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BabyFever10
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Re: Anyone a practicing Catholic??
Posted by ttcc
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from this website it seems like they are only agasint anything that requires a man masturbating.
Reproductive Technologies in Disagreement with Catholic Teachings: Obtaining a semen sample by means of masturbation. Artificial insemination using sperm from a donor (AID) or even the husband (AIH) if obtained by masturbation
Its against any type of conception that would be outside the womans body. But yes they are against male masturbation of any kind because its considered a prevention of what could be a possible conception.
It does get kinds technical which is why i had to look it up
but in this case its the opposite....its how conception is going to be acheived.
But the Church considers it immoral any procedure which substitutes or suppresses a need for marital intercourse
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BabyFever10
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Re: Anyone a practicing Catholic??
Posted by AMPirate
I have an aunt and uncle who TTC and were unable to through b-ding. They chose not to pursue it further and do not have any children of their own. My aunt has told me that they felt that if they couldn't get pregnant then it wasn't in God's plans for them.
They are amazing people and would have been wonderful parents (they are like my second parents) I don't know if their decision had anything to do with the church's stand on fertility treatments or just their belief in God's plan for them.
I don't know what I would do if it came to that point for us. I haven't looked in to the specifics of the church's position. I guess if it came to that I would need to read up on it, pray and hope I am to realize what God would want me to do (which, IMO, isn't always the same as what the church says you should do)
Thank you so much for sharing this - it helps to hear about people who believe so strongly in their faith.
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| Posted 1/22/10 12:19 PM |
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BabyFever10
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Re: Anyone a practicing Catholic??
Posted by Tilde
There are methods that are approved by the church.
I feel like I can't answer this question because I DID get pregnant so I don't know what I would do if I couldn't. I also engaged in premarital sex so, it would be hypocritical for me to say that I ALWAYS follow the churches teachings.
Anyway, I think you should talk to your priest about any options that ARE available to Catholics ( I know there ARE a few ).
I will say a prayer to St Gerard for all of you girls! 
I know how difficult this is because AFTER I got pregnant, they are making me take all of these tests and there is all this talk about "my options if the results are abnormal." I wanted to decline the testing like the ultrascreen but my brother convinced me to get it done just in case it allows them to find something that they can fix. I honestly feel terrible even GETTING the testing and my DH agrees but I feel like I was almost given no option just told where and when to show up. . .
Thanks for the prayers 
Good luck with your testing ....im sure it will all be fine but some extra prayers for you too
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| Posted 1/22/10 12:23 PM |
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Lisa982006
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Re: Anyone a practicing Catholic??
Posted by Pray4Baby2010
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I'm a practicing Catholic and I would and will do whatever it takes to get pregnant. I don't believe that if I don't get pregnant naturally that it is somehow not in God's plan or His will. Just like I don't think it's His will for people who are able to have children naturally to have them and then abuse/neglect/abort them.
Infertility is a disease. If I had cancer I would not hesitate in treating it so I could live and fulfill all that I want to in my life. Why should I not treat infertility in othe same way? JMHO of course!
perfectly stated! I think God helps those who help themselves
I agree with this. As to not get into too much detail, I am seeing an RE after 2 m/c. Turns out there is an underlying issue. The treatment, right now, is within church guidelines. However, if we need to venture out, I will.
Maybe if everyone in this world who had a child was totally and completely deserving I might say to myself "well maybe this is Gods will and Im not suppose to have children." But I can not accept that there are 16 year olds who get pregnant and have MTV shows about it yet decent, responsible, mature, married women cant have children. Furthermore, I think any woman who would but herself through any type of infertility treatment obviously wants more then anything to be a mother. Why would God deny a baby that type of love??
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GinaR
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Re: Anyone a practicing Catholic??
I don't know if this helps you or not, but the bible was written before modern medicine. Therefore there is no record of god/jesus saying these procedures were wrong. You need to do what you know in your heart is the best thing for you and your family. Not what the people who are running the church say is right or wrong.
best of luck with everything!
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michele31
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Re: Anyone a practicing Catholic??
Only you can know what is right for you.
Did all of the devout Catholics wait till marriage until having ANY sex or ever use ANY birth control ever?
We all have our own relationships with God..and no Church or a MAN-MADE rule (notice NO women helped to make the "rule") can tell you what is right or wrong for you and your family.
Jesus did not say that IVF goes against God. You have to take what is told to you and really think about it carefully.
If you do not want to have IF treatments that is, of course, your choice but don't let anyone make you feel bad if you decide to move forward. Bringing a life into this World is NOT against God, Jesus or any Church.
I should add that I am very faithful and believe very strongly in God, Jesus and Mother Mary. I just cannot let women feel bad about TTC and IF treatments because of some random rules set by men who will never have to deal with this situation.
Message edited 1/22/2010 4:07:26 PM.
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BabyFever10
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Re: Anyone a practicing Catholic??
Just wanted to thank everyone for responding. Reading what everyone has written has given me alot to think about and I've realized what path I need to take. There is no choice...Im Catholic and I dont get to pick and choose which parts of being Catholic I want to be. I chose this faith because I believe in what the Catholic Church stands for and the guidelines of the Church ...and that is what I will follow.
Its not always an easy path...Ive made sacrafices before that were hard...and this may be another ...but its the path I believe will lead me to eternal happiness. My faith is my salvation!
WOW -- i feel like a weight has been lifted off my shoulders lol! Thanks again everyone.
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kristen92450
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Re: Anyone a practicing Catholic??
I am Catholic..went to Catholic school etc..The way I look at it is that God created the people who invented IUI and IVF and just because the Catholic CHurch says it is wrong...doesn't mean god thinks it is.. The Catholic CHurch has done A LOT of things wrong lately that God wouldn't believe in. I will definetly have IUI and IVF if it comes to that.. I will not be hurting anyone by doing that and it doesn't go against any commandments. Also..God gives free will..
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ChiefMT
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Re: Anyone a practicing Catholic??
Sorry I got so heated... It just frustrates me when the Church takes a strong stance on what was never even ever mentioned in the bible. I strongly believe that God does want us to procreate in our own image and likeness just as he did. Best of luck whatever you decide to do and I pray that everything is okay with you and you will never even be faced with the choice.
This is one of my favorite quotes to get through all this TTC stuff:
"Faith isn't the ability to believe long and far into the misty future. It's simply taking God at His Word and taking the next step."
- Joni Erickson Tada
Best of luck!!!!
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BabyFever10
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Re: Anyone a practicing Catholic??
Posted by kristen92450
I am Catholic..went to Catholic school etc..The way I look at it is that God created the people who invented IUI and IVF and just because the Catholic CHurch says it is wrong...doesn't mean god thinks it is.. The Catholic CHurch has done A LOT of things wrong lately that God wouldn't believe in. I will definetly have IUI and IVF if it comes to that.. I will not be hurting anyone by doing that and it doesn't go against any commandments. Also..God gives free will..
Im sorry but i just had to comment on this. Just b/c God created the people who invented IUI and IVF doesnt mean he would approve - God created the people that murder and rape and I highly doubt thats the path he would want them to take. Your right about just b/c the Church says its wrong doesnt mean God does - but since Gods word was written before alot of modern technology, the Church takes a stance for what they beleive to be in the best of their knowledge what God would want and what is morally right. And usually they air on the side of caution. The point of a Church is to provide spiritual guidance to its members so I guess I just dont understand those who are Catholic but oppose Catholic beliefs.
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BabyFever10
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Re: Anyone a practicing Catholic??
Posted by ChiefMT
Sorry I got so heated... It just frustrates me when the Church takes a strong stance on what was never even ever mentioned in the bible. I strongly believe that God does want us to procreate in our own image and likeness just as he did. Best of luck whatever you decide to do and I pray that everything is okay with you and you will never even be faced with the choice.
This is one of my favorite quotes to get through all this TTC stuff:
"Faith isn't the ability to believe long and far into the misty future. It's simply taking God at His Word and taking the next step."
- Joni Erickson Tada
Best of luck!!!!
Thank you for your kind words and good luck to you as well. 
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MrsDeVito
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Re: Anyone a practicing Catholic??
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Posted by kristen92450
I am Catholic..went to Catholic school etc..The way I look at it is that God created the people who invented IUI and IVF and just because the Catholic CHurch says it is wrong...doesn't mean god thinks it is.. The Catholic CHurch has done A LOT of things wrong lately that God wouldn't believe in. I will definetly have IUI and IVF if it comes to that.. I will not be hurting anyone by doing that and it doesn't go against any commandments. Also..God gives free will..
Im sorry but i just had to comment on this. Just b/c God created the people who invented IUI and IVF doesnt mean he would approve - God created the people that murder and rape and I highly doubt thats the path he would want them to take. Your right about just b/c the Church says its wrong doesnt mean God does - but since Gods word was written before alot of modern technology, the Church takes a stance for what they beleive to be in the best of their knowledge what God would want and what is morally right. And usually they air on the side of caution. The point of a Church is to provide spiritual guidance to its members so I guess I just dont understand those who are Catholic but oppose Catholic beliefs.
I think you'd be hardpressed to find many Catholics that aren't opposed to at least one of the Catholic church's beliefs. I don't think that is really the issue. And I think grouping murders and rapists in the same category as scientists and doctors who make people's dreams of having a child to love is a bit of a stretch.
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Re: Anyone a practicing Catholic??
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Posted by kristen92450
I am Catholic..went to Catholic school etc..The way I look at it is that God created the people who invented IUI and IVF and just because the Catholic CHurch says it is wrong...doesn't mean god thinks it is.. The Catholic CHurch has done A LOT of things wrong lately that God wouldn't believe in. I will definetly have IUI and IVF if it comes to that.. I will not be hurting anyone by doing that and it doesn't go against any commandments. Also..God gives free will..
Im sorry but i just had to comment on this. Just b/c God created the people who invented IUI and IVF doesnt mean he would approve - God created the people that murder and rape and I highly doubt thats the path he would want them to take. Your right about just b/c the Church says its wrong doesnt mean God does - but since Gods word was written before alot of modern technology, the Church takes a stance for what they beleive to be in the best of their knowledge what God would want and what is morally right. And usually they air on the side of caution. The point of a Church is to provide spiritual guidance to its members so I guess I just dont understand those who are Catholic but oppose Catholic beliefs.
I think you'd be hardpressed to find many Catholics that aren't opposed to at least one of the Catholic church's beliefs. I don't think that is really the issue. And I think grouping murders and rapists in the same category as scientists and doctors who make people's dreams of having a child to love is a bit of a stretch.
I agree, but you can use that argument for anything. Oh it's okay to do such and such b/c god created it. Anyway, I am a practicing Catholic, but I had premarital sex and used bc. If we have to go the route of IVF and we feel it is right for us, we will. I want a child, but never felt it had to be my biological child necessarily, so if we need to look into adoption we will. There are so many children that need to be loved.
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BabyFever10
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Re: Anyone a practicing Catholic??
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Posted by kristen92450
I am Catholic..went to Catholic school etc..The way I look at it is that God created the people who invented IUI and IVF and just because the Catholic CHurch says it is wrong...doesn't mean god thinks it is.. The Catholic CHurch has done A LOT of things wrong lately that God wouldn't believe in. I will definetly have IUI and IVF if it comes to that.. I will not be hurting anyone by doing that and it doesn't go against any commandments. Also..God gives free will..
Im sorry but i just had to comment on this. Just b/c God created the people who invented IUI and IVF doesnt mean he would approve - God created the people that murder and rape and I highly doubt thats the path he would want them to take. Your right about just b/c the Church says its wrong doesnt mean God does - but since Gods word was written before alot of modern technology, the Church takes a stance for what they beleive to be in the best of their knowledge what God would want and what is morally right. And usually they air on the side of caution. The point of a Church is to provide spiritual guidance to its members so I guess I just dont understand those who are Catholic but oppose Catholic beliefs.
I think you'd be hardpressed to find many Catholics that aren't opposed to at least one of the Catholic church's beliefs. I don't think that is really the issue. And I think grouping murders and rapists in the same category as scientists and doctors who make people's dreams of having a child to love is a bit of a stretch.
Just to clarify - i wasnt comparing scientists and rapists - just pointing out the theory of PP would apply to anyone since God created us all.
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Re: Anyone a practicing Catholic??
I hope that none are you are ever in the situation that you will need IF treatment.
I am not Catholic and therefore am not going to put my two cents into this discussion, however I wanted you ladies to know that if you do find yourself in this position - and need an SA or IUI, there is a special kind of condom you can use to collect the semen sample.
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BabyFever10
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Re: Anyone a practicing Catholic??
Posted by SweetTooth
I hope that none are you are ever in the situation that you will need IF treatment.
I am not Catholic and therefore am not going to put my two cents into this discussion, however I wanted you ladies to know that if you do find yourself in this position - and need an SA or IUI, there is a special kind of condom you can use to collect the semen sample.
Thank you for the information. Im sure my dr will want an SA when i go next week - and I was gonna ask her if the lab will accept the condom sample. I found that pre seed sell thems - its called a Semen Collection Condom (Catholics guildline would be to poke a hole in the condom). Some research suggests this is a better method than masturbation since the men have less anxiety and might produce a higher count.
Heres a link for more info:
Collection condom
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