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hotsauce345
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Re: yet another reason why i feel screwed this election year
Posted by JenniferEver
I think this tells us a lot:
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there are so many charts with different info and then you'll find studies that say "well this one doesn't take XYZ into account and that one..." there is soooooo much contradictory information out there it's hard to decide what to believe and what not to.
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yet another reason why i feel screwed this election year
I dislike the jobs lost chart. Less jobs, less jobs lost.
Too many people aren't even TRYING to look for a job anymore because nothing is out there. They aren't counted.
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Re: yet another reason why i feel screwed this election year
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As does this
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So it was down when he came in, why did it go up again? Again, the reason if you think baclk was the fact that everyone was on verge of collapse. It had to go down, people were unable to buy.
The economy improved and the gas rices regulated back to (close to) where they were
The point is that they should never have been this high and you can not credit Obama for making them low. They should have never gotten back up to that amount after going lower. Think about the gap of cost of living and income. This is beyond what people and businesses can afford. This drive the cost of food and other services up.
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| Posted 10/26/12 3:48 PM |
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Re: yet another reason why i feel screwed this election year
Posted by LittleBlueBug
May I ask what fields all this growth is occuring in? Why is the number of people unemployed or underemployed rising not falling? No one expected a miracle from anybody, but sure didnt expect it to be worse.
I must be hanging with the wrong bunch but I honestly only know of one person out of all friends, family, and aquaintences who is doing better now and she was coming from a very low point in her life.
I work in Construction and work for an international comany. I see how the construction market is in almost all 50 states. The only of our regional offices that is stll lagging a bit is the CA office. But in all others we are finally hiring....and not just one or 2 people.....The construction projects coming online in NY and Chicago is insane. While it is not back to the height it was it is 10x better than when I started here in 2010 when everyone was laying off and you could not find a job in the industry.
People are not building if there is not money out there. Theya re not buidlign apts and office buidlign if there aren't any tenants.
Things take time to turn around. People honestly expect it to happen overnight. It won't. Romeny or Obama can't make it all happen in one term. I think Obama really wanted to be able to in the first term but it is not just the US in a recession it is the entire world and we also depend on the workd economy to be healthy in order for the US to completely rebound.
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| Posted 10/26/12 3:51 PM |
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LittleBlueBug
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Re: yet another reason why i feel screwed this election year
Interesting. I look at all the empty store fronts and office buildings and the fact that I have family who work in a similar field...they arent as optimistic. Thats great that your compnay is doing so well though.
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| Posted 10/26/12 3:54 PM |
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hotsauce345
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Re: yet another reason why i feel screwed this election year
let's not turn this into the last thread, this wasn't supposed to be a romney vs. obama thread. I like the way this thread started out with respect for each others views, I can quickly see it turning to an obama vs romney ordeal though.
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| Posted 10/26/12 3:55 PM |
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hotsauce345
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Re: yet another reason why i feel screwed this election year
Posted by alli3131
Posted by LittleBlueBug
May I ask what fields all this growth is occuring in? Why is the number of people unemployed or underemployed rising not falling? No one expected a miracle from anybody, but sure didnt expect it to be worse.
I must be hanging with the wrong bunch but I honestly only know of one person out of all friends, family, and aquaintences who is doing better now and she was coming from a very low point in her life.
I work in Construction and work for an international comany. I see how the construction market is in almost all 50 states. The only of our regional offices that is stll lagging a bit is the CA office. But in all others we are finally hiring....and not just one or 2 people.....The construction projects coming online in NY and Chicago is insane. While it is not back to the height it was it is 10x better than when I started here in 2010 when everyone was laying off and you could not find a job in the industry.
People are not building if there is not money out there. Theya re not buidlign apts and office buidlign if there aren't any tenants.
Things take time to turn around. People honestly expect it to happen overnight. It won't. Romeny or Obama can't make it all happen in one term. I think Obama really wanted to be able to in the first term but it is not just the US in a recession it is the entire world and we also depend on the workd economy to be healthy in order for the US to completely rebound.
I hope you're right because the NY union plumbers still have over half their men out of work. it's alarming!
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yet another reason why i feel screwed this election year
My husband is in IT. He struggled with finding a steady job after being laid off for a long time. He finally found a great job almost 2 years ago. Since then, he has gotten several calls from contacts and places that he applied to asking him if he's looking for a job because they are now able to hire.
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| Posted 10/26/12 3:58 PM |
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Re: yet another reason why i feel screwed this election year
Posted by ElizaRags35
My husband is in IT. He struggled with finding a steady job after being laid off for a long time. He finally found a great job almost 2 years ago. Since then, he has gotten several calls from contacts and places that he applied to asking him if he's looking for a job because they are now able to hire.
my husband is also in IT... he got laid off when the hospital he worked for decided to outsource their IT needs to India. While he did get another job, I credit him with that not Obama- I don't think any recent president has done enough (or anything really) to keep jobs in this country.
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| Posted 10/26/12 4:04 PM |
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hotsauce345
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Re: yet another reason why i feel screwed this election year
Posted by ElizaRags35
My husband is in IT. He struggled with finding a steady job after being laid off for a long time. He finally found a great job almost 2 years ago. Since then, he has gotten several calls from contacts and places that he applied to asking him if he's looking for a job because they are now able to hire.
that's promising to hear.
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| Posted 10/26/12 4:05 PM |
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Re: yet another reason why i feel screwed this election year
Posted by Pray4Baby2010
Posted by ElizaRags35
My husband is in IT. He struggled with finding a steady job after being laid off for a long time. He finally found a great job almost 2 years ago. Since then, he has gotten several calls from contacts and places that he applied to asking him if he's looking for a job because they are now able to hire.
my husband is also in IT... he got laid off when the hospital he worked for decided to outsource their IT needs to India. While he did get another job, I credit him with that not Obama- I don't think any recent president has done enough (or anything really) to keep jobs in this country.
And big business is in the habit of outsourcing jobs for tax breaks. Romney is a business man first. I fear that his business mind will only perpetuate the loss of jobs when he takes office.
Of course, that is completely my opinion based off of various news media reports. It may be completely far-fetched and I am willing to listen to any and all evidence that would refute that. I am undecided but the more I read about the GOP threatening our civil rights coupled with my fear of Romney's business tactics, I am leaning towards Obama.
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| Posted 10/26/12 4:10 PM |
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JenniferEver
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Re: yet another reason why i feel screwed this election year
My DH is MUCH better off than in 08 and my company is also doing better.
I don't think the President waved a magic wand and did that, but I also don't think he's to blame for things not being where they should be.
If you look at the jobs chart I posted...just for argument's sake, the jobs losses have reduced at pretty much the same rate as they increased, which i think is about as good as we could have hoped it would be.
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| Posted 10/26/12 4:13 PM |
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Re: yet another reason why i feel screwed this election year
Posted by Pray4Baby2010
Posted by ElizaRags35
My husband is in IT. He struggled with finding a steady job after being laid off for a long time. He finally found a great job almost 2 years ago. Since then, he has gotten several calls from contacts and places that he applied to asking him if he's looking for a job because they are now able to hire.
my husband is also in IT... he got laid off when the hospital he worked for decided to outsource their IT needs to India. While he did get another job, I credit him with that not Obama- I don't think any recent president has done enough (or anything really) to keep jobs in this country.
I don't credit Obama with my DH finding a job. He did that on his own. My point was more that more places are able to hire now than they were a few years ago.
Outsourcing is a major problem but I really believe it will continue even more so under Romney, given his record.
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JenniferEver
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Re: yet another reason why i feel screwed this election year
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Posted by ElizaRags35
My husband is in IT. He struggled with finding a steady job after being laid off for a long time. He finally found a great job almost 2 years ago. Since then, he has gotten several calls from contacts and places that he applied to asking him if he's looking for a job because they are now able to hire.
that's promising to hear.
My husband is in the smae boat. he was laid off in '08 in the midst of everything, but he found a job in 2009, and when he was looking for a shcnage in 2011, he thankfully had several options and still routinely gets calls from recruiters. 
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| Posted 10/26/12 4:14 PM |
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Re: yet another reason why i feel screwed this election year
Posted by ElizaRags35
Posted by Pray4Baby2010
Posted by ElizaRags35
My husband is in IT. He struggled with finding a steady job after being laid off for a long time. He finally found a great job almost 2 years ago. Since then, he has gotten several calls from contacts and places that he applied to asking him if he's looking for a job because they are now able to hire.
my husband is also in IT... he got laid off when the hospital he worked for decided to outsource their IT needs to India. While he did get another job, I credit him with that not Obama- I don't think any recent president has done enough (or anything really) to keep jobs in this country.
I don't credit Obama with my DH finding a job. He did that on his own. My point was more that more places are able to hire now than they were a few years ago.
Outsourcing is a major problem but I really believe it will continue even more so under Romney, given his record.
This is what i think
I think if we leave it up to the companies they will do what is cheapest for them
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| Posted 10/26/12 4:15 PM |
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Pray4Baby2010
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Re: yet another reason why i feel screwed this election year
Posted by ElizaRags35
Posted by Pray4Baby2010
Posted by ElizaRags35
My husband is in IT. He struggled with finding a steady job after being laid off for a long time. He finally found a great job almost 2 years ago. Since then, he has gotten several calls from contacts and places that he applied to asking him if he's looking for a job because they are now able to hire.
my husband is also in IT... he got laid off when the hospital he worked for decided to outsource their IT needs to India. While he did get another job, I credit him with that not Obama- I don't think any recent president has done enough (or anything really) to keep jobs in this country.
I don't credit Obama with my DH finding a job. He did that on his own. My point was more that more places are able to hire now than they were a few years ago.
Outsourcing is a major problem but I really believe it will continue even more so under Romney, given his record.
Sorry, I didnt mean to imply that you thought Obama got your dh the job- it was more my feelings of ALL Presidents not really doing anything about the outsourcing...
and while I hear you all on the republicans and their track record- the tax breaks are there and Obama didnt change that- he says he will now... but I just think a lot of what he plans will (AGAIN) not get done.
Not to say that I am not voting for him because I am undecided at this point
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ElizaRags35
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Re: yet another reason why i feel screwed this election year
Posted by Pray4Baby2010
Posted by ElizaRags35
Posted by Pray4Baby2010
Posted by ElizaRags35
My husband is in IT. He struggled with finding a steady job after being laid off for a long time. He finally found a great job almost 2 years ago. Since then, he has gotten several calls from contacts and places that he applied to asking him if he's looking for a job because they are now able to hire.
my husband is also in IT... he got laid off when the hospital he worked for decided to outsource their IT needs to India. While he did get another job, I credit him with that not Obama- I don't think any recent president has done enough (or anything really) to keep jobs in this country.
I don't credit Obama with my DH finding a job. He did that on his own. My point was more that more places are able to hire now than they were a few years ago.
Outsourcing is a major problem but I really believe it will continue even more so under Romney, given his record.
Sorry, I didnt mean to imply that you thought Obama got your dh the job- it was more my feelings of ALL Presidents not really doing anything about the outsourcing...
and while I hear you all on the republicans and their track record- the tax breaks are there and Obama didnt change that- he says he will now... but I just think a lot of what he plans will (AGAIN) not get done.
Not to say that I am not voting for him because I am undecided at this point
No problem! I hope my response to you didn't come off attitudy b/c that wasn't my intention.
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| Posted 10/26/12 4:23 PM |
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Re: yet another reason why i feel screwed this election year
Posted by LittleBlueBug
I know this probably wasnt meant the way it sounded...at least I hope not.
If not, please know that its not about greed. If I am greedy for wanting to keep both myself and my DH working so that I can put food on the table and a roof over my head, then so be it. I would like to have another child one day too, but I told DH not with how uncertain things are for us.
Maybe I misunderstood your comment, which I may have because usually i have never had this reaction to one of your posts before.
Please understand I am by no means rich and just looking to stay rich or get richer. There are some people on here who are better off now. Yay! I am happy for you...truely. Not everyone is so lucky, so please just be respectful of that. It seems you have made your voting choice and thats fine. No one is trying to make you justify it.
ETA: Gas prices dropped sharply because the economy nearly collapsed and futures were down. Then they went back up again. I am not saying drilling is the answer for the future, but he should have taken initiative to not be dependent on foreign oil to bring down the cost. The cost of fuel is directly connected to the success of the economy.
I guess I am one of the "lucky" ones who is better off than they were four years ago yet somehow I really feel it has way more to do with hard work and a variety of other things, not one of them "luck." I have very little worry about being able to keep a roof over my head or put food on my table and I don't believe a Romney administration is going to do that for the middle class like some of they believe he will. Just ask the people who have, sorry, HAD jobs he shipped over to China. I am expecting my first child in February and truly hope it's under an Obama administration because I cannot imagine bringing a child into a world where in 2012 people's individual rights and civil liberties are in jeopardy.
I do understand people have different circumstances, personal experiences and values that help define their belief system. I vote on the issues instead of party lines and I guess my views have always just leaned towards the left. If there was a Republican candidate who stood for the things I believed in and had strong ideas on how to fix the economy I would vote for them. However, Romney is not that guy. His comments in this article are so closed minded that I have a very difficult time understanding how a human being; Republican, Democrat or otherwise, would be ok with a man, who makes comments like these being the next President of the United States. The things he says, his views on gay rights and his views on women's rights and his support of other Republican politicians who have said abhorrent things about their views on rape is maddening. Women and gays have fought too hard to be where they are now to be treated like do not matter. So I truly have great respect for the Romney supporters who see things like this and take issue with it. I don't think there is enough he could EVER do for anyone financially that would make comments like these not matter.
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| Posted 10/26/12 4:59 PM |
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casey31
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Re: yet another reason why i feel screwed this election year
Honestly- I don't believe much of what the Huffington Post writes just as many liberals don't believe the Post or Fox News.
I am liberal in social issues- I think gay marriage should be allowed, I am pro-choice.
However, I STRONGLY disagree with Obama on foreign affairs and I STRONGLY feel that Romney will help the economy more.
Those issues are more important to me at this time.
I did not vote for Obama in '08- I felt he was too radical- although I would have voted for Hillary if she had won the primary.
I will definitely vote for Romney over Obama- although I might vote for ANYONE over Obama as I feel his foreign affairs and economic record is awful.
Just my thoughts.
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JenniferEver
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Re: yet another reason why i feel screwed this election year
And Romney agreed with Obama on just about every point in the foreign policy debate
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Re: yet another reason why i feel screwed this election year
He would require tougher sanctions on Iran
Romney won't apologize for America to other countries.
As someone with dual citizenship with Israel and the US, I won't ever be convinced from the last four years that Romney won't support Israel more than Obama has.
Benghazi has been pretty terrible as well.
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| Posted 10/26/12 5:16 PM |
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Re: yet another reason why i feel screwed this election year
Posted by casey31
Honestly- I don't believe much of what the Huffington Post writes just as many liberals don't believe the Post or Fox News.
Just my thoughts.
Are you saying that you don't believe that Romney said "Some Gays Are Actually Having Children. It's Not Right on Paper. It's Not Right in Fact." as well as the whole gay parent birth certificate thing because the Huffington Post reported it? If so, they actually got their information from the Boston Globe.
Globe article
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| Posted 10/26/12 5:20 PM |
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Re: yet another reason why i feel screwed this election year
Posted by casey31
He would require tougher sanctions on Iran
Romney won't apologize for America to other countries.
As someone with dual citizenship with Israel and the US, I won't ever be convinced from the last four years that Romney won't support Israel more than Obama has.
Benghazi has been pretty terrible as well.
The "apology tour" which Romney claims Obama did has been proven false.
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| Posted 10/26/12 5:21 PM |
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JenniferEver
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Re: yet another reason why i feel screwed this election year
The "apology tour" thing is just BS IMO and every source i've looked into says that the Obama administration has had the best relationship with Israel and has done more for them than any other.
In any case I think Obama needed to let other countries know that the brash policies of the Bush administration would not continue. Bush hurt our standing in the world and it needed to be fixed. I think diplomacy was the right way to do it, but you're entitled to disagree.
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hotsauce345
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Re: yet another reason why i feel screwed this election year
I just read it and got upset all over again. I DO HAVE A FATHER! AND A MOTHER...AND ANOTHER MOTHER...AND I HAD A STEP MOTHER TOO! I guess you could say IT DID take a village to raise me. I am so blessed to have had so many people care for me in my life.
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