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6yo taken from only parents she's known for being 1.5% Native American

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Xelindrya
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Re: 6yo taken from only parents she's known for being 1.5% Native American

Posted by NervousNell

Posted by Xelindrya

Posted by kristin597

This is disgusting. They are not even placing her with a Native American family, which is their supposed point in all of this! My heart breaks for this family. I sincerely hope our legal system can see beyond some ridiculous law created 50 years ago and get this girl home to her family.



Who are they placing her with?

and how is trying to save a race that this country destroyed ridiculous exactly?

ETA: not saying *THIS* situation is perfect but the law itself trying to restore what's been destroyed by this country's forefathers need for utter domination being called 'ridiculous' is a bit much don't you think? Loop holes should be closed, yes. But the intent of the law isn't ridiculous.



how is ripping a CHILD from the only family she has ever known saving a race, exactly?
How will that "save a race"? What exactly will that do for the Native American race?




Won't disagree with you. I don't know each and every single fact.

I think if there's a biological relative who wanted this child and has been fighting for this child, then they should have the child.

Imagine if it was YOUR relative's child. Would it be ok she was fostered off?

The 1.5% bloodline is the only thing probably giving that family any fighting chance to keep their relative out of the foster/adoption circuit.

We adopted 3 and kept them in the family and it took YEARS. They were my step mother's grandchildren. We 'fostered' them since the twins were 3mo and my sister was a year and a half. They were adopted by the time they were in grade school. That was with NO objections!


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Posted 3/22/16 2:36 PM
 
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Re: 6yo taken from only parents she's known for being 1.5% Native American

Posted by Xelindrya

Posted by kristin597

This is disgusting. They are not even placing her with a Native American family, which is their supposed point in all of this! My heart breaks for this family. I sincerely hope our legal system can see beyond some ridiculous law created 50 years ago and get this girl home to her family.



Who are they placing her with?

and how is trying to save a race that this country destroyed ridiculous exactly?

ETA: not saying *THIS* situation is perfect but the law itself trying to restore what's been destroyed by this country's forefathers need for utter domination being called 'ridiculous' is a bit much don't you think? Loop holes should be closed, yes. But the intent of the law isn't ridiculous.



if you don't think it is ridiculous to yank a child from the ONLY family she has known and place her with strangers because she is 2% native American, I don't even know what to say

my kids are 1/8th native American - it's still ridiculous

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Posted 3/22/16 3:00 PM
 

Xelindrya
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Re: 6yo taken from only parents she's known for being 1.5% Native American

Posted by momtimes2

Posted by Xelindrya

Posted by kristin597

This is disgusting. They are not even placing her with a Native American family, which is their supposed point in all of this! My heart breaks for this family. I sincerely hope our legal system can see beyond some ridiculous law created 50 years ago and get this girl home to her family.



Who are they placing her with?

and how is trying to save a race that this country destroyed ridiculous exactly?

ETA: not saying *THIS* situation is perfect but the law itself trying to restore what's been destroyed by this country's forefathers need for utter domination being called 'ridiculous' is a bit much don't you think? Loop holes should be closed, yes. But the intent of the law isn't ridiculous.



if you don't think it is ridiculous to yank a child from the ONLY family she has known and place her with strangers because she is 2% native American, I don't even know what to say

my kids are 1/8th native American - it's still ridiculous




Newsflash I'm American Indian as well. Grandma came off the reservation. Chiricahua apache

And yeah, I guess we can't see eye to eye. And that's ok. The % isn't important nor which tribe. Frankly it doesn't even matter than she's American Indian at all.

I find it 'ridiculous' to imply that any child who has living relatives should consider those relatives as 'strangers' and better off without them because the SYSTEM failed them.

Black, white, yellow, brown, red in any %.

The child is the only one suffering.

I never said this was right. I said we don't know all the facts. What YOUR child's heritage is makes no difference to this case. As much as my child's doesn't either.

I believe however that the blame and outrage is in the wrong spot. The system failed her LONG before today.

Posted 3/22/16 3:36 PM
 

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Re: 6yo taken from only parents she's known for being 1.5% Native American

Posted by Xelindrya

Posted by momtimes2

Posted by Xelindrya

Posted by kristin597

This is disgusting. They are not even placing her with a Native American family, which is their supposed point in all of this! My heart breaks for this family. I sincerely hope our legal system can see beyond some ridiculous law created 50 years ago and get this girl home to her family.



Who are they placing her with?

and how is trying to save a race that this country destroyed ridiculous exactly?

ETA: not saying *THIS* situation is perfect but the law itself trying to restore what's been destroyed by this country's forefathers need for utter domination being called 'ridiculous' is a bit much don't you think? Loop holes should be closed, yes. But the intent of the law isn't ridiculous.



if you don't think it is ridiculous to yank a child from the ONLY family she has known and place her with strangers because she is 2% native American, I don't even know what to say

my kids are 1/8th native American - it's still ridiculous




Newsflash I'm American Indian as well. Grandma came off the reservation. Chiricahua apache

And yeah, I guess we can't see eye to eye. And that's ok. The % isn't important nor which tribe. Frankly it doesn't even matter than she's American Indian at all.

I find it 'ridiculous' to imply that any child who has living relatives should consider those relatives as 'strangers' and better off without them because the SYSTEM failed them.

Black, white, yellow, brown, red in any %.

The child is the only one suffering.

I never said this was right. I said we don't know all the facts. What YOUR child's heritage is makes no difference to this case. As much as my child's doesn't either.

I believe however that the blame and outrage is in the wrong spot. The system failed her LONG before today.



I disagree with you. This relative may not be the best suited to care for this child. I don't know anything about the people involved, but I do know that the child has formed an emotional bond with these foster parents who do want to adopt her. To remove the child under this law which was created to keep native american children with native american families to live with non Native American relatives (wtf??) really makes no sense to me. I think they are manipulating the law for their own devices and likely against the best interests of the child.

You're right- it doesn't matter what YOU, your child, me or any of us are. This is a legal and child welfare issue.

Posted 3/22/16 3:50 PM
 

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Re: 6yo taken from only parents she's known for being 1.5% Native American

Posted by Xelindrya

Posted by kristin597

This is disgusting. They are not even placing her with a Native American family, which is their supposed point in all of this! My heart breaks for this family. I sincerely hope our legal system can see beyond some ridiculous law created 50 years ago and get this girl home to her family.



Who are they placing her with?

and how is trying to save a race that this country destroyed ridiculous exactly?

ETA: not saying *THIS* situation is perfect but the law itself trying to restore what's been destroyed by this country's forefathers need for utter domination being called 'ridiculous' is a bit much don't you think? Loop holes should be closed, yes. But the intent of the law isn't ridiculous.



They are placing her with a relative through marriage. Non Native American. And ripping this child from the only family she has ever known bc she is 1% Native American is ridiculous. How this does anything but royally screw a kid up is beyond my understanding.

Posted 3/22/16 4:52 PM
 

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Re: 6yo taken from only parents she's known for being 1.5% Native American



They are placing her with a relative through marriage. Non Native American. And ripping this child from the only family she has ever known bc she is 1% Native American is ridiculous. How this does anything but royally screw a kid up is beyond my understanding.

Chat Icon the amount of emotional damage they have done to this child is sickening. She will be forever changed. It's wrong!

Posted 3/22/16 5:03 PM
 

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Re: 6yo taken from only parents she's known for being 1.5% Native American

Signed the petition

This is heartbreaking

Posted 3/22/16 9:53 PM
 

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Re: 6yo taken from only parents she's known for being 1.5% Native American

I posted the petition on my fb feed and someone said the article is misleading

That they already adopted her biological sister

They have been trying to adopt her for
Years but courts have held it
Up

She has a lol of relationship with the family?

Posted 3/22/16 10:50 PM
 

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Re: 6yo taken from only parents she's known for being 1.5% Native American

I have to say the following:

1. As devastating as it would be to have to give up my child I would not have encouraged protesters standing outside my door to make a very difficult situation even more traumatic for my child. I'm so confused by that.

2. I don't know about the law about Native American adoption but I do know that relatives have first rights to a foster child. My sons foster mom was starting the adoption process when my Husband and I came in and said we will adopt him. Its what foster care is about, you learn in the training the purpose is reunification with family and/or biological parents. You can only adopt when parental rights are terminated and reunification avenues have been exhausted. That's why being a foster parent is a hard and thankless job.

3. I wonder why she wasn't adopted already by the foster family after so many years? I know it took us three years to adopt my son because we were going back and forth with his dad who was in jail, legally he still had his rights and had a chance to be heard.

I also agree with what @xelyndra is saying about putting kids with family. I'm also relative by marriage by I am the main custodial parent of my son. Sometimes family is family - I'm super close to a lot of my aunts by marriage and even my brother in law.

I just think there is more to this story. I hope that if she belongs with her foster parents that it will happen in the end or atleast whoever she goes with she is well taken care of.

Posted 3/23/16 9:11 AM
 

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6yo taken from only parents she's known for being 1.5% Native American

I'm just not understanding how taking her from the only family she has ever known and placing her across the country with strangers is in the best interest of the child. She doesn't know these people. It's not like she knows them, but just doesn't want to live with them. This seems like such an extremely literal translation of that law.

Posted 3/23/16 9:36 AM
 

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6yo taken from only parents she's known for being 1.5% Native American

The family that she is moving in are not strangers and Lexi has a biological sister who also lives with them.

http://indiancountrytodaymedianetwork.com/2016/03/22/breaking-california-returns-child-family-icwa-case-163881

Posted 3/23/16 11:08 AM
 

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Re: 6yo taken from only parents she's known for being 1.5% Native American

Posted by ElizaRags35

The family that she is moving in are not strangers and Lexi has a biological sister who also lives with them.

http://indiancountrytodaymedianetwork.com/2016/03/22/breaking-california-returns-child-family-icwa-case-163881



The Link

Well THAT paints a different story.

So
1. They Pages were told she was NEVER up for adoption

2. They've done this before

3. THEY made this a stink and caused this little girl heartache

4. The girl has a BLOOD relative already living where she's going and this couple just alienated her?



Fantastic. System failure again. Why give this couple a chance to cause so much harm? Because not enough people are in the foster program. Why not? because its a messed up broken system of abuse and heart break. For both sides.

And I still don't care the % of bloodline. My twin brothers and sister are not a single ounce of blood related to me. My father adopted them NOT my step mother, who is their biological grandmother. It took years.

Their mother fought us and we fought back. Took her to court. Their father gave up quickly but she tried to hang on until the court finally won.

My own brothers and sister were Wards of the state and they decided to break the twins up since they didn't look enough alike and they'd be easier to foster/adopt out the lighter skinned one separate from the darker skinned one.

Live a little with the system... its BROKEN

Posted 3/23/16 11:31 AM
 

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Re: 6yo taken from only parents she's known for being 1.5% Native American

Posted by ElizaRags35

The family that she is moving in are not strangers and Lexi has a biological sister who also lives with them.

http://indiancountrytodaymedianetwork.com/2016/03/22/breaking-california-returns-child-family-icwa-case-163881



This is the first article I have read that mentions that she has had constant contact with these family members. So, now I don't know what to believe.

Posted 3/23/16 11:35 AM
 

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Re: 6yo taken from only parents she's known for being 1.5% Native American

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Message edited 3/30/2016 9:24:11 AM.

Posted 3/23/16 11:38 AM
 

Xelindrya
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6yo taken from only parents she's known for being 1.5% Native American

So the other side of the story comes out and the story isn't as 'ridiculous' anymore?

Interesting. Like I started saying from the get go.. there needed to be more to this.

Media is making a mess of this as always.

Posted 3/23/16 3:50 PM
 

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Re: 6yo taken from only parents she's known for being 1.5% Native American

Posted by Sash

I have to say the following:

1. As devastating as it would be to have to give up my child I would not have encouraged protesters standing outside my door to make a very difficult situation even more traumatic for my child. I'm so confused by that.

2. I don't know about the law about Native American adoption but I do know that relatives have first rights to a foster child. My sons foster mom was starting the adoption process when my Husband and I came in and said we will adopt him. Its what foster care is about, you learn in the training the purpose is reunification with family and/or biological parents. You can only adopt when parental rights are terminated and reunification avenues have been exhausted. That's why being a foster parent is a hard and thankless job.

3. I wonder why she wasn't adopted already by the foster family after so many years? I know it took us three years to adopt my son because we were going back and forth with his dad who was in jail, legally he still had his rights and had a chance to be heard.

I also agree with what @xelyndra is saying about putting kids with family. I'm also relative by marriage by I am the main custodial parent of my son. Sometimes family is family - I'm super close to a lot of my aunts by marriage and even my brother in law.

I just think there is more to this story. I hope that if she belongs with her foster parents that it will happen in the end or atleast whoever she goes with she is well taken care of.



I totally agree with you. Also the Foster family was ordered 2 years ago to give back the child which also included a transition plan to make it a bit easier and they blocked the court order with an appeal which just ended now and they lost so the girl needs to go back with her extended family. It's devastating all around but if they abided by the court order 2 years ago the healing process would have been easier for the poor girl. They are making a media circus out of this and in my opinion are not looking out for her best interests.

Posted 3/23/16 7:10 PM
 

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Re: 6yo taken from only parents she's known for being 1.5% Native American

Posted by LastLightGlow

I hate the media spectacle and the public rush to jump on board. We don't know the full story.



ITA. I wonder why more of an effort wasn't made to reunite her with the biological dad who did seem to have his share of issues- but it also seems like he wanted to step up. I bet kids have been returned to worse situations though I'm aware she's not living with him at the moment. It's very sad for the family who has loved her and for the little girl. But I can't say I'm unsympathetic to the bio dad. I am not taking any of the Native American heritage into account here.

Posted 3/23/16 8:23 PM
 
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