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Re: Did we discuss the Penn State scandal? (includes Grand Jury Report)
Posted by ItsTime2011
We don't know ANYTHING as fact. If you look at the Grand Jury testimony there are discrepancies.
Joe Paterno states"
I was informed in 2002 by an assistant coach that he had witnessed an incident in the shower of our locker-room facility. It was obvious that the witness was distraught over what he saw, but he at no time related to me the very specific actions contained in the grand jury report.
Curley also stated that he was told that the grad student had witnessed inappropriate conduct that made him uncomfortable. When asked if the graduate student mentioned "sexual conduct" of "any kind" Curley anwered "No"
Yes. There are definitely discrepancies b/c everyone is trying to cover their arse now. But the Grand Jury transcript also states that they found that both Curley and Schultz made false statements.
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Re: Did we discuss the Penn State scandal? (includes Grand Jury Report)
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Posted by Linda1003
The point is it appears that his story changed 9 years later. The problem is that 9 years ago, NO one asked him for specifics of what he saw and according to the 3 people he told about the incidents they all got the feeling that it was horseplay (which I agree is wrong anyway given the circumstances), and that anal sex was NEVER mentioned. I do believe that no one wanted to talk about this back then. Everyone wanted to sweep it under the rug, so they didn't ask exactly what was seen. It makes a difference. If I was to say to you "I saw something disturbing and inappropriate" your next question should be "What did you see?" I don't believe that was ever asked. I think that all people involved now wish they would have asked that question. It states right in the Grand Jury testimony that no one ever did.
Wait...how do you know he WASN'T told everything the 28 YEAR OLD MAN saw?? 
We don't know ANYTHING as fact. If you look at the Grand Jury testimony there are discrepancies.
Joe Paterno states"
I was informed in 2002 by an assistant coach that he had witnessed an incident in the shower of our locker-room facility. It was obvious that the witness was distraught over what he saw, but he at no time related to me the very specific actions contained in the grand jury report.
Curley also stated that he was told that the grad student had witnessed inappropriate conduct that made him uncomfortable. When asked if the graduate student mentioned "sexual conduct" of "any kind" Curley anwered "No"
Are you really going to continue to argue this? The man was fired, obviously for them to take that drastic measure, considering his prominence at the University, it a forgone conclusion that he is in the wrong.
I would feel badly if it was my alma mater too but I would not blindly defend them.
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Re: Did we discuss the Penn State scandal? (includes Grand Jury Report)
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I hate that now when I tell people that I went to Penn State THIS is what they will remember. It is sad. After 40+ years of service, this is how his career ends
(AND BEFORE YOU JUMP DOWN MY THROAT - I am not saying that he should not have been fired, what I am saying is that all the good he did is tarnished by what Jerry Sandusky did, and that Joe Pa didn't do more)
I am trying to think about what I would have done in this situation. Have you ever heard about a tragedy that happened to someone you know, and then remembered something you had seen or heard and wished that in hindsight you had done more? It happens all the time in child abuse, and domestic abuse cases. Lots of people don't want to get involved and they should.
Dont mean to jump down your throat but "all the good he did" What did he do!! he coached a football team and looked the other way while a crime against CHILDREN was being committed!!
wrong. he did A LOT more than coach a football team. google him and you'll realize that
Yea...well I can tell you one thing he DIDN'T do.
Who cares that he is being flamed??? ALL those who knew any bit of this disgusitng sitution should ROT in helll.
Shame on all those who are upset because their poor beloved coach got fired and are rioting...oh boo hoo
What about those boys? What happens to them?
This story has me in a rage and I refuse to even have the slightest bit of remorse for anyone who is upset about the outcome.
Like others have posted - sport coaches/athletes need to stop being glorified as "GODS" who can get away with whatever they damnn well please just because they coach a winning team or score a goal.
40 years of service or not - they ALL deserve what is coming to them. 
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Re: Did we discuss the Penn State scandal? (includes Grand Jury Report)
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i didn't say there was anything wrong with what you posted... i said i support the students and grads (in being ANGRY/DISAPPOINTED/DIGUSTED).
and i do see the bigger picture. if the many people who eyewitnessed these acts told the proper authorities - the police - then it would have never came down to whether or not joe paterno did the right moral thing. bottom line is he was only fired and is being flamed so badly bc he's the most recognizable face at the school. THAT'S what makes me angry.
if you want to point fingers and BLAME someone who isn't jerry sandusky, blame the Centre County Police Department detectives who investigated him back in 1998 and deemed it ok that he shower with young boys.  this whole thing could have been prevented if they did their jobs the FIRST TIME IT WAS EVER REPORTED THAT HE WAS DOING INAPPROPRIATE THINGS WITH CHILDREN.
WOW WOW WOW
So whatever he good he did TRUMPS turning a blind eye to not inappropriate things but ******* raping little boys?
This is exactly why these evilfuckingpeople get away with these things for so long
never did i EVER say that. i never even said i don't agree with the fact that he was fired. am i upset that it had to happen? yes, of course i am. do i disagree with the decision? no.
what i DID say, however, is that it's a disgrace that SO MANY PEOPLE knew about him and did NOTHING (INCLUDING THE POLICE, WHO PEOPLE SAY JOEPA SHOULD HAVE GONE TO) to stop it YEARS before joe paterno ever found out about it. yet, they're all fine. their names aren't being dragged through the mud. sandusky's name isn't even being dragged through the mud. it's all joe paterno and what he didn't do.
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Re: Did we discuss the Penn State scandal? (includes Grand Jury Report)
^ What's right is right and what's wrong is wrong.
It shouldn't matter if people find out where you attended college and then associate Penn State w/this scandal. I know you feel a sense of sadness for that, but in the grand scheme of things, that is small potatoes when it comes to what people have endured here, KWIM? I understand having a sense of loyalty to your alma mater, but......
There are people who have suffered, as I am sure there families have as well. This needs to be brought to light and investigated and someone needs to fight for justice.
You can love where you came from, while still fighting for it to be the best it can be and for it to represent the GOOD, and the only way to do that is by weeding out and persecuting the evil.
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Re: Did we discuss the Penn State scandal? (includes Grand Jury Report)
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i didn't say there was anything wrong with what you posted... i said i support the students and grads (in being ANGRY/DISAPPOINTED/DIGUSTED).
and i do see the bigger picture. if the many people who eyewitnessed these acts told the proper authorities - the police - then it would have never came down to whether or not joe paterno did the right moral thing. bottom line is he was only fired and is being flamed so badly bc he's the most recognizable face at the school. THAT'S what makes me angry.
if you want to point fingers and BLAME someone who isn't jerry sandusky, blame the Centre County Police Department detectives who investigated him back in 1998 and deemed it ok that he shower with young boys. this whole thing could have been prevented if they did their jobs the FIRST TIME IT WAS EVER REPORTED THAT HE WAS DOING INAPPROPRIATE THINGS WITH CHILDREN.
WOW WOW WOW
So whatever he good he did TRUMPS turning a blind eye to not inappropriate things but ******* raping little boys?
This is exactly why these evilfuckingpeople get away with these things for so long
never did i EVER say that. i never even said i don't agree with the fact that he was fired. am i upset that it had to happen? yes, of course i am. do i disagree with the decision? no.
what i DID say, however, is that it's a disgrace that SO MANY PEOPLE knew about him and did NOTHING (INCLUDING THE POLICE, WHO PEOPLE SAY JOEPA SHOULD HAVE GONE TO) to stop it YEARS before joe paterno ever found out about it. yet, they're all fine. their names aren't being dragged through the mud. sandusky's name isn't even being dragged through the mud. it's all joe paterno and what he didn't do.
Joe Paterno's name is being dragged to the mud because when you are hero, a legend as he is/was you are held to a higher standard. With the accolades and the glory comes an expectation that you do the right thing. He failed and people are highlighting it bc of his status.
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Re: Did we discuss the Penn State scandal? (includes Grand Jury Report)
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i didn't say there was anything wrong with what you posted... i said i support the students and grads (in being ANGRY/DISAPPOINTED/DIGUSTED).
and i do see the bigger picture. if the many people who eyewitnessed these acts told the proper authorities - the police - then it would have never came down to whether or not joe paterno did the right moral thing. bottom line is he was only fired and is being flamed so badly bc he's the most recognizable face at the school. THAT'S what makes me angry.
if you want to point fingers and BLAME someone who isn't jerry sandusky, blame the Centre County Police Department detectives who investigated him back in 1998 and deemed it ok that he shower with young boys. this whole thing could have been prevented if they did their jobs the FIRST TIME IT WAS EVER REPORTED THAT HE WAS DOING INAPPROPRIATE THINGS WITH CHILDREN.
WOW WOW WOW
So whatever he good he did TRUMPS turning a blind eye to not inappropriate things but ******* raping little boys?
This is exactly why these evilfuckingpeople get away with these things for so long
never did i EVER say that. i never even said i don't agree with the fact that he was fired. am i upset that it had to happen? yes, of course i am. do i disagree with the decision? no.
what i DID say, however, is that it's a disgrace that SO MANY PEOPLE knew about him and did NOTHING (INCLUDING THE POLICE, WHO PEOPLE SAY JOEPA SHOULD HAVE GONE TO) to stop it YEARS before joe paterno ever found out about it. yet, they're all fine. their names aren't being dragged through the mud. sandusky's name isn't even being dragged through the mud. it's all joe paterno and what he didn't do.
Part of the reason he was fired is because he told the media he was going to retire after all this before letting the university know...TO ME, that looks like trying to cover your a$$
I think they ALL should be held accountable and wasting ANY energy defending why one is more evil than the other IS A FU(KING WASTE OF TIME...Who cares if Jo Pa's reputation gets ruined more than the others...they ALL are effing evil.
I don't care how many successful games he coached or how much money he donated
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Re: Did we discuss the Penn State scandal? (includes Grand Jury Report)
Posted by DiamondGirl
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Posted by brownie
Posted by mrsBLT
i didn't say there was anything wrong with what you posted... i said i support the students and grads (in being ANGRY/DISAPPOINTED/DIGUSTED).
and i do see the bigger picture. if the many people who eyewitnessed these acts told the proper authorities - the police - then it would have never came down to whether or not joe paterno did the right moral thing. bottom line is he was only fired and is being flamed so badly bc he's the most recognizable face at the school. THAT'S what makes me angry.
if you want to point fingers and BLAME someone who isn't jerry sandusky, blame the Centre County Police Department detectives who investigated him back in 1998 and deemed it ok that he shower with young boys. this whole thing could have been prevented if they did their jobs the FIRST TIME IT WAS EVER REPORTED THAT HE WAS DOING INAPPROPRIATE THINGS WITH CHILDREN.
WOW WOW WOW
So whatever he good he did TRUMPS turning a blind eye to not inappropriate things but ******* raping little boys?
This is exactly why these evilfuckingpeople get away with these things for so long
never did i EVER say that. i never even said i don't agree with the fact that he was fired. am i upset that it had to happen? yes, of course i am. do i disagree with the decision? no.
what i DID say, however, is that it's a disgrace that SO MANY PEOPLE knew about him and did NOTHING (INCLUDING THE POLICE, WHO PEOPLE SAY JOEPA SHOULD HAVE GONE TO) to stop it YEARS before joe paterno ever found out about it. yet, they're all fine. their names aren't being dragged through the mud. sandusky's name isn't even being dragged through the mud. it's all joe paterno and what he didn't do.
Joe Paterno's name is being dragged to the mud because when you are hero, a legend as he is/was you are held to a higher standard. With the accolades and the glory comes an expectation that you do the right thing. He failed and people are highlighting it bc of his status.
exactly...since people actually looked up to him...his name is the one that sticks out!!!!!
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Re: Did we discuss the Penn State scandal? (includes Grand Jury Report)
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Posted by Linda1003
The point is it appears that his story changed 9 years later. The problem is that 9 years ago, NO one asked him for specifics of what he saw and according to the 3 people he told about the incidents they all got the feeling that it was horseplay (which I agree is wrong anyway given the circumstances), and that anal sex was NEVER mentioned. I do believe that no one wanted to talk about this back then. Everyone wanted to sweep it under the rug, so they didn't ask exactly what was seen. It makes a difference. If I was to say to you "I saw something disturbing and inappropriate" your next question should be "What did you see?" I don't believe that was ever asked. I think that all people involved now wish they would have asked that question. It states right in the Grand Jury testimony that no one ever did.
Wait...how do you know he WASN'T told everything the 28 YEAR OLD MAN saw??
We don't know ANYTHING as fact. If you look at the Grand Jury testimony there are discrepancies.
Joe Paterno states"
I was informed in 2002 by an assistant coach that he had witnessed an incident in the shower of our locker-room facility. It was obvious that the witness was distraught over what he saw, but he at no time related to me the very specific actions contained in the grand jury report.
Curley also stated that he was told that the grad student had witnessed inappropriate conduct that made him uncomfortable. When asked if the graduate student mentioned "sexual conduct" of "any kind" Curley anwered "No"
Are you really going to continue to argue this? The man was fired, obviously for them to take that drastic measure, considering his prominence at the University, it a forgone conclusion that he is in the wrong.
I would feel badly if it was my alma mater too but I would not blindly defend them.
I don't think I am blindly defending anyone. I am just asking questions based on what was in the Grand Jury testimony. I don't care that he was fired. I didn't play football. He wasn't my coach. The fact is I got my education and they got my money. MOVING ON (now that we got THAT settled)
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Re: Did we discuss the Penn State scandal? (includes Grand Jury Report)
Posted by ItsTime2011
Posted by DiamondGirl
Posted by ItsTime2011
Posted by Linda1003
The point is it appears that his story changed 9 years later. The problem is that 9 years ago, NO one asked him for specifics of what he saw and according to the 3 people he told about the incidents they all got the feeling that it was horseplay (which I agree is wrong anyway given the circumstances), and that anal sex was NEVER mentioned. I do believe that no one wanted to talk about this back then. Everyone wanted to sweep it under the rug, so they didn't ask exactly what was seen. It makes a difference. If I was to say to you "I saw something disturbing and inappropriate" your next question should be "What did you see?" I don't believe that was ever asked. I think that all people involved now wish they would have asked that question. It states right in the Grand Jury testimony that no one ever did.
Wait...how do you know he WASN'T told everything the 28 YEAR OLD MAN saw??
We don't know ANYTHING as fact. If you look at the Grand Jury testimony there are discrepancies.
Joe Paterno states"
I was informed in 2002 by an assistant coach that he had witnessed an incident in the shower of our locker-room facility. It was obvious that the witness was distraught over what he saw, but he at no time related to me the very specific actions contained in the grand jury report.
Curley also stated that he was told that the grad student had witnessed inappropriate conduct that made him uncomfortable. When asked if the graduate student mentioned "sexual conduct" of "any kind" Curley anwered "No"
Are you really going to continue to argue this? The man was fired, obviously for them to take that drastic measure, considering his prominence at the University, it a forgone conclusion that he is in the wrong.
I would feel badly if it was my alma mater too but I would not blindly defend them.
I don't think I am blindly defending anyone. I am just asking questions based on what was in the Grand Jury testimony. I don't care that he was fired. I didn't play football. He wasn't my coach. The fact is I got my education and they got my money. MOVING ON (now that we got THAT settled)
was a child abused?? The answer: YES.. NO NEED FOR ANY OTHER QUESTIONS!!
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Re: Did we discuss the Penn State scandal? (includes Grand Jury Report)
Posted by Bella0701
Posted by Linda1003
Posted by ItsTime2011
I hate that now when I tell people that I went to Penn State THIS is what they will remember. It is sad. After 40+ years of service, this is how his career ends
(AND BEFORE YOU JUMP DOWN MY THROAT - I am not saying that he should not have been fired, what I am saying is that all the good he did is tarnished by what Jerry Sandusky did, and that Joe Pa didn't do more)
I am trying to think about what I would have done in this situation. Have you ever heard about a tragedy that happened to someone you know, and then remembered something you had seen or heard and wished that in hindsight you had done more? It happens all the time in child abuse, and domestic abuse cases. Lots of people don't want to get involved and they should.
Dont mean to jump down your throat but "all the good he did" What did he do!! he coached a football team and looked the other way while a crime against CHILDREN was being committed!!
exactly!
Exactly - you're only as good as your weakest moral link. Anything he did as a football coach/legend pales in comparison to the utter failure as a man; human being when he knew of such a abuse and continued to look the other way.
What did he think Sandusky was doing with those little boys in the hotels at away games...over and over again? Do you really think he didn't have an idea of what was happening to those children?
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Re: Did we discuss the Penn State scandal? (includes Grand Jury Report)
There ARE Penn State students rallying for the victim's rights! They ALL are not standing behind the football program
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I just think of how sports takes priority over just about everything...and then you wonder where else this is happening and hasn't been discovered yet 
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Re: Did we discuss the Penn State scandal? (includes Grand Jury Report)
HONESTLY.
I truly cannot believe some of what I am reading and having to process on this thread.
It's just a crying Flucking shame to me when the masses will protect an INSTITUTION over REAL LIFE HUMAN BEINGS. CHILDREN.
What in the holy hell are you thinking???
CHILDREN.
THEIR LIVES ARE EFFECTIVELY RUINED.
Because the job, title, power, prestige, money, legacy and glory these dudes were given were MORE IMPORTANT TO THEM.
I also attended a VERY VERY sports-centric school (St. John's U - back in the GLORY DAYS of 1986-91). If this went down at my alma mater there would not be ONE MOMENT of sympathy for the school's "legacy'. To me, their legacy would be that they PROTECTED CHILD RAPISTS.
The PEOPLE and the SYSTEM conspired to keep this evildoing out of the public eye while MILLIONS OF DOLLARS rolled in to their coffers.
THIS is what you'll protect?? This is what you feel badly about???
I'm disgusted by that.
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Re: Did we discuss the Penn State scandal? (includes Grand Jury Report)
Posted by Stacey1403
Posted by mrsBLT
Posted by Linda1003
Posted by ItsTime2011
I hate that now when I tell people that I went to Penn State THIS is what they will remember. It is sad. After 40+ years of service, this is how his career ends
(AND BEFORE YOU JUMP DOWN MY THROAT - I am not saying that he should not have been fired, what I am saying is that all the good he did is tarnished by what Jerry Sandusky did, and that Joe Pa didn't do more)
I am trying to think about what I would have done in this situation. Have you ever heard about a tragedy that happened to someone you know, and then remembered something you had seen or heard and wished that in hindsight you had done more? It happens all the time in child abuse, and domestic abuse cases. Lots of people don't want to get involved and they should.
Dont mean to jump down your throat but "all the good he did" What did he do!! he coached a football team and looked the other way while a crime against CHILDREN was being committed!!
wrong. he did A LOT more than coach a football team. google him and you'll realize that
Do you have children? (I really do not mean this in a snarky manner)
No snark - I'm not a parent and I want to set Sandusky on fire. I want to beat the people who did nothing to help these poor boys. *I* want to physically harm these pieces of ****. I don't think you have to be a mom to hurt for these poor little boys.
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Re: Did we discuss the Penn State scandal? (includes Grand Jury Report)
Posted by colette
HONESTLY.
I truly cannot believe some of what I am reading and having to process on this thread.
It's just a crying Flucking shame to me when the masses will protect an INSTITUTION over REAL LIFE HUMAN BEINGS. CHILDREN.
What in the holy hell are you thinking???
CHILDREN.
THEIR LIVES ARE EFFECTIVELY RUINED.
Because the job, title, power, prestige, money, legacy and glory these dudes were given were MORE IMPORTANT TO THEM.
I also attended a VERY VERY sports-centric school (St. John's U - back in the GLORY DAYS of 1986-91). If this went down at my alma mater there would not be ONE MOMENT of sympathy for the school's "legacy'. To me, their legacy would be that they PROTECTED CHILD RAPISTS.
The PEOPLE and the SYSTEM conspired to keep this evildoing out of the public eye while MILLIONS OF DOLLARS rolled in to their coffers.
THIS is what you'll protect?? This is what you feel badly about???
I'm disgusted by that.
OMG THANK YOU! THANK YOU! THANK YOU!!!!
There is ABSOLUTELY no two way street on this. No one should be defedning anyone BUT those poor innocent boys...how can any other reasoning/side be debated????? 
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Re: Did we discuss the Penn State scandal? (includes Grand Jury Report)
Posted by rojerono
I would kill this man if he touched my son. Dead. No question, no hesitation. I am disgusted.
Same here. I would be happy going to jail for it.
This makes me sick to my stomach.
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Re: Did we discuss the Penn State scandal? (includes Grand Jury Report)
Posted by JP826
Posted by rojerono
I would kill this man if he touched my son. Dead. No question, no hesitation. I am disgusted.
Same here. I would be happy going to jail for it.
This makes me sick to my stomach.
Same here...so many news stories that involve kids I think, I would definitely lose my $hit and kill that person and go to jail. Street vigilante
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Re: Did we discuss the Penn State scandal? (includes Grand Jury Report)
Posted by BriBri2u
Posted by colette
HONESTLY.
I truly cannot believe some of what I am reading and having to process on this thread.
It's just a crying Flucking shame to me when the masses will protect an INSTITUTION over REAL LIFE HUMAN BEINGS. CHILDREN.
What in the holy hell are you thinking???
CHILDREN.
THEIR LIVES ARE EFFECTIVELY RUINED.
Because the job, title, power, prestige, money, legacy and glory these dudes were given were MORE IMPORTANT TO THEM.
I also attended a VERY VERY sports-centric school (St. John's U - back in the GLORY DAYS of 1986-91). If this went down at my alma mater there would not be ONE MOMENT of sympathy for the school's "legacy'. To me, their legacy would be that they PROTECTED CHILD RAPISTS.
The PEOPLE and the SYSTEM conspired to keep this evildoing out of the public eye while MILLIONS OF DOLLARS rolled in to their coffers.
THIS is what you'll protect?? This is what you feel badly about???
I'm disgusted by that.
OMG THANK YOU! THANK YOU! THANK YOU!!!!
There is ABSOLUTELY no two way street on this. No one should be defedning anyone BUT those poor innocent boys...how can any other reasoning/side be debated?????
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Re: Did we discuss the Penn State scandal? (includes Grand Jury Report)
Posted by BriBri2u
Posted by colette
HONESTLY.
I truly cannot believe some of what I am reading and having to process on this thread.
It's just a crying Flucking shame to me when the masses will protect an INSTITUTION over REAL LIFE HUMAN BEINGS. CHILDREN.
What in the holy hell are you thinking???
CHILDREN.
THEIR LIVES ARE EFFECTIVELY RUINED.
Because the job, title, power, prestige, money, legacy and glory these dudes were given were MORE IMPORTANT TO THEM.
I also attended a VERY VERY sports-centric school (St. John's U - back in the GLORY DAYS of 1986-91). If this went down at my alma mater there would not be ONE MOMENT of sympathy for the school's "legacy'. To me, their legacy would be that they PROTECTED CHILD RAPISTS.
The PEOPLE and the SYSTEM conspired to keep this evildoing out of the public eye while MILLIONS OF DOLLARS rolled in to their coffers.
THIS is what you'll protect?? This is what you feel badly about???
I'm disgusted by that.
OMG THANK YOU! THANK YOU! THANK YOU!!!!
There is ABSOLUTELY no two way street on this. No one should be defedning anyone BUT those poor innocent boys...how can any other reasoning/side be debated?????
I've sat here and read this entire thread.
NOT ONCE have I seen ANYONE defend the men who are being implicated in this AT ALL.
Now, having said that, onto my own thoughts. These comments stood out for me...
Posted by MrsA714
I will admit I'm surprised more people aren't talking about this. How the DA did not file any criminal charges back then and how they can't even question him about it now since he disappeared in 2005.
Posted by mrsBLT
if you want to point fingers and BLAME someone who isn't jerry sandusky, blame the Centre County Police Department detectives who investigated him back in 1998 and deemed it ok that he shower with young boys. this whole thing could have been prevented if they did their jobs the FIRST TIME IT WAS EVER REPORTED THAT HE WAS DOING INAPPROPRIATE THINGS WITH CHILDREN.
This is a big one for me. If this was addressed back when it should have been addressed in 1998, these poor kids could have been spared the next eleven years of abuse. What a SIN, a CRIME that the DA did NOTHING!!
The police were involved in this once and they made a HORRIBLE decision to do NOTHING about the offenses being brought up. If I had to guess why they didn't? I'd venture to say it was based on the fact of who was being looked at and he got a free pass. THAT makes me SICK.
Posted by MrsA714
Reading just bits and pieces of the grand jury transcipt disgusts me. The number of people who actually witnessed some of these acts and didn't do more..I just can't comprehend it. At all. Even Sandusky's wife. You mean to tell me she didn't find it odd that her husband continued to bring these young boys into their home for sleepovers? And didn't notice him sneaking off in the middle of the night to go see them. No way.
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The bottom line is that SO many people turned a blind eye to what was happening. Why they did, IMO, isn't even the issue. It's that they DID and as a result, CHILDREN SUFFERED AT THEIR HANDS.
This whole story is just disgusting.
And to the person who asked if another poster has children...
You don't have to be a parent to want to see these B@STARDS rot in hell. They aren't even human to me -they're subhuman.
I hope they are haunted by their actions, or moreso, lack there of, for the rest of their miserable lives.
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| Posted 11/10/11 1:31 PM |
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shiv
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Re: Did we discuss the Penn State scandal? (includes Grand Jury Report)
Joe PA knew, he had to have. After the 1998 investigations, he told Sandusky that he was not going to be head coach, and Sandusky then retired. Then in 2002 he gets another report of Sandusky molesting a child and he just tells the person to report it to the heads? Really?? That's all? And then when nothing happens to the man you continue to shoot the shiat with him for another 7 years. *** is wrong with these people!
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| Posted 11/10/11 1:31 PM |
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JennZ
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Re: Did we discuss the Penn State scandal? (includes Grand Jury Report)
Posted by colette
HONESTLY.
I truly cannot believe some of what I am reading and having to process on this thread.
It's just a crying Flucking shame to me when the masses will protect an INSTITUTION over REAL LIFE HUMAN BEINGS. CHILDREN.
What in the holy hell are you thinking???
CHILDREN.
THEIR LIVES ARE EFFECTIVELY RUINED.
Because the job, title, power, prestige, money, legacy and glory these dudes were given were MORE IMPORTANT TO THEM.
I also attended a VERY VERY sports-centric school (St. John's U - back in the GLORY DAYS of 1986-91). If this went down at my alma mater there would not be ONE MOMENT of sympathy for the school's "legacy'. To me, their legacy would be that they PROTECTED CHILD RAPISTS.
The PEOPLE and the SYSTEM conspired to keep this evildoing out of the public eye while MILLIONS OF DOLLARS rolled in to their coffers.
THIS is what you'll protect?? This is what you feel badly about???
I'm disgusted by that.
This. Perfectly said. Ita 10000000000%
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| Posted 11/10/11 1:37 PM |
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mrsBLT
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Re: Did we discuss the Penn State scandal? (includes Grand Jury Report)
To all non-state people,
We know you don't understand. Generally, we don't try to explain. Unless you are a Buckeye or Fighting Irish, you probably don't get how an institution embeds itself in a student's life. And that is fine.
But right now, we want you to know this:
We are distraught and truly sickened by this horror perpetrated on young victims by one who represented the Blue and White, and perpetuated by others at the University. We aren't blind followers who drink Blue Kool-Aid. We grieve for and with the victims and their families. We pray for them to find healing and peace and a way to live a good life.
We know that while many people had responsibility, the most visible one almost always goes down first. We are not disputing the need for this to happen.
We are not "defending" anything. We are simply crushed and heartbroken. This is not the Penn State we love, the Penn State that is part of our being.
What you know of Joe Paterno probably comes from television or magazine articles.
We know the man who has lived in the same McKee St house for decades. We have chatted with him as he walked to practice. We have eaten ice cream with him at the Creamery. We have studied in the new library wing his money helped build. We have visited the sports museum and spiritual center he also helped build. We have seen him cheering on other Penn State athletes. We know he loves Penn State as much as we do.
Some of our friends, brothers, husbands, sons have been privileged to put on the Blue and White uniform and listen to 100,000 fans in Beaver Stadium. We know how hard they have worked, how much time they have devoted, how many of them have been part of an excellent scholar/athlete legacy...and how much they love this man and this program.
We aren't stupid or naive. We know Joe Paterno has culpability. We know he could have made different choices - he admitted that. We don't think he is God or always perfect or saintly. But he is the greatest college football coach ever, and he is PSU family, and we don't want his exit to be like this.
WE ARE...not closing our eyes, ignoring reports, pretending this isn't a wretched occurrence.
WE ARE...angry that innocents would be violated under our care.
WE ARE...in support of appropriate punishment for every person involved.
WE ARE...demanding change to a system that would allow this.
WE ARE...not concerned if you do not understand our love and devotion.
WE ARE...PENN STATE proud and we will rise again.
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| Posted 11/10/11 7:21 PM |
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Re: Did we discuss the Penn State scandal? (includes Grand Jury Report)
the above statement (which is found on numerous blogs at the moment) would be worth much more if the opening: "We know you don't understand. Generally, we don't try to explain. Unless you are a Buckeye or Fighting Irish, you probably don't get how an institution embeds itself in a student's life. And that is fine" would be taken out.
Because to me, everything after that just sounds like a whining brat who spent way too much on a college education and is ashamed that his or her prestigious school could be involved in such scandal (not meant for mrsBLT, just in general of whoever created it originally). Just because you attend a name school does not mean it's going to be free and clear of scandals and wrongdoings. And uh...football is great & all and I know it lands people scholarships to attend college, but it isn't the main point of college is it? does anyone ever get a Masters in Football? or a PhD in Soccer? The answer is no, right?
I didn't attend a university that had the oh-so-prestigous Buckeyes or F.I.'s but I think I'm pretty clear on how a college can embed itself in a student's life. 
I get school pride, I really do. But I believe in calling it how I see it....football was much more important than the safety and concern of those victims......
money talks...bullsh!t walks..
Message edited 11/10/2011 7:43:43 PM.
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| Posted 11/10/11 7:40 PM |
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Michi
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Re: Did we discuss the Penn State scandal? (includes Grand Jury Report)
Posted by mrsBLT
To all non-state people,
We know you don't understand. Generally, we don't try to explain. Unless you are a Buckeye or Fighting Irish, you probably don't get how an institution embeds itself in a student's life. And that is fine.
But right now, we want you to know this:
We are distraught and truly sickened by this horror perpetrated on young victims by one who represented the Blue and White, and perpetuated by others at the University. We aren't blind followers who drink Blue Kool-Aid. We grieve for and with the victims and their families. We pray for them to find healing and peace and a way to live a good life.
We know that while many people had responsibility, the most visible one almost always goes down first. We are not disputing the need for this to happen.
We are not "defending" anything. We are simply crushed and heartbroken. This is not the Penn State we love, the Penn State that is part of our being.
What you know of Joe Paterno probably comes from television or magazine articles.
We know the man who has lived in the same McKee St house for decades. We have chatted with him as he walked to practice. We have eaten ice cream with him at the Creamery. We have studied in the new library wing his money helped build. We have visited the sports museum and spiritual center he also helped build. We have seen him cheering on other Penn State athletes. We know he loves Penn State as much as we do.
Some of our friends, brothers, husbands, sons have been privileged to put on the Blue and White uniform and listen to 100,000 fans in Beaver Stadium. We know how hard they have worked, how much time they have devoted, how many of them have been part of an excellent scholar/athlete legacy...and how much they love this man and this program.
We aren't stupid or naive. We know Joe Paterno has culpability. We know he could have made different choices - he admitted that. We don't think he is God or always perfect or saintly. But he is the greatest college football coach ever, and he is PSU family, and we don't want his exit to be like this.
WE ARE...not closing our eyes, ignoring reports, pretending this isn't a wretched occurrence.
WE ARE...angry that innocents would be violated under our care.
WE ARE...in support of appropriate punishment for every person involved.
WE ARE...demanding change to a system that would allow this.
WE ARE...not concerned if you do not understand our love and devotion.
WE ARE...PENN STATE proud and we will rise again.
All I can do is roll my eyes at this. I dont care that it is Penn State and they will rise again. I dont care that he is the greatest coach "ever" I dont care that he had ice cream at a local creamery. I care about innocent children who were hurt. I am shocked that in so many situations, this one included, the VICTIMS are not the focus.
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| Posted 11/10/11 7:45 PM |
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mrsBLT
missing my baby
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Re: Did we discuss the Penn State scandal? (includes Grand Jury Report)
Posted by Michi
Posted by mrsBLT
To all non-state people,
We know you don't understand. Generally, we don't try to explain. Unless you are a Buckeye or Fighting Irish, you probably don't get how an institution embeds itself in a student's life. And that is fine.
But right now, we want you to know this:
We are distraught and truly sickened by this horror perpetrated on young victims by one who represented the Blue and White, and perpetuated by others at the University. We aren't blind followers who drink Blue Kool-Aid. We grieve for and with the victims and their families. We pray for them to find healing and peace and a way to live a good life.
We know that while many people had responsibility, the most visible one almost always goes down first. We are not disputing the need for this to happen.
We are not "defending" anything. We are simply crushed and heartbroken. This is not the Penn State we love, the Penn State that is part of our being.
What you know of Joe Paterno probably comes from television or magazine articles.
We know the man who has lived in the same McKee St house for decades. We have chatted with him as he walked to practice. We have eaten ice cream with him at the Creamery. We have studied in the new library wing his money helped build. We have visited the sports museum and spiritual center he also helped build. We have seen him cheering on other Penn State athletes. We know he loves Penn State as much as we do.
Some of our friends, brothers, husbands, sons have been privileged to put on the Blue and White uniform and listen to 100,000 fans in Beaver Stadium. We know how hard they have worked, how much time they have devoted, how many of them have been part of an excellent scholar/athlete legacy...and how much they love this man and this program.
We aren't stupid or naive. We know Joe Paterno has culpability. We know he could have made different choices - he admitted that. We don't think he is God or always perfect or saintly. But he is the greatest college football coach ever, and he is PSU family, and we don't want his exit to be like this.
WE ARE...not closing our eyes, ignoring reports, pretending this isn't a wretched occurrence.
WE ARE...angry that innocents would be violated under our care.
WE ARE...in support of appropriate punishment for every person involved.
WE ARE...demanding change to a system that would allow this.
WE ARE...not concerned if you do not understand our love and devotion.
WE ARE...PENN STATE proud and we will rise again.
All I can do is roll my eyes at this. I dont care that it is Penn State and they will rise again. I dont care that he is the greatest coach "ever" I dont care that he had ice cream at a local creamery. I care about innocent children who were hurt. I am shocked that in so many situations, this one included, the VICTIMS are not the focus.
roll away 
by the way... what victim have you ever known to want to be the focus of something like this?
the victims are not forgotten - especially not by the thousands of penn state alumni that have already raised over $30,000 in the past two days to go to raising awareness of abuse.
but we're just ignorant penn state alum caring about both our school and the victims
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| Posted 11/10/11 7:52 PM |
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