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The slippery slope... (re: Designer Babies)
Designer baby row over US clinic
A US clinic has sparked controversy by offering would-be parents the chance to select traits like the eye and hair colour of their offspring.
The LA Fertility Institutes run by Dr Jeff Steinberg, a pioneer of IVF in the 1970s, expects a trait-selected baby to be born next year.
His clinic also offers sex selection.
UK fertility experts are angered that the service will distract attention from how the same technology can protect against inherited disease.
The science is based on a lab technique called preimplantation genetic diagnosis, or PGD.
“ I would not say this is a dangerous road. It's an uncharted road ” Dr Steinberg This involves testing a cell taken from a very early embryo before it is put into the mother's womb.
Doctors then select an embryo free from rogue genes - or in this case an embryo with the desired physical traits such as blonde hair and blue eyes - to continue the pregnancy, and discard any others.
Dr Steinberg said couples might seek to use the clinic's services for both medical and cosmetic reasons.
For example, a couple might want to have a baby with a darker complexion to help guard against a skin cancer if they already had a child who had developed a melanoma. But others might just want a boy with blonde hair.
His clinic is offering this cosmetic selection to patients already having genetic screening for abnormal chromosome conditions in their embryos.
“ This is the inevitable slippery slope of a fertility process which results in many more embryos being created than can be implanted ” Josephine Quintavalle of Comment on Reproductive Ethics "Not all patients will qualify for these tests and we make NO guarantees as to 'perfect prediction' of things such as eye colour or hair colour," says the clinic's website.
Dr Steinberg said: "I would not say this is a dangerous road. It's an uncharted road."
He said the capability to offer such services had been around for years, but had been ignored by the medical community.
"It's time for everyone to pull their heads out of the sand."
Slippery slope
But Dr Gillian Lockwood, a UK fertility expert and member of the Royal College of Obstetricians and Gynaecologists' ethics committee, questioned whether is was morally right to be using the science in this way.
"If it gets to the point where we can decide which gene or combination of genes are responsible for blue eyes or blonde hair, what are you going to do with all those other embryos that turn out like me to be ginger with green eyes?"
She warned against "turning babies into commodities that you buy off the shelf."
Josephine Quintavalle of Comment on Reproductive Ethics said: "This is the inevitable slippery slope of a fertility process which results in many more embryos being created than can be implanted. Choices will always have to be made. Do you choose octuplets or the ones with the prettiest noses?"
In the UK, sex selection is banned and choices are currently permitted only in relationship to the baby's health.
Italian fertility law does not permit the creation of surplus embryos or selective testing. Ms Quintavalle said that was "one sure way to avoid the slippery slope".
Meanwhile, new legislation in the UK, due to come in on 6 April, will allow IVF mothers to name anyone as "father" on the birth certificate - even another woman.
The only restriction on naming a second parent will be if they are close blood relatives or if the second person does not agree.
Story from BBC NEWS: http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/2/hi/health/7918296.stm
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Posted 3/2/09 9:50 PM |
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Re: The slippery slope... (re: Designer Babies)
This is horrible. I understand the want to select against a horrible disease, but this will profoundly chnage socity for the worse. I think there needs to be laws against this.
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Posted 3/2/09 10:02 PM |
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headoverheels
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Re: The slippery slope... (re: Designer Babies)
i am sorry but i think that is disgusting.
i understand using PGD to avoid transferring embryos with genetic defects, to help those with infertility issues get pregnant and carry to term... but anything more than that is just asking for TOO much and being greedy, and i don't like it. all anyone should want is a happy, healthy child.
what if the docs are wrong - you want a blond baby but you get a redhead instead? what then?
ick, i am disgusted over this.
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Posted 3/2/09 10:09 PM |
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pinkandblue
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Re: The slippery slope... (re: Designer Babies)
Posted by headoverheels
i am sorry but i think that is disgusting.
i understand using PGD to avoid transferring embryos with genetic defects, to help those with infertility issues get pregnant and carry to term... but anything more than that is just asking for TOO much and being greedy, and i don't like it. all anyone should want is a happy, healthy child.
what if the docs are wrong - you want a blond baby but you get a redhead instead? what then?
ick, i am disgusted over this.
I agree completely. I knew someone who had 3 boys and his wife and him were thinking about doing gender selection to get that illusive girl. This was many years ago (over 12) and it was very expensive to do so I do not think they went through with it
I do not like this at all, playing with "God" too much for me
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Posted 3/3/09 7:09 AM |
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Re: The slippery slope... (re: Designer Babies)
Wrong. AND it will backfire if people use this for the wrong reasons.
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Posted 3/3/09 7:26 AM |
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Re: The slippery slope... (re: Designer Babies)
Since I'm someone who suffers from IF and have been TTC a child for a long time, I find this completely and totally disgusting
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Posted 3/3/09 7:44 AM |
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MrsFlatbread
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Re: The slippery slope... (re: Designer Babies)
This is a sad example of what our society has conformed to. The fact that people can make money off the fact that "perfection" is a must have, is sick. We are all doomed.
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Posted 3/3/09 8:05 AM |
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GoldenRod
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Re: The slippery slope... (re: Designer Babies)
On the other hand, it's just a more advanced method of what many people try to do "naturally".
People who want blonde/blue-eyed babies mate with bonde/blue-eyed partners. Couples who want boys try all the "methods" out there (timing ovulation, certain positions, etc.) Humans have been trying to do this exact same thing for hundreds of years.
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Posted 3/3/09 8:34 AM |
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Re: The slippery slope... (re: Designer Babies)
I think it is disgusting. People should just be happy with what they get.
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Posted 3/3/09 8:41 AM |
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kahlua716
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Re: The slippery slope... (re: Designer Babies)
My mom's cousin has already done this. She wanted a girl- so a few treatments and $15000 later- she has her girl.
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Posted 3/3/09 9:02 AM |
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Re: The slippery slope... (re: Designer Babies)
Posted by Jenhos
I think it is disgusting. People should just be happy with what they get.
I agree. It's a baby, not a pair of shoes.
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Posted 3/3/09 9:02 AM |
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Re: The slippery slope... (re: Designer Babies)
I don't understand people who would go to such lengths to choose this. Talk about really playing god. And you can't choose personality...sure, you could have that blue eyed blonde baby you want but who is to say they won't have a terrible personality when they're older? But at least they'll have the looks, right?
It makes me so sad. The emphasis put on these things that mean nothing. I loved not knowing what my son would look like, or if we would have a girl or boy etc...its just a great surprise!! To do this for medical reasons I can sort of understand (but still not sure how i feel..)..anything else, i don't get..
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Posted 3/3/09 9:03 AM |
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Re: The slippery slope... (re: Designer Babies)
I'm completely repulsed by this. Are we that shallow that we need designed babies??
I agree with the PP, I loved waiting to see what DD would look like. What hair color, eye color would she have? Hell, we even waited on finding out the sex (the horror). But that is part of the fun of being pregnant.
It makes me sad that there are people out there that need to do this.
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Posted 3/3/09 9:07 AM |
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Re: The slippery slope... (re: Designer Babies)
Reminds me of the movie Gattaca... I think it's treading on dangerous territory when we are given the option of picking traits for our children, when they are otherwise normal and healthy.
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Posted 3/3/09 9:08 AM |
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Re: The slippery slope... (re: Designer Babies)
Posted by GoldenRod
On the other hand, it's just a more advanced method of what many people try to do "naturally".
People who want blonde/blue-eyed babies mate with bonde/blue-eyed partners. Couples who want boys try all the "methods" out there (timing ovulation, certain positions, etc.) Humans have been trying to do this exact same thing for hundreds of years.
Yes, but it is still not really our decision. Just because you mate with someone who has the features you want your kid to have- doesn't mean they will have them. It's still not in your hands, it's in the hands of a higher power.
I agree- it's definitely playing God wayyy too much.
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Posted 3/3/09 10:36 AM |
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CrankyPants
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Re: The slippery slope... (re: Designer Babies)
Posted by Bxgell2
Reminds me of the movie Gattaca.
I was thinking the exact same thing and I am repulsed by this.
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Posted 3/3/09 10:43 AM |
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MrsPJB2007
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Re: The slippery slope... (re: Designer Babies)
Posted by GoldenRod
On the other hand, it's just a more advanced method of what many people try to do "naturally".
People who want blonde/blue-eyed babies mate with bonde/blue-eyed partners. Couples who want boys try all the "methods" out there (timing ovulation, certain positions, etc.) Humans have been trying to do this exact same thing for hundreds of years.
Whether people have been doing it "naturally" for years or not -- doesn't necessarily mean it makes it okay. A baby is person not some special fashion accessory that you can customize.
I find this entire thing disgusting and despicable. Be happy with the ability to just HAVE a child, why do you have to make it a "designer kid"
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Posted 3/3/09 10:44 AM |
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Re: The slippery slope... (re: Designer Babies)
I understand using it to avoid chromosomal issues or illnesses I even get the wishing part (I hoped my children would have eyes like DH) or hoping for a girl or a boy thing. I think putting it into practice takes eugenics to an entirely different level.
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Posted by Bxgell2
Reminds me of the movie Gattaca.
I was thinking the exact same thing and I am repulsed by this.
I thought the same thing. I think there is a balance of nature that needs to be applied. Later on when they connect "preferred" traits to other genetic "undesirable" traits, everything will be out of whack.
Think of what happened with China's 1 child policy where couples choose to abort the female fetuses. Now they face a shortage of women for their little princes.
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Posted 3/3/09 11:24 AM |
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Re: The slippery slope... (re: Designer Babies)
Having a baby is a miracle, and part of that miracle is seeing the surprise of what traits your baby inherits from you, and from the father. I can't imagine trying to dictate inheritance. It is just not right and completely mocks a beautiful and natural process.
Message edited 3/3/2009 11:40:57 AM.
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Posted 3/3/09 11:40 AM |
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Re: The slippery slope... (re: Designer Babies)
Question. Why did I only read about this on the BBC... considering it's a US clinic I'd expect a US news source to be the first to report this. The whole thing just depresses me.
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Posted 3/3/09 11:48 AM |
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Re: The slippery slope... (re: Designer Babies)
way to try to play God doctor.. this makes me sick. as if america doesnt have enough self image problems.
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Posted 3/3/09 12:38 PM |
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Kate
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Re: The slippery slope... (re: Designer Babies)
Posted by colette
Question. Why did I only read about this on the BBC... considering it's a US clinic I'd expect a US news source to be the first to report this. The whole thing just depresses me.
There was a story about this on the O'Reilly Factor last night.
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Posted 3/3/09 1:21 PM |
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MrsA714
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Re: The slippery slope... (re: Designer Babies)
Posted by colette
Question. Why did I only read about this on the BBC... considering it's a US clinic I'd expect a US news source to be the first to report this. The whole thing just depresses me.
It's on the cover of the Daily News today.
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Posted 3/3/09 1:39 PM |
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Re: The slippery slope... (re: Designer Babies)
That's my point; multiple US news outlets picked it up after the bbc article...
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Posted 3/3/09 1:42 PM |
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Re: The slippery slope... (re: Designer Babies)
This doesn't surprise me at all. This is the world we have created, society has allowed this to happen and this is the result.
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