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Re: Shots in the hospital
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The only thing the baby should be receiving in the hospital, pending no other medical complications is a vitamin K shot and erythromycin ointment for the eyes. Boh you Can NOT refuse in the hospital, they are state mandated.
The baby should not be receiving any vaccinations after birth.
they DO frequently give hep B along with the vit. k and the ointment... but you can request they don't do the hep B.
I frankly don't understand why a kid needs that shot in the first 5 min of life... it's not like they were born in the primate facility of the bronx zoo or something!
They are suppose to get permission ahead of time for that since it is not a mandated vaccine....unfortunately some how there seems to be a loop hole and many times they just give it.....
I know the hospital I worked at asked the parents about this one ahead of time.....
that's not universally true at all and is going to scare people for no reason.
i had to sign a waiver saying i was giving hep b at the first doc appt and not at the hospital. i would have had to sign a paper saying i wanted them to give it in the hospital as well.
there was no loophole. i would have had to sign the paper either way.
Here is the document from NYS department of Health regarding the Hep-B vaccination, as I said earlier there are certain instances in which parental permission is NOT needed for the vaccinatinoa and if you try to refuse it they will report it to Social Services..........
I'm not a fan but it is what it is.........
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i'm not going to read an 83 page article.
so let them report it to social services. it's not mandated at birth.
the point is that most hospitals aren't going to try to squeeze in a shot under the noses of parents. that was one of the FIRST papers i had to fill out on admittance.
ETA: i wrote are instead of aren't
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Re: Shots in the hospital
Posted by Blissful
Here is the document from NYS department of Health regarding the Hep-B vaccination, as I said earlier there are certain instances in which parental permission is NOT needed for the vaccinatinoa and if you try to refuse it they will report it to Social Services..........
I'm not a fan but it is what it is.........
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well, I actually agree with that law... if a woman has hepatitis, of course her infant needs immediate treatment to avoid infection. to not do that would be to basically permit the child to contract hepatitis!
My decision / prior posts assume that the mother is fully immunized... (I always am careful to keep all my immunizations current... so I know I cannot transmit anything freaky to Scone!)
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Re: Shots in the hospital
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well, for the record, to quote my ped 'It's totally unecessary to give hep B so early. Scone only needs it after age 2'
so not all these things are so clear cut, and do not always originate from 'non-professionals'
My pediatrician says the same thing...my pediatrician also recommends delaying vaccinations and only doing one at a time, she was actually trained in India and Great Britain and did her fellowship at Yale New Haven, I qualify her to be a professional.....her example is that it is the same as when you start introducing foods to a new child..you always start 1 at a time incase you get a reaction you know exactly what cause the reaction.....
ETA: the reason for Hep B being done in the hospital is primarily for the lower income population that may not get adequate healthcare and whos chld may be more predisposed to being infected by Hep B because of the areas they live in etc. they are decisions made and pushed byt hte public health departments
I wasn't referring to doctors as non-professionals. I'm referring to other sources of information. I don't need a resume from anyone. I had information spewed at me when I was TTC, dealing with IF issues, when I was PG and now that I am a parent. And each and every bit of advice I took with a grain of salt - trusting my heart and my gut rather than the net or people who thought they knew best based on THEIR experiences. My heart and gut won out over everything and everyone else and all others were completely disproven.
We will all do what we feel is best for our kids. I simply cannot and will not subscribe to what I feel in my heart and gut are scare tactics. It may not be what the general population at large does for themselves and their kids. Fine for them. Its not for me. I am well read and educated too.
Its great the way you made your decision, you should always go by what your guts says. I think I was taken a back by your comment because I have done a lot of research, I am considered to be a medical professional and I feel that there really isn't a true answer to what is right and wrong when it comes to vaccinations. I think some physicans are better educated on teh subject than others.
I also don't trust everythign a doctor tells me word for word because I have on more than 1 occasion had to fix the "mistakes" of those doctors that almost cost my patients their lives.
I feel that as a parent to be it is my job to do as much good research as possible on a praticualr subject and make my decision with the backing of a physician I am comfortable with and trust.
We all get info spewed at us left and right. It is our job as parents or future parents to filter what is relevant to us and make the decision that is best for our individual families, and that may not be the same for everyone but thats ok!
I commend you for your thinking and decision making process and for going by what your gut tells you to do even though I may not necessarily agree with your views on this particular issue. But thats ok because what a boring place this world would be if were all thought the same way!
Thank you and I appreciate that. We can agree to disagree.
MY bottom line is this...
I would trust information given to me and my family from my doctors before I would trust ANYTHING written on the internet (this site in particular) even if it were written by the Surgeon General himself. Only a person who treats me or my child personally knows us best and universals are of no use to me.
I am not saying that we all have to accept everything a doctor tells us. It is our right to challenge them and get second opinions on anything. But I DO know that things would be very different for both me and my daughter right now if I DID NOT trust them. Right now, I could not be more grateful for the choices I made WITH my physicians.
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Re: Shots in the hospital
Posted by Goldi0218
Posted by Blissful
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Posted by Blissful
Posted by wannabemom
well, for the record, to quote my ped 'It's totally unecessary to give hep B so early. Scone only needs it after age 2'
so not all these things are so clear cut, and do not always originate from 'non-professionals'
My pediatrician says the same thing...my pediatrician also recommends delaying vaccinations and only doing one at a time, she was actually trained in India and Great Britain and did her fellowship at Yale New Haven, I qualify her to be a professional.....her example is that it is the same as when you start introducing foods to a new child..you always start 1 at a time incase you get a reaction you know exactly what cause the reaction.....
ETA: the reason for Hep B being done in the hospital is primarily for the lower income population that may not get adequate healthcare and whos chld may be more predisposed to being infected by Hep B because of the areas they live in etc. they are decisions made and pushed byt hte public health departments
I wasn't referring to doctors as non-professionals. I'm referring to other sources of information. I don't need a resume from anyone. I had information spewed at me when I was TTC, dealing with IF issues, when I was PG and now that I am a parent. And each and every bit of advice I took with a grain of salt - trusting my heart and my gut rather than the net or people who thought they knew best based on THEIR experiences. My heart and gut won out over everything and everyone else and all others were completely disproven.
We will all do what we feel is best for our kids. I simply cannot and will not subscribe to what I feel in my heart and gut are scare tactics. It may not be what the general population at large does for themselves and their kids. Fine for them. Its not for me. I am well read and educated too.
Its great the way you made your decision, you should always go by what your guts says. I think I was taken a back by your comment because I have done a lot of research, I am considered to be a medical professional and I feel that there really isn't a true answer to what is right and wrong when it comes to vaccinations. I think some physicans are better educated on teh subject than others.
I also don't trust everythign a doctor tells me word for word because I have on more than 1 occasion had to fix the "mistakes" of those doctors that almost cost my patients their lives.
I feel that as a parent to be it is my job to do as much good research as possible on a praticualr subject and make my decision with the backing of a physician I am comfortable with and trust.
We all get info spewed at us left and right. It is our job as parents or future parents to filter what is relevant to us and make the decision that is best for our individual families, and that may not be the same for everyone but thats ok!
I commend you for your thinking and decision making process and for going by what your gut tells you to do even though I may not necessarily agree with your views on this particular issue. But thats ok because what a boring place this world would be if were all thought the same way!
Thank you and I appreciate that. We can agree to disagree.
MY bottom line is this...
I would trust information given to me and my family from my doctors before I would trust ANYTHING written on the internet (this site in particular) even if it were written by the Surgeon General himself. Only a person who treats me or my child personally knows us best and universals are of no use to me.
I am not saying that we all have to accept everything a doctor tells us. It is our right to challenge them and get second opinions on anything. But I DO know that things would be very different for both me and my daughter right now if I DID NOT trust them. Right now, I could not be more grateful for the choices I made WITH my physicians.
I'm glad you feel this way! Sounds like you have great physicians!!!
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Re: Shots in the hospital
The hubs and I met with our daughter's STB pediatrician and I specifically asked about vaccinations and particularly, the Hep B shot. I inquired as to his view on getting the first round of Hep B in the hospital. He told me that since he follows the guidelines of the American Academy of Pediatrics [as I suspect most, if not all pediatricians do] he thinks it's a fine idea to have the shot done in the hospital. His rationale is that if the baby has a reaction to the shot, what better time to deal with it then when the baby is already in the hospital.
Also, the AAP's guidelines for the Hep B shot is that the baby get the first dose in months 1-2. So, I would be prolonging the first dose by a few weeks anyway. Why wait? I think I am missing something... I was told at my childbirth class [by a 15 year veteran nurse] as well as by my daughter's pediatrician that the rumor that there is unsafe ingredients in the hospital's Hep B vaccine is a farce. So why are so many parents afraid to have the shot given?
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Re: Shots in the hospital
Posted by Blissful
ETA: the reason for Hep B being done in the hospital is primarily for the lower income population that may not get adequate healthcare and whos chld may be more predisposed to being infected by Hep B because of the areas they live in etc. they are decisions made and pushed byt hte public health departments
my DH is regularly in contact with this population, which is why we opted to give this shot so early
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Re: Shots in the hospital
Posted by twinkletoes807
Also, the AAP's guidelines for the Hep B shot is that the baby get the first dose in months 1-2. So, I would be prolonging the first dose by a few weeks anyway. Why wait? I think I am missing something...
I think the primary concern for some parents and peds is that the baby's immune system is too naive and is being challenged on too many fronts in the first month of life. think of it, it's the first moments in a non-sterile environment. it has to get used to the normal bacteria, fungi, and viri that we're all accustomed to.... stuff on our skin, on surfaces, in the air, in water... it's total immune overdrive in that first month. to boot, the baby is in a more vulnerable state since his liver is still getting used to functioning on its own, his GI tract is still getting used to digesting milk....
so all of those factors together can make it a less than ideal time for an immune challenge.......
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Blissful
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Re: Shots in the hospital
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Posted by twinkletoes807
Also, the AAP's guidelines for the Hep B shot is that the baby get the first dose in months 1-2. So, I would be prolonging the first dose by a few weeks anyway. Why wait? I think I am missing something...
I think the primary concern for some parents and peds is that the baby's immune system is too naive and is being challenged on too many fronts in the first month of life. think of it, it's the first moments in a non-sterile environment. it has to get used to the normal bacteria, fungi, and viri that we're all accustomed to.... stuff on our skin, on surfaces, in the air, in water... it's total immune overdrive in that first month. to boot, the baby is in a more vulnerable state since his liver is still getting used to functioning on its own, his GI tract is still getting used to digesting milk....
so all of those factors together can make it a less than ideal time for an immune challenge.......
Not just that but if the baby is to have a reaction to the vaccination, say a fever, the normal course of action for any infant under 8 weeks with a fever is extensive blood work and a spinal tap.
THe chances of Hep B contamination for a newborn born to a mother not hep B positive are nearly none.
Methods of Hep B transmission
Possible forms of transmission include (but are not limited to) unprotected sexual contact, blood transfusions, re-use of contaminated needles & syringes, and vertical transmission from mother to child during childbirth
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Re: Shots in the hospital
Posted by wannabemom
Posted by Blissful
The only thing the baby should be receiving in the hospital, pending no other medical complications is a vitamin K shot and erythromycin ointment for the eyes. Boh you Can NOT refuse in the hospital, they are state mandated.
The baby should not be receiving any vaccinations after birth.
they DO frequently give hep B along with the vit. k and the ointment... but you can request they don't do the hep B.
I frankly don't understand why a kid needs that shot in the first 5 min of life... it's not like they were born in the primate facility of the bronx zoo or something!
I did not give G the Hep B and this baby will not get it either. He did get the Vit K and the oitnment in the eyes, but I insisited that he not get the Hep B. Both DH & I tested negative, so I did not see why he needed to get this.
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Re: Shots in the hospital
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Posted by Blissful
ETA: the reason for Hep B being done in the hospital is primarily for the lower income population that may not get adequate healthcare and whos chld may be more predisposed to being infected by Hep B because of the areas they live in etc. they are decisions made and pushed byt hte public health departments
my DH is regularly in contact with this population, which is why we opted to give this shot so early
This exact scenario is why they made it available at birth. Since neither DH nor I are at risk in this manner, we opted not to.
Plus I had the Hep B shot when I was working in a medical office and at age 19 I had a really bad reaction to it. I have bad reactions to most vaccines, which is part of the reason why I am on a conservative schedule with DS.
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Re: Shots in the hospital
Posted by headoverheels
Posted by Blissful
ETA: the reason for Hep B being done in the hospital is primarily for the lower income population that may not get adequate healthcare and whos chld may be more predisposed to being infected by Hep B because of the areas they live in etc. they are decisions made and pushed byt hte public health departments
my DH is regularly in contact with this population, which is why we opted to give this shot so early
Now that makes sense! Our babies will be home for the first weeks of life, not exposed to anyone with hep B and we will NOT be giving the shot in the hospital. We will wait until our ped feels comfortable with it
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Re: Shots in the hospital
Posted by Blissful
Posted by wannabemom
Posted by twinkletoes807
Also, the AAP's guidelines for the Hep B shot is that the baby get the first dose in months 1-2. So, I would be prolonging the first dose by a few weeks anyway. Why wait? I think I am missing something...
I think the primary concern for some parents and peds is that the baby's immune system is too naive and is being challenged on too many fronts in the first month of life. think of it, it's the first moments in a non-sterile environment. it has to get used to the normal bacteria, fungi, and viri that we're all accustomed to.... stuff on our skin, on surfaces, in the air, in water... it's total immune overdrive in that first month. to boot, the baby is in a more vulnerable state since his liver is still getting used to functioning on its own, his GI tract is still getting used to digesting milk....
so all of those factors together can make it a less than ideal time for an immune challenge.......
Not just that but if the baby is to have a reaction to the vaccination, say a fever, the normal course of action for any infant under 8 weeks with a fever is extensive blood work and a spinal tap.
THe chances of Hep B contamination for a newborn born to a mother not hep B positive are nearly none.
Methods of Hep B transmission
Possible forms of transmission include (but are not limited to) unprotected sexual contact, blood transfusions, re-use of contaminated needles & syringes, and vertical transmission from mother to child during childbirth
Just wanted to add it is also found in fecal matter which is where the eating out scare has come from. If your baby is going to be fed from a restaurant then there is a small risk from that via preparers being infected and not washing hands. Chances are this would happen after a year old or so...depending on your feeding choices
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Re: Shots in the hospital
I delivered at St. Charles and was asked if we wanted to Hep B shot. I signed a waver to have the pediatrician do it. The hospital nurse told me that they recommend not giving it to the baby unless there is potential for the parents to be carriers or exposed to Hep B. But, since DH and I are not carriers or exposed to Hep B we decided to wait till the pediatrician gives it to DS. He will get that shot at his 2 month appointment as outlined by the AAP.
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Re: Shots in the hospital
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Posted by Blissful
Methods of Hep B transmission
Possible forms of transmission include (but are not limited to) unprotected sexual contact, blood transfusions, re-use of contaminated needles & syringes, and vertical transmission from mother to child during childbirth
Just wanted to add it is also found in fecal matter which is where the eating out scare has come from. If your baby is going to be fed from a restaurant then there is a small risk from that via preparers being infected and not washing hands. Chances are this would happen after a year old or so...depending on your feeding choices
That's Hepatitis A< not B, so the vaccine would not prevent a food borne form of Hepatitis. Hep B is blood, bodily fluids, sexual or vertical transmission, not fecal oral (which is Hep A).
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