutrition, and were kept in freezing cold rooms and provided little medical attention.

A January report from the Justice Department's inspector general faulted senior Trump Justice Department officials for knowing the policy change would result in families being separated, but pressing ahead without preparing for it.

Several of the families started filing lawsuits seeking compensation under the Federal Tort Claims Act in 2019 and 2020, and some of the legal decisions have since gone in favor of the families. In March 2020, for example, a federal judge in Arizona denied the Justice Department's bid to dismiss one of the earliest such lawsuits, rejecting the government's argument that it had been authorized by regulation and statute to proceed with its prosecution and detention strategy of the immigrant families.

"The United States has cited to no statute explicitly authorizing the government to detain parents and children in separate facilities before it has charged either with a crime. Indeed, no such statute exists," U.S. District Judge Susan Bolton wrote.

In March 2021, lawyers for the families in that case asked the court to force the Justice Department to turn over documents that its inspector general had compiled in the investigation of the separation policy. The Justice Department had argued some of the documents couldn't be turned over because of legal privileges or other grounds. Weeks later, lawyers for the government and the families told the court they had had initial discussions about a possible settlement, according to court filings.

By seeking to settle the cases, legal experts said, the U.S. government is avoiding a series of potentially protracted trials before unpredictable judges and juries and no obvious comparisons to draw from for the allegations of harm.

In order to calculate a potential payout, child psychologists and other medical experts would be called upon to describe the potential impact of the separation and determine what the cost of therapy might be for each child over the course of decades, legal experts said.

"These can be extremely expensive cases. It's not just the difficulty in estimating the emotional trauma and what that means, it's the idea that something would be carried over so many years," said Adam Zimmerman, who was deputy special master of the 9/11 victim compensation fund and is a professor at Loyola Law School in Los Angeles. "We're talking about kids who might be living with this for a very long time."

When Michigan state officials took to trial in the late 2000s some cases of female prisoners alleging a pattern of sexual abuse in the state's prisons, to determine the possible amount of damages that could be awarded to a pool of hundreds of women making similar claims, they were surprised at how large the jury awards were, said Margo Schlanger, who ran the civil-rights office during the Obama administration at the Department of Homeland Security and now teaches at the University of Michigan law school. After juries awarded millions of dollars to the women, the larger group of women entered into a $100 million settlement with the state in 2009.

Highlighting the potential political impact of a possible settlement over the separated families, a spokesman for the National Republican Congressional Committee, the House Republicans' campaign arm, said in a post last week: "It would be interesting to know how vulnerable House Democrats feel about Joe Biden's plan."

In a poll released last week, the NRCC found that border security ranked second only to jobs and the economy as the top concern for voters. Its poll, conducted from Oct. 16-21, showed that Republicans had a 27-point advantage on the question of which party could best handle the topic of border security, with 54% saying Republicans would do a better job compared with 27% favoring Democrats. That compared with a 10-point advantage held by Republicans in early July.

Other Republicans said they would try to block the payments, though it isn't clear how they could, as such settlements don't require congressional approval. Montana Sen. Steve Daines on Friday said he was drafting an amendment to the coming defense policy bill that would prevent the government from compensating separated families, a move unlikely to gain traction with Democrats in control of Congress.



Sorry…..you crossed illegally. You are entitled to NOTHING.



Yep. So if I break into your house and fall down your stairs and break my neck while illegally trespassing in your home, should I be able to sue you for my injuries?
Such fuking nonsense.



But, but, but...no more mean tweets from the orange man. Don’t you feel better now?

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Posted 11/3/21 7:01 AM
 

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Re: Large payout to migrants

Posted by NervousNell

Posted by Raging2020

Posted by mxoxom2004

It is a proposal to settle the lawsuits filed against the US for seperating parents and children at the border.

From the WSJ

WASHINGTON—Eleven Republican senators on Monday asked President Biden to halt his administration's talks to settle lawsuits filed on behalf of immigrant families who say they suffered trauma from being separated after illegally crossing the southern border during the Trump administration.

"[R]ewarding illegal immigration with financial payments runs counter to our laws and would only serve to encourage more lawlessness at our border," Iowa Sen. Chuck Grassley and the 10 other Republican members of the Senate Judiciary Committee wrote in a letter to Mr. Biden. "To that end, I ask that your administration refuse to issue any settlement payments for aliens who broke our laws."

Earlier on Monday Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell also sharply criticized the potential settlements of around $450,000 a person , which The Wall Street Journal reported last week.

"Honestly, this absurd idea feels like a satirical policy proposal that Republicans would have invented to make a parody out of the radical left," Mr. McConnell said on the Senate floor Monday afternoon, previewing a likely line of attack in next year's midterm election.

The White House referred a request for comment to the Justice Department, which didn't immediately respond.

The Journal reported that the Justice, Homeland Security and Health and Human Services departments are considering payments that could amount to close to $1 million a family to resolve lawsuits filed on behalf of parents and children who say the government subjected them to lasting psychological trauma .

People familiar with the matter have said the final numbers could shift and that many families would likely get smaller amounts, depending on their circumstances, but the total potential payout could amount to $1 billion or more. About 940 claims have been filed so far by families that were separated, and government officials aren't sure how many more will come forward or prove eligible under the potential settlement.

By pursuing a settlement, the government is seeking to avoid trials that lawyers experienced with large-scale cases involving alleged emotional distress say could be even costlier.

Mr. McConnell has been using his floor remarks to hit themes that Republicans expect will be issues in the 2022 elections. His speech Monday marked his first extended comments on the topic of possible payments to families separated at the border. Senate Republican hopefuls have been focusing on immigration , viewing it as an issue that could swing voters their way next year.

Democrats expressed mixed views about the proposed settlement. Arizona Rep. Raúl Grijalva welcomed it as one way to address the wrongs of the Trump era, but said it wasn't enough. "It deals with that individual, the rights that were violated and the process that was violated there," he said. "Yes, and the agony for those families on a family per family basis. It's the overall policy that needs more work."

Sen. Mark Kelly of Arizona, considered one of the most vulnerable Senate Democrats, said while he was still seeking details, "I do have concerns. It's a lot of families, and a lot of money."

As part of the Republican Trump administration's so-called zero-tolerance enforcement policy, immigration agents separated thousands of children , ranging from infants to teenagers, from their parents at the southern border in 2018 after they had crossed illegally from Mexico to seek asylum in the U.S.

In some cases, families were forcefully broken up with no provisions to track and later reunite them, government investigations found. The lawsuits allege some of the children suffered from a range of ailments, including heat exhaustion and malnutrition, and were kept in freezing cold rooms and provided little medical attention.

A January report from the Justice Department's inspector general faulted senior Trump Justice Department officials for knowing the policy change would result in families being separated, but pressing ahead without preparing for it.

Several of the families started filing lawsuits seeking compensation under the Federal Tort Claims Act in 2019 and 2020, and some of the legal decisions have since gone in favor of the families. In March 2020, for example, a federal judge in Arizona denied the Justice Department's bid to dismiss one of the earliest such lawsuits, rejecting the government's argument that it had been authorized by regulation and statute to proceed with its prosecution and detention strategy of the immigrant families.

"The United States has cited to no statute explicitly authorizing the government to detain parents and children in separate facilities before it has charged either with a crime. Indeed, no such statute exists," U.S. District Judge Susan Bolton wrote.

In March 2021, lawyers for the families in that case asked the court to force the Justice Department to turn over documents that its inspector general had compiled in the investigation of the separation policy. The Justice Department had argued some of the documents couldn't be turned over because of legal privileges or other grounds. Weeks later, lawyers for the government and the families told the court they had had initial discussions about a possible settlement, according to court filings.

By seeking to settle the cases, legal experts said, the U.S. government is avoiding a series of potentially protracted trials before unpredictable judges and juries and no obvious comparisons to draw from for the allegations of harm.

In order to calculate a potential payout, child psychologists and other medical experts would be called upon to describe the potential impact of the separation and determine what the cost of therapy might be for each child over the course of decades, legal experts said.

"These can be extremely expensive cases. It's not just the difficulty in estimating the emotional trauma and what that means, it's the idea that something would be carried over so many years," said Adam Zimmerman, who was deputy special master of the 9/11 victim compensation fund and is a professor at Loyola Law School in Los Angeles. "We're talking about kids who might be living with this for a very long time."

When Michigan state officials took to trial in the late 2000s some cases of female prisoners alleging a pattern of sexual abuse in the state's prisons, to determine the possible amount of damages that could be awarded to a pool of hundreds of women making similar claims, they were surprised at how large the jury awards were, said Margo Schlanger, who ran the civil-rights office during the Obama administration at the Department of Homeland Security and now teaches at the University of Michigan law school. After juries awarded millions of dollars to the women, the larger group of women entered into a $100 million settlement with the state in 2009.

Highlighting the potential political impact of a possible settlement over the separated families, a spokesman for the National Republican Congressional Committee, the House Republicans' campaign arm, said in a post last week: "It would be interesting to know how vulnerable House Democrats feel about Joe Biden's plan."

In a poll released last week, the NRCC found that border security ranked second only to jobs and the economy as the top concern for voters. Its poll, conducted from Oct. 16-21, showed that Republicans had a 27-point advantage on the question of which party could best handle the topic of border security, with 54% saying Republicans would do a better job compared with 27% favoring Democrats. That compared with a 10-point advantage held by Republicans in early July.

Other Republicans said they would try to block the payments, though it isn't clear how they could, as such settlements don't require congressional approval. Montana Sen. Steve Daines on Friday said he was drafting an amendment to the coming defense policy bill that would prevent the government from compensating separated families, a move unlikely to gain traction with Democrats in control of Congress.



Sorry…..you crossed illegally. You are entitled to NOTHING.



Yep. So if I break into your house and fall down your stairs and break my neck while illegally trespassing in your home, should I be able to sue you for my injuries?
Such fuking nonsense.



That actually happens. People can be sued civilly for anything even if the other party is in the wrong.

Posted 11/3/21 9:38 AM
 

NervousNell
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Member since 11/09

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Re: Large payout to migrants

Posted by CookiePuss

Posted by NervousNell

Posted by Raging2020

Posted by mxoxom2004

It is a proposal to settle the lawsuits filed against the US for seperating parents and children at the border.

From the WSJ

WASHINGTON—Eleven Republican senators on Monday asked President Biden to halt his administration's talks to settle lawsuits filed on behalf of immigrant families who say they suffered trauma from being separated after illegally crossing the southern border during the Trump administration.

"[R]ewarding illegal immigration with financial payments runs counter to our laws and would only serve to encourage more lawlessness at our border," Iowa Sen. Chuck Grassley and the 10 other Republican members of the Senate Judiciary Committee wrote in a letter to Mr. Biden. "To that end, I ask that your administration refuse to issue any settlement payments for aliens who broke our laws."

Earlier on Monday Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell also sharply criticized the potential settlements of around $450,000 a person , which The Wall Street Journal reported last week.

"Honestly, this absurd idea feels like a satirical policy proposal that Republicans would have invented to make a parody out of the radical left," Mr. McConnell said on the Senate floor Monday afternoon, previewing a likely line of attack in next year's midterm election.

The White House referred a request for comment to the Justice Department, which didn't immediately respond.

The Journal reported that the Justice, Homeland Security and Health and Human Services departments are considering payments that could amount to close to $1 million a family to resolve lawsuits filed on behalf of parents and children who say the government subjected them to lasting psychological trauma .

People familiar with the matter have said the final numbers could shift and that many families would likely get smaller amounts, depending on their circumstances, but the total potential payout could amount to $1 billion or more. About 940 claims have been filed so far by families that were separated, and government officials aren't sure how many more will come forward or prove eligible under the potential settlement.

By pursuing a settlement, the government is seeking to avoid trials that lawyers experienced with large-scale cases involving alleged emotional distress say could be even costlier.

Mr. McConnell has been using his floor remarks to hit themes that Republicans expect will be issues in the 2022 elections. His speech Monday marked his first extended comments on the topic of possible payments to families separated at the border. Senate Republican hopefuls have been focusing on immigration , viewing it as an issue that could swing voters their way next year.

Democrats expressed mixed views about the proposed settlement. Arizona Rep. Raúl Grijalva welcomed it as one way to address the wrongs of the Trump era, but said it wasn't enough. "It deals with that individual, the rights that were violated and the process that was violated there," he said. "Yes, and the agony for those families on a family per family basis. It's the overall policy that needs more work."

Sen. Mark Kelly of Arizona, considered one of the most vulnerable Senate Democrats, said while he was still seeking details, "I do have concerns. It's a lot of families, and a lot of money."

As part of the Republican Trump administration's so-called zero-tolerance enforcement policy, immigration agents separated thousands of children , ranging from infants to teenagers, from their parents at the southern border in 2018 after they had crossed illegally from Mexico to seek asylum in the U.S.

In some cases, families were forcefully broken up with no provisions to track and later reunite them, government investigations found. The lawsuits allege some of the children suffered from a range of ailments, including heat exhaustion and malnutrition, and were kept in freezing cold rooms and provided little medical attention.

A January report from the Justice Department's inspector general faulted senior Trump Justice Department officials for knowing the policy change would result in families being separated, but pressing ahead without preparing for it.

Several of the families started filing lawsuits seeking compensation under the Federal Tort Claims Act in 2019 and 2020, and some of the legal decisions have since gone in favor of the families. In March 2020, for example, a federal judge in Arizona denied the Justice Department's bid to dismiss one of the earliest such lawsuits, rejecting the government's argument that it had been authorized by regulation and statute to proceed with its prosecution and detention strategy of the immigrant families.

"The United States has cited to no statute explicitly authorizing the government to detain parents and children in separate facilities before it has charged either with a crime. Indeed, no such statute exists," U.S. District Judge Susan Bolton wrote.

In March 2021, lawyers for the families in that case asked the court to force the Justice Department to turn over documents that its inspector general had compiled in the investigation of the separation policy. The Justice Department had argued some of the documents couldn't be turned over because of legal privileges or other grounds. Weeks later, lawyers for the government and the families told the court they had had initial discussions about a possible settlement, according to court filings.

By seeking to settle the cases, legal experts said, the U.S. government is avoiding a series of potentially protracted trials before unpredictable judges and juries and no obvious comparisons to draw from for the allegations of harm.

In order to calculate a potential payout, child psychologists and other medical experts would be called upon to describe the potential impact of the separation and determine what the cost of therapy might be for each child over the course of decades, legal experts said.

"These can be extremely expensive cases. It's not just the difficulty in estimating the emotional trauma and what that means, it's the idea that something would be carried over so many years," said Adam Zimmerman, who was deputy special master of the 9/11 victim compensation fund and is a professor at Loyola Law School in Los Angeles. "We're talking about kids who might be living with this for a very long time."

When Michigan state officials took to trial in the late 2000s some cases of female prisoners alleging a pattern of sexual abuse in the state's prisons, to determine the possible amount of damages that could be awarded to a pool of hundreds of women making similar claims, they were surprised at how large the jury awards were, said Margo Schlanger, who ran the civil-rights office during the Obama administration at the Department of Homeland Security and now teaches at the University of Michigan law school. After juries awarded millions of dollars to the women, the larger group of women entered into a $100 million settlement with the state in 2009.

Highlighting the potential political impact of a possible settlement over the separated families, a spokesman for the National Republican Congressional Committee, the House Republicans' campaign arm, said in a post last week: "It would be interesting to know how vulnerable House Democrats feel about Joe Biden's plan."

In a poll released last week, the NRCC found that border security ranked second only to jobs and the economy as the top concern for voters. Its poll, conducted from Oct. 16-21, showed that Republicans had a 27-point advantage on the question of which party could best handle the topic of border security, with 54% saying Republicans would do a better job compared with 27% favoring Democrats. That compared with a 10-point advantage held by Republicans in early July.

Other Republicans said they would try to block the payments, though it isn't clear how they could, as such settlements don't require congressional approval. Montana Sen. Steve Daines on Friday said he was drafting an amendment to the coming defense policy bill that would prevent the government from compensating separated families, a move unlikely to gain traction with Democrats in control of Congress.



Sorry…..you crossed illegally. You are entitled to NOTHING.



Yep. So if I break into your house and fall down your stairs and break my neck while illegally trespassing in your home, should I be able to sue you for my injuries?
Such fuking nonsense.



That actually happens. People can be sued civilly for anything even if the other party is in the wrong.



Yes and it doesn't make it right.
This country is really ridiculous with some of the shit like that that is allowed to go on and is even entertained in the courts.

Posted 11/3/21 9:40 AM
 

JennP
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Member since 10/06

3986 total posts

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Jenn

Re: Large payout to migrants

Several corrections needed here.

This is specifically and only for lawsuits stemming from the period of a few months in 2018 when children were separated from their parents at the southern border causing unimaginable psychological trauma. Many - probably most but not sure - have not yet been reunited.

Additionally, the large majority of these are from asylum seekers. Seeking asylum is not a crime. Had we not spent many years f*cking up Latin America in a variety of ways, perhaps there wouldn't be so many asylum seekers, which leads to our moral responsibility to help these people to the extent possible.

This policy is no longer in effect so there is no "incentive" for migrants to come to the border because of this "payout."

This is a potential settlement figure and most will be much lower, but the larger point is that this is in response to lawsuits that they are trying to settle. One big lawsuit win in the courts and we will be shelling out a hell of a lot more than these numbers.

Biden is trying to do the right thing in helping to clean up one of the Trump admin's many screw ups - yes, it was a screw up, with bipartisan pushback - but people will listen to the soundbites and it will bite him in the ass.

Posted 11/3/21 9:52 AM
 

RomeyT
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Re: Large payout to migrants

Posted by JennP

Several corrections needed here.

This is specifically and only for lawsuits stemming from the period of a few months in 2018 when children were separated from their parents at the southern border causing unimaginable psychological trauma. Many - probably most but not sure - have not yet been reunited.

Additionally, the large majority of these are from asylum seekers. Seeking asylum is not a crime. Had we not spent many years f*cking up Latin America in a variety of ways, perhaps there wouldn't be so many asylum seekers, which leads to our moral responsibility to help these people to the extent possible.

This policy is no longer in effect so there is no "incentive" for migrants to come to the border because of this "payout."

This is a potential settlement figure and most will be much lower, but the larger point is that this is in response to lawsuits that they are trying to settle. One big lawsuit win in the courts and we will be shelling out a hell of a lot more than these numbers.

Biden is trying to do the right thing in helping to clean up one of the Trump admin's many screw ups - yes, it was a screw up, with bipartisan pushback - but people will listen to the soundbites and it will bite him in the ass.



The lawsuits were likely filed by predatory attorneys. The “psychological trauma” was probably mitigated in cases where those minors could have been trafficked. But let’s ignore that fact.

Also, Biden is doing nothing more than broadening his voter-base and furthering his mission to create welfare state. To think he is “doing the right thing” is childish.

Message edited 11/3/2021 10:42:47 AM.

Posted 11/3/21 10:42 AM
 

mommy2devin
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Re: Large payout to migrants

Posted by windyweather21

Posted by NervousNell

Posted by Raging2020

Posted by mxoxom2004

It is a proposal to settle the lawsuits filed against the US for seperating parents and children at the border.

From the WSJ

WASHINGTON—Eleven Republican senators on Monday asked President Biden to halt his administration's talks to settle lawsuits filed on behalf of immigrant families who say they suffered trauma from being separated after illegally crossing the southern border during the Trump administration.

"[R]ewarding illegal immigration with financial payments runs counter to our laws and would only serve to encourage more lawlessness at our border," Iowa Sen. Chuck Grassley and the 10 other Republican members of the Senate Judiciary Committee wrote in a letter to Mr. Biden. "To that end, I ask that your administration refuse to issue any settlement payments for aliens who broke our laws."

Earlier on Monday Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell also sharply criticized the potential settlements of around $450,000 a person , which The Wall Street Journal reported last week.

"Honestly, this absurd idea feels like a satirical policy proposal that Republicans would have invented to make a parody out of the radical left," Mr. McConnell said on the Senate floor Monday afternoon, previewing a likely line of attack in next year's midterm election.

The White House referred a request for comment to the Justice Department, which didn't immediately respond.

The Journal reported that the Justice, Homeland Security and Health and Human Services departments are considering payments that could amount to close to $1 million a family to resolve lawsuits filed on behalf of parents and children who say the government subjected them to lasting psychological trauma .

People familiar with the matter have said the final numbers could shift and that many families would likely get smaller amounts, depending on their circumstances, but the total potential payout could amount to $1 billion or more. About 940 claims have been filed so far by families that were separated, and government officials aren't sure how many more will come forward or prove eligible under the potential settlement.

By pursuing a settlement, the government is seeking to avoid trials that lawyers experienced with large-scale cases involving alleged emotional distress say could be even costlier.

Mr. McConnell has been using his floor remarks to hit themes that Republicans expect will be issues in the 2022 elections. His speech Monday marked his first extended comments on the topic of possible payments to families separated at the border. Senate Republican hopefuls have been focusing on immigration , viewing it as an issue that could swing voters their way next year.

Democrats expressed mixed views about the proposed settlement. Arizona Rep. Raúl Grijalva welcomed it as one way to address the wrongs of the Trump era, but said it wasn't enough. "It deals with that individual, the rights that were violated and the process that was violated there," he said. "Yes, and the agony for those families on a family per family basis. It's the overall policy that needs more work."

Sen. Mark Kelly of Arizona, considered one of the most vulnerable Senate Democrats, said while he was still seeking details, "I do have concerns. It's a lot of families, and a lot of money."

As part of the Republican Trump administration's so-called zero-tolerance enforcement policy, immigration agents separated thousands of children , ranging from infants to teenagers, from their parents at the southern border in 2018 after they had crossed illegally from Mexico to seek asylum in the U.S.

In some cases, families were forcefully broken up with no provisions to track and later reunite them, government investigations found. The lawsuits allege some of the children suffered from a range of ailments, including heat exhaustion and malnutrition, and were kept in freezing cold rooms and provided little medical attention.

A January report from the Justice Department's inspector general faulted senior Trump Justice Department officials for knowing the policy change would result in families being separated, but pressing ahead without preparing for it.

Several of the families started filing lawsuits seeking compensation under the Federal Tort Claims Act in 2019 and 2020, and some of the legal decisions have since gone in favor of the families. In March 2020, for example, a federal judge in Arizona denied the Justice Department's bid to dismiss one of the earliest such lawsuits, rejecting the government's argument that it had been authorized by regulation and statute to proceed with its prosecution and detention strategy of the immigrant families.

"The United States has cited to no statute explicitly authorizing the government to detain parents and children in separate facilities before it has charged either with a crime. Indeed, no such statute exists," U.S. District Judge Susan Bolton wrote.

In March 2021, lawyers for the families in that case asked the court to force the Justice Department to turn over documents that its inspector general had compiled in the investigation of the separation policy. The Justice Department had argued some of the documents couldn't be turned over because of legal privileges or other grounds. Weeks later, lawyers for the government and the families told the court they had had initial discussions about a possible settlement, according to court filings.

By seeking to settle the cases, legal experts said, the U.S. government is avoiding a series of potentially protracted trials before unpredictable judges and juries and no obvious comparisons to draw from for the allegations of harm.

In order to calculate a potential payout, child psychologists and other medical experts would be called upon to describe the potential impact of the separation and determine what the cost of therapy might be for each child over the course of decades, legal experts said.

"These can be extremely expensive cases. It's not just the difficulty in estimating the emotional trauma and what that means, it's the idea that something would be carried over so many years," said Adam Zimmerman, who was deputy special master of the 9/11 victim compensation fund and is a professor at Loyola Law School in Los Angeles. "We're talking about kids who might be living with this for a very long time."

When Michigan state officials took to trial in the late 2000s some cases of female prisoners alleging a pattern of sexual abuse in the state's prisons, to determine the possible amount of damages that could be awarded to a pool of hundreds of women making similar claims, they were surprised at how large the jury awards were, said Margo Schlanger, who ran the civil-rights office during the Obama administration at the Department of Homeland Security and now teaches at the University of Michigan law school. After juries awarded millions of dollars to the women, the larger group of women entered into a $100 million settlement with the state in 2009.

Highlighting the potential political impact of a possible settlement over the separated families, a spokesman for the National Republican Congressional Committee, the House Republicans' campaign arm, said in a post last week: "It would be interesting to know how vulnerable House Democrats feel about Joe Biden's plan."

In a poll released last week, the NRCC found that border security ranked second only to jobs and the economy as the top concern for voters. Its poll, conducted from Oct. 16-21, showed that Republicans had a 27-point advantage on the question of which party could best handle the topic of border security, with 54% saying Republicans would do a better job compared with 27% favoring Democrats. That compared with a 10-point advantage held by Republicans in early July.

Other Republicans said they would try to block the payments, though it isn't clear how they could, as such settlements don't require congressional approval. Montana Sen. Steve Daines on Friday said he was drafting an amendment to the coming defense policy bill that would prevent the government from compensating separated families, a move unlikely to gain traction with Democrats in control of Congress.



Sorry…..you crossed illegally. You are entitled to NOTHING.



Yep. So if I break into your house and fall down your stairs and break my neck while illegally trespassing in your home, should I be able to sue you for my injuries?
Such fuking nonsense.



But, but, but...no more mean tweets from the orange man. Don’t you feel better now?

Where are all the Biden voters now on this site? Chat Icon



Still here, just not taking the bait.

Posted 11/3/21 10:51 AM
 

windyweather21
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Re: Large payout to migrants

Posted by mommy2devin

Posted by windyweather21

Posted by NervousNell

Posted by Raging2020

Posted by mxoxom2004

It is a proposal to settle the lawsuits filed against the US for seperating parents and children at the border.

From the WSJ

WASHINGTON—Eleven Republican senators on Monday asked President Biden to halt his administration's talks to settle lawsuits filed on behalf of immigrant families who say they suffered trauma from being separated after illegally crossing the southern border during the Trump administration.

"[R]ewarding illegal immigration with financial payments runs counter to our laws and would only serve to encourage more lawlessness at our border," Iowa Sen. Chuck Grassley and the 10 other Republican members of the Senate Judiciary Committee wrote in a letter to Mr. Biden. "To that end, I ask that your administration refuse to issue any settlement payments for aliens who broke our laws."

Earlier on Monday Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell also sharply criticized the potential settlements of around $450,000 a person , which The Wall Street Journal reported last week.

"Honestly, this absurd idea feels like a satirical policy proposal that Republicans would have invented to make a parody out of the radical left," Mr. McConnell said on the Senate floor Monday afternoon, previewing a likely line of attack in next year's midterm election.

The White House referred a request for comment to the Justice Department, which didn't immediately respond.

The Journal reported that the Justice, Homeland Security and Health and Human Services departments are considering payments that could amount to close to $1 million a family to resolve lawsuits filed on behalf of parents and children who say the government subjected them to lasting psychological trauma .

People familiar with the matter have said the final numbers could shift and that many families would likely get smaller amounts, depending on their circumstances, but the total potential payout could amount to $1 billion or more. About 940 claims have been filed so far by families that were separated, and government officials aren't sure how many more will come forward or prove eligible under the potential settlement.

By pursuing a settlement, the government is seeking to avoid trials that lawyers experienced with large-scale cases involving alleged emotional distress say could be even costlier.

Mr. McConnell has been using his floor remarks to hit themes that Republicans expect will be issues in the 2022 elections. His speech Monday marked his first extended comments on the topic of possible payments to families separated at the border. Senate Republican hopefuls have been focusing on immigration , viewing it as an issue that could swing voters their way next year.

Democrats expressed mixed views about the proposed settlement. Arizona Rep. Raúl Grijalva welcomed it as one way to address the wrongs of the Trump era, but said it wasn't enough. "It deals with that individual, the rights that were violated and the process that was violated there," he said. "Yes, and the agony for those families on a family per family basis. It's the overall policy that needs more work."

Sen. Mark Kelly of Arizona, considered one of the most vulnerable Senate Democrats, said while he was still seeking details, "I do have concerns. It's a lot of families, and a lot of money."

As part of the Republican Trump administration's so-called zero-tolerance enforcement policy, immigration agents separated thousands of children , ranging from infants to teenagers, from their parents at the southern border in 2018 after they had crossed illegally from Mexico to seek asylum in the U.S.

In some cases, families were forcefully broken up with no provisions to track and later reunite them, government investigations found. The lawsuits allege some of the children suffered from a range of ailments, including heat exhaustion and malnutrition, and were kept in freezing cold rooms and provided little medical attention.

A January report from the Justice Department's inspector general faulted senior Trump Justice Department officials for knowing the policy change would result in families being separated, but pressing ahead without preparing for it.

Several of the families started filing lawsuits seeking compensation under the Federal Tort Claims Act in 2019 and 2020, and some of the legal decisions have since gone in favor of the families. In March 2020, for example, a federal judge in Arizona denied the Justice Department's bid to dismiss one of the earliest such lawsuits, rejecting the government's argument that it had been authorized by regulation and statute to proceed with its prosecution and detention strategy of the immigrant families.

"The United States has cited to no statute explicitly authorizing the government to detain parents and children in separate facilities before it has charged either with a crime. Indeed, no such statute exists," U.S. District Judge Susan Bolton wrote.

In March 2021, lawyers for the families in that case asked the court to force the Justice Department to turn over documents that its inspector general had compiled in the investigation of the separation policy. The Justice Department had argued some of the documents couldn't be turned over because of legal privileges or other grounds. Weeks later, lawyers for the government and the families told the court they had had initial discussions about a possible settlement, according to court filings.

By seeking to settle the cases, legal experts said, the U.S. government is avoiding a series of potentially protracted trials before unpredictable judges and juries and no obvious comparisons to draw from for the allegations of harm.

In order to calculate a potential payout, child psychologists and other medical experts would be called upon to describe the potential impact of the separation and determine what the cost of therapy might be for each child over the course of decades, legal experts said.

"These can be extremely expensive cases. It's not just the difficulty in estimating the emotional trauma and what that means, it's the idea that something would be carried over so many years," said Adam Zimmerman, who was deputy special master of the 9/11 victim compensation fund and is a professor at Loyola Law School in Los Angeles. "We're talking about kids who might be living with this for a very long time."

When Michigan state officials took to trial in the late 2000s some cases of female prisoners alleging a pattern of sexual abuse in the state's prisons, to determine the possible amount of damages that could be awarded to a pool of hundreds of women making similar claims, they were surprised at how large the jury awards were, said Margo Schlanger, who ran the civil-rights office during the Obama administration at the Department of Homeland Security and now teaches at the University of Michigan law school. After juries awarded millions of dollars to the women, the larger group of women entered into a $100 million settlement with the state in 2009.

Highlighting the potential political impact of a possible settlement over the separated families, a spokesman for the National Republican Congressional Committee, the House Republicans' campaign arm, said in a post last week: "It would be interesting to know how vulnerable House Democrats feel about Joe Biden's plan."

In a poll released last week, the NRCC found that border security ranked second only to jobs and the economy as the top concern for voters. Its poll, conducted from Oct. 16-21, showed that Republicans had a 27-point advantage on the question of which party could best handle the topic of border security, with 54% saying Republicans would do a better job compared with 27% favoring Democrats. That compared with a 10-point advantage held by Republicans in early July.

Other Republicans said they would try to block the payments, though it isn't clear how they could, as such settlements don't require congressional approval. Montana Sen. Steve Daines on Friday said he was drafting an amendment to the coming defense policy bill that would prevent the government from compensating separated families, a move unlikely to gain traction with Democrats in control of Congress.



Sorry…..you crossed illegally. You are entitled to NOTHING.



Yep. So if I break into your house and fall down your stairs and break my neck while illegally trespassing in your home, should I be able to sue you for my injuries?
Such fuking nonsense.



But, but, but...no more mean tweets from the orange man. Don’t you feel better now?

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Still here, just not taking the bait.



I wouldn’t either as it is quite embarrassing.

Posted 11/3/21 10:53 AM
 

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Re: Large payout to migrants

Posted by windyweather21

Posted by NervousNell

Posted by Raging2020

Posted by mxoxom2004

It is a proposal to settle the lawsuits filed against the US for seperating parents and children at the border.

From the WSJ

WASHINGTON—Eleven Republican senators on Monday asked President Biden to halt his administration's talks to settle lawsuits filed on behalf of immigrant families who say they suffered trauma from being separated after illegally crossing the southern border during the Trump administration.

"[R]ewarding illegal immigration with financial payments runs counter to our laws and would only serve to encourage more lawlessness at our border," Iowa Sen. Chuck Grassley and the 10 other Republican members of the Senate Judiciary Committee wrote in a letter to Mr. Biden. "To that end, I ask that your administration refuse to issue any settlement payments for aliens who broke our laws."

Earlier on Monday Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell also sharply criticized the potential settlements of around $450,000 a person , which The Wall Street Journal reported last week.

"Honestly, this absurd idea feels like a satirical policy proposal that Republicans would have invented to make a parody out of the radical left," Mr. McConnell said on the Senate floor Monday afternoon, previewing a likely line of attack in next year's midterm election.

The White House referred a request for comment to the Justice Department, which didn't immediately respond.

The Journal reported that the Justice, Homeland Security and Health and Human Services departments are considering payments that could amount to close to $1 million a family to resolve lawsuits filed on behalf of parents and children who say the government subjected them to lasting psychological trauma .

People familiar with the matter have said the final numbers could shift and that many families would likely get smaller amounts, depending on their circumstances, but the total potential payout could amount to $1 billion or more. About 940 claims have been filed so far by families that were separated, and government officials aren't sure how many more will come forward or prove eligible under the potential settlement.

By pursuing a settlement, the government is seeking to avoid trials that lawyers experienced with large-scale cases involving alleged emotional distress say could be even costlier.

Mr. McConnell has been using his floor remarks to hit themes that Republicans expect will be issues in the 2022 elections. His speech Monday marked his first extended comments on the topic of possible payments to families separated at the border. Senate Republican hopefuls have been focusing on immigration , viewing it as an issue that could swing voters their way next year.

Democrats expressed mixed views about the proposed settlement. Arizona Rep. Raúl Grijalva welcomed it as one way to address the wrongs of the Trump era, but said it wasn't enough. "It deals with that individual, the rights that were violated and the process that was violated there," he said. "Yes, and the agony for those families on a family per family basis. It's the overall policy that needs more work."

Sen. Mark Kelly of Arizona, considered one of the most vulnerable Senate Democrats, said while he was still seeking details, "I do have concerns. It's a lot of families, and a lot of money."

As part of the Republican Trump administration's so-called zero-tolerance enforcement policy, immigration agents separated thousands of children , ranging from infants to teenagers, from their parents at the southern border in 2018 after they had crossed illegally from Mexico to seek asylum in the U.S.

In some cases, families were forcefully broken up with no provisions to track and later reunite them, government investigations found. The lawsuits allege some of the children suffered from a range of ailments, including heat exhaustion and malnutrition, and were kept in freezing cold rooms and provided little medical attention.

A January report from the Justice Department's inspector general faulted senior Trump Justice Department officials for knowing the policy change would result in families being separated, but pressing ahead without preparing for it.

Several of the families started filing lawsuits seeking compensation under the Federal Tort Claims Act in 2019 and 2020, and some of the legal decisions have since gone in favor of the families. In March 2020, for example, a federal judge in Arizona denied the Justice Department's bid to dismiss one of the earliest such lawsuits, rejecting the government's argument that it had been authorized by regulation and statute to proceed with its prosecution and detention strategy of the immigrant families.

"The United States has cited to no statute explicitly authorizing the government to detain parents and children in separate facilities before it has charged either with a crime. Indeed, no such statute exists," U.S. District Judge Susan Bolton wrote.

In March 2021, lawyers for the families in that case asked the court to force the Justice Department to turn over documents that its inspector general had compiled in the investigation of the separation policy. The Justice Department had argued some of the documents couldn't be turned over because of legal privileges or other grounds. Weeks later, lawyers for the government and the families told the court they had had initial discussions about a possible settlement, according to court filings.

By seeking to settle the cases, legal experts said, the U.S. government is avoiding a series of potentially protracted trials before unpredictable judges and juries and no obvious comparisons to draw from for the allegations of harm.

In order to calculate a potential payout, child psychologists and other medical experts would be called upon to describe the potential impact of the separation and determine what the cost of therapy might be for each child over the course of decades, legal experts said.

"These can be extremely expensive cases. It's not just the difficulty in estimating the emotional trauma and what that means, it's the idea that something would be carried over so many years," said Adam Zimmerman, who was deputy special master of the 9/11 victim compensation fund and is a professor at Loyola Law School in Los Angeles. "We're talking about kids who might be living with this for a very long time."

When Michigan state officials took to trial in the late 2000s some cases of female prisoners alleging a pattern of sexual abuse in the state's prisons, to determine the possible amount of damages that could be awarded to a pool of hundreds of women making similar claims, they were surprised at how large the jury awards were, said Margo Schlanger, who ran the civil-rights office during the Obama administration at the Department of Homeland Security and now teaches at the University of Michigan law school. After juries awarded millions of dollars to the women, the larger group of women entered into a $100 million settlement with the state in 2009.

Highlighting the potential political impact of a possible settlement over the separated families, a spokesman for the National Republican Congressional Committee, the House Republicans' campaign arm, said in a post last week: "It would be interesting to know how vulnerable House Democrats feel about Joe Biden's plan."

In a poll released last week, the NRCC found that border security ranked second only to jobs and the economy as the top concern for voters. Its poll, conducted from Oct. 16-21, showed that Republicans had a 27-point advantage on the question of which party could best handle the topic of border security, with 54% saying Republicans would do a better job compared with 27% favoring Democrats. That compared with a 10-point advantage held by Republicans in early July.

Other Republicans said they would try to block the payments, though it isn't clear how they could, as such settlements don't require congressional approval. Montana Sen. Steve Daines on Friday said he was drafting an amendment to the coming defense policy bill that would prevent the government from compensating separated families, a move unlikely to gain traction with Democrats in control of Congress.



Sorry…..you crossed illegally. You are entitled to NOTHING.



Yep. So if I break into your house and fall down your stairs and break my neck while illegally trespassing in your home, should I be able to sue you for my injuries?
Such fuking nonsense.



But, but, but...no more mean tweets from the orange man. Don’t you feel better now?

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They are here and posting. You just don't like what you read.
ETA:

I have asked this previously but to you I will ask...What do you think would be different today if Trump had won the 2020 election?
Do you think that gas and oil would have not gone up?
Do you think the problems with the supply chain would not have happened?
Do you think the Delta variant would have been contained?
Do you think inflation would have been kept below 3% even with GDP in 6.7%?
Do you think migrants would have suddenly stopped coming to the borders?

Some of the above are happening globally which would indicate is't not something that the current administration - any administration - would have been able to prevent.
What do you think would be different?

Message edited 11/3/2021 12:00:48 PM.

Posted 11/3/21 11:56 AM
 

JennP
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Re: Large payout to migrants

Posted by RomeyT

Posted by JennP

Several corrections needed here.

This is specifically and only for lawsuits stemming from the period of a few months in 2018 when children were separated from their parents at the southern border causing unimaginable psychological trauma. Many - probably most but not sure - have not yet been reunited.

Additionally, the large majority of these are from asylum seekers. Seeking asylum is not a crime. Had we not spent many years f*cking up Latin America in a variety of ways, perhaps there wouldn't be so many asylum seekers, which leads to our moral responsibility to help these people to the extent possible.

This policy is no longer in effect so there is no "incentive" for migrants to come to the border because of this "payout."

This is a potential settlement figure and most will be much lower, but the larger point is that this is in response to lawsuits that they are trying to settle. One big lawsuit win in the courts and we will be shelling out a hell of a lot more than these numbers.

Biden is trying to do the right thing in helping to clean up one of the Trump admin's many screw ups - yes, it was a screw up, with bipartisan pushback - but people will listen to the soundbites and it will bite him in the ass.



The lawsuits were likely filed by predatory attorneys. The “psychological trauma” was probably mitigated in cases where those minors could have been trafficked. But let’s ignore that fact.

Also, Biden is doing nothing more than broadening his voter-base and furthering his mission to create welfare state. To think he is “doing the right thing” is childish.



As usual, you guys resort to name calling when the facts aren't on your side.

There is no evidence or indication that those children were being trafficked.

I understand that right wingers aren't happy right now. I'm also not happy but my reasons are surely different. I want to see Dems use their power to fight our significant problems because if Republicans take back power it's 100% certain they won't be solved as they do not have the solutions to do so. (Nor are they even pretending to, as they had no policy platform at the 2020 convention.) They simply fight the culture wars.

I want an infrastructure bill, progress on climate change, investments in education, etc. The things that actually make peoples' lives better. Progress has been made but not enough and they're infighting while we are running out of time.

Posted 11/3/21 12:31 PM
 
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