Re: Can people stop using liberal like it's a derogatory term?

I always think that as well.

Re: Can people stop using liberal like it's a derogatory term?

Re: Can people stop using liberal like it's a derogatory term?

Posted by PhyllisNJoe

Posted by oneday

I think it's ridiculous - even the word Progressive. Isn't progress a good thing? I think it is so I will wear my label of Liberal and Progressive with pride. Imagine if we had always hated progress? No cars, no running water, No smartphone!!!

Posted by PhyllisNJoe
And The rioting in some states? All in the name of democracy is disgusting. Burning the American flag? When I think of those who lost their lives defending it or gave their youth to defending it ... it makes me angry.

And to this, yes there is some rioting, but most are peaceful protests - which is our right.
And while I do not condone burning the flag - shouldn't we be more concerned about the people and the rights it represents than the actual piece of fabric?
It seems like a lot of the protests are because people don't feel respected - and that their rights aren't being respected (i.e. our president elect has stated he would try to overturn Roe vs Wade. And though now he's backpedaling, during the campaign he said he would do away with marriage equality - and his vice president elect has stated he wants to overturn it - and "fix" gay people by converting them. These among other things.)
The flag is a symbol we should respect - but respecting people and what the flag represents is more important - to me anyway.

Just because you have the right to do something, doesn't always make it the right thing to do.
Peaceful protests to help change something for the Better .. I respect. These protests, I do not. But I do respect those who are doing it peacefully. I didn't mention the peaceful protests because they evoke nothing in me. Rioting? That evokes anger. Flag burning (Everyone has a different feeling when they look at the flag. To some, it's not just a piece of fabric) evokes sadness and anger.

I have zero respect for those who burn the flag. If that makes me some kind of word with the word phobe at the end of it, I'll own it.

Re: Can people stop using liberal like it's a derogatory term?

Re: Can people stop using liberal like it's a derogatory term?

Posted by PhyllisNJoe

Posted by JennP

Posted by Hofstra26

Posted by PhyllisNJoe

I'm going to be honest here and hope I don't regret it

I never saw the word liberal as a bad thing until now. It has now been attached to the constant battle, name calling of anyone who thinks differently then they do (non liberal).

And The rioting in some states? All in the name of democracy is disgusting. Burning the American flag? When I think of those who lost their lives defending it or gave their youth to defending it ... it makes me angry.

All of these things have now , in my mind, changed the way I see the word liberal. It's become a bad word. For me.

But that's like me assuming that ALL Republicans are backwards and ignorant (based on their words and actions) when the reality is, some might very well be, but the majority are not. Same with liberals. You cannot assume, based on the actions or thoughts of a few, that ALL liberals are the same and should now be grouped together. To say "liberal" is now a "bad word" seems a little narrow minded to me. Sorry.

This way of thinking makes me sad. Liberals, when it comes to social issues, always turn out to be on the right side of history.

It is NEVER right to paint a whole group with the same brush.

You're right. It's never right to do that but I can't help that the word liberal has now changed for me.

Re: Can people stop using liberal like it's a derogatory term?

Posted by oneday

Posted by PhyllisNJoe

Posted by oneday

I think it's ridiculous - even the word Progressive. Isn't progress a good thing? I think it is so I will wear my label of Liberal and Progressive with pride. Imagine if we had always hated progress? No cars, no running water, No smartphone!!!

Posted by PhyllisNJoe
And The rioting in some states? All in the name of democracy is disgusting. Burning the American flag? When I think of those who lost their lives defending it or gave their youth to defending it ... it makes me angry.

And to this, yes there is some rioting, but most are peaceful protests - which is our right.
And while I do not condone burning the flag - shouldn't we be more concerned about the people and the rights it represents than the actual piece of fabric?
It seems like a lot of the protests are because people don't feel respected - and that their rights aren't being respected (i.e. our president elect has stated he would try to overturn Roe vs Wade. And though now he's backpedaling, during the campaign he said he would do away with marriage equality - and his vice president elect has stated he wants to overturn it - and "fix" gay people by converting them. These among other things.)
The flag is a symbol we should respect - but respecting people and what the flag represents is more important - to me anyway.

Just because you have the right to do something, doesn't always make it the right thing to do.
Peaceful protests to help change something for the Better .. I respect. These protests, I do not. But I do respect those who are doing it peacefully. I didn't mention the peaceful protests because they evoke nothing in me. Rioting? That evokes anger. Flag burning (Everyone has a different feeling when they look at the flag. To some, it's not just a piece of fabric) evokes sadness and anger.

I have zero respect for those who burn the flag. If that makes me some kind of word with the word phobe at the end of it, I'll own it.

I understand and I know many people feel the same. But in the end, it represents something - the people, the rights and the freedoms we have. So if those things aren't being respected, neither is the flag. JMO
And you choose to mention the riots, but that is only a small portion. May I ask why you respect protests but not these? Do you not see why people are concerned about their rights? (that's not meant at all snarky)

Re: Can people stop using liberal like it's a derogatory term?

Re: Can people stop using liberal like it's a derogatory term?

Posted by oneday

I think it's ridiculous - even the word Progressive. Isn't progress a good thing? I think it is so I will wear my label of Liberal and Progressive with pride. Imagine if we had always hated progress? No cars, no running water, No smartphone!!!

Posted by PhyllisNJoe
And The rioting in some states? All in the name of democracy is disgusting. Burning the American flag? When I think of those who lost their lives defending it or gave their youth to defending it ... it makes me angry.

And to this, yes there is some rioting, but most are peaceful protests - which is our right.
And while I do not condone burning the flag - shouldn't we be more concerned about the people and the rights it represents than the actual piece of fabric?
It seems like a lot of the protests are because people don't feel respected - and that their rights aren't being respected (i.e. our president elect has stated he would try to overturn Roe vs Wade. And though now he's backpedaling, during the campaign he said he would do away with marriage equality - and his vice president elect has stated he wants to overturn it - and "fix" gay people by converting them. These among other things.)
The flag is a symbol we should respect - but respecting people and what the flag represents is more important - to me anyway.

Re: Can people stop using liberal like it's a derogatory term?

Re: Can people stop using liberal like it's a derogatory term?

Posted by GoldenRod

Posted by ElizaRags35

I can't recall ever seeing a comment that goes something like: "you conservatives/republicans are what's wrong with America" but i sure as shit see the word liberal used like that.

You don't read many comments on political stories, then....

The amount of vitriol spewed from both sides is horrendous. I try and read sites that lean in both directions, and the pure hatred being typed is disgusting, from both sides.

Re: Can people stop using liberal like it's a derogatory term?

I think we need to stop using labels as derogatory terms in general.

I am liberal, and I will say that I hear "liberal" and "conservative" used as derogatory terms equally. People often make statements such as "those conservative Christians" and "those entitled liberals." Neither of those terms is useful.

The older I grow, the less useful I find labels in general because they need to such ridiculous generalizations. I don't even really like saying "I am...[insert any label]" because no matter what it is, it comes with an absurd set of generalizations about me.

Message edited 11/16/2016 11:50:05 AM.

Re: Can people stop using liberal like it's a derogatory term?

Posted by PhyllisNJoe

Posted by oneday

I think it's ridiculous - even the word Progressive. Isn't progress a good thing? I think it is so I will wear my label of Liberal and Progressive with pride. Imagine if we had always hated progress? No cars, no running water, No smartphone!!!

Posted by PhyllisNJoe
And The rioting in some states? All in the name of democracy is disgusting. Burning the American flag? When I think of those who lost their lives defending it or gave their youth to defending it ... it makes me angry.

And to this, yes there is some rioting, but most are peaceful protests - which is our right.
And while I do not condone burning the flag - shouldn't we be more concerned about the people and the rights it represents than the actual piece of fabric?
It seems like a lot of the protests are because people don't feel respected - and that their rights aren't being respected (i.e. our president elect has stated he would try to overturn Roe vs Wade. And though now he's backpedaling, during the campaign he said he would do away with marriage equality - and his vice president elect has stated he wants to overturn it - and "fix" gay people by converting them. These among other things.)
The flag is a symbol we should respect - but respecting people and what the flag represents is more important - to me anyway.

Just because you have the right to do something, doesn't always make it the right thing to do.
Peaceful protests to help change something for the Better .. I respect. These protests, I do not. But I do respect those who are doing it peacefully. I didn't mention the peaceful protests because they evoke nothing in me. Rioting? That evokes anger. Flag burning (Everyone has a different feeling when they look at the flag. To some, it's not just a piece of fabric) evokes sadness and anger.

I have zero respect for those who burn the flag. If that makes me some kind of word with the word phobe at the end of it, I'll own it.

Re: Can people stop using liberal like it's a derogatory term?

Posted by PhyllisNJoe

Posted by oneday

Posted by PhyllisNJoe

Posted by oneday

I think it's ridiculous - even the word Progressive. Isn't progress a good thing? I think it is so I will wear my label of Liberal and Progressive with pride. Imagine if we had always hated progress? No cars, no running water, No smartphone!!!

Posted by PhyllisNJoe
And The rioting in some states? All in the name of democracy is disgusting. Burning the American flag? When I think of those who lost their lives defending it or gave their youth to defending it ... it makes me angry.

And to this, yes there is some rioting, but most are peaceful protests - which is our right.
And while I do not condone burning the flag - shouldn't we be more concerned about the people and the rights it represents than the actual piece of fabric?
It seems like a lot of the protests are because people don't feel respected - and that their rights aren't being respected (i.e. our president elect has stated he would try to overturn Roe vs Wade. And though now he's backpedaling, during the campaign he said he would do away with marriage equality - and his vice president elect has stated he wants to overturn it - and "fix" gay people by converting them. These among other things.)
The flag is a symbol we should respect - but respecting people and what the flag represents is more important - to me anyway.

Just because you have the right to do something, doesn't always make it the right thing to do.
Peaceful protests to help change something for the Better .. I respect. These protests, I do not. But I do respect those who are doing it peacefully. I didn't mention the peaceful protests because they evoke nothing in me. Rioting? That evokes anger. Flag burning (Everyone has a different feeling when they look at the flag. To some, it's not just a piece of fabric) evokes sadness and anger.

I have zero respect for those who burn the flag. If that makes me some kind of word with the word phobe at the end of it, I'll own it.

I understand and I know many people feel the same. But in the end, it represents something - the people, the rights and the freedoms we have. So if those things aren't being respected, neither is the flag. JMO
And you choose to mention the riots, but that is only a small portion. May I ask why you respect protests but not these? Do you not see why people are concerned about their rights? (that's not meant at all snarky)

I don't respect these protests because they are in response to an outcome people didn't like. Yes, I do understand that people are concerned about their rights but protesting before anything has even occurred - won't change anything because there is nothing to change yet.

If / when the trump admin actually begins the process of changing something that can prove harmful to Americans , THEN i will respect the peaceful protesting. Because you will actually be protesting for a positive change.

I hope that answered your question

Re: Can people stop using liberal like it's a derogatory term?

Posted by MC09

Posted by MrsMick

Posted by PhyllisNJoe

I'm going to be honest here and hope I don't regret it

I never saw the word liberal as a bad thing until now. It has now been attached to the constant battle, name calling of anyone who thinks differently then they do (non liberal).

And The rioting in some states? All in the name of democracy is disgusting. Burning the American flag? When I think of those who lost their lives defending it or gave their youth to defending it ... it makes me angry.

All of these things have now , in my mind, changed the way I see the word liberal. It's become a bad word. For me.

And also the use of Republican or Conservative is considered a dirty word too.

Really? How so? I've always thought the opposition was greater from the right. I think it's also because I've always encountered more conservatives than liberals. In my experience of course.

Re: Can people stop using liberal like it's a derogatory term?

I agree with this thread and I cringe when I see the (made up) word "libtard."

Can people stop using liberal like it's a derogatory term?

Has anyone been hearing people refer to college as "liberal indoctrination centers". I just read that for the second time since yesterday.

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Re: Can people stop using liberal like it's a derogatory term?

Re: Can people stop using liberal like it's a derogatory term?

Re: Can people stop using liberal like it's a derogatory term?