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Re: Interesting article/study re: breastfeeding
I breastfed and DS has eczema and allergies, and in his first 15 months of life has been to a plastic surgeon, a dermatologist, an ophthalmologist and and an allergist in addition to several sick visits to the ped.
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Re: Interesting article/study re: breastfeeding
Posted by Ophelia
I think that is true for anything.
at the end of the day, there is a BEST of everything and then there are varying degrees of "does the job" "good enough" "is almost as good"
I think most formula feeders acknowlege this and accept it and call it a day. I don't think most fail to realize that breast milk has properties that make it superior to formula.
anyway, I gotta go. hopefully this won't require a visit from the Pontiff.
I was FF DD by choice and while I do agree environmentally BF may be superior,I don't necessarily buy it makes for a healthier child.
I do agree that WHILE you are BF< the child will have added antibodies. But as soon as you stop BF, the antibodies diminish and the child is as protected by their own antibodies as any FF child. When I was debating b/w FF and BF, I read some studies that actually suggest BF increases the risks of asthma (and absolutely does not decrease the risks of developing asthma, which I was concerned about since DH has asthma). I also read that BF can make vaccinations LESS effective b/c the antibodies being passed from mom interfere with the production of antibodies in the child (from a vaccination). I don't have the info at hand so don't flame me. But if you search the internet, there are all kinds of articles out there. So I would be curious where the writer of the one you posted got his info from (as with any article, where do they come up with the data?).
I think there are always two sides to each debate, you can find the + and negative of everything we do in life.
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Posted by SweetTooth
I breastfed and DS has eczema and allergies, and in his first 15 months of life has been to a plastic surgeon, a dermatologist, an ophthalmologist and and an allergist in addition to several sick visits to the ped.
See, that's my point. And yet your DD has never had these issues, right?
For me, I never BF one drop and my DD (knock wood), has never even had a cold yet, not even a sniffle, or any ailment, and she is 16+ mths old.
I don't think BF is superior to FF, I think it's very individual based on the child, and other factors involved.
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Re: Interesting article/study re: breastfeeding
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I bf'ed/pumped for 6 weeks before I had to stop bc of multiple severe cases of mastitis.
I have to say that it is only recently that I can say that the article does not upset me.
I know it's not meant to, nor was it Ophelia's intent to say that BF moms are better than FF moms, but it is definitely an issue that really hurts for those of us who tried to or didn't try to but couldn't for various reasons.
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I always wonder and maybe some of you moms who tried to BF and it did not work out for you or those of you who went straight to FF.....why do you get so upset over articles like this?
Is it because you believe breast milk is better and you are genuinely upset that you could not BF?
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Is it because you feel guilty because you are being told that you should have BF?
I am genuinely wondering what gets people so up in arms over the BF issue.
If a study came out tomorrow saying that FF was better than BF I would still BF as I really enjoy BF and its so much more than just feeding my child for me.
I think this is 2 fold.
The first part of it is that noone is going to argue the fact that BM is best. And as moms, we all want to do the best for our children. By not being able to provide BM, it is automatically assumed that you are not doing what is best for your child.
The second part, which is what had me in tears, and so upset for months about not being able to bf, is that somehow you failed.
All these articles make is seem that bf is soooo convenient, so easy, so natural, and that every woman did it before formula so why can't you? Like you are less of a woman because you do no bf.
And then there's the lactation consultants, and pro-bf moms and groups who constantly push the fact that "you have to be truly committed to be successful at bf, that is not easy, that it is a sacrifice, and if you REALLY want it, then you can do it. This really eats at you when you are the one that has to make the decision to stop, whether it be for your health, your sanity, or just because it is more convenient for you to BF. Somehow, you feel like you were not committed enough. you didn't make enough of an effort like ebf moms do.
That is what stings the most for me. That somehow I did something wrong. I didn't try enough. I failed my baby.
So yes, while I agree that it is important to educate people that bm is best, I think sometimes the push is so strong that it makes those of us who were not successful feel really horrible, to the point of ppd.
I happen to agree with this poster. The stigma that we are not truly commited bothers me. I tried..it didn't work for a few reasons..some emotinal and some physical but i still feel like I failed and when things like this come out..it just further puts a knife in my heart and the guilt is overwhelming sometimes. Wheather the intention was there or not..you can't change the way people feel.
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I EBF both my kids - i found it more convenient b/c the milk was always available and never had to clean bottles! It was a little more difficult b/c it is solely up the mother to feed the babies. I wanted to BF b/c I believe that it is healthier for the mother and baby and it also helped me lose all of my baby weight - it burns a ton of calories. I think the point of the article is that there needs to be more support for women to BF. While it is a "natural" act, it is not natural/human nature for 99% of women. When I was in the hospital with my DS, I sought out the lactation specialist everyday and bothered the crap out of her so I could figure out what the hell to do. I think hospitals should help with BFing more - it is not an easy thing to do. It is alot easier for the hospitals to just push FF but I think alot of women would love a little more assistance when they are starting out BFing. I know I did. Also, workplaces could be more accomodating with pumping. My boss was pretty good about it and I have my own office, so I could lock the door and pump. If that wasn't the way, I don't think I would continue to pump. BFing is not easy at all - if there was more support for women in how to do it, tips on producing more milk, etc., i think more women would be able to bf.
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Okay, now I can post since DD is not nursing at the moment 
First, I saw this article last week when I was surfing the news on my BB. I didn't want to post it because I didn't want to offend anyone who doesn't BF, but on the other hand, I did because as a EBFing mom with no support, reading at 4:30 AM and exhausted, this made me smile.
I do want to thank O for posting it, as I've been struggling (as some who've read my posts the past two days may know) with BFing at night and DH's lack of support. It once again made me smile and reminded me what I was fighting for.
That being said, I think there were some great points brought up on this thread by a few PPs.
I think if this country aimed for 90% compliance, a case really could be made for reforming the horrible maternity leave in this country. I commend all working moms, but my hat goes off to those who EBF, as I don't think I could deal with the stress of having to pump all through the workday. I know having the baby at arms length makes for much easier BFing, so I do hope this would help pressure those in DC to reform this country's paltry maternity leave.
I also wanted to address the LCs who many times make matters worse and the lack of assistance at some hospitals. I think if they were to strive for maximum compliance, hospitals without proper support for those who wish to BF would be forced to implement programs to assist those women. I also think that LCs would be more accountable. I had a horrible experience with the LCs where I delivered and although they meant well, they almost caused me, as well as a neighbor who delivered there a day after to fail at EBFing. In my case, I needed a nipple shield. DD had a small mouth, was losing weight rapidly in the hospital and had a hard time latching to my flat nipples. DH and I begged for the nipple shield, fully aware of the risks (decreased milk production). I was a hormonal crying mess. They still would not give me the shield. I asked if they would let me show them how I would latch her to see if I was doing it right. Instead, they would latch her on to me and I wasn't able to do it without them. Their answer was to come to their groups, which I couldn't because DH was working and I had a C. She had lost over 10% of her weight in the hospital and they sent me home with formula and I just cried and cried. Thank God for the lovely women on here who told me to just get the nipple shield and explained how to use it. When the LC called me the next week and I told them that we were having success with the shield, they said they wanted me to wean her that day! That is when I realized that they were insane and I stopped dealing with them and looked to LIF for support. I think if they were forced to have a certain compliance rate, they would listen to the patients and personalize their care to each individual woman.
Bottom line is I hope that studies like this force the medical community and those on Capital Hill to really do right by new mommies!
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Re: Interesting article/study re: breastfeeding
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Nice- except it puts even more pressure on the poor moms who would love to exclusively breastfeed but cannot, no matter WHAT they do, make enough milk to do so.
Sorry but this is a sore point for me. I would have LOVED to exclusively breastfed my babies for six months. I was happy to be able to supplement and at least give them a little bit of protection. 
thats me. i BF for 1 month and 1 month too long. i had practically no supply. i wish i would have been able to do it longer.
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oh for pete's sake! 
first of all, to anyone who is saddened or made to feel guilty that they have to supplement or tried and it didn't work out or for ANY of the 2934785738928589372958395739285834957295739295723956720105884929285938693868 reasons we as mothers will feel guilt at something we have done/will do/not do for our kids, I am sorry.
this posting was NOT intended for that at all.
it was also NOT. I repeat. NOT a knock at moms who formula feed/fed/fod/fo/fum.
I wanted to write this before I addressed any posts specifically directed at me. now, for that......
Posted by KateDevine
Posted by Ophelia
I think most formula feeders acknowlege this and accept it and call it a day. I don't think most fail to realize that breast milk has properties that make it superior to formula.
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But what if you don't have ANY breast milk. Formula was far superior to the not ONE drop of milk that came from my breasts.
I don't think that is fair at all.
I give a TON of credit BFers, and I hope that the same credit and respect would be given to FF mothers as well.
I don't understand why you took what I wrote the way you did. it is patently obvious to anyone that SOME food is better than NO food.
I do produce milk, but not enough to fully satisfy my sons daily requirement so I supplement. obviously I'd be in A LOT of trouble if I couldn't as would my son. again, NOT A KNOCK at formula users.
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I think it kinda goes without saying that Ophelia was NOT referring to Mom's who CANNOT BF.
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I think that is true for anything.
at the end of the day, there is a BEST of everything and then there are varying degrees of "does the job" "good enough" "is almost as good"
I think most formula feeders acknowlege this and accept it and call it a day. I don't think most fail to realize that breast milk has properties that make it superior to formula.
anyway, I gotta go. hopefully this won't require a visit from the Pontiff.
I was FF DD by choice and while I do agree environmentally BF may be superior,I don't necessarily buy it makes for a healthier child.
I do agree that WHILE you are BF< the child will have added antibodies. But as soon as you stop BF, the antibodies diminish and the child is as protected by their own antibodies as any FF child. When I was debating b/w FF and BF, I read some studies that actually suggest BF increases the risks of asthma (and absolutely does not decrease the risks of developing asthma, which I was concerned about since DH has asthma). I also read that BF can make vaccinations LESS effective b/c the antibodies being passed from mom interfere with the production of antibodies in the child (from a vaccination). I don't have the info at hand so don't flame me. But if you search the internet, there are all kinds of articles out there. So I would be curious where the writer of the one you posted got his info from (as with any article, where do they come up with the data?).
I think there are always two sides to each debate, you can find the + and negative of everything we do in life.
you don't "buy" it, so you didn't do it. that is great.
I don't need to find the positive or negative of anything. I have my reasons for doing what I do...I breast feed for a multitude of reasons and I supplement with formula for ONE...b/c it feeds my son.
I would love to not have too, mostly for financial and environmental reasons but clearly I don't think formula is poison.
I just don't understand why people who CHOOSE to ff (not those who's choice was made for them, I can understand that feeling of sadness) who are jim dandy with the decision get so crazy. this is what I was talking about the other day. but again, such is LIF.
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ahhhh, such drama ......
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Jess, I can only speak for me, but I don't think you posted this as a knock to anyone and I didn't take it that way. I was just posting about my sadness I sometimes feel about my situation...
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Re: Interesting article/study re: breastfeeding
Posted by Ophelia
I just don't understand why people who CHOOSE to ff (not those who's choice was made for them, I can understand that feeling of sadness) who are jim dandy with the decision get so crazy. this is what I was talking about the other day. but again, such is LIF.
It's not just an LIF thing...
I'm a FF mom...as I posted, I hated every part of BFing my DD. I have no intention on BFing when DC#2 is born.
There is such a stigma about FFing. FF moms are often critized and looked down upon for not doing what is "right" for our children. I have a VERY crunchy granola BIL and SIL. I get along great with them, but rest assured I've heard the comments by my BIL and have seen him reading the ingredients of DD's formula while scoffing about what I'm putting into her body.
I know there are two sides of the coin. BFing moms also have their own stigmas (i.e. the whole BFing in public thing). But at the end of the day, it's the FFing moms that are made to feel (and I'm not referring to anyone here, just in general), that we are doing such a disservice to our kids by giving them formula.
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I posted this b/c breast feeding is tough and as much as I LOVE it, sometimes it just weighs on you.
between the pumping at work, Luce still waking up for 3 feedings during the night (which only I can do) and the times, like on Sunday night when we just walked through the door, sheets needed to be put on the bed and Luce wakes up screaming for a feeding...that I want to give up.
it was meant to be a pick me up b/c I NEEDED one and know that some other ladies do too.
for those of you who think we "big it up" too much, it's b/c we try to be there to support each other b/c unless you've been there....it's hard to understand. so yeah, maybe we do need more "cheerleading" than a formula feeder does. it takes a different kind of toll.
really, I meant no disrespect to ANYONE and I am sorry it was taken that way.
but I am equally not feeling so hot about the turn this thread has taken. I don't think that is fair either.
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Re: Interesting article/study re: breastfeeding
I chose to FF my sons. Never had a desire to breastfeed. Never felt guilty about not breastfeeding them. I give moms who breastfeed alot of credit.
Everyone needs to answer to themselves at the end of the day. If you are happy with your decision to FF, if you are happy with your decision to BF, if you tried and gave it your best and it didn't work - you should still be proud of yourself.
How I feed my child is between me and my husband. No one else.
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Re: Interesting article/study re: breastfeeding
Posted by Ophelia
I posted this b/c breast feeding is tough and as much as I LOVE it, sometimes it just weighs on you.
between the pumping at work, Luce still waking up for 3 feedings during the night (which only I can do) and the times, like on Sunday night when we just walked through the door, sheets needed to be put on the bed and Luce wakes up screaming for a feeding...that I want to give up.
it was meant to be a pick me up b/c I NEEDED one and know that some other ladies do too.
for those of you who think we "big it up" too much, it's b/c we try to be there to support each other b/c unless you've been there....it's hard to understand. so yeah, maybe we do need more "cheerleading" than a formula feeder does. it takes a different kind of toll.
really, I meant no disrespect to ANYONE and I am sorry it was taken that way.
but I am equally not feeling so hot about the turn this thread has taken. I don't think that is fair either.
thats the point though, those of us that tried and failed HAVE been there, so dont talk to us like we havent and dont understand. As a FF mother who tried for 3 MONTHS to breastfeed, dont tell me I dont understand and I havent been there. Thats the kind of thing that p-isses me off, honestly. I get its "toll" and the additional toll it takes on those who struggled and cried for months and months, up at all hours, trying for HOURS to BF our child for 10 minutes! Dont tell me I d0nt understand the toll it takes. After tears and tears and tears and tears.....and ultimately failing to be able to provide for my son in the most "motherly" sort of way......and then the toll of the guilt that went on for MONTHS from myself and from others.....dont tell me I dont "get it".
We needed support too, but instead we are CONSTANTLY bombarded with articles and Drs and people telling us breast is best! That for a million and one reasons our children are worse of than those who were BF, how we are hurting the environment, and apparently added to the rising cost of medicine now.
There are no cheerleaders for FF mommies just hundreds of articles on how we are doing a disservice or a stigma that we arent doing whats best for our child.
Im just so over it. Im sorry, its clear this has hit a nerve with me.
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Re: Interesting article/study re: breastfeeding
Posted by Ophelia
I posted this b/c breast feeding is tough and as much as I LOVE it, sometimes it just weighs on you.
between the pumping at work, Luce still waking up for 3 feedings during the night (which only I can do) and the times, like on Sunday night when we just walked through the door, sheets needed to be put on the bed and Luce wakes up screaming for a feeding...that I want to give up.
it was meant to be a pick me up b/c I NEEDED one and know that some other ladies do too.
for those of you who think we "big it up" too much, it's b/c we try to be there to support each other b/c unless you've been there....it's hard to understand. so yeah, maybe we do need more "cheerleading" than a formula feeder does. it takes a different kind of toll.
really, I meant no disrespect to ANYONE and I am sorry it was taken that way.
but I am equally not feeling so hot about the turn this thread has taken. I don't think that is fair either.
I agree with you - I thought the article was interesting in that it advocated for more support for mothers in breastfeeding. If it takes touting the health/economic benefits to get this support, then so be it.
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Posted by eddiesmommy
Posted by Ophelia
I posted this b/c breast feeding is tough and as much as I LOVE it, sometimes it just weighs on you.
between the pumping at work, Luce still waking up for 3 feedings during the night (which only I can do) and the times, like on Sunday night when we just walked through the door, sheets needed to be put on the bed and Luce wakes up screaming for a feeding...that I want to give up.
it was meant to be a pick me up b/c I NEEDED one and know that some other ladies do too.
for those of you who think we "big it up" too much, it's b/c we try to be there to support each other b/c unless you've been there....it's hard to understand. so yeah, maybe we do need more "cheerleading" than a formula feeder does. it takes a different kind of toll.
really, I meant no disrespect to ANYONE and I am sorry it was taken that way.
but I am equally not feeling so hot about the turn this thread has taken. I don't think that is fair either.
thats the point though, those of us that tried and failed HAVE been there, so dont talk to us like we havent and dont understand. As a FF mother who tried for 3 MONTHS to breastfeed, dont tell me I dont understand and I havent been there. Thats the kind of thing that p-isses me off, honestly. I get its "toll" and the additional toll it takes on those who struggled and cried for months and months, up at all hours, trying for HOURS to BF our child for 10 minutes! Dont tell me I d0nt understand the toll it takes. After tears and tears and tears and tears.....and ultimately failing to be able to provide for my son in the most "motherly" sort of way......and then the toll of the guilt that went on for MONTHS from myself and from others.....dont tell me I dont "get it".
We needed support too, but instead we are CONSTANTLY bombarded with articles and Drs and people telling us breast is best! That for a million and one reasons our children are worse of than those who were BF, how we are hurting the environment, and apparently added to the rising cost of medicine now.
There are no cheerleaders for FF mommies just hundreds of articles on how we are doing a disservice or a stigma that we arent doing whats best for our child.
Im just so over it. Im sorry, its clear this has hit a nerve with me.
I am sorry you feel this way, but I just wanted to requote what I wrote for clarity b/c I feel that I have been misunderstood
Posted by Ophelia
b/c unless you've been there....it's hard to understand.
I wasn't talking to you like you haven't. I wasn't talking to "you" at all.
I am sorry there aren't any formula support groups. that is not my doing or my problem. perhaps you all can do something about that. but don't loose your venom on me. it's not really called for.
ETA: the "unless you've been there" clearly isn't aimed at those who have...b/'c then you were there and the point is moot. I am a little
 about that but c'est la vie I suppose.
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Re: Interesting article/study re: breastfeeding
Posted by leighdvm
Jess, I can only speak for me, but I don't think you posted this as a knock to anyone and I didn't take it that way. I was just posting about my sadness I sometimes feel about my situation...
same here, nothing wrong with the article
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Re: Interesting article/study re: breastfeeding
Posted by Ophelia
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Posted by Ophelia
I posted this b/c breast feeding is tough and as much as I LOVE it, sometimes it just weighs on you.
between the pumping at work, Luce still waking up for 3 feedings during the night (which only I can do) and the times, like on Sunday night when we just walked through the door, sheets needed to be put on the bed and Luce wakes up screaming for a feeding...that I want to give up.
it was meant to be a pick me up b/c I NEEDED one and know that some other ladies do too.
for those of you who think we "big it up" too much, it's b/c we try to be there to support each other b/c unless you've been there....it's hard to understand. so yeah, maybe we do need more "cheerleading" than a formula feeder does. it takes a different kind of toll.
really, I meant no disrespect to ANYONE and I am sorry it was taken that way.
but I am equally not feeling so hot about the turn this thread has taken. I don't think that is fair either.
thats the point though, those of us that tried and failed HAVE been there, so dont talk to us like we havent and dont understand. As a FF mother who tried for 3 MONTHS to breastfeed, dont tell me I dont understand and I havent been there. Thats the kind of thing that p-isses me off, honestly. I get its "toll" and the additional toll it takes on those who struggled and cried for months and months, up at all hours, trying for HOURS to BF our child for 10 minutes! Dont tell me I d0nt understand the toll it takes. After tears and tears and tears and tears.....and ultimately failing to be able to provide for my son in the most "motherly" sort of way......and then the toll of the guilt that went on for MONTHS from myself and from others.....dont tell me I dont "get it".
We needed support too, but instead we are CONSTANTLY bombarded with articles and Drs and people telling us breast is best! That for a million and one reasons our children are worse of than those who were BF, how we are hurting the environment, and apparently added to the rising cost of medicine now.
There are no cheerleaders for FF mommies just hundreds of articles on how we are doing a disservice or a stigma that we arent doing whats best for our child.
Im just so over it. Im sorry, its clear this has hit a nerve with me.
I am sorry you feel this way, but I just wanted to requote what I wrote for clarity b/c I feel that I have been misunderstood
Posted by Ophelia
b/c unless you've been there....it's hard to understand.
I wasn't talking to you like you haven't. I wasn't talking to "you" at all.
I am sorry there aren't any formula support groups. that is not my doing or my problem. perhaps you all can do something about that. but don't loose your venom on me. it's not really called for.
ETA: the "unless you've been there" clearly isn't aimed at those who have...b/'c then you were there and the point is moot. I am a little
about that but c'est la vie I suppose.
you were talking to those who FF, I FF.
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Re: Interesting article/study re: breastfeeding
Posted by eddiesmommy
Posted by Ophelia
I posted this b/c breast feeding is tough and as much as I LOVE it, sometimes it just weighs on you.
between the pumping at work, Luce still waking up for 3 feedings during the night (which only I can do) and the times, like on Sunday night when we just walked through the door, sheets needed to be put on the bed and Luce wakes up screaming for a feeding...that I want to give up.
it was meant to be a pick me up b/c I NEEDED one and know that some other ladies do too.
for those of you who think we "big it up" too much, it's b/c we try to be there to support each other b/c unless you've been there....it's hard to understand. so yeah, maybe we do need more "cheerleading" than a formula feeder does. it takes a different kind of toll.
really, I meant no disrespect to ANYONE and I am sorry it was taken that way.
but I am equally not feeling so hot about the turn this thread has taken. I don't think that is fair either.
thats the point though, those of us that tried and failed HAVE been there, so dont talk to us like we havent and dont understand. As a FF mother who tried for 3 MONTHS to breastfeed, dont tell me I dont understand and I havent been there. Thats the kind of thing that p-isses me off, honestly. I get its "toll" and the additional toll it takes on those who struggled and cried for months and months, up at all hours, trying for HOURS to BF our child for 10 minutes! Dont tell me I d0nt understand the toll it takes. After tears and tears and tears and tears.....and ultimately failing to be able to provide for my son in the most "motherly" sort of way......and then the toll of the guilt that went on for MONTHS from myself and from others.....dont tell me I dont "get it".
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I think it is obvious that Ophelia was not referring to you in particular. I understand your feelings of sadness, I feel the same way not being able to BF KJ after doing everything "right", everything I was told to do
i DO think you are projecting your feelings onto Jess, unnecessarily
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| Posted 4/14/10 11:27 AM |
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pinkandblue
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Re: Interesting article/study re: breastfeeding
Posted by eddiesmommy
you were talking to those who FF, I FF.
she was talking to those that FF by CHOICE, not due to the fact that they could not bf (I THINK)
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| Posted 4/14/10 11:28 AM |
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Ophelia
she's baaccckkkk ;)
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remember, when Gulliver traveled....
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Re: Interesting article/study re: breastfeeding
Posted by eddiesmommy
Posted by Ophelia
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I am sorry you feel this way, but I just wanted to requote what I wrote for clarity b/c I feel that I have been misunderstood
Posted by Ophelia
b/c unless you've been there....it's hard to understand.
I wasn't talking to you like you haven't. I wasn't talking to "you" at all.
I am sorry there aren't any formula support groups. that is not my doing or my problem. perhaps you all can do something about that. but don't loose your venom on me. it's not really called for.
ETA: the "unless you've been there" clearly isn't aimed at those who have...b/'c then you were there and the point is moot. I am a little
about that but c'est la vie I suppose.
you were talking to those who FF, I FF.
I ff too. but I was more speaking to those that maybe NEVER tried to bf, so hadn't been there, and maybe couldn't understand.
this isn't personal. this isn't about YOU. again, I am sorry for all you went through. If you'd look back at the first few weeks of my son's life, you'd also see the fight and tears *I* went through...but that's not the point and not really necessary.
the point is, the article was not to malign YOU in any way. so please don't jump on my *** about it. it's uncalled for. thanks.
Edited for length.
Message edited 4/14/2010 11:29:40 AM.
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| Posted 4/14/10 11:29 AM |
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eddiesmommy
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Re: Interesting article/study re: breastfeeding
Posted by Ophelia
Posted by eddiesmommy
Posted by Ophelia
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I am sorry you feel this way, but I just wanted to requote what I wrote for clarity b/c I feel that I have been misunderstood
Posted by Ophelia
b/c unless you've been there....it's hard to understand.
I wasn't talking to you like you haven't. I wasn't talking to "you" at all.
I am sorry there aren't any formula support groups. that is not my doing or my problem. perhaps you all can do something about that. but don't loose your venom on me. it's not really called for.
ETA: the "unless you've been there" clearly isn't aimed at those who have...b/'c then you were there and the point is moot. I am a little
about that but c'est la vie I suppose.
you were talking to those who FF, I FF.
I ff too. but I was more speaking to those that maybe NEVER tried to bf, so hadn't been there, and maybe couldn't understand.
this isn't personal. this isn't about YOU. again, I am sorry for all you went through. If you'd look back at the first few weeks of my son's life, you'd also see the fight and tears *I* went through...but that's not the point and not really necessary.
the point is, the article was not to malign YOU in any way. so please don't jump on my *** about it. it's uncalled for. thanks.
Edited for length.
i think supplementing is different from EFF....that last post rubbed me the wrong way, and Im not going to apologize for it.
I dont think its so uncalled for, you said, FF moms havent been there and dont understand.....some of us have. I dont see how that doesnt apply to me.
Message edited 4/14/2010 11:31:05 AM.
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| Posted 4/14/10 11:30 AM |
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Ophelia
she's baaccckkkk ;)
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remember, when Gulliver traveled....
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Re: Interesting article/study re: breastfeeding
Posted by pinkandblue
Posted by eddiesmommy
you were talking to those who FF, I FF.
she was talking to those that FF by CHOICE, not due to the fact that they could not bf (I THINK)
I was talking about ANYONE who has never been there and for that reason, that it would be hard to understand.
that should clearly leave out anyone who tried it and struggled and knows how hard it was and for reasons beyond their control or for personal reasons or for ANY REASON they could not longer do it. that is completely different. I am sorry if that was not clear.
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| Posted 4/14/10 11:31 AM |
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pinkandblue
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Re: Interesting article/study re: breastfeeding
Posted by eddiesmommy
you said, FF moms havent been there and dont understand.....some of us have. I dont see how that doesnt apply to me.
it doesn't apply to you because you HAVE been there....I don't understand the issue here
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| Posted 4/14/10 11:32 AM |
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