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windyweather21
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Re: Work question

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Posted by ali120206

Posted by klingklang77

If it isn’t affecting you and putting more work on you, then I would not really be annoyed. You don’t know what her situation is.



I do - she says she cant afford childcare. I guess the point is its frustrating that I have to set up childcare to go to work some days - sometimes at a cost I would rather allocate to something else. Maybe because I am a little older than her and have a different work ethic - I just dont feel that unaffordable childcare should be an excuse for a job you started full time in the office.



Well, maybe there is some reason she can’t afford childcare.

I get it. I completely get why you would be annoyed. I think I am just a bit more understanding because I was granted time off work this week due to a special situation. So maybe there is something else going on behind the scenes that you don’t know about.

A lot of people are also realizing that the way the work situation is set up is like slave labor nowadays. Prices are going up, but wages are not. While I understand your work ethic, I don’t think that is accepted by many people now. We are all disposable and loyalty to a job doesn’t exist anymore.




Then she really needs to find another job, maybe one that is fully remote.

No disrespect but that is not the job or the coworkers problem as if they were told they need to be in the office so many times a week, that is what is required.

It is not fair to others who would probably love to work from home and have other issues in life too but have a job that requires to be in the office.

The problem is that people think they can call the shots and if you work for someone else, you can not for the most part.

We are required to be in the office 3 days a week. We can come in 5 if we would like but we can not work from home those 3 days. I find it a nice balance and I get the parent/child situation as I did it for many many years. I didn't get the opportunity to work from home though or have a flexible schedule. I did what I had to, stayed at a job that had many pro's and paid the bills.

While it is nice that companies are allowing more flexibility for people since covid, they still need to run a business and if you can't work with their schedule while everyone else can, then you should really look elsewhere.



That is the manager’s choice to keep the colleague on. The employee is doing her job some way or another while working from home. If OP has an issue with it, then she can talk to her manager.

You don’t have to stay at a job if you don’t want to. The colleague has something worked out with the manager, and if OP is unhappy, then she should have her own discussion with her manager.

A martyr complex doesn’t get far these days.



Agreed that the poster here should have a talk with the manager if she really feels like it is affecting her work and if it is a possibility that she and other coworkers can do the same.

I still do think that if you agree to a job, you need to abide by the rules or you need to find something that suits your lifestyle better.

Just as I mentioned before, I had a coworker who would call in at least 1-2 days of the 3 days we were required to be in the office. She would say her daughter was sick, or she was sick or she had no child care. Our job is not a remote job and she knew that when taking the job. She knew 3 days out of the week she needed to be in the office. Why was it fair for her to take off (even if she wasn't getting paid) and dump all the work on others?

Why would it be fair to make an exception for her and not other workers because she has kids and can't find (affordable) childcare? It goes more beyond the being able to get her work done. If the job requires you to be in the office, for whatever their reasoning is, then that is what you have to plan your life around.




Well, I think WFH is perfectly reasonable and employers are simply making people come in for selfish reasons (real estate costs, managers wanting to micromanage, etc.).

People should be questioning why some jobs even require working in an office. I find the anti-work movement particularly interesting and I am glad it is happening. Since I have been reading about it, it has really opened my eyes.

I don’t think it does OP any good to be annoyed at her co-worker. She should redirect that to her employer, IMO.




Honestly I get why my company wants us to come in and it is nice to get out and see coworkers. It is easier to ask and answer questions and the overall feeling of being a team with your dept and other depts is easier when you are there in person. I NEVER feel micromanaged, EVER, at this job.

I like working from home 2 days a week but I don't have a real office and tons of interruptions as I work in our main living area. I like the break of getting away, getting fully dressed and having lunch with coworkers and doing things together.

I agree it has to start first with the employer to see WHY she is allowed but no one else is.

Posted 10/3/22 4:03 PM
 
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windyweather21
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Re: Work question

Posted by NervousNell

I think another question that should be raised is- if you are "working" from home because you can't afford childcare costs- how are you working while watching your kids?

Older kids, sure maybe... younger ones- babies and toddlers - no way.

Many jobs would require you to prove you have full time child care before you can work from home.
I don't' give a crap if you work from home as long as you are WORKING. Having to watch a young child all day is not conducive to work. Trust me, I've been there.
And I didn't relish paying a mortgage payment each month for daycare either- but having kids come with costs and sacrifices.





Agreed and I have "adult" children and STILL get interrupted and they still don't get that I am working as if they see me sit for a period of time when I have nothing to do, they think I do nothing and they can ask me for this or that.

Posted 10/3/22 4:04 PM
 

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Re: Work question

Posted by windyweather21

Posted by klingklang77

Posted by windyweather21

Posted by klingklang77

Posted by windyweather21

Posted by klingklang77

Posted by ali120206

Posted by klingklang77

If it isn’t affecting you and putting more work on you, then I would not really be annoyed. You don’t know what her situation is.



I do - she says she cant afford childcare. I guess the point is its frustrating that I have to set up childcare to go to work some days - sometimes at a cost I would rather allocate to something else. Maybe because I am a little older than her and have a different work ethic - I just dont feel that unaffordable childcare should be an excuse for a job you started full time in the office.



Well, maybe there is some reason she can’t afford childcare.

I get it. I completely get why you would be annoyed. I think I am just a bit more understanding because I was granted time off work this week due to a special situation. So maybe there is something else going on behind the scenes that you don’t know about.

A lot of people are also realizing that the way the work situation is set up is like slave labor nowadays. Prices are going up, but wages are not. While I understand your work ethic, I don’t think that is accepted by many people now. We are all disposable and loyalty to a job doesn’t exist anymore.




Then she really needs to find another job, maybe one that is fully remote.

No disrespect but that is not the job or the coworkers problem as if they were told they need to be in the office so many times a week, that is what is required.

It is not fair to others who would probably love to work from home and have other issues in life too but have a job that requires to be in the office.

The problem is that people think they can call the shots and if you work for someone else, you can not for the most part.

We are required to be in the office 3 days a week. We can come in 5 if we would like but we can not work from home those 3 days. I find it a nice balance and I get the parent/child situation as I did it for many many years. I didn't get the opportunity to work from home though or have a flexible schedule. I did what I had to, stayed at a job that had many pro's and paid the bills.

While it is nice that companies are allowing more flexibility for people since covid, they still need to run a business and if you can't work with their schedule while everyone else can, then you should really look elsewhere.



That is the manager’s choice to keep the colleague on. The employee is doing her job some way or another while working from home. If OP has an issue with it, then she can talk to her manager.

You don’t have to stay at a job if you don’t want to. The colleague has something worked out with the manager, and if OP is unhappy, then she should have her own discussion with her manager.

A martyr complex doesn’t get far these days.



Agreed that the poster here should have a talk with the manager if she really feels like it is affecting her work and if it is a possibility that she and other coworkers can do the same.

I still do think that if you agree to a job, you need to abide by the rules or you need to find something that suits your lifestyle better.

Just as I mentioned before, I had a coworker who would call in at least 1-2 days of the 3 days we were required to be in the office. She would say her daughter was sick, or she was sick or she had no child care. Our job is not a remote job and she knew that when taking the job. She knew 3 days out of the week she needed to be in the office. Why was it fair for her to take off (even if she wasn't getting paid) and dump all the work on others?

Why would it be fair to make an exception for her and not other workers because she has kids and can't find (affordable) childcare? It goes more beyond the being able to get her work done. If the job requires you to be in the office, for whatever their reasoning is, then that is what you have to plan your life around.




Well, I think WFH is perfectly reasonable and employers are simply making people come in for selfish reasons (real estate costs, managers wanting to micromanage, etc.).

People should be questioning why some jobs even require working in an office. I find the anti-work movement particularly interesting and I am glad it is happening. Since I have been reading about it, it has really opened my eyes.

I don’t think it does OP any good to be annoyed at her co-worker. She should redirect that to her employer, IMO.




Honestly I get why my company wants us to come in and it is nice to get out and see coworkers. It is easier to ask and answer questions and the overall feeling of being a team with your dept and other depts is easier when you are there in person. I NEVER feel micromanaged, EVER, at this job.

I like working from home 2 days a week but I don't have a real office and tons of interruptions as I work in our main living area. I like the break of getting away, getting fully dressed and having lunch with coworkers and doing things together.

I agree it has to start first with the employer to see WHY she is allowed but no one else is.



Some of the groups in our company need to collaborate more so it makes sense why they need to go in, we are more back office and work independently but the policy is office wide.

ETA - Some teams actually did better from home lol. They socialize too much and work too little in person.

Message edited 10/3/2022 4:16:22 PM.

Posted 10/3/22 4:13 PM
 

NervousNell
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Re: Work question

Posted by ali120206

Posted by windyweather21

Posted by klingklang77

Posted by windyweather21

Posted by klingklang77

Posted by windyweather21

Posted by klingklang77

Posted by ali120206

Posted by klingklang77

If it isn’t affecting you and putting more work on you, then I would not really be annoyed. You don’t know what her situation is.



I do - she says she cant afford childcare. I guess the point is its frustrating that I have to set up childcare to go to work some days - sometimes at a cost I would rather allocate to something else. Maybe because I am a little older than her and have a different work ethic - I just dont feel that unaffordable childcare should be an excuse for a job you started full time in the office.



Well, maybe there is some reason she can’t afford childcare.

I get it. I completely get why you would be annoyed. I think I am just a bit more understanding because I was granted time off work this week due to a special situation. So maybe there is something else going on behind the scenes that you don’t know about.

A lot of people are also realizing that the way the work situation is set up is like slave labor nowadays. Prices are going up, but wages are not. While I understand your work ethic, I don’t think that is accepted by many people now. We are all disposable and loyalty to a job doesn’t exist anymore.




Then she really needs to find another job, maybe one that is fully remote.

No disrespect but that is not the job or the coworkers problem as if they were told they need to be in the office so many times a week, that is what is required.

It is not fair to others who would probably love to work from home and have other issues in life too but have a job that requires to be in the office.

The problem is that people think they can call the shots and if you work for someone else, you can not for the most part.

We are required to be in the office 3 days a week. We can come in 5 if we would like but we can not work from home those 3 days. I find it a nice balance and I get the parent/child situation as I did it for many many years. I didn't get the opportunity to work from home though or have a flexible schedule. I did what I had to, stayed at a job that had many pro's and paid the bills.

While it is nice that companies are allowing more flexibility for people since covid, they still need to run a business and if you can't work with their schedule while everyone else can, then you should really look elsewhere.



That is the manager’s choice to keep the colleague on. The employee is doing her job some way or another while working from home. If OP has an issue with it, then she can talk to her manager.

You don’t have to stay at a job if you don’t want to. The colleague has something worked out with the manager, and if OP is unhappy, then she should have her own discussion with her manager.

A martyr complex doesn’t get far these days.



Agreed that the poster here should have a talk with the manager if she really feels like it is affecting her work and if it is a possibility that she and other coworkers can do the same.

I still do think that if you agree to a job, you need to abide by the rules or you need to find something that suits your lifestyle better.

Just as I mentioned before, I had a coworker who would call in at least 1-2 days of the 3 days we were required to be in the office. She would say her daughter was sick, or she was sick or she had no child care. Our job is not a remote job and she knew that when taking the job. She knew 3 days out of the week she needed to be in the office. Why was it fair for her to take off (even if she wasn't getting paid) and dump all the work on others?

Why would it be fair to make an exception for her and not other workers because she has kids and can't find (affordable) childcare? It goes more beyond the being able to get her work done. If the job requires you to be in the office, for whatever their reasoning is, then that is what you have to plan your life around.




Well, I think WFH is perfectly reasonable and employers are simply making people come in for selfish reasons (real estate costs, managers wanting to micromanage, etc.).

People should be questioning why some jobs even require working in an office. I find the anti-work movement particularly interesting and I am glad it is happening. Since I have been reading about it, it has really opened my eyes.

I don’t think it does OP any good to be annoyed at her co-worker. She should redirect that to her employer, IMO.




Honestly I get why my company wants us to come in and it is nice to get out and see coworkers. It is easier to ask and answer questions and the overall feeling of being a team with your dept and other depts is easier when you are there in person. I NEVER feel micromanaged, EVER, at this job.

I like working from home 2 days a week but I don't have a real office and tons of interruptions as I work in our main living area. I like the break of getting away, getting fully dressed and having lunch with coworkers and doing things together.

I agree it has to start first with the employer to see WHY she is allowed but no one else is.



Some of the groups in our company need to collaborate more so it makes sense why they need to go in, we are more back office and work independently but the policy is office wide.



It's actually cheaper for employers to keep evryone remote. We got rid of a ton of office leases during Covid. The company is saving a ton of money while I suffer working from home. lol
So I don't see making people come in as any kind of selfish costs savings. Maybe for those that want to micromanage- but real estate costs are way lower when you force people to stay home

Message edited 10/3/2022 4:18:04 PM.

Posted 10/3/22 4:16 PM
 

windyweather21
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Re: Work question

Posted by NervousNell

Posted by ali120206

Posted by windyweather21

Posted by klingklang77

Posted by windyweather21

Posted by klingklang77

Posted by windyweather21

Posted by klingklang77

Posted by ali120206

Posted by klingklang77

If it isn’t affecting you and putting more work on you, then I would not really be annoyed. You don’t know what her situation is.



I do - she says she cant afford childcare. I guess the point is its frustrating that I have to set up childcare to go to work some days - sometimes at a cost I would rather allocate to something else. Maybe because I am a little older than her and have a different work ethic - I just dont feel that unaffordable childcare should be an excuse for a job you started full time in the office.



Well, maybe there is some reason she can’t afford childcare.

I get it. I completely get why you would be annoyed. I think I am just a bit more understanding because I was granted time off work this week due to a special situation. So maybe there is something else going on behind the scenes that you don’t know about.

A lot of people are also realizing that the way the work situation is set up is like slave labor nowadays. Prices are going up, but wages are not. While I understand your work ethic, I don’t think that is accepted by many people now. We are all disposable and loyalty to a job doesn’t exist anymore.




Then she really needs to find another job, maybe one that is fully remote.

No disrespect but that is not the job or the coworkers problem as if they were told they need to be in the office so many times a week, that is what is required.

It is not fair to others who would probably love to work from home and have other issues in life too but have a job that requires to be in the office.

The problem is that people think they can call the shots and if you work for someone else, you can not for the most part.

We are required to be in the office 3 days a week. We can come in 5 if we would like but we can not work from home those 3 days. I find it a nice balance and I get the parent/child situation as I did it for many many years. I didn't get the opportunity to work from home though or have a flexible schedule. I did what I had to, stayed at a job that had many pro's and paid the bills.

While it is nice that companies are allowing more flexibility for people since covid, they still need to run a business and if you can't work with their schedule while everyone else can, then you should really look elsewhere.



That is the manager’s choice to keep the colleague on. The employee is doing her job some way or another while working from home. If OP has an issue with it, then she can talk to her manager.

You don’t have to stay at a job if you don’t want to. The colleague has something worked out with the manager, and if OP is unhappy, then she should have her own discussion with her manager.

A martyr complex doesn’t get far these days.



Agreed that the poster here should have a talk with the manager if she really feels like it is affecting her work and if it is a possibility that she and other coworkers can do the same.

I still do think that if you agree to a job, you need to abide by the rules or you need to find something that suits your lifestyle better.

Just as I mentioned before, I had a coworker who would call in at least 1-2 days of the 3 days we were required to be in the office. She would say her daughter was sick, or she was sick or she had no child care. Our job is not a remote job and she knew that when taking the job. She knew 3 days out of the week she needed to be in the office. Why was it fair for her to take off (even if she wasn't getting paid) and dump all the work on others?

Why would it be fair to make an exception for her and not other workers because she has kids and can't find (affordable) childcare? It goes more beyond the being able to get her work done. If the job requires you to be in the office, for whatever their reasoning is, then that is what you have to plan your life around.




Well, I think WFH is perfectly reasonable and employers are simply making people come in for selfish reasons (real estate costs, managers wanting to micromanage, etc.).

People should be questioning why some jobs even require working in an office. I find the anti-work movement particularly interesting and I am glad it is happening. Since I have been reading about it, it has really opened my eyes.

I don’t think it does OP any good to be annoyed at her co-worker. She should redirect that to her employer, IMO.




Honestly I get why my company wants us to come in and it is nice to get out and see coworkers. It is easier to ask and answer questions and the overall feeling of being a team with your dept and other depts is easier when you are there in person. I NEVER feel micromanaged, EVER, at this job.

I like working from home 2 days a week but I don't have a real office and tons of interruptions as I work in our main living area. I like the break of getting away, getting fully dressed and having lunch with coworkers and doing things together.

I agree it has to start first with the employer to see WHY she is allowed but no one else is.



Some of the groups in our company need to collaborate more so it makes sense why they need to go in, we are more back office and work independently but the policy is office wide.



It's actually cheaper for employers to keep evryone remote. We got rid of a ton of office leases during Covid. The company is saving a ton of money while I suffer working from home. lol
So I don't see making people come in any kind of costs savings. Maybe for those that want to micromanage- but real estate costs are way lower when you force people to stay home



I see benefits from both sides and that I why I like the hybrid work schedule. I like that they give employees the choice too as while none of us in my dept come in the other days, there are many who I have spoken to that, just like yourself, are stuck working in a bedroom or alone and like getting out and socializing or just having more space to work.
There is so much more than work in the office also has there are many events and parties and such and it is nice to celebrate that too. Hard to do over zoom and for the most part, no one turns on their camera's for zoom as we all get lazy at home.

Posted 10/3/22 4:20 PM
 

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Re: Work question

Frankly employees are scared to lose semi-productive people. It costs money to hire people.

They probably know this person is a slacker but they probably figure it’s not worth fighting them over it.

If it bothers you so much then you need to speak up and say you want equal treatment. They may come back and say that person has some special arrangement and will try deflect. But hold your ground and say you can be just ad productive from home. Just be ready to look for a new job if you don’t like their answer.

Posted 10/3/22 5:31 PM
 

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Re: Work question

DH’s company has saved so much in having people work remote. Just in paper alone. The amount of paper they used to print on a daily basis was insane (they are a very report driven company)! Needless to say since Covid, they have now realized all that printing is unnecessary.

He just started going back! He is in 2 days a week which they think will eventually just be 1 day per week. When they went back to the office, they had a mass amount of people quit (some had moved during Covid, others said I am simply not going in, and others found fully remote positions). He definitely works more when he is remote, just for the simple aspect of the commute time he doesn’t have.

I am back full time (and have been). We have always had to figure out childcare (except during Covid when schools were closed and we lost our mind) even when working remotely.

Posted 10/3/22 7:59 PM
 

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Re: Work question

I feel like Covid has definitely affected the way people work now. I also think employers are letting employees get away with a lot more because they want to keep good workers happy.

I know exactly what you are saying. My co-worker had a baby and she has been staying home with her this whole time. My boss wants us in the office but said we can work from home when we need to. I definitely take advantage of that on days like this coming Wednesday when it's easier for me to just be home. I feel like she REALLY takes advantage and I am just worried that the privilege is going to be taken away because of that abuse. I already saw some mistakes with some of her work so she's definitely dropping the ball a little bit.

Posted 10/3/22 8:46 PM
 

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Re: Work question

Posted by FirstMate

I feel like Covid has definitely affected the way people work now. I also think employers are letting employees get away with a lot more because they want to keep good workers happy.

I know exactly what you are saying. My co-worker had a baby and she has been staying home with her this whole time. My boss wants us in the office but said we can work from home when we need to. I definitely take advantage of that on days like this coming Wednesday when it's easier for me to just be home. I feel like she REALLY takes advantage and I am just worried that the privilege is going to be taken away because of that abuse. I already saw some mistakes with some of her work so she's definitely dropping the ball a little bit.



I can’t imagine working from home with a baby!!!

Posted 10/3/22 9:09 PM
 

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Re: Work question

Posted by ali120206

Posted by FirstMate

I feel like Covid has definitely affected the way people work now. I also think employers are letting employees get away with a lot more because they want to keep good workers happy.

I know exactly what you are saying. My co-worker had a baby and she has been staying home with her this whole time. My boss wants us in the office but said we can work from home when we need to. I definitely take advantage of that on days like this coming Wednesday when it's easier for me to just be home. I feel like she REALLY takes advantage and I am just worried that the privilege is going to be taken away because of that abuse. I already saw some mistakes with some of her work so she's definitely dropping the ball a little bit.



I can’t imagine working from home with a baby!!!



When DD was an infant we were naive and innocent and thought we could save on daycare costs by keeping her home on the day I worked from home and on DH's weekday he was off.
I was lied to and told that infants sleep a lot.
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Yeah. Right. Not mine.
That lasted exactly one day.
When I had to get on a very important call with a very important client and DD was screaming bloody murder...as she did 20 hours of the day at that age...and I had to leave her in her rock n play as I cowered outside in the rain, watching her scream from the other side of the patio door, and take the call so they wouldn't hear her.
After that I called my sister and asked her to come take her until DH got home and my next call was to daycare to add another day .
There is no way you can give 100% to your job with a baby in the house. And while I know screwing employers over is all the rage right now, it really isn't fair to co workers who planbed responsibily for having children

Message edited 10/3/2022 10:30:21 PM.

Posted 10/3/22 10:29 PM
 

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Work question

Similar situation occurred in my office too. We all had to return to the office, one employee did not because she had recently had a baby and she was fearful of covid. She worked remotely. Let me tell, the rest of us all talked about how it wasn’t fair and we weren’t happy. We all felt a little resentful towards her too, especially when we had meetings and had to zoom her in on Teams while the rest of us were sitting in a conference room. The supervisors ultimately gave her a date that she had to return and she did. Fast forward to a year later and she quit to spend more time with her baby.

Posted 10/4/22 6:42 AM
 

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Re: Work question

Posted by NervousNell

Posted by ali120206

Posted by FirstMate

I feel like Covid has definitely affected the way people work now. I also think employers are letting employees get away with a lot more because they want to keep good workers happy.

I know exactly what you are saying. My co-worker had a baby and she has been staying home with her this whole time. My boss wants us in the office but said we can work from home when we need to. I definitely take advantage of that on days like this coming Wednesday when it's easier for me to just be home. I feel like she REALLY takes advantage and I am just worried that the privilege is going to be taken away because of that abuse. I already saw some mistakes with some of her work so she's definitely dropping the ball a little bit.



I can’t imagine working from home with a baby!!!



When DD was an infant we were naive and innocent and thought we could save on daycare costs by keeping her home on the day I worked from home and on DH's weekday he was off.
I was lied to and told that infants sleep a lot.
Chat Icon Chat Icon Chat Icon Chat Icon
Yeah. Right. Not mine.
That lasted exactly one day.
When I had to get on a very important call with a very important client and DD was screaming bloody murder...as she did 20 hours of the day at that age...and I had to leave her in her rock n play as I cowered outside in the rain, watching her scream from the other side of the patio door, and take the call so they wouldn't hear her.
After that I called my sister and asked her to come take her until DH got home and my next call was to daycare to add another day .
There is no way you can give 100% to your job with a baby in the house. And while I know screwing employers over is all the rage right now, it really isn't fair to co workers who planbed responsibily for having children




THIS:

it really isn't fair to co workers who planbed responsibily for having children

While I get things happen in life, we waited 5 years and saved for my maternity leave 1 year before even getting pregnant so I could stay home the entire 3 months and made sure we were able to pay daycare and aftercare. We waited 5 years in between kids so there was no issue. I never ONCE had an issue with childcare as I was also at my job long enough to get time off when the kids were off (ALL my vacation/sick/personal days were for the kids).
I have kids and don't think it is right to want to work from home when no one else can let alone people who never had/have kids and don't get that opportunity also.

Posted 10/4/22 8:14 AM
 

MrsDrMatt
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Re: Work question

I guess you have to ask yourself what do you hope to accomplish? Do you want to force her to come in?

Posted 10/4/22 9:29 AM
 

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Re: Work question

Posted by MrsDrMatt

I guess you have to ask yourself what do you hope to accomplish? Do you want to force her to come in?



I dont want to force her to come in but if she is able to stay home for childcare - I think we all should be.

The EVP is staying home tomorrow for childcare and affordability isnt an issue for them - so my boss reached out and said I can do whatever, that its wrong to say people have to come in if he isnt. She thinks she will come in as she asked the question and the EVPs boss said yes, we are expected to come in but it will be annoying for her to line up childcare.

Posted 10/4/22 10:05 AM
 

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Re: Work question

Posted by ali120206

Posted by MrsDrMatt

I guess you have to ask yourself what do you hope to accomplish? Do you want to force her to come in?



I dont want to force her to come in but if she is able to stay home for childcare - I think we all should be.

The EVP is staying home tomorrow for childcare and affordability isnt an issue for them - so my boss reached out and said I can do whatever, that its wrong to say people have to come in if he isnt. She thinks she will come in as she asked the question and the EVPs boss said yes, we are expected to come in but it will be annoying for her to line up childcare.



It is annoying for everyone but we all do what we have to do. We are all very lucky we can work from home now as I use to be up at 5:15am every morning getting 2 kids ready and myself for work and then have to take all my days for my kids. No working from home. You had to figure out where your kid was going. Besides my days they would go to winter camp, spring camp, summer camp, after care, daycare. Unless you had hired help otherwise, these were the choices.

Posted 10/4/22 10:19 AM
 

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Work question

The rules should be the same for everyone. She should not get special treatment because she has children. Is her husband getting special treatment at work? Does he get to stay home when the kids are off?

I would 100% have a talk with your boss about the situation. I would frame it as wanting to clarify the company policy on flexible work arrangements and make sure you are on the same page in terms of the expectation for the entire team to be in person. That you understand it’s 2 days per week and want to make sure you are understanding correctly. I’d imagine the boss would get the hint.

Posted 10/4/22 11:25 AM
 

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Re: Work question

Posted by LuckyStar

The rules should be the same for everyone. She should not get special treatment because she has children. Is her husband getting special treatment at work? Does he get to stay home when the kids are off?

I would 100% have a talk with your boss about the situation. I would frame it as wanting to clarify the company policy on flexible work arrangements and make sure you are on the same page in terms of the expectation for the entire team to be in person. That you understand it’s 2 days per week and want to make sure you are understanding correctly. I’d imagine the boss would get the hint.



I think you have the right idea but I might frame it a little differently. Like go to the boss and ask for clarification but point out how it seems to be a successful arrangement to work from home more often than the current policy based on so and so's behavior and could the policy potentially be updated. Maybe instead of trying to force her back to work, it can be an opportunity to get more flexibility for yourself....

Posted 10/4/22 12:32 PM
 

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Re: Work question

You may want to try and negotiate full time work from home for yourself. Maybe she has spoken to the manager already. Otherwise I would stay out of it. The complaining is going to backfire, and life is never fair. I’m really surprised you are getting into her business, like I said try and negotiate for yourself . It’s interesting that you have excused as to why you didn’t go in during the summer but she’s not allowed to have her reasons. Very interesting.

Message edited 10/4/2022 1:53:25 PM.

Posted 10/4/22 1:47 PM
 

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Re: Work question

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If it isn’t affecting you and putting more work on you, then I would not really be annoyed. You don’t know what her situation is.



I do - she says she cant afford childcare. I guess the point is its frustrating that I have to set up childcare to go to work some days - sometimes at a cost I would rather allocate to something else. Maybe because I am a little older than her and have a different work ethic - I just dont feel that unaffordable childcare should be an excuse for a job you started full time in the office.



Well, maybe there is some reason she can’t afford childcare.

I get it. I completely get why you would be annoyed. I think I am just a bit more understanding because I was granted time off work this week due to a special situation. So maybe there is something else going on behind the scenes that you don’t know about.

A lot of people are also realizing that the way the work situation is set up is like slave labor nowadays. Prices are going up, but wages are not. While I understand your work ethic, I don’t think that is accepted by many people now. We are all disposable and loyalty to a job doesn’t exist anymore.



Agree ! This younger person is putting her foot down, good for her !!! OP needs to do the same

Posted 10/4/22 1:55 PM
 

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Re: Work question

Posted by Bebelove

You may want to try and negotiate full time work from home for yourself. Maybe she has spoken to the manager already. Otherwise I would stay out of it. The complaining is going to backfire, and life is never fair. I’m really surprised you are getting into her business, like I said try and negotiate for yourself . It’s interesting that you have excused as to why you didn’t go in during the summer but she’s not allowed to have her reasons. Very interesting.



I had a broken wrist so I was unable to physically get to work (and working was a huge challenge in itself, this was the arrangement we made instead of going on disability so they wouldn't have to find someone to learn my work and do it) and my dad passed away so I was on bereavement leave - those were cleared with my manager and other senior staff. I wouldn't fault anyone for not coming in if they couldn't drive or lost a close member of their family - those are valid reasons. I did still make it in 2 Wednesdays. They weren't mandatory yet at that point either, just highly suggested. They became mandatory after Labor Day.

Posted 10/4/22 2:14 PM
 

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Re: Work question

Posted by Bebelove

Posted by klingklang77

Posted by ali120206

Posted by klingklang77

If it isn’t affecting you and putting more work on you, then I would not really be annoyed. You don’t know what her situation is.



I do - she says she cant afford childcare. I guess the point is its frustrating that I have to set up childcare to go to work some days - sometimes at a cost I would rather allocate to something else. Maybe because I am a little older than her and have a different work ethic - I just dont feel that unaffordable childcare should be an excuse for a job you started full time in the office.



Well, maybe there is some reason she can’t afford childcare.

I get it. I completely get why you would be annoyed. I think I am just a bit more understanding because I was granted time off work this week due to a special situation. So maybe there is something else going on behind the scenes that you don’t know about.

A lot of people are also realizing that the way the work situation is set up is like slave labor nowadays. Prices are going up, but wages are not. While I understand your work ethic, I don’t think that is accepted by many people now. We are all disposable and loyalty to a job doesn’t exist anymore.



Agree ! This younger person is putting her foot down, good for her !!! OP needs to do the same




That is why places can't get good help anymore. In the last few months we have had 2 people who just can't come in for this reason or other. ALWAYS late, excuse after excuse.
Maybe things do need to change regarding work places but some things should stay the same like respect and accountability.

Posted 10/4/22 2:49 PM
 

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Re: Work question

Posted by ali120206

Posted by Bebelove

You may want to try and negotiate full time work from home for yourself. Maybe she has spoken to the manager already. Otherwise I would stay out of it. The complaining is going to backfire, and life is never fair. I’m really surprised you are getting into her business, like I said try and negotiate for yourself . It’s interesting that you have excused as to why you didn’t go in during the summer but she’s not allowed to have her reasons. Very interesting.



I had a broken wrist so I was unable to physically get to work (and working was a huge challenge in itself, this was the arrangement we made instead of going on disability so they wouldn't have to find someone to learn my work and do it) and my dad passed away so I was on bereavement leave - those were cleared with my manager and other senior staff. I wouldn't fault anyone for not coming in if they couldn't drive or lost a close member of their family - those are valid reasons. I did still make it in 2 Wednesdays. They weren't mandatory yet at that point either, just highly suggested. They became mandatory after Labor Day.




As you can see, you have different work ethics than many others now, especially the younger generations or ones that believe they should just do what they want when they want.

Posted 10/4/22 2:51 PM
 

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Re: Work question

Posted by ali120206

Posted by Bebelove

You may want to try and negotiate full time work from home for yourself. Maybe she has spoken to the manager already. Otherwise I would stay out of it. The complaining is going to backfire, and life is never fair. I’m really surprised you are getting into her business, like I said try and negotiate for yourself . It’s interesting that you have excused as to why you didn’t go in during the summer but she’s not allowed to have her reasons. Very interesting.



I had a broken wrist so I was unable to physically get to work (and working was a huge challenge in itself, this was the arrangement we made instead of going on disability so they wouldn't have to find someone to learn my work and do it) and my dad passed away so I was on bereavement leave - those were cleared with my manager and other senior staff. I wouldn't fault anyone for not coming in if they couldn't drive or lost a close member of their family - those are valid reasons. I did still make it in 2 Wednesdays. They weren't mandatory yet at that point either, just highly suggested. They became mandatory after Labor Day.




I understand what you are saying but just to play devils advocate, a broken wrist does not prevent you from getting to work. It might make it more difficult or expensive but there is Uber and public transportation. Just as her having to find childcare is an additional expense, but one that you are suggesting is not a good enough excuse. I am not trying to be an a** hole and I get we all had to arrange for childcare before the pandemic because WFH was not even an option but that was then and this is now.... If you are resenting the situation I would not resent her but resent the fact that your bosses allow her to do it but don't allow you to do it, and take it up with them.

Posted 10/4/22 3:09 PM
 

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Work question

My job is notorious for this and it makes me crazy. Employees are not treated equally, but the pay/commute for what my responsibilities are makes me keep my mouth shut.

Posted 10/5/22 8:06 AM
 

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Re: Work question

It should be even between all the employees in order to make it work and be fair.

Posted 10/5/22 9:28 AM
 
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