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NS1976
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Re: Catholics - What do you disagree with the church about?
SO many to list but priest not being allowed to get married. I think this is a HUGE problem.
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QuoteTheRaven424
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Re: Catholics - What do you disagree with the church about?
and as for the gay marriage part - and this will hopefully spark some healthy debate
I am NOT against gays being formally recognized as a union.
I am NOT against them having the same rights and priveleges as heterosexual unions.
I AM against calling it a "marriage". IMO - I believe in "separate but equal" here. Call a man and a woman union a "marriage". Call a gay union just that - a civil union, a domestic partnership - whatever. It's the same thing in principle, but denotes the difference.
JMHO
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JenniferEver
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Re: Catholics - What do you disagree with the church about?
Posted by QuoteTheRaven424
and as for the gay marriage part - and this will hopefully spark some healthy debate
I am NOT against gays being formally recognized as a union.
I am NOT against them having the same rights and priveleges as heterosexual unions.
I AM against calling it a "marriage". IMO - I believe in "separate but equal" here. Call a man and a woman union a "marriage". Call a gay union just that - a civil union, a domestic partnership - whatever. It's the same thing in principle, but denotes the difference.
JMHO
Separate but equal bothers me.
What i think is that ONLY religious institutions should grant marriages. And the government grants civil unions. That would be true separation b/w church and state. it can still be combined in one ceremony, like at a catholic wedding for example, but LEGALLY it's a civil union no matter who you are..the distinction of "marriage" is given by the religious organization.
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| Posted 1/16/08 11:47 AM |
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kahlua716
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Re: Catholics - What do you disagree with the church about?
Posted by Hi-Fi55
Abortion
Gay Marriage
Birth Control
Priests not being able to get married
ITA- add on stem cell research too
I still go to mass most sundays though.
ETA: I don't like turning the other cheek to the molestation allegations and wasn't aware of them being against IVF!!!
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Dani922
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Re: Catholics - What do you disagree with the church about?
-gay marriage & homosexuality in general
-birth control (this one truely boggles my mind...)
-sex
-infertility treatments
-Priests should be able to marry
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JP826
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Re: Catholics - What do you disagree with the church about?
Abortion
Gay Marriage
Birth Control
PreMarital Sex
Priests not being able to get married
Tithing
Confession
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Brittny817
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Re: Catholics - What do you disagree with the church about?
Posted by JenniferEver
Posted by Brittny817
Divorce (lets get with the times people)
I don't disagree with the Catholic Church's stance on divorce and I don't think they should :"get with the times" on this one, because the times are pretty bad. I think the times need to get with the church and people need to enter into marriage under the right circumstances and do all they can to keep their marriages together. When I get married, it's for life. 
What i do disagree with is a case like my mom. My dad left her. She did NOT want the divorce. She would do anything to keep her marriage together, but it's not up to her. I hate the fact that he can go and get remarried to his teenage bimbo in her fake church and my mom will still be married to this man in the eyes of the catholic church, so she will never be able to remarry. I don't think that's fair. my mom says she has no interest in remarrying, but she is very very into the church and I think if they had a different view she would too. Why is the choice to get an anullment and completely invalidate her 34 year marriage, or to stay alone? That makes me VERY angry and upset. If he's already moved on, she should be free from him. not nullified, but free for the future.
So you would like to church to be forgiving of your parents (mom) situation but not others? I'm a little confused by your statement. My point of saying "get with the times" was in reference to allowing Catholics to get re-married in their house of worship. I realize I may have been a little vague in my OP. It's funny how the church preaches forgiveness but I suppose it's valid only when it's in their favor.
I am very sorry for your mom. It truley is heartbreaking. I have a friend who's father left her mom after 30 years of marriage for a prostitue-seriously! She did get remarried and had to marry in a civil ceremony bc the church would not grant her an anulment (sp?). Awful!
I also want to point out it is very easy to say when you get married it's for life. Don't most people go into a marriage with that philosophy? Yet, the divorce rate is higher than 50%. Don't be to quick to make that statement, you never know what the future holds. I'm sure your marriage is wonderful and I wish you a lifetime of happiness. I just think it's sort of an unfair statement to make given the context is was made in.
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stayandjohn
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Re: Catholics - What do you disagree with the church about?
Posted by QuoteTheRaven424
and as for the gay marriage part - and this will hopefully spark some healthy debate
I am NOT against gays being formally recognized as a union.
I am NOT against them having the same rights and priveleges as heterosexual unions.
I AM against calling it a "marriage". IMO - I believe in "separate but equal" here. Call a man and a woman union a "marriage". Call a gay union just that - a civil union, a domestic partnership - whatever. It's the same thing in principle, but denotes the difference.
JMHO
I agree
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Re: Catholics - What do you disagree with the church about?
Posted by Brittny817
My point of saying "get with the times" was in reference to allowing Catholics to get re-married in their house of worship.
I believe someone mentioned in another post that for the right amount of money...anything goes.
My dad annulled a 19 year marriage and then went on to marry my stepmother in a catholic church. He simply had to write a "report" and sign a check.
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MrsPJB2007
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Re: Catholics - What do you disagree with the church about?
--gay marriage
--birth control
--not allowing priests to be married--or having women as priests
--the blatant and disgusting cover ups involving many priests and child molestation
their stance on abortion--while i might be pro-choice--i do understand the church being anti-abortion....HOWEVER they are against it in ANY circumstance at all. so if someone is a victim of rape or incest.....i think the church should understand these exceptions
oh there are so many.  but this was the first few that popped into my head
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JenniferEver
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Re: Catholics - What do you disagree with the church about?
Posted by Brittny817
Posted by JenniferEver
Posted by Brittny817
Divorce (lets get with the times people)
I don't disagree with the Catholic Church's stance on divorce and I don't think they should :"get with the times" on this one, because the times are pretty bad. I think the times need to get with the church and people need to enter into marriage under the right circumstances and do all they can to keep their marriages together. When I get married, it's for life.
What i do disagree with is a case like my mom. My dad left her. She did NOT want the divorce. She would do anything to keep her marriage together, but it's not up to her. I hate the fact that he can go and get remarried to his teenage bimbo in her fake church and my mom will still be married to this man in the eyes of the catholic church, so she will never be able to remarry. I don't think that's fair. my mom says she has no interest in remarrying, but she is very very into the church and I think if they had a different view she would too. Why is the choice to get an anullment and completely invalidate her 34 year marriage, or to stay alone? That makes me VERY angry and upset. If he's already moved on, she should be free from him. not nullified, but free for the future.
So you would like to church to be forgiving of your parents (mom) situation but not others? I'm a little confused by your statement. My point of saying "get with the times" was in reference to allowing Catholics to get re-married in their house of worship. I realize I may have been a little vague in my OP. It's funny how the church preaches forgiveness but I suppose it's valid only when it's in their favor.
I am very sorry for your mom. It truley is heartbreaking. I have a friend who's father left her mom after 30 years of marriage for a prostitue-seriously! She did get remarried and had to marry in a civil ceremony bc the church would not grant her an anulment (sp?). Awful!
I also want to point out it is very easy to say when you get married it's for life. Don't most people go into a marriage with that philosophy? Yet, the divorce rate is higher than 50%. Don't be to quick to make that statement, you never know what the future holds. I'm sure your marriage is wonderful and I wish you a lifetime of happiness. I just think it's sort of an unfair statement to make given the context is was made in.
Well your OP was vague so I didn't know exactly what context you meant it in.
What I meant was I don't think the church should all of a sudden say divorces are ok and grant divorces left and right. I thought you were saying that since 50% of people get divorced the church should just go with it and allow it.
Also my mom's case is different in my eyes because she' is the unwilling victim of divorce. If someone CHOOSES a divorce they should be help accountable for it, but if they are truly innocent in it and have not had any choice, then they should not he held accountable.
Whether or not people who choose divorce should be punished in one way or another is another issue. But if people who are divorced have different standards, which they do..if you are divorced and remarry you are excommunicated! This should NOT be the case for people who are thurst into a divorce they had no part in. My mom is very much removed from today's culture where divorce is a aprt of life we all accept. To her marriage is for life. I think she could ahve had the worst marriage in the world and she would have stayed in it forever.
ANyway, what I meant was that I don't think the church should turn around and start saying divorces are ok. I wish there were a way to keep their stand on being against divorce, but still allow people who are divorced to remain in good standing with the church and even have another church sanctioned wedding under certain circumstances.
I really hate anullment because it is possible for a marriage to end, but it still existed. I don't think it would be fair to expect my mom to to say her marriage enver existed. My dad seeking and anullment is her greatest fear, especially since many people believe that one can be bought.
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BlueDiamonds
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Re: Catholics - What do you disagree with the church about?
Just to clarify, the church is not against all birth control. they approve of natural birth control (or family planning). i'm assuming that most people are not happy about their stance on artificial birth control. just wanted to throw that out there to clarify. i know it gets a bad rap but natural family planning (if followed correctly) is VERY effective birth control.
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Ali1
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Re: Catholics - What do you disagree with the church about?
I am catholic, was raised catholic and went to Catholic Sunday School. However I do not go to chruch on a regular basis, but I consider myself to be religious.
The Catholic Church is very flawed and unless they start moving their views more into modern society, they are going to continue to alienate followers. When my children are older I will also have them attend church daily and go to Sunday school, but it will be up to them to decide on how they want to practice it.
I don't know how the Catholic Church can sit there and tell me all these things are wrong ... gay marriage, artificial brith control, etc. and yet it turned the other cheek when all these molestation charges started popping up in the 60-90s. How can anyone, much less a religious institution think it would be better to cover this up and continue to let the priests stay and preach about all the evil in the world? Really turned me off to them.
I could go on and on about this. In the end I believe that how one lives their life is how best to serve your god.
I also tell all Catholics to read the book "Joshua". It is a excellent book for anyone who considers themselves Catholic and believe in Jesus Christ, but does not agree with the Catholic Church.
Finally, I just wanted to add on one more thing that no one has mentioned here that i disagree with the Catholic Church....have 2 collectioins during church. People will give what they can. Just because you are sending around the gift basekts a second time does not make anyone give more unless they feel guilted into it.
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CunningOne
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Re: Catholics - What do you disagree with the church about?
birth control.
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JenniferEver
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Re: Catholics - What do you disagree with the church about?
Posted by cpanyc
Posted by Ali1
I don't know how the Catholic Church can sit there and tell me all these things are wrong ... gay marriage, artificial brith control, etc. and yet it turned the other cheek when all these molestation charges started popping up in the 60-90s.
Finally, I just wanted to add on one more thing that no one has mentioned here that i disagree with the Catholic Church....have 2 collectioins during church. People will give what they can. Just because you are sending around the gift basekts a second time does not make anyone give more unless they feel guilted into it.
All of these "things" are based on the teachings of Jesus, founder of the religion. The molestation scandal is based on the actions of human beings-who are flawed. For many it is very easy to make that distinction.
Second collections are for external charities, separate from your regular weekly tithe. Supporting your church and supporting separate worthy (for you to decide) charities are two different things.
I agree. The molestation scandals, while terrible and poor reflection and the church and its leadership skills and holiness, are not a relfection the teachings.
I also agree about the 2nd colelction. My envelopes say what it is for. give or don't give. It's not mandatory!
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Faithx2
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Re: Catholics - What do you disagree with the church about?
Gay Marriage
Birth Control
Priests not being able to get married
Stem cell research
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shiv
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Re: Catholics - What do you disagree with the church about?
thinking about it, the only things i don't agree with are:
brith control
divorce for certain circumstances
I believe in gay marriage, but not within the catholic church
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shiv
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Re: Catholics - What do you disagree with the church about?
Posted by Ali1
Finally, I just wanted to add on one more thing that no one has mentioned here that i disagree with the Catholic Church....have 2 collectioins during church. People will give what they can. Just because you are sending around the gift basekts a second time does not make anyone give more unless they feel guilted into it.
The 2 collections are for different purposes. Most other religions charge their members a few to attend service, so the church is actually one of the few that only asks for you to give what you can give
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| Posted 1/16/08 1:24 PM |
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Re: Catholics - What do you disagree with the church about?
Posted by JenniferEver
Posted by cpanyc
Posted by Ali1
I don't know how the Catholic Church can sit there and tell me all these things are wrong ... gay marriage, artificial brith control, etc. and yet it turned the other cheek when all these molestation charges started popping up in the 60-90s.
Finally, I just wanted to add on one more thing that no one has mentioned here that i disagree with the Catholic Church....have 2 collectioins during church. People will give what they can. Just because you are sending around the gift basekts a second time does not make anyone give more unless they feel guilted into it.
All of these "things" are based on the teachings of Jesus, founder of the religion. The molestation scandal is based on the actions of human beings-who are flawed. For many it is very easy to make that distinction.
Second collections are for external charities, separate from your regular weekly tithe. Supporting your church and supporting separate worthy (for you to decide) charities are two different things.
I agree. The molestation scandals, while terrible and poor reflection and the church and its leadership skills and holiness, are not a relfection the teachings.
I also agree about the 2nd colelction. My envelopes say what it is for. give or don't give. It's not mandatory!
Is it not a reflection on the people who turned a blind eye to the scandals while devote their lives to spreading the word? How can they speak of the teachings of Jesus while ignoring fundamentals of the words of Jesus (protecting children)?
As a whole the church chose to ignore what was (and is still) happening.
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Re: Catholics - What do you disagree with the church about?
SO many things, but the biggies are abortion, gay marriage, birth control and stem cell research.
Also, I have serious issues with the church's treatment of women. I don't feel that there is a place for me in a church that relegates women to lesser supporting roles as if we're inferior.
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lucyloo
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Re: Catholics - What do you disagree with the church about?
abortion
gay marriage
woman not being able to be priests
priests not being able to be married
birth control
the Catholicism is the only way attitude
lack of action on all the molester priests.
have to be married in a church
the mandatory "donation" when I was married there
The list goes on. I was raised Catholic, went to Catholic school for 8 years. I was baptized, confirmed and married in a Catholic church. Turns out the priest that married me was arrested for child pornography charges. Nice right?
I have some very big problems with the Catholic church, to the point that I've questioned everything they have ever taught me. I go to church and I am angry. I've actually looked into other religions because I do not want to be Catholic.
This is a big sore spot for my husband. He has recently started going to church and wants me to go with him. I just can't. I did for his father's funeral and all of the dedicated masses but even then it was hard. He told me when he went to church last week they were handing out prayer cards for unborn fetuses that were going to be aborted. 
I've promised my husband that we will raise our child Catholic but he is going to have to do most of it because I can't.
How can I support a church that tells me that there is something wrong with my best friend because he is gay. Him and his partner are the most well adjusted couple I know and the church shuns them. BAHHHHH
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SweetTooth
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Re: Catholics - What do you disagree with the church about?
Posted by JenniferEver
Posted by QuoteTheRaven424
and as for the gay marriage part - and this will hopefully spark some healthy debate
I am NOT against gays being formally recognized as a union.
I am NOT against them having the same rights and priveleges as heterosexual unions.
I AM against calling it a "marriage". IMO - I believe in "separate but equal" here. Call a man and a woman union a "marriage". Call a gay union just that - a civil union, a domestic partnership - whatever. It's the same thing in principle, but denotes the difference.
JMHO
Separate but equal bothers me.
What i think is that ONLY religious institutions should grant marriages. And the government grants civil unions. That would be true separation b/w church and state. it can still be combined in one ceremony, like at a catholic wedding for example, but LEGALLY it's a civil union no matter who you are..the distinction of "marriage" is given by the religious organization.
I am not Catholic, but was reading this thread out of curiousity, and had to respond.
So what you are saying is that if a couple does not have a wedding ceremony in a religious institution, then that should not be considered marriage but a civil union? Then a couple married by a judge in a courthouse or an interfaith minister in a garden would not be married, but have a civil union?
I don't really understand why semantics have to play a part. If all couples, of whatever sexual orientation they are, join together and all recieve the same rights, then what does it matter if its called a marriage or a civil union?
Married is just a word. To follow the word of Shakespeare, if it was called by another name would it really be different?
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shiv
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Re: Catholics - What do you disagree with the church about?
i'm really shocked by how many catholics are against the church's view on abortion.
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lucyloo
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Re: Catholics - What do you disagree with the church about?
Posted by BlueDiamonds
Just to clarify, the church is not against all birth control. they approve of natural birth control (or family planning). i'm assuming that most people are not happy about their stance on artificial birth control. just wanted to throw that out there to clarify. i know it gets a bad rap but natural family planning (if followed correctly) is VERY effective birth control.
Not really. That's how I came to be. 
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