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Re: Did we discuss the Penn State scandal? (includes Grand Jury Report)
Posted by Linda1003
Posted by ItsTime2011
I hate that now when I tell people that I went to Penn State THIS is what they will remember. It is sad. After 40+ years of service, this is how his career ends
(AND BEFORE YOU JUMP DOWN MY THROAT - I am not saying that he should not have been fired, what I am saying is that all the good he did is tarnished by what Jerry Sandusky did, and that Joe Pa didn't do more)
I am trying to think about what I would have done in this situation. Have you ever heard about a tragedy that happened to someone you know, and then remembered something you had seen or heard and wished that in hindsight you had done more? It happens all the time in child abuse, and domestic abuse cases. Lots of people don't want to get involved and they should.
Dont mean to jump down your throat but "all the good he did" What did he do!! he coached a football team and looked the other way while a crime against CHILDREN was being committed!!
wrong. he did A LOT more than coach a football team. google him and you'll realize that
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Re: Did we discuss the Penn State scandal? (includes Grand Jury Report)
Sandusky is the villian here. The Penn State Atheletic Director (Curely) and the SVP of Finance & Business (Schultz) lied to a grand jury about what they were told & should be jailed for their role in this. As for Paterno, I'm not sure what he truly knew or suspected.
Posted by Tulips915
All everyone at Penn State cares about is football and this "coach."
I think people are forgetting that Penn State is made up of staff, students, alumni - all who would never condone child molestation & rape. All who would have picked up the phone & called the police - or even though they followed proper procedure defined by state law, would have still followed up to make sure it was being handled.
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Re: Did we discuss the Penn State scandal? (includes Grand Jury Report)
Posted by mrsBLT
Posted by Linda1003
Posted by ItsTime2011
I hate that now when I tell people that I went to Penn State THIS is what they will remember. It is sad. After 40+ years of service, this is how his career ends
(AND BEFORE YOU JUMP DOWN MY THROAT - I am not saying that he should not have been fired, what I am saying is that all the good he did is tarnished by what Jerry Sandusky did, and that Joe Pa didn't do more)
I am trying to think about what I would have done in this situation. Have you ever heard about a tragedy that happened to someone you know, and then remembered something you had seen or heard and wished that in hindsight you had done more? It happens all the time in child abuse, and domestic abuse cases. Lots of people don't want to get involved and they should.
Dont mean to jump down your throat but "all the good he did" What did he do!! he coached a football team and looked the other way while a crime against CHILDREN was being committed!!
wrong. he did A LOT more than coach a football team. google him and you'll realize that
Do you have children? (I really do not mean this in a snarky manner)
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Re: Did we discuss the Penn State scandal? (includes Grand Jury Report)
Posted by MrsA714
Posted by ItsTime2011
Also unfortunately because of all this the victims are getting lossed. Even Sandusky is getting lost in this. Everyone is talking about Joe Pa.
AND if we REALLY want to get mad, how about we get mad at the police who back in 1998 investigated Sandusky and then dropped all charges From the timeline as posted on ESPN:
"Jerry Lauro, an investigator with the Pennsylvania Department of Public Welfare, testifies he and Schreffler interviewed Sandusky, and that Sandusky admits showering naked with Victim 6, admits to hugging Victim 6 while in the shower and admits that it was wrong.
The case is closed after then-Centre County District Attorney Ray Gricar decides there will be no criminal charge."
I will admit I'm surprised more people aren't talking about this. How the DA did not file any criminal charges back then and how they can't even question him about it now since he disappeared in 2005.
Something else that bothers me about this. In the grand jury testimony.
-The graduate assistant (McQueary[MQ]) tells the grand jury that in 2002 he saw Sandusky having sex with a boy.
- He calls his father instead of police.
- His father and him decide that he should tell Joe Paterno (not the police)
- He goes the Paterno's house and is "visibly disturbed"
- According to Joe Paterno he tells him that he saw something of a disturbing nature. And eludes to what Paterno believes his "horseplay in the shower"
- Paterno passes the information on to superiors.
- Later there is a meeting that does not involve Paterno but the Penn State Athletic Director and Finance birector where the McQ claims he told what he saw.
- All parties say in the grand jury that McQ was never specific in his accusations and just states that the conduct was inappropriate and they feel, based on what they were told was just "horsing around" and that anal sex was never mentioned.
- 8 years later when the Grand Jury convenes McQ states that he saw anal sex and that he spoke to that in the meetings both with Joe Pa and director.
Facts to consider:
- Did McQueary lie to the grand jury about what he saw or told Paterno?
- Did Paterno lie to the grand jury about what McQueary had told him?
- If neither witness lied, did Paterno intentionally misrepresent what McQueary had told him in order to discourage Curley from aggressively investigating the matter or alerting the police? If so, did Paterno conceal the severity of the evidence or delay the onset of a criminal investigation to such an extent that he obstructed justice?
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Re: Did we discuss the Penn State scandal? (includes Grand Jury Report)
Posted by mrsBLT
Posted by Linda1003
Posted by ItsTime2011
I hate that now when I tell people that I went to Penn State THIS is what they will remember. It is sad. After 40+ years of service, this is how his career ends
(AND BEFORE YOU JUMP DOWN MY THROAT - I am not saying that he should not have been fired, what I am saying is that all the good he did is tarnished by what Jerry Sandusky did, and that Joe Pa didn't do more)
I am trying to think about what I would have done in this situation. Have you ever heard about a tragedy that happened to someone you know, and then remembered something you had seen or heard and wished that in hindsight you had done more? It happens all the time in child abuse, and domestic abuse cases. Lots of people don't want to get involved and they should.
Dont mean to jump down your throat but "all the good he did" What did he do!! he coached a football team and looked the other way while a crime against CHILDREN was being committed!!
wrong. he did A LOT more than coach a football team. google him and you'll realize that
I dont need to google him... NOTHING he did in his life would make up for what he DIDN'T DO!!
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Re: Did we discuss the Penn State scandal? (includes Grand Jury Report)
Posted by mrsBLT
i didn't say there was anything wrong with what you posted... i said i support the students and grads (in being ANGRY/DISAPPOINTED/DIGUSTED).
and i do see the bigger picture. if the many people who eyewitnessed these acts told the proper authorities - the police - then it would have never came down to whether or not joe paterno did the right moral thing. bottom line is he was only fired and is being flamed so badly bc he's the most recognizable face at the school. THAT'S what makes me angry.
if you want to point fingers and BLAME someone who isn't jerry sandusky, blame the Centre County Police Department detectives who investigated him back in 1998 and deemed it ok that he shower with young boys.  this whole thing could have been prevented if they did their jobs the FIRST TIME IT WAS EVER REPORTED THAT HE WAS DOING INAPPROPRIATE THINGS WITH CHILDREN.
here is where you are not seeing the bigger picture.
I would bet my arse that the football legacy and culture AND INFLUENCE is what got these charges washed away the first time.
I did not go to Penn State. I do feel for all of the students and alumni who are inadvertantly mired in this muck. I even understand the need to protect the school's reputation b/c so much of your time and let's face it, your money was invested there.
but, every single person who let the ball drop gets my equal and square anger. Sandusky commited these acts. he RAPED these children. BUT once it was even a buzz in the ear that something was not kosher, they should have ACTED.
I could even feel better if they didn't go to the police but took him OFF the program. stopped allowing hm to use the facility for his mentoring (ie grooming for RAPE) program. he retired how many years ago and still had access????
NO.
they are all completely morally bankrupt. I am sorry that your school is smeared along with it...but hey, I am a catholic and somehow I survived and still love my faith.
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Re: Did we discuss the Penn State scandal? (includes Grand Jury Report)
Posted by mrsBLT
Posted by Linda1003
Posted by ItsTime2011
I hate that now when I tell people that I went to Penn State THIS is what they will remember. It is sad. After 40+ years of service, this is how his career ends
(AND BEFORE YOU JUMP DOWN MY THROAT - I am not saying that he should not have been fired, what I am saying is that all the good he did is tarnished by what Jerry Sandusky did, and that Joe Pa didn't do more)
I am trying to think about what I would have done in this situation. Have you ever heard about a tragedy that happened to someone you know, and then remembered something you had seen or heard and wished that in hindsight you had done more? It happens all the time in child abuse, and domestic abuse cases. Lots of people don't want to get involved and they should.
Dont mean to jump down your throat but "all the good he did" What did he do!! he coached a football team and looked the other way while a crime against CHILDREN was being committed!!
wrong. he did A LOT more than coach a football team. google him and you'll realize that
Yea...well I can tell you one thing he DIDN'T do.
Who cares that he is being flamed??? ALL those who knew any bit of this disgusitng sitution should ROT in helll.
Shame on all those who are upset because their poor beloved coach got fired and are rioting...oh boo hoo
What about those boys? What happens to them?
This story has me in a rage and I refuse to even have the slightest bit of remorse for anyone who is upset about the outcome.
Like others have posted - sport coaches/athletes need to stop being glorified as "GODS" who can get away with whatever they damnn well please just because they coach a winning team or score a goal.
40 years of service or not - they ALL deserve what is coming to them. 
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Re: Did we discuss the Penn State scandal? (includes Grand Jury Report)
Posted by Ophelia
here is where you are not seeing the bigger picture.
I would bet my arse that the football legacy and culture AND INFLUENCE is what got these charges washed away the first time.
I did not go to Penn State. I do feel for all of the students and alumni who are inadvertantly mired in this muck. I even understand the need to protect the school's reputation b/c so much of your time and let's face it, your money was invested there.
but, every single person who let the ball drop gets my equal and square anger. Sandusky commited these acts. he RAPED these children. BUT once it was even a buzz in the ear that something was not kosher, they should have ACTED.
I could even feel better if they didn't go to the police but took him OFF the program. stopped allowing hm to use the facility for his mentoring (ie grooming for RAPE) program. he retired how many years ago and still had access????
NO.
they are all completely morally bankrupt. I am sorry that your school is smeared along with it...but hey, I am a catholic and somehow I survived and still love my faith.
I couldn't agree more!
And yes, Sandusky is the POS of who hurt these children but all those who didn't speak out (not just Paterno but EVERYONE involved) or do more to STOP this also hold some blame as well.
Reading just bits and pieces of the grand jury transcipt disgusts me. The number of people who actually witnessed some of these acts and didn't do more..I just can't comprehend it. At all. Even Sandusky's wife. You mean to tell me she didn't find it odd that her husband continued to bring these young boys into their home for sleepovers? And didn't notice him sneaking off in the middle of the night to go see them. No way.
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Re: Did we discuss the Penn State scandal? (includes Grand Jury Report)
Posted by Stacey1403
Posted by mrsBLT
Posted by Linda1003
Posted by ItsTime2011
I hate that now when I tell people that I went to Penn State THIS is what they will remember. It is sad. After 40+ years of service, this is how his career ends
(AND BEFORE YOU JUMP DOWN MY THROAT - I am not saying that he should not have been fired, what I am saying is that all the good he did is tarnished by what Jerry Sandusky did, and that Joe Pa didn't do more)
I am trying to think about what I would have done in this situation. Have you ever heard about a tragedy that happened to someone you know, and then remembered something you had seen or heard and wished that in hindsight you had done more? It happens all the time in child abuse, and domestic abuse cases. Lots of people don't want to get involved and they should.
Dont mean to jump down your throat but "all the good he did" What did he do!! he coached a football team and looked the other way while a crime against CHILDREN was being committed!!
wrong. he did A LOT more than coach a football team. google him and you'll realize that
Do you have children? (I really do not mean this in a snarky manner)
I have to disagree with you here.
There is no question that having children brings emotion on a visceral level to parents. But you don't have to be a parent to abhor this crime.
I am a parent & I can see that people can be inspired by & live their lives differently because of how Paterno taught. I'm NOT saying that gives him a pass on not telling his grad assistant to call the police OR for his lack of follow up regarding his assistant's meeting with the Athletic Director. His horrible misjudgment affected the lives of every kid that Sandusky groomed & molested afterwards.
FTR, I am a parent & not a Penn State alumni.
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Re: Did we discuss the Penn State scandal? (includes Grand Jury Report)
Posted by Linda1003
Posted by mrsBLT
Posted by Linda1003
Posted by ItsTime2011
I hate that now when I tell people that I went to Penn State THIS is what they will remember. It is sad. After 40+ years of service, this is how his career ends
(AND BEFORE YOU JUMP DOWN MY THROAT - I am not saying that he should not have been fired, what I am saying is that all the good he did is tarnished by what Jerry Sandusky did, and that Joe Pa didn't do more)
I am trying to think about what I would have done in this situation. Have you ever heard about a tragedy that happened to someone you know, and then remembered something you had seen or heard and wished that in hindsight you had done more? It happens all the time in child abuse, and domestic abuse cases. Lots of people don't want to get involved and they should.
Dont mean to jump down your throat but "all the good he did" What did he do!! he coached a football team and looked the other way while a crime against CHILDREN was being committed!!
wrong. he did A LOT more than coach a football team. google him and you'll realize that
I dont need to google him... NOTHING he did in his life would make up for what he DIDN'T DO!!
exactly..this shows you what type of person he is..I don't care what he did that was soo great. Look at what he DID NOT do..that is what counts THE MOST!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THE MOST. END OF STORY.
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Re: Did we discuss the Penn State scandal? (includes Grand Jury Report)
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Posted by ItsTime2011
I hate that now when I tell people that I went to Penn State THIS is what they will remember. It is sad. After 40+ years of service, this is how his career ends
(AND BEFORE YOU JUMP DOWN MY THROAT - I am not saying that he should not have been fired, what I am saying is that all the good he did is tarnished by what Jerry Sandusky did, and that Joe Pa didn't do more)
I am trying to think about what I would have done in this situation. Have you ever heard about a tragedy that happened to someone you know, and then remembered something you had seen or heard and wished that in hindsight you had done more? It happens all the time in child abuse, and domestic abuse cases. Lots of people don't want to get involved and they should.
Doing nothing is as bad s the crime itself.
Have I been in a situation where I knew that young children were being raped, sodomized and chose to not go to the police? no sorry I can't say I have.
What Joe Pa did by doing NOTHING is horrific PERIOD. Who gives a flying fukc about anything else he has done. To me the man is as big a monster as the perp.
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Re: Did we discuss the Penn State scandal? (includes Grand Jury Report)
Posted by Bella0701
exactly..this shows you what type of person he is..I don't care what he did that was soo great. Look at what he DID NOT do..that is what counts THE MOST!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THE MOST. END OF STORY.
THIS EXACTLY!!!
Who cares what he's done in the past, it's all tarnished now.
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Re: Did we discuss the Penn State scandal? (includes Grand Jury Report)
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Posted by ItsTime2011
I hate that now when I tell people that I went to Penn State THIS is what they will remember. It is sad. After 40+ years of service, this is how his career ends
(AND BEFORE YOU JUMP DOWN MY THROAT - I am not saying that he should not have been fired, what I am saying is that all the good he did is tarnished by what Jerry Sandusky did, and that Joe Pa didn't do more)
I am trying to think about what I would have done in this situation. Have you ever heard about a tragedy that happened to someone you know, and then remembered something you had seen or heard and wished that in hindsight you had done more? It happens all the time in child abuse, and domestic abuse cases. Lots of people don't want to get involved and they should.
Doing nothing is as bad s the crime itself.
Have I been in a situation where I knew that young children were being raped, sodomized and chose to not go to the police? no sorry I can't say I have.
What Joe Pa did by doing NOTHING is horrific PERIOD. Who gives a flying fukc about anything else he has done. To me the man is as big a monster as the perp.
I agree doing nothing is a awful. Everyone is to blame.
I am just wondering what EXACTLY he was told. Its very that sad we are hearing about this incident 9 years later.
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Re: Did we discuss the Penn State scandal? (includes Grand Jury Report)
Posted by DiamondGirl
Doing nothing is as bad s the crime itself.
Have I been in a situation where I knew that young children were being raped, sodomized and chose to not go to the police? no sorry I can't say I have.
What Joe Pa did by doing NOTHING is horrific PERIOD. Who gives a flying fukc about anything else he has done. To me the man is as big a monster as the perp.
I agree, if you don't do anything knowing full well what's happening, then you're condoning the despicable crime this man committed.
He got off lucky by just being fired.
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Re: Did we discuss the Penn State scandal? (includes Grand Jury Report)
Posted by nrthshgrl
Posted by Stacey1403
Posted by mrsBLT
Posted by Linda1003
Posted by ItsTime2011
I hate that now when I tell people that I went to Penn State THIS is what they will remember. It is sad. After 40+ years of service, this is how his career ends
(AND BEFORE YOU JUMP DOWN MY THROAT - I am not saying that he should not have been fired, what I am saying is that all the good he did is tarnished by what Jerry Sandusky did, and that Joe Pa didn't do more)
I am trying to think about what I would have done in this situation. Have you ever heard about a tragedy that happened to someone you know, and then remembered something you had seen or heard and wished that in hindsight you had done more? It happens all the time in child abuse, and domestic abuse cases. Lots of people don't want to get involved and they should.
Dont mean to jump down your throat but "all the good he did" What did he do!! he coached a football team and looked the other way while a crime against CHILDREN was being committed!!
wrong. he did A LOT more than coach a football team. google him and you'll realize that
Do you have children? (I really do not mean this in a snarky manner)
I have to disagree with you here.
There is no question that having children brings emotion on a visceral level to parents. But you don't have to be a parent to abhor this crime.
I am a parent & I can see that people can be inspired by & live their lives differently because of how Paterno taught. I'm NOT saying that gives him a pass on not telling his grad assistant to call the police OR for his lack of follow up regarding his assistant's meeting with the Athletic Director. His horrible misjudgment affected the lives of every kid that Sandusky groomed & molested afterwards.
FTR, I am a parent & not a Penn State alumni.
Barb I obv didn't mean you had to be a parent to be upset by this.
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Re: Did we discuss the Penn State scandal? (includes Grand Jury Report)
Posted by PotofLuck06
I only started reading about this story over the last few days.....how did the story get to the press? I'm just curious how it unfolded since based on the facts, the assistant coach has been abusing these young boys for well over 10 years.
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"On November 4, 2011, Pennsylvania Attorney General Linda Kelly indicted Sandusky on 40 counts of sex crimes against young boys, following a three-year investigation into allegations that he had inappropriate contact with a 15-year-old boy over the course of four years, beginning when the boy was ten years old. The boy's parents reported the incident to police in 2009. A Pennsylvania statewide investigating grand jury identified eight boys singled out for sexual advances or sexual assaults by Sandusky from 1994 through 2009. At least 20 of the incidents allegedly took place while Sandusky was still employed by Penn State. The mother of one of the alleged victims said that Sandusky personally admitted to inappropriately touching her son while showering with him on campus in 1998. However, Ray Gricar, Attorney General of Centre County at that time, declined to press charges."
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Just because Joe Paterno contributed tons of money into the school ($4 million, I believe?) including another 13 million for the library (which is sweetly now named after him -- Paterno Library)
does not excuse what he did not do.
There are tons of people in life who have given charitable contributions and then have either been associated to a scandal or committed an evil deed.
I'm sick of everything coming down to money.
All the $ donated can't ever repair the broken lives of those victims, KWIM?
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Re: Did we discuss the Penn State scandal? (includes Grand Jury Report)
Posted by ItsTime2011
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Posted by ItsTime2011
I hate that now when I tell people that I went to Penn State THIS is what they will remember. It is sad. After 40+ years of service, this is how his career ends
(AND BEFORE YOU JUMP DOWN MY THROAT - I am not saying that he should not have been fired, what I am saying is that all the good he did is tarnished by what Jerry Sandusky did, and that Joe Pa didn't do more)
I am trying to think about what I would have done in this situation. Have you ever heard about a tragedy that happened to someone you know, and then remembered something you had seen or heard and wished that in hindsight you had done more? It happens all the time in child abuse, and domestic abuse cases. Lots of people don't want to get involved and they should.
Doing nothing is as bad s the crime itself.
Have I been in a situation where I knew that young children were being raped, sodomized and chose to not go to the police? no sorry I can't say I have.
What Joe Pa did by doing NOTHING is horrific PERIOD. Who gives a flying fukc about anything else he has done. To me the man is as big a monster as the perp.
I agree doing nothing is a awful. Everyone is to blame.
I am just wondering what EXACTLY he was told. Its very that sad we are hearing about this incident 9 years later.
Im trying hard not to be snarky here. but...really WHO CARES that it was 9 years later!! really THAT'S they question you ask now!!! and he was TOLD by the eye witness what he saw!!!! AND I dont care if he was told "hey..i saw him in the shower wiht a ten year old boy but they were blowign bubbles and having fun" YOU STILL REPORT IT!!
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Re: Did we discuss the Penn State scandal? (includes Grand Jury Report)
Posted by Linda1003
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Posted by DiamondGirl
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Posted by ItsTime2011
I hate that now when I tell people that I went to Penn State THIS is what they will remember. It is sad. After 40+ years of service, this is how his career ends
(AND BEFORE YOU JUMP DOWN MY THROAT - I am not saying that he should not have been fired, what I am saying is that all the good he did is tarnished by what Jerry Sandusky did, and that Joe Pa didn't do more)
I am trying to think about what I would have done in this situation. Have you ever heard about a tragedy that happened to someone you know, and then remembered something you had seen or heard and wished that in hindsight you had done more? It happens all the time in child abuse, and domestic abuse cases. Lots of people don't want to get involved and they should.
Doing nothing is as bad s the crime itself.
Have I been in a situation where I knew that young children were being raped, sodomized and chose to not go to the police? no sorry I can't say I have.
What Joe Pa did by doing NOTHING is horrific PERIOD. Who gives a flying fukc about anything else he has done. To me the man is as big a monster as the perp.
I agree doing nothing is a awful. Everyone is to blame.
I am just wondering what EXACTLY he was told. Its very that sad we are hearing about this incident 9 years later.
Im trying hard not to be snarky here. but...really WHO CARES that it was 9 years later!! really THAT'S they question you ask now!!! and he was TOLD by the eye witness what he saw!!!! AND I dont care if he was told "hey..i saw him in the shower wiht a ten year old boy but they were blowign bubbles and having fun" YOU STILL REPORT IT!!
The point is it appears that his story changed 9 years later. The problem is that 9 years ago, NO one asked him for specifics of what he saw and according to the 3 people he told about the incidents they all got the feeling that it was horseplay (which I agree is wrong anyway given the circumstances), and that anal sex was NEVER mentioned. I do believe that no one wanted to talk about this back then. Everyone wanted to sweep it under the rug, so they didn't ask exactly what was seen. It makes a difference. If I was to say to you "I saw something disturbing and inappropriate" your next question should be "What did you see?" I don't believe that was ever asked. I think that all people involved now wish they would have asked that question. It states right in the Grand Jury testimony that no one ever did.
Just a horrible situation.
Let me just add: I believe that grown men showering with boys is unacceptable behavior. I believe that all of his dealings with children were inappropriate. I believe that this man is/was a monstrous predator. But there is a very large gap between "Showering with a boy" and "Anally sodomizing" a boy.
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Re: Did we discuss the Penn State scandal? (includes Grand Jury Report)
I tried to stay away from this story, because every time I read more, I feel like I want to throw up. It's stories like this that make me pray my DS never wants to play football. I don't care how many people love football and will defend it to the death, I don't like the environment it creates and the scandals it covers up. I worked in an all boys school for a time. Football was the worst offender of perpetuating a mysogenistic culture and putting undeserving men on a pedestal.
I think they are all full of shite. I think they all knew and turned a blind eye. I think the grad student was afraid to take responsibility for reporting because his career would go down the tubes. Every single one of them that knew should be fired and it looks like Penn State is doing that. Good for them. THAT is what I will remember about Penn State.
It would also be interesting to know how many of these people who are rioting were outraged by what went on in the Catholic church. The similarities are stunning to me. The handling it "internally", not reporting to law enforcement, protecting a man who preys on children, etc.
One of the saddest things I feel after reading the grand jury findings is that the identities of the 2 young men who suffered the worst abuse are unknown. I hope they got help for dealing with what they suffered through
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Linda1003
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Re: Did we discuss the Penn State scandal? (includes Grand Jury Report)
The point is it appears that his story changed 9 years later. The problem is that 9 years ago, NO one asked him for specifics of what he saw and according to the 3 people he told about the incidents they all got the feeling that it was horseplay (which I agree is wrong anyway given the circumstances), and that anal sex was NEVER mentioned. I do believe that no one wanted to talk about this back then. Everyone wanted to sweep it under the rug, so they didn't ask exactly what was seen. It makes a difference. If I was to say to you "I saw something disturbing and inappropriate" your next question should be "What did you see?" I don't believe that was ever asked. I think that all people involved now wish they would have asked that question. It states right in the Grand Jury testimony that no one ever did.
Wait...how do you know he WASN'T told everything the 28 YEAR OLD MAN saw?? 
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DiamondGirl
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Re: Did we discuss the Penn State scandal? (includes Grand Jury Report)
Wonder if all the UPenn alumni would be singing the same defensive tune if it was Notre Dame's coach? 
Reality is Joe Pa knew that his assistant coach was molesting kids. He told the athletic director to cover his asss. The library is named after him for godssake and he tells the AD? come on! The AD isn't his boss. If he gave a **** he would have went to the authorities. If there was any question as to exactly what happened, as itstime2011 says, he would have had the POLICE do their job and investigate.
Bottom line the reputation of his football team was a higher priority then the safety and well being of 10 year old boys. It is disgusting and shameful.
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ItsTime2011
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Re: Did we discuss the Penn State scandal? (includes Grand Jury Report)
Posted by Linda1003
The point is it appears that his story changed 9 years later. The problem is that 9 years ago, NO one asked him for specifics of what he saw and according to the 3 people he told about the incidents they all got the feeling that it was horseplay (which I agree is wrong anyway given the circumstances), and that anal sex was NEVER mentioned. I do believe that no one wanted to talk about this back then. Everyone wanted to sweep it under the rug, so they didn't ask exactly what was seen. It makes a difference. If I was to say to you "I saw something disturbing and inappropriate" your next question should be "What did you see?" I don't believe that was ever asked. I think that all people involved now wish they would have asked that question. It states right in the Grand Jury testimony that no one ever did.
Wait...how do you know he WASN'T told everything the 28 YEAR OLD MAN saw??
We don't know ANYTHING as fact. If you look at the Grand Jury testimony there are discrepancies.
Joe Paterno states"
I was informed in 2002 by an assistant coach that he had witnessed an incident in the shower of our locker-room facility. It was obvious that the witness was distraught over what he saw, but he at no time related to me the very specific actions contained in the grand jury report.
Curley also stated that he was told that the grad student had witnessed inappropriate conduct that made him uncomfortable. When asked if the graduate student mentioned "sexual conduct" of "any kind" Curley anwered "No"
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Re: Did we discuss the Penn State scandal? (includes Grand Jury Report)
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i didn't say there was anything wrong with what you posted... i said i support the students and grads (in being ANGRY/DISAPPOINTED/DIGUSTED).
and i do see the bigger picture. if the many people who eyewitnessed these acts told the proper authorities - the police - then it would have never came down to whether or not joe paterno did the right moral thing. bottom line is he was only fired and is being flamed so badly bc he's the most recognizable face at the school. THAT'S what makes me angry.
if you want to point fingers and BLAME someone who isn't jerry sandusky, blame the Centre County Police Department detectives who investigated him back in 1998 and deemed it ok that he shower with young boys. this whole thing could have been prevented if they did their jobs the FIRST TIME IT WAS EVER REPORTED THAT HE WAS DOING INAPPROPRIATE THINGS WITH CHILDREN.
WOW WOW WOW
So whatever he good he did TRUMPS turning a blind eye to not inappropriate things but ******* raping little boys?
This is exactly why these evilfuckingpeople get away with these things for so long
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ItsTime2011
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double post
Sorry double post
Message edited 11/10/2011 10:55:31 AM.
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