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Diane
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Re: Georgia voting law
Posted by GoldenRod
You need ID to get a non-driver's ID....
You need a birth certificate and SS card. The fee varies based on your age and if you are on SS, and no fee if you receive public assitance.
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NervousNell
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Re: Georgia voting law
Posted by GoldenRod
You need ID to get a non-driver's ID....
Yes a birth certificate and social security card- which everyone has regardless of their financial situation.
I never heard someone say they didn't have a birth certificate because they didn't have financial means.
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Pomegranate5
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Re: Georgia voting law
So you're saying that there are thousands and thousands of citizens out there who..
a. Are living so far off the grid that they have never in their life needed ID
b. Desperately wants to vote in elections
c. Would be unable to take any of the basic and free steps necessary to get an ID (steps that are not any more difficult than, say, actually voting)
Really?
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lululu
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Re: Georgia voting law
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by GoldenRod
You need ID to get a non-driver's ID....
Yes a birth certificate and social security card- which everyone has regardless of their financial situation.
I never heard someone say they didn't have a birth certificate because they didn't have financial means.
What if they are so poor they were born at home and never registered at a hospital? then what?
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Re: Georgia voting law
Posted by lululu
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by GoldenRod
You need ID to get a non-driver's ID....
Yes a birth certificate and social security card- which everyone has regardless of their financial situation.
I never heard someone say they didn't have a birth certificate because they didn't have financial means.
What if they are so poor they were born at home and never registered at a hospital? then what?
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lululu
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Re: Georgia voting law
Posted by Pomegranate5
So you're saying that there are thousands and thousands of citizens out there who..
a. Are living so far off the grid that they have never in their life needed ID
b. Desperately wants to vote in elections
c. Would be unable to take any of the basic and free steps necessary to get an ID (steps that are not any more difficult than, say, actually voting)
Really?
Exactly - there is all this talk about how many people don't have ID - but how many of those people actually do vote or want to vote?
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Re: Georgia voting law
Posted by lululu
Posted by Pomegranate5
So you're saying that there are thousands and thousands of citizens out there who..
a. Are living so far off the grid that they have never in their life needed ID
b. Desperately wants to vote in elections
c. Would be unable to take any of the basic and free steps necessary to get an ID (steps that are not any more difficult than, say, actually voting)
Really?
Exactly - there is all this talk about how many people don't have ID - but how many of those people actually do vote or want to vote?
Very good point. It’s like everyone knows these people personally and knows their life stories.
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RomeyT
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Re: Georgia voting law
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by lululu
Posted by Pomegranate5
So you're saying that there are thousands and thousands of citizens out there who..
a. Are living so far off the grid that they have never in their life needed ID
b. Desperately wants to vote in elections
c. Would be unable to take any of the basic and free steps necessary to get an ID (steps that are not any more difficult than, say, actually voting)
Really?
Exactly - there is all this talk about how many people don't have ID - but how many of those people actually do vote or want to vote?
Very good point. It’s like everyone knows these people personally and knows their life stories.
I’m sick of people creating a victim narrative where none exist. There are plenty of countries that require voter ID and they manage. Stop assuming there are millions and millions of people who could not possibly obtain a valid ID because of their life circumstances.
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CookiePuss
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Re: Georgia voting law
Posted by RomeyT
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by lululu
Posted by Pomegranate5
So you're saying that there are thousands and thousands of citizens out there who..
a. Are living so far off the grid that they have never in their life needed ID
b. Desperately wants to vote in elections
c. Would be unable to take any of the basic and free steps necessary to get an ID (steps that are not any more difficult than, say, actually voting)
Really?
Exactly - there is all this talk about how many people don't have ID - but how many of those people actually do vote or want to vote?
Very good point. It’s like everyone knows these people personally and knows their life stories.
I’m sick of people creating a victim narrative where none exist. There are plenty of countries that require voter ID and they manage. Stop assuming there are millions and millions of people who could not possibly obtain a valid ID because of their life circumstances.
It's not an assumption; there are millions of people with out ID.
If they want to vote or not - I don't know.
It's not a victim narrative as there has been plenty shared as to the intent of the GA Voting law changes. The intent of the law is not to make voting more secure- the intent is to create voter suppression.
There are also plenty of countries without a democratic process. The comparison doesn't have anything to do with the discussion regarding the GA Voting law changes.
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Re: Georgia voting law
Posted by CookiePuss
Posted by RomeyT
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by lululu
Posted by Pomegranate5
So you're saying that there are thousands and thousands of citizens out there who..
a. Are living so far off the grid that they have never in their life needed ID
b. Desperately wants to vote in elections
c. Would be unable to take any of the basic and free steps necessary to get an ID (steps that are not any more difficult than, say, actually voting)
Really?
Exactly - there is all this talk about how many people don't have ID - but how many of those people actually do vote or want to vote?
Very good point. It’s like everyone knows these people personally and knows their life stories.
I’m sick of people creating a victim narrative where none exist. There are plenty of countries that require voter ID and they manage. Stop assuming there are millions and millions of people who could not possibly obtain a valid ID because of their life circumstances.
It's not an assumption; there are millions of people with out ID.
If they want to vote or not - I don't know.
It's not a victim narrative as there has been plenty shared as to the intent of the GA Voting law changes. The intent of the law is not to make voting more secure- the intent is to create voter suppression.
There are also plenty of countries without a democratic process. The comparison doesn't have anything to do with the discussion regarding the GA Voting law changes.
The point is that just because they don’t have an ID doesn’t mean they want one or can’t get one.
Everyone makes assumptions about people no one knows.
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CookiePuss
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Re: Georgia voting law
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by CookiePuss
Posted by RomeyT
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by lululu
Posted by Pomegranate5
So you're saying that there are thousands and thousands of citizens out there who..
a. Are living so far off the grid that they have never in their life needed ID
b. Desperately wants to vote in elections
c. Would be unable to take any of the basic and free steps necessary to get an ID (steps that are not any more difficult than, say, actually voting)
Really?
Exactly - there is all this talk about how many people don't have ID - but how many of those people actually do vote or want to vote?
Very good point. It’s like everyone knows these people personally and knows their life stories.
I’m sick of people creating a victim narrative where none exist. There are plenty of countries that require voter ID and they manage. Stop assuming there are millions and millions of people who could not possibly obtain a valid ID because of their life circumstances.
It's not an assumption; there are millions of people with out ID.
If they want to vote or not - I don't know.
It's not a victim narrative as there has been plenty shared as to the intent of the GA Voting law changes. The intent of the law is not to make voting more secure- the intent is to create voter suppression.
There are also plenty of countries without a democratic process. The comparison doesn't have anything to do with the discussion regarding the GA Voting law changes.
The point is that just because they don’t have an ID doesn’t mean they want one or can’t get one.
Everyone makes assumptions about people no one knows.
You can move past assumptions if you choose to read and learn why millions of Americans don't have gov't issued IDs.
NPR
Checkyourfacts
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Re: Georgia voting law
Posted by CookiePuss
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by CookiePuss
Posted by RomeyT
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by lululu
Posted by Pomegranate5
So you're saying that there are thousands and thousands of citizens out there who..
a. Are living so far off the grid that they have never in their life needed ID
b. Desperately wants to vote in elections
c. Would be unable to take any of the basic and free steps necessary to get an ID (steps that are not any more difficult than, say, actually voting)
Really?
Exactly - there is all this talk about how many people don't have ID - but how many of those people actually do vote or want to vote?
Very good point. It’s like everyone knows these people personally and knows their life stories.
I’m sick of people creating a victim narrative where none exist. There are plenty of countries that require voter ID and they manage. Stop assuming there are millions and millions of people who could not possibly obtain a valid ID because of their life circumstances.
It's not an assumption; there are millions of people with out ID.
If they want to vote or not - I don't know.
It's not a victim narrative as there has been plenty shared as to the intent of the GA Voting law changes. The intent of the law is not to make voting more secure- the intent is to create voter suppression.
There are also plenty of countries without a democratic process. The comparison doesn't have anything to do with the discussion regarding the GA Voting law changes.
The point is that just because they don’t have an ID doesn’t mean they want one or can’t get one.
Everyone makes assumptions about people no one knows.
You can move past assumptions if you choose to read and learn why millions of Americans don't have gov't issued IDs.
NPR
Checkyourfacts
Goldenrod already provided these sources which I commented already about.
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RomeyT
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Re: Georgia voting law
Posted by CookiePuss
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by CookiePuss
Posted by RomeyT
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by lululu
Posted by Pomegranate5
So you're saying that there are thousands and thousands of citizens out there who..
a. Are living so far off the grid that they have never in their life needed ID
b. Desperately wants to vote in elections
c. Would be unable to take any of the basic and free steps necessary to get an ID (steps that are not any more difficult than, say, actually voting)
Really?
Exactly - there is all this talk about how many people don't have ID - but how many of those people actually do vote or want to vote?
Very good point. It’s like everyone knows these people personally and knows their life stories.
I’m sick of people creating a victim narrative where none exist. There are plenty of countries that require voter ID and they manage. Stop assuming there are millions and millions of people who could not possibly obtain a valid ID because of their life circumstances.
It's not an assumption; there are millions of people with out ID.
If they want to vote or not - I don't know.
It's not a victim narrative as there has been plenty shared as to the intent of the GA Voting law changes. The intent of the law is not to make voting more secure- the intent is to create voter suppression.
There are also plenty of countries without a democratic process. The comparison doesn't have anything to do with the discussion regarding the GA Voting law changes.
The point is that just because they don’t have an ID doesn’t mean they want one or can’t get one.
Everyone makes assumptions about people no one knows.
You can move past assumptions if you choose to read and learn why millions of Americans don't have gov't issued IDs.
NPR
Checkyourfacts
I’ll pass on the ACLU and NPR “facts”
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CookiePuss
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Re: Georgia voting law
Much of the debate on here has focused on the issued of gov't ID but there are other areas of concern.
Leaving the the ID issue aside...do you think these changes in the GA are really aimed at integrity or is i more of an attempt at making voting harder?
What is the purpose and intent of these laws with regards to:
reducing hours for absentee voting?
The new limit on absentee ballot drop boxes ie: Atlanta going from 94 last year to fewer then 25. What is the purpose of cutting boxes by over 70% especially in urban areas?
Why ban mobile voting centers?
Why did the Republican legislature need to take control of the state election board? Why does the state have the right to suspend county election officials and replace them at will?
Do any of those provisions fit the narrative of making the integrity of the elections better then they had been?
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CookiePuss
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Re: Georgia voting law
Posted by RomeyT
Posted by CookiePuss
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by CookiePuss
Posted by RomeyT
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by lululu
Posted by Pomegranate5
So you're saying that there are thousands and thousands of citizens out there who..
a. Are living so far off the grid that they have never in their life needed ID
b. Desperately wants to vote in elections
c. Would be unable to take any of the basic and free steps necessary to get an ID (steps that are not any more difficult than, say, actually voting)
Really?
Exactly - there is all this talk about how many people don't have ID - but how many of those people actually do vote or want to vote?
Very good point. It’s like everyone knows these people personally and knows their life stories.
I’m sick of people creating a victim narrative where none exist. There are plenty of countries that require voter ID and they manage. Stop assuming there are millions and millions of people who could not possibly obtain a valid ID because of their life circumstances.
It's not an assumption; there are millions of people with out ID.
If they want to vote or not - I don't know.
It's not a victim narrative as there has been plenty shared as to the intent of the GA Voting law changes. The intent of the law is not to make voting more secure- the intent is to create voter suppression.
There are also plenty of countries without a democratic process. The comparison doesn't have anything to do with the discussion regarding the GA Voting law changes.
The point is that just because they don’t have an ID doesn’t mean they want one or can’t get one.
Everyone makes assumptions about people no one knows.
You can move past assumptions if you choose to read and learn why millions of Americans don't have gov't issued IDs.
NPR
Checkyourfacts
I’ll pass on the ACLU and NPR “facts”
Where do you go for your facts? I don't mean that snarky either.
I'm curious to read other platforms that disseminate information.
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lululu
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Re: Georgia voting law
Posted by CookiePuss
Much of the debate on here has focused on the issued of gov't ID but there are other areas of concern.
Leaving the the ID issue aside...do you think these changes in the GA are really aimed at integrity or is i more of an attempt at making voting harder?
What is the purpose and intent of these laws with regards to:
reducing hours for absentee voting?
The new limit on absentee ballot drop boxes ie: Atlanta going from 94 last year to fewer then 25. What is the purpose of cutting boxes by over 70% especially in urban areas?
Why ban mobile voting centers?
Why did the Republican legislature need to take control of the state election board? Why does the state have the right to suspend county election officials and replace them at will?
Do any of those provisions fit the narrative of making the integrity of the elections better then they had been?
This is most likely going to come out the wrong way, but why do we need to make voting so easy for everyone? Shouldn't voting take a little bit of effort? I am not saying make it prohibitively hard for people but I also don't think we need to knock on everyone's door and say "Hey, do you want to vote?" Because of course those people are then going to say "Yeah sure! I'll vote!" But maybe they never even took the time to learn anything about the candidates. Maybe they are just going to fill in whatever name sounds nicest to them. Personally I think we are better off without those people exercising their right to vote.
And of course some people are going to have it harder than others getting to the polls and to that extent we should make voting more accessible but I'm going to go out on a limb and say someone that can't be bothered getting some form of ID is probably also not that worried about voting. You can present me with as many statistics as you want about how many people don't have ID, but until you tell me how many people who WANT to vote would actually not be able to do so because they lack the means (money, time or travel) to get one, I just don't think you are disenfranchising MILLIONS upon MILLIONS of people that actually want to vote. If you say to someone today: In order to vote in the next presidential election you need to find a way to get a government issued ID and that person can not find a way in the almost three years they have to do it, then I'm sorry, but they just don't care...
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RomeyT
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Re: Georgia voting law
Posted by CookiePuss
Much of the debate on here has focused on the issued of gov't ID but there are other areas of concern.
Leaving the the ID issue aside...do you think these changes in the GA are really aimed at integrity or is i more of an attempt at making voting harder?
What is the purpose and intent of these laws with regards to:
reducing hours for absentee voting?
The new limit on absentee ballot drop boxes ie: Atlanta going from 94 last year to fewer then 25. What is the purpose of cutting boxes by over 70% especially in urban areas?
Why ban mobile voting centers?
Why did the Republican legislature need to take control of the state election board? Why does the state have the right to suspend county election officials and replace them at will?
Do any of those provisions fit the narrative of making the integrity of the elections better then they had been?
The bill EXPANDS early voting for most counties
“One of the biggest changes in the bill would expand early voting access for most counties, adding an additional mandatory Saturday and formally codifying Sunday voting hours as optional,” Stephen Fowler of Georgia Public Broadcasting said. “Counties can have early voting open as long as 7 a.m. to 7 p.m., or 9 a.m. to 5 p.m. at minimum. If you live in a larger metropolitan county, you might not notice a change. For most other counties, you will have an extra weekend day, and your weekday early voting hours will likely be longer.”
ETA: to answer your question-yes. I think the changes are aimed at making the process more secure and will give the American public more confidence in the results.
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Naturalmama
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Georgia voting law
I can't believe there are Americans out there who still truly believe that the results of this election were fraudulent. Almost every republican has come forward and said there was absolutely no voter fraud. Biden won the popular vote by more votes than any other candidate in recent history. Where was your rage when Hillary Clinton won the] popular vote in 2016? No need for more secure voting when your dictator hero won the election?
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CookiePuss
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Re: Georgia voting law
Posted by RomeyT
Posted by CookiePuss
Much of the debate on here has focused on the issued of gov't ID but there are other areas of concern.
Leaving the the ID issue aside...do you think these changes in the GA are really aimed at integrity or is i more of an attempt at making voting harder?
What is the purpose and intent of these laws with regards to:
reducing hours for absentee voting?
The new limit on absentee ballot drop boxes ie: Atlanta going from 94 last year to fewer then 25. What is the purpose of cutting boxes by over 70% especially in urban areas?
Why ban mobile voting centers?
Why did the Republican legislature need to take control of the state election board? Why does the state have the right to suspend county election officials and replace them at will?
Do any of those provisions fit the narrative of making the integrity of the elections better then they had been?
The bill EXPANDS early voting for most counties
“One of the biggest changes in the bill would expand early voting access for most counties, adding an additional mandatory Saturday and formally codifying Sunday voting hours as optional,” Stephen Fowler of Georgia Public Broadcasting said. “Counties can have early voting open as long as 7 a.m. to 7 p.m., or 9 a.m. to 5 p.m. at minimum. If you live in a larger metropolitan county, you might not notice a change. For most other counties, you will have an extra weekend day, and your weekday early voting hours will likely be longer.”
ETA: to answer your question-yes. I think the changes are aimed at making the process more secure and will give the American public more confidence in the results.
Do you believe that the GA 2020 election and run off election were riddled with fraud and thus affected the outcome?
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lululu
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Re: Georgia voting law
Posted by CookiePuss
Posted by RomeyT
Posted by CookiePuss
Much of the debate on here has focused on the issued of gov't ID but there are other areas of concern.
Leaving the the ID issue aside...do you think these changes in the GA are really aimed at integrity or is i more of an attempt at making voting harder?
What is the purpose and intent of these laws with regards to:
reducing hours for absentee voting?
The new limit on absentee ballot drop boxes ie: Atlanta going from 94 last year to fewer then 25. What is the purpose of cutting boxes by over 70% especially in urban areas?
Why ban mobile voting centers?
Why did the Republican legislature need to take control of the state election board? Why does the state have the right to suspend county election officials and replace them at will?
Do any of those provisions fit the narrative of making the integrity of the elections better then they had been?
The bill EXPANDS early voting for most counties
“One of the biggest changes in the bill would expand early voting access for most counties, adding an additional mandatory Saturday and formally codifying Sunday voting hours as optional,” Stephen Fowler of Georgia Public Broadcasting said. “Counties can have early voting open as long as 7 a.m. to 7 p.m., or 9 a.m. to 5 p.m. at minimum. If you live in a larger metropolitan county, you might not notice a change. For most other counties, you will have an extra weekend day, and your weekday early voting hours will likely be longer.”
ETA: to answer your question-yes. I think the changes are aimed at making the process more secure and will give the American public more confidence in the results.
Do you believe that the GA 2020 election and run off election were riddled with fraud and thus affected the outcome?
Just because a past election wasn't riddled with fraud does not mean that a future election can't be. Everyone should want a secure election. Isn't that why we try to stop Russian influence over our elections?
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CookiePuss
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Re: Georgia voting law
Posted by lululu
Posted by CookiePuss
Much of the debate on here has focused on the issued of gov't ID but there are other areas of concern.
Leaving the the ID issue aside...do you think these changes in the GA are really aimed at integrity or is i more of an attempt at making voting harder?
What is the purpose and intent of these laws with regards to:
reducing hours for absentee voting?
The new limit on absentee ballot drop boxes ie: Atlanta going from 94 last year to fewer then 25. What is the purpose of cutting boxes by over 70% especially in urban areas?
Why ban mobile voting centers?
Why did the Republican legislature need to take control of the state election board? Why does the state have the right to suspend county election officials and replace them at will?
Do any of those provisions fit the narrative of making the integrity of the elections better then they had been?
This is most likely going to come out the wrong way, but why do we need to make voting so easy for everyone? Shouldn't voting take a little bit of effort? I am not saying make it prohibitively hard for people but I also don't think we need to knock on everyone's door and say "Hey, do you want to vote?" Because of course those people are then going to say "Yeah sure! I'll vote!" But maybe they never even took the time to learn anything about the candidates. Maybe they are just going to fill in whatever name sounds nicest to them. Personally I think we are better off without those people exercising their right to vote.
And of course some people are going to have it harder than others getting to the polls and to that extent we should make voting more accessible but I'm going to go out on a limb and say someone that can't be bothered getting some form of ID is probably also not that worried about voting. You can present me with as many statistics as you want about how many people don't have ID, but until you tell me how many people who WANT to vote would actually not be able to do so because they lack the means (money, time or travel) to get one, I just don't think you are disenfranchising MILLIONS upon MILLIONS of people that actually want to vote. If you say to someone today: In order to vote in the next presidential election you need to find a way to get a government issued ID and that person can not find a way in the almost three years they have to do it, then I'm sorry, but they just don't care...
But what can be hard for some may be easy for me. It's subjective.
It was just a little over a hundred years ago that women were thought not to need the vote because it gives their husbands two votes because they vote the way they are told.
Whether or not I think they are competent to vote is not my decision. There is no prerequisite to voting so they can vote because they like someone's name. It's a right of theirs to exercise.
I don't think there is a causal effect or a mutually dependent factor that if someone can't/won't/doesn't know how to relates to if they want to vote or not.
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RomeyT
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Re: Georgia voting law
Posted by CookiePuss
Posted by RomeyT
Posted by CookiePuss
Much of the debate on here has focused on the issued of gov't ID but there are other areas of concern.
Leaving the the ID issue aside...do you think these changes in the GA are really aimed at integrity or is i more of an attempt at making voting harder?
What is the purpose and intent of these laws with regards to:
reducing hours for absentee voting?
The new limit on absentee ballot drop boxes ie: Atlanta going from 94 last year to fewer then 25. What is the purpose of cutting boxes by over 70% especially in urban areas?
Why ban mobile voting centers?
Why did the Republican legislature need to take control of the state election board? Why does the state have the right to suspend county election officials and replace them at will?
Do any of those provisions fit the narrative of making the integrity of the elections better then they had been?
The bill EXPANDS early voting for most counties
“One of the biggest changes in the bill would expand early voting access for most counties, adding an additional mandatory Saturday and formally codifying Sunday voting hours as optional,” Stephen Fowler of Georgia Public Broadcasting said. “Counties can have early voting open as long as 7 a.m. to 7 p.m., or 9 a.m. to 5 p.m. at minimum. If you live in a larger metropolitan county, you might not notice a change. For most other counties, you will have an extra weekend day, and your weekday early voting hours will likely be longer.”
ETA: to answer your question-yes. I think the changes are aimed at making the process more secure and will give the American public more confidence in the results.
Do you believe that the GA 2020 election and run off election were riddled with fraud and thus affected the outcome?
Absolutely not. But there’s nothing wrong with adding additional layers of security to the system.
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lululu
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Re: Georgia voting law
Posted by CookiePuss
Posted by lululu
Posted by CookiePuss
Much of the debate on here has focused on the issued of gov't ID but there are other areas of concern.
Leaving the the ID issue aside...do you think these changes in the GA are really aimed at integrity or is i more of an attempt at making voting harder?
What is the purpose and intent of these laws with regards to:
reducing hours for absentee voting?
The new limit on absentee ballot drop boxes ie: Atlanta going from 94 last year to fewer then 25. What is the purpose of cutting boxes by over 70% especially in urban areas?
Why ban mobile voting centers?
Why did the Republican legislature need to take control of the state election board? Why does the state have the right to suspend county election officials and replace them at will?
Do any of those provisions fit the narrative of making the integrity of the elections better then they had been?
This is most likely going to come out the wrong way, but why do we need to make voting so easy for everyone? Shouldn't voting take a little bit of effort? I am not saying make it prohibitively hard for people but I also don't think we need to knock on everyone's door and say "Hey, do you want to vote?" Because of course those people are then going to say "Yeah sure! I'll vote!" But maybe they never even took the time to learn anything about the candidates. Maybe they are just going to fill in whatever name sounds nicest to them. Personally I think we are better off without those people exercising their right to vote.
And of course some people are going to have it harder than others getting to the polls and to that extent we should make voting more accessible but I'm going to go out on a limb and say someone that can't be bothered getting some form of ID is probably also not that worried about voting. You can present me with as many statistics as you want about how many people don't have ID, but until you tell me how many people who WANT to vote would actually not be able to do so because they lack the means (money, time or travel) to get one, I just don't think you are disenfranchising MILLIONS upon MILLIONS of people that actually want to vote. If you say to someone today: In order to vote in the next presidential election you need to find a way to get a government issued ID and that person can not find a way in the almost three years they have to do it, then I'm sorry, but they just don't care...
But what can be hard for some may be easy for me. It's subjective.
It was just a little over a hundred years ago that women were thought not to need the vote because it gives their husbands two votes because they vote the way they are told.
Whether or not I think they are competent to vote is not my decision. There is no prerequisite to voting so they can vote because they like someone's name. It's a right of theirs to exercise.
I don't think there is a causal effect or a mutually dependent factor that if someone can't/won't/doesn't know how to relates to if they want to vote or not.
The point you are missing is that having to make at least a minimal effort to vote makes it more likely that you took at least a little bit of time to educate yourself about the candidates. You are comparing apples to oranges.
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| Posted 4/6/21 8:33 PM |
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Mill188
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Re: Georgia voting law
There is nothing wrong about requiring that anyone who wants to vote must follow certain rules.
Here's an unbiased easy article from the BBC regarding the new law:
BBC Georgia voter law fact check
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| Posted 4/6/21 8:50 PM |
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Georgia voting law
So in a dream scenario, what would those of you who think that voting isn’t accessible to enough do? Like have someone go get those disenfranchised voters and bring them to a voting site? If online or absentee ballot send someone to help them do it? I really am curious as to what will make it fair and equal for all since apparently there must be some serious voter suppression going on. Look at all these pages saying that Georgia is making it worse!
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| Posted 4/6/21 9:21 PM |
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