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soontobemommyof2
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Re: ? For elementary school teachers. What would you do?
Posted by quasi3
It's definitely stressful!
Playing devils advocate: how do we know this teacher doesn't have her other 31 kids popping in on the wrong mornings for extra help? That would make her response more appropriate.
True, but do u really think it happens a lot of times??? I wish we had more details, lol!!!
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Re: ? For elementary school teachers. What would you do?
Posted by soontobemommyof2
Posted by quasi3
It's definitely stressful!
Playing devils advocate: how do we know this teacher doesn't have her other 31 kids popping in on the wrong mornings for extra help? That would make her response more appropriate.
True, but do u really think it happens a lot of times??? I wish we had more details, lol!!!
With older kids, they hear or see something like that once (being allowed in when not tutoring hours) then it's all over lol and they all want to do it "because that one got to".
Idk if 3rd graders think that way. But I wouldn't be surprised, esp if they like the teacher and just want to spend time with her under the guise of tutoring.
Eta: then again maybe not. My population is emotionally needy and looking to forge relationships with any adult who shows interest in them. I don't know if all kids act that way.
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PatsBrat
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Re: ? For elementary school teachers. What would you do?
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Just my opinion on the "by the appointment only" thing. Most kids will NOT go for extra help if they need to request an appointment. They feel funny approaching the teacher and requesting they come early or stay late for only them. They will come if you say "I'm here every Wednesday after school for anyone that needs help". They don't feel as though they're putting you out then, because you're there anyway.
Just thought I'd throw my two cents in on that. Both of my kids have anxiety and I know they would not schedule an "appointment" with the teacher. But they would go if they knew the teacher would be there on a certain day.
I hope I'm speaking correctly because I know in my case "by invite only" does not mean the CHILD requests extra help, but that the teacher sees a child is struggling and invites THOSE children so they can work closely with the child. I teach 2nd grade and this is how I run my extra help.
That's how I read it, as well as how I run my extra help too.
I would've and have done the same thing as that teacher. My prep period is used for prepping, unless I have planned to offer extra help. And trust me, if you accommodate one "mistake" and word gets out, you will have children who's parents make "mistakes" and drop them off early every day, because there are MANY people who are looking for free babysitting (at least in my district. I can't speak for others.)
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LMichele
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? For elementary school teachers. What would you do?
I am surprised no one said this, but in my school it would be a liability to have a student in the classroom before school starts. My administration knows what day I have extra help, and when students would be in my room. Plans are in place for if an emergency would happen, and they know where kids are in the building. I cannot have students in my classroom before the official start time of 8:20, unless my administration knows. This goes for the kids who come up at 8:17, I can't let them in until my clock hits 8:20. End of story.
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Re: ? For elementary school teachers. What would you do?
Posted by LMichele
I am surprised no one said this, but in my school it would be a liability to have a student in the classroom before school starts. My administration knows what day I have extra help, and when students would be in my room. Plans are in place for if an emergency would happen, and they know where kids are in the building. I cannot have students in my classroom before the official start time of 8:20, unless my administration knows. This goes for the kids who come up at 8:17, I can't let them in until my clock hits 8:20. End of story.
I was going to post a similar response as well.
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| Posted 12/17/15 8:00 PM |
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Re: ? For elementary school teachers. What would you do?
Just a note about the by invitation only- in my school district elementary teachers are not allowed to open up extra help to all students. As per administration, they must invite students that they think need the extra help to each session. Of course, if a parent has concerns they can speak with the teacher and the teacher is usually wiling to invite the child in but children must be invited each day. The teachers plan the extra help sessions based on what the struggling students need.
As for asking her to wait in the lobby, I think it is acceptable. I am a teacher and a mom and as much as I would like to be more prepared, there are some mornings where I am prepping for that day in the morning. If I took a child for extra help on those days, then I would not be prepared for what I needed to teach that day. Obviously, that is not ideal and I am usually more prepared than that but it happens. None of us knows what that teacher needed to get done that morning (or didn't need to get done) I just like to give a fellow teacher the benefit of the doubt.
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Re: ? For elementary school teachers. What would you do?
Posted by soontobemommyof2
Don't forget we also have 2 prep periods of 45 min each (at least that's what I had in the 2 schools that I worked for). During those 2 periods I did a lot of prep for the next day. I'm sure 20 min in the morning can be very important for a lot of teachers but unless u have a meeting, it won't really kill u to help a student that got the days wrong (I'm sure these type of things don't happen too often. Plus if u're worried that u might be getting observed for the day, u should have prepared ahead of time, not during those short 20 min. But again, every teacher is different and do things differently.
Elementary school teachers have 1 prep period a day. I get to school an hour early and work through my prep as well as my lunch. I use every minute. Yes, 20 minutes matters to me. I'm modifying lessons, preparing smartboard presentations, typing notes for kids, getting guided reading questions ready, collaborating with colleagues, making copies, doing report cards and IEPS, calling parents, gathering materials and supplies- the list goes on and on and on. Me sitting with that 1 kid for that period of time would absolutely affect my ability to best help the other 20 kids I need to teach the rest of the day. So no it wouldn't kill me to help the student, but it wasn't hurting the child to sit in the lobby either.
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| Posted 12/17/15 10:28 PM |
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Re: ? For elementary school teachers. What would you do?
It is very hard for a teacher who planned to come in early that day to prepare for lessons to drop everything to provide extra help - especially when she plans the other days specifically for that already. I would completely understand if I sent my DS on the wrong day and as a result he wound up having to wait in the office.
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Re: ? For elementary school teachers. What would you do?
Yup. I agreed with it also being a liability if the district is unaware the child will be with you.
Some teachers prepare at home, during lunch, in the morning or prep. To have a child arrive when you are tackling your important to do list could mean being unprepared for a lesson, meeting, unable to make parent calls, and so on.
I took a child into my room bc she came for chorus rehearsal and it had been cancelled. This happened two different times. In the end I got a reminder from a union rep that we can't extend our day and I should have sent the child to the main office. I don't regret taking the child to my room, but I did have to clarify with mom that she look at list serve emails for cancellations.
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Re: ? For elementary school teachers. What would you do?
Its unfortunate but I cant blame the teacher. I get in early so I can prepare for the day. At any moment/day admin could come in to observe me. As much as Id like to help that day I may need that time. I would feel bad. Friday I had 5 city principlas in my room ibserving and questioning my students and me. I got in early to prepare. i wouldnt of had time to work with a student that day.
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? For elementary school teachers. What would you do?
I teach HS and probably would have told the student I was not available for extra help. When I come in early (before our contracted start time), it's my time to prep lessons, make copies, grade papers so I do not have to take work home with me - my toddler is very demanding and leaves me no free time at home.
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| Posted 12/19/15 12:10 PM |
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Re: ? For elementary school teachers. What would you do?
I don't think there is anything wrong with what the teacher did. She likely needed the time to prep for the day.
Perhaps the teacher has reviewed in class how the extra help is "by invitation only" and was reminding the student of the policy.
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Re: ? For elementary school teachers. What would you do?
Posted by soontobemommyof2
Don't forget we also have 2 prep periods of 45 min each (at least that's what I had in the 2 schools that I worked for). During those 2 periods I did a lot of prep for the next day. I'm sure 20 min in the morning can be very important for a lot of teachers but unless u have a meeting, it won't really kill u to help a student that got the days wrong (I'm sure these type of things don't happen too often. Plus if u're worried that u might be getting observed for the day, u should have prepared ahead of time, not during those short 20 min. But again, every teacher is different and do things differently.
I get one prep and 2 times a week that prep is last period.
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? For elementary school teachers. What would you do?
The teacher did nothing wrong.
As an elementary teacher, I have a MILLION things to do in the morning and it would affect the entire day if I didn't get done what I had planned.
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Re: ? For elementary school teachers. What would you do?
I don't think the teacher was wrong, but I know my daughter is really sensitive and if she had to go sit in the lobby by herself for 20 minutes she'd probably get upset and cry. Then again, she is only in K at this point- by 3rd she'd probably be more comfortable.
In any case, I'd rather the teacher send her to the main office to call me.
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